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[Nate River]

Generally, the idea is that the bible and similar religious books and stories are some of the oldest literature on the planet. Not only do most of them have huge storylines in common, they also are extremely prolific worldwide as a result.  This si why it's so easy for people to draw parallels between the Kagura story and tales from the Christianity/Hindu/Whatever. While they might not be 100% accuracies it's pretty hard to deny the similarities.

Additionally, authors will "borrow" these story lines and ideas because they are already extremely prolific and well-accepted which, in turn, makes your story more accepted/believable because of it's similarities to a story the reader may already know and/or believe in.
 
In my humble opinion, it's lazy, cheesy and a total cop-out.

I don't think it's always that. One of my favorite games )Xenogears) used it to great effect, but then it wasn't a case where the makers simply slapped in to explain a single peace of the plot.

I think Kishimoto's use, though, is of the kind you describe. I'd be less bothered a lazy explanation were superior to a no explanation, but
"no explanation" is the better one. We already knew the background of how Senju and Uchiha came to blows. The Sage's existence helped established that origin, but we didn't need to know where the Sage came from. I don't even that it was that important that he be given a name or any identity.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Yeah, I agree that the Sage didn't need an explanation, I'd have preferred him at just remain some sort of mystical, specter figure, but Kishi was building to this reveal so I accept for what it is and wait see where he goes with it.

 

However, I have a question for Mistraal. In your opinion, how might Kishimoto have done Kaguya's story and her being the Sage's mother in a way that wouldn't have seemed sexist to you?

[Strangelove]

Or Eve. That would make more sense actually. Maybe Kushina is Mary lol Naruto is Jesus after all XD

 

And no. It's not too deep.

 

Lol...uhmmm

 

Older brother is Cain, and the younger brother is...I forgot the name...i don't know I haven't gone to church in 5 years. I am afraid to search for it in google in case I see a creationist website and fry my brain.

Edited by Strangelove, 13 September 2013 - 01:15 AM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Lol...uhmmm

 

Older brother is Cain, and the younger brother is...I forgot the name...i don't know I haven't gone to church in 5 years.

 

It's Abel. Cain and Abel are the sons of Adam and Eve, and then Cain killed his brother in a fit of jealousy because Abel was favored by God.

[Superman333]

 

Lol...uhmmm

 

Older brother is Cain, and the younger brother is...I forgot the name...i don't know I haven't gone to church in 5 years. I am afraid to search for it in google in case I see a creationist website and fry my brain.

Abel . 

[Mistraal]

Yeah, I agree that the Sage didn't need an explanation, I'd have preferred him at just remain some sort of mystical, specter figure, but Kishi was building to this reveal so I accept for what it is and wait see where he goes with it.

 

However, I have a question for Mistraal. In your opinion, how might Kishimoto have done Kaguya's story and her being the Sage's mother in a way that wouldn't have seemed sexist to you?

Expanding on her as a person would be fantastic. It would be much easier to write her off as a mythical figure if Kishi's track record w/female characters wasn't so bad. I would like to see more of why her motivations were they way they were. Perhaps why she was a "Princess". How she found out the fruit gave power. Who told her this? Did she have a prior relationship with the tree/juubi? How did she end all these wars? How did she feel about it? Who did she love enough to have a kid with?

Just things like this that shape a person to actually be a person instead of a vehicle for another character's development or story.

Edited by Mistraal, 13 September 2013 - 02:50 AM.

[narusakuforlife1667]

I hope Naruto comes for Sakura but I don't think he will because he seems like hes going to pass out soon by exhaustion

[Superman333]

I hope Naruto comes for Sakura but I don't think he will because he seems like hes going to pass out soon by exhaustion

I doubt he will pass out , he won't allow himself to his will is too strong for him to pass out before the battle is done but thats my opinion . And my other opinion is that Sakura-Chan is what he might be worried about after him seeing so much Shinobi dead on the floor . He might look for her to make sure she isn't hurt . But again thats my opinion . 

[arian_rad]

I personally think if anything Sakura is going to ask sai to take her to Naruto so that she can heal him. That's just me though.. I can also see naruto refusing the claim since he doesn't want her to get hurt but she doesn't listen to him and helps him anyway.

