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[TouKen4Life3g]

You guys know how in a pairing the couple usually goes through a "rough patch" maybe a huge downer and that makes everyone lose faith, but it just ends up being a good thing. Well my question is do you think this will happen to Narusaku, it seems kinda late in the game or do you think it already happened?

It could be argued that it happened already with the confession, which would just means it would be a good thing, cause couple need up and down. This could also be used against NH as it never had any "down" ( granted it never had any "ups" )

Also I have another question that is completely separate from the one above, that is, do u think Sakura will have to fight Karin? I mean Karin is kinda crazy, but I don't think it will happen, maybe just something I wanna see in my head lol.

Of course I think they will get back up and complete themselves. Have you seen dozens of movies where two get mad at each other by misunderstanding or liar reveal or they just act kids, only to get together again, now as lovers. Again, Sakura's confession brought the drama that no other confessions did. I mean he cliffhanger a confession, who does that? They always put in media because it was drama heavy, especially for them because of their conflicts. Every relationships need that downside moment. You get one can't stay but she feels hurt to think of not staying with him again; you get one guy thinks she's better off with another guy; you get the guy thinks he don't belong to her world, but she believes he does in her world; the list just goes on.

Well we don't know who Sakura is going to fight within the Team Taka, but I guess we have to wait and see.

[HauntedCake]

You guys know how in a pairing the couple usually goes through a "rough patch" maybe a huge downer and that makes everyone lose faith, but it just ends up being a good thing. Well my question is do you think this will happen to Narusaku, it seems kinda late in the game or do you think it already happened?

It could be argued that it happened already with the confession, which would just means it would be a good thing, cause couple need up and down. This could also be used against NH as it never had any "down" ( granted it never had any "ups" )

Also I have another question that is completely separate from the one above, that is, do u think Sakura will have to fight Karin? I mean Karin is kinda crazy, but I don't think it will happen, maybe just something I wanna see in my head lol.

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Could this ever apply to SS?

And about the naruto not reacting should put us into red zone, dafuq??

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

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Could this ever apply to SS?

And about the naruto not reacting should put us into red zone, dafuq??

1st i dont think so because on part 1 Sasuke never showed hints that he may would had romantic feelings towards her.

The last part 1 i also didnt understand this too, since her speech was to affect everyone minus Naruto since she was talking about Naruto he's not going to react to a speech that is not targeted to him .

[TouKen4Life3g]

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Could this ever apply to SS?

And about the naruto not reacting should put us into red zone, dafuq??

Why I get the feeling some haters got you thinking about the no reaction = no love. Again, wait for the process to end. Right now, Naruto is still undergoing recovery. With Hinata, it all happened in one chapter, plus Kuruma was the one finally got him out of that confused look state. People are trying to convert us by putting Hinata on the pedestal. Sakura is not done with Naruto, which is why there's no time to feedback just yet. Plus, a reaction at this early point of the volume? I want it later.

[sushi.]

Why I get the feeling some haters got you thinking about the no reaction = no love. Again, wait for the process to end. Right now, Naruto is still undergoing recovery. With Hinata, it all happened in one chapter, plus Kuruma was the one finally got him out of that confused look state. People are trying to convert us by putting Hinata on the pedestal. Sakura is not done with Naruto, which is why there's no time to feedback just yet. Plus, a reaction at this early point of the volume? I want it later.

But this has happened several times with Hinata and Naruto before.

Hinata confesses, Naruto gave no response. (He only gave response to when she saved him)
Kiba mentions how Naruto acts tough around Hinata..no reaction, Naruto's busy with Sakura.

I took Naruto's lack of response as a way of thinking "I'll let her deal with this". When she's telling people what Naruto think, what can he do besides repeating it or saying "Yeah, that's right Sakura!" Silence can be epic too.

[KnS]

But this has happened several times with Hinata and Naruto before.

Hinata confesses, Naruto gave no response. (He only gave response to when she saved him)
Kiba mentions how Naruto acts tough around Hinata..no reaction, Naruto's busy with Sakura.

I took Naruto's lack of response as a way of thinking "I'll let her deal with this". When she's telling people what Naruto think, what can he do besides repeating it or saying "Yeah, that's right Sakura!" Silence