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[Hiraishin]

How is he going to resolve all of this in three more chapters?  This week`s chapter was a major game changer

That's what I thought when they announced the original manga was ending in five weeks.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

The edo hokage thing shouldn't have existed in first place, it was dumb and ridiculous

It could have been neat if done right, despite how crazy it was to make it happen. But instead, they're there to be there and I guess contradict the new generation handle the situation, but whatever. Only Minato got something out of it. Other than that, the series is too forgiving.

[Nostradamus]

How is he going to resolve all of this in three more chapters?  This week`s chapter was a major game changer

Well just like the previous ending. Nothing gets resolved. It just gets ignored.

[Catra]

It could have been neat if done right, despite how crazy it was to make it happen. But instead, they're there to be there and I guess contradict the new generation handle the situation, but whatever. Only Minato got something out of it. Other than that, the series is too forgiving.

orochimaru was literally a plot device to boot.

 

and people say minato was useless? pfft. he and tobs were the only ones that did anything. hashirama was pretty much madara's battery and hiruzen.......um.....nvm he didn't get squat.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Is Kishi trying to be M Night Shayamalan? 

[soraandven]

the ss fandom is salty as ever even lurking on this site to get less angry its truly pathetic sasusku is one of the worst pairings in anime history and god only knows why some fans even liked it

[AHK]

It could have been neat if done right, despite how crazy it was to make it happen. But instead, they're there to be there and I guess contradict the new generation handle the situation, but whatever. Only Minato got something out of it. Other than that, the series is too forgiving.

The biggest problem to me was that Naruto basically got ignored by the hokage. And I'm not talking about the amicable banter between Tobirama and Naruto, that doesn't count. They basically, with the exeption of Minato, ignored a child which they all played a part in orphaning.

Hashirama had nothing to do with the failures of the Uchiha, yet he put his heart on the line for Sasuke, who had betrayed the village. His only relevance to Sasuke was through Madara, yet he had to pander to the some idiot that thought he was more important than he really was.

Hashirama created the jinchuriki system, with the help of Tobirama, a system that enslaved and stole innocent lives for the convenience of a human weapon, yet neither one of them thought to even spare Naruto an apology?

Hiruzen say on his ass and watched Naruto get tormented by the entire village, and did absolutely nothing to help. Even worse, he symbolically further distances Naruto, the son of his successor, by shutting Naruto, at that point a child, away alone in a dusty rundown apartment building, and doesn't even say a damn word to a ruined childhood that he oversaw.

Minato was the only one that suffered any kind of pain, the only one that apologized, and the only one that had an actual conversation with Naruto.

The others were too busy pandering to Sasuke. The only one that should have had anything to do with Sasuke outside of Hashirama's history lesson was Hiruzen, otherwise they all should have been groveling at Naruto's feet.

That was the most disappointing thing about the Edo Hokage thing to me.

[Catra]

The biggest problem to me was that Naruto basically got ignored by the hokage. And I'm not talking about the amicable banter between Tobirama and Naruto, that doesn't count. They basically, with the exeption of Minato, ignored a child which they all played a part in orphaning.

Hashirama had nothing to do with the failures of the Uchiha, yet he put his heart on the line for Sasuke, who had betrayed the village. His only relevance to Sasuke was through Madara, yet he had to pander to the some idiot that thought he was more important than he really was.

Hashirama created the jinchuriki system, with the help of Tobirama, a system that enslaved and stole innocent lives for the convenience of a human weapon, yet neither one of them thought to even spare Naruto an apology?

Hiruzen say on his ass and watched Naruto get tormented by the entire village, and did absolutely nothing to help. Even worse, he symbolically further distances Naruto, the son of his successor, by shutting Naruto, at that point a child, away alone in a dusty rundown apartment building, and doesn't even say a damn word to a ruined childhood that he oversaw.

Minato was the only one that suffered any kind of pain, the only one that apologized, and the only one that had an actual conversation with Naruto.

The others were too busy pandering to Sasuke. The only one that should have had anything to do with Sasuke outside of Hashirama's history lesson was Hiruzen, otherwise they all should have been groveling at Naruto's feet.