[coolcatjas]

I doubt he will pass out , he won't allow himself to his will is too strong for him to pass out before the battle is done but thats my opinion . And my other opinion is that Sakura-Chan is what he might be worried about after him seeing so much Shinobi dead on the floor . He might look for her to make sure she isn't hurt . But again thats my opinion . 

yeah I agree, Naruto won't pass out here.
Also the fact that Kishi put a panel of Sakura injured but none of the other k9 seems like a hint to me (showed fodder ninja injured instead, hmm...). Still hoping for that Rin/Sakura parallel.

[Superman333]

yeah I agree, Naruto won't pass out here.
Also the fact that Kishi put a panel of Sakura injured but none of the other k9 seems like a hint to me (showed fodder ninja injured instead, hmm...). Still hoping for that Rin/Sakura parallel.

yeah Naruto will look for Sakura-Chan or the other way around but Naruto and Sakura will be reunited again and I have a feeling we will get the Sakura-Chan/Rin parallel . 

[narusakuforlife1667]

I doubt he will pass out , he won't allow himself to his will is too strong for him to pass out before the battle is done but thats my opinion . And my other opinion is that Sakura-Chan is what he might be worried about after him seeing so much Shinobi dead on the floor . He might look for her to make sure she isn't hurt . But again thats my opinion . 

True naruto is selfish in a good way he wont give up yet and im sure Sakura will get better

[narusakuforlife1667]

yeah I agree, Naruto won't pass out here.
Also the fact that Kishi put a panel of Sakura injured but none of the other k9 seems like a hint to me (showed fodder ninja injured instead, hmm...). Still hoping for that Rin/Sakura parallel.

im waiting for the parallel to its gonna be awesome

[Superman333]

True naruto is selfish in a good way he wont give up yet and im sure Sakura will get better

Naruto never gives up and I must say i admire him for it because I too never give up . 

[narusakuforlife1667]

Naruto never gives up and I must say i admire him for it because I too never give up . 

I bet that's something we all admire from Naruto he will never give up even if the whole world is against him he will never give up want to know why because  hes a uzumaki of course!

[rocci]

I believe the fruit is rinnegan, and the sop born with that.
I think kishi really2 use the matrix reference from the dream world, the prophetie, and the chosen one. That's why I think the next volume sakura will face somekind of dead just like what happen to trinity in the matrix reload. Maybe naruto will face the same dillemma that what will naruto choose the world or the girl.

Just my opinion

[Chatte]

I believe the fruit is rinnegan, and the sop born with that.
I think kishi really2 use the matrix reference from the dream world, the prophetie, and the chosen one. That's why I think the next volume sakura will face somekind of dead just like what happen to trinity in the matrix reload. Maybe naruto will face the same dillemma that what will naruto choose the world or the girl.

Just my opinion

You might actually be right, kitten! I remembered now, Kishi is a fan of Matrix and he said he based some stuff on it... Maan, if that's gonna happen...

[六道仙人]

You might actually be right, kitten! I remembered now, Kishi is a fan of Matrix and he said he based some stuff on it... Maan, if that's gonna happen...

 

I've never seen the matrix saga... could you explain it to me and the comparison with Naruto, please?   (under spoiler if you want)

[PhenixElite]

 

I've never seen the matrix saga... could you explain it to me and the comparison with Naruto, please?   (under spoiler if you want)

Actually Matrix has completly nothing compareable to naruto.

[Chatte]

Actually Matrix has completly nothing compareable to naruto.

There are some certain points that match, you know? The One - The Savior, The infinite Tsukuyomi - The Matrix, The prophecies, the oracle -gamma dai sennin, Trinity - Sakura and yadda yadda.

 

 

 

I've never seen the matrix saga... could you explain it to me and the comparison with Naruto, please?   (under spoiler if you want)

 

Well I can't remember it all given it was yeeears ago since I saw it but basically the ones above. It's not HIGHLY similar to it but I know Kishi said he's a fan.

It goes around all this "Dream world" thing and Neo and the others fight to end the matrix and leave a free world as the other one was a fake one.

But basically the big ones would be the ones I described there.

 

And now I remembered that indeed in the Matrix he had to chose between Trinity and the world. BUt don't worry, the good thing is that he saves both, haha.

Edited by Chatte, 13 September 2013 - 10:44 AM.