That was the most disappointing thing about the Edo Hokage thing to me.

this. ALL of my yes. but now that naruto is considered the worst of scumbags and thinks obito of all trash is "the coolest guy eve" i think it wouldn't lead to anything in fact would do more harm than good thanks to the ending we got.

[Nate River]

I hope Kishi doesn't damage Karin's character. Karin is unpopular but she's a good character with an Uzumaki-trait of self-sacrifice.
In the later original-Naruto-manga chapters, Kishi made parallels with NaruSaku and SasuKarin. Despite how fans interpret his work, he believes SasuKarin is feasible.
 
I didn't think he had the guts to do it but he pulled a DNA test with "Match" btwn Sarada and Karin. Even if it was a red herring (doubtful because he's already gone extremely deep into it) in the meantime it could antagonize a lot of fans and SP, but he still did it. If Kishimoto has the guts to risk his reputation and everything, he has the guts to make SasuKarin canon. Because it's his story.

 
Karin is a disaster of a character. At first chance she runs back to the man who left her for dead and accepts that half-assed apology. Then she has a kid with him and both go AWOL to that kid. I'm with Broken Figurine in that "why" people who should be there aren't, why people like Naruto are clueless, and why Sakura withholds the truth when confronted is a huge issue. If Karin is alive she is part of this. Kishimoto better have a real go explanation for this behavior because everyone is looking like crap at the moment. 
 
 
 

obirin is the only pairing kishi did right aside from minakushi

Only if I ignore his entire adult life and the enormous pass he got when he died. 
 
 
 
 
 

The biggest problem to me was that Naruto basically got ignored by the hokage. And I'm not talking about the amicable banter between Tobirama and Naruto, that doesn't count. They basically, with the exeption of Minato, ignored a child which they all played a part in orphaning.


Hashirama had nothing to do with the failures of the Uchiha, yet he put his heart on the line for Sasuke, who had betrayed the village. His only relevance to Sasuke was through Madara, yet he had to pander to the some idiot that thought he was more important than he really was. 

Hashirama created the jinchuriki system, with the help of Tobirama, a system that enslaved and stole innocent lives for the convenience of a human weapon, yet neither one of them thought to even spare Naruto an apology? 

Hiruzen say on his ass and watched Naruto get tormented by the entire village, and did absolutely nothing to help. Even worse, he symbolically further distances Naruto, the son of his successor, by shutting Naruto, at that point a child, away alone in a dusty rundown apartment building, and doesn't even say a damn word to a ruined childhood that he oversaw. 

Minato was the only one that suffered any kind of pain, the only one that apologized, and the only one that had an actual conversation with Naruto. 

The others were too busy pandering to Sasuke. The only one that should have had anything to do with Sasuke outside of Hashirama's history lesson was Hiruzen, otherwise they all should have been groveling at Naruto's feet. 

That was the most disappointing thing about the Edo Hokage thing to me.

 
The list of people who owe Naruto an apology is far more extensive. It's a gaping hole surrounding his character. Mizuki was the only ninja shown to hate him because of the Kyuubi, so where they hell were the rest of them?

[Catra]

You know the Naruto fandom is messed up when nobody gives a kitten about the fact that Orochimaru is still free and doing his experiments with full approval of the 7th Hokage. And the only thing they care about are the results of some kittening DNA test.

[rikakim94]

What a mess. Somebody put this thing out of it's misery already.

 

 

I'd say Karin's character was ruined a loooong time ago. No offense to any Karin fans, but I haven't had an ounce of respect for the character since she starting drooling over Sasuke the moment he said "sorry". Her behavior in the latter part of the manga made me nearly physically ill to watch. I should have known then just what Kishimoto's views on women were. That was a huge, glaring hint. 

 

As for the NS/SK parallels, they're just red-herrings.   

I think the hint goes wayyyyyy back...

 

Edited by rikakim94, 14 June 2015 - 03:28 AM.

[Ginzy]

How do u guys put the funny cookie monster in your posts? I've been trying to figure it out but I can't (i'm new here)

Edited by Ginzy, 14 June 2015 - 04:02 AM.

[AHK]

Karin is a disaster of a character. At first chance she runs back to the man who left her for dead and accepts that half-assed apology. Then she has a kid with him and both go AWOL to that kid. I'm with Broken Figurine in that "why" people who should be there aren't, why people like Naruto are clueless, and why Sakura withholds the truth when confronted is a huge issue. If Karin is alive she is part of this. Kishimoto better have a real go explanation for this behavior because everyone is looking like crap at the moment.    Only if I ignore his entire adult life and the enormous pass he got when he died.       The list of people who owe Naruto an apology is far more extensive. It's a gaping hole surrounding his character. Mizuki was the only ninja shown to hate him because of the Kyuubi, so where they hell were the rest of them?

  
Literally every single person in Konoha. Every single one. All the adults, all the teachers, Kakashi (especially Kakashi), Jiraiya, Tsunade, every last one of them owed Naruto an apology, k11 included.

this. ALL of my yes. but now that naruto is considered the worst of scumbags and thinks obito of all trash is "the coolest guy eve" i think it wouldn't lead to anything in fact would do more harm than good thanks to the ending we got.

  
I hindsight, maybe, but at the time it was a slap in the face to Naruto and everything he accomplished in spite of the people that came before him.

How do u guys put the funny cookie monster in your posts? I've been trying to figure it out but I can't (i'm new here)

I love the Cookie Monster! You put :"zaru": but just take away the quotations.

[Catra]

plus he's related to like 3 of them plus tsunade. and is best friends with ones grandson for crying out loud. what gives? sasuke should have nothing to do with the hokage but there he was getting his slimy buisness in it all. xp

[Nar123]

don't care. it was fun fanservice.

Those kages were on the belly of the shinigami , a place where the edo couldn't reach but like always Kishi retconned this too

Their appereance just managed to damage the story more for pointless fanservice and plot devices

[Nar123]

It could have been neat if done right, despite how crazy it was to make it happen. But instead, they're there to be there and I guess contradict the new generation handle the situation, but whatever. Only Minato got something out of it. Other than that, the series is too forgiving.

Pls
Minato just got there too
1) Show off his new power
2) be a plot device

The ressurection was a disservice to his character, Kishi didn't use it right

[AHK]

Pls
Minato just got there too
1) Show off his new power
2) be a plot device
The ressurection was a disservice to his character, Kishi didn't use it right

I felt like his conversation with Naruto was needed, though. Against pain they were pressed and there was still mystery behind Minato. Naruto found out Minato was his father, but he didn't find out much beyond that, and any conversation outside of Minato saying that he believed in Naruto would have been lacking in depth. His discussion with Naruto during the war after Naruto had fully understood Minato and what happened, and him seeing Naruto alive and in person, and Naruto forgiving him was necessary and needed.

Edited by AHK, 14 June 2015 - 06:16 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

My gripe is that everyone got closure in a good way. It's too forgiving. Like not everything has to be redeemed. It was nice and realistic for villains/former villains to get a closure in a darkest way, but here, it's like they find a way to go to heaven.

[RedFaction]

My gripe is that everyone got closure in a good way. It's too forgiving. Like not everything has to be redeemed. It was nice and realistic for villains/former villains to get a closure in a darkest way, but here, it's like they find a way to go to heaven.

I don't think it's fair to say that every villain had a redemption story because Madara wasn't redeemed and neither was Kaguya.

 

Sure, a lot of them did end up being "redeemed", but that's just a part of Naruto because that is the kind of effect he had on people.

 

It's just my opinion, but there are other aspects to the story that are far worse than that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think it's fair to say that every villain had a redemption story because Madara wasn't redeemed and neither was Kaguya.
 
Sure, a lot of them did end up being "redeemed", but that's just a part of Naruto because that is the kind of effect he had on people.
 
It's just my opinion, but there are other aspects to the story that are far worse than that.

He got a closure with Hashirama. Kaguya no because she sucks. But that's not the point. The problem is how some of them mess up their old ending and watered down the moment. Itachi should have remain dead for many reasons. It doesn't help that he ended up helping Sasuke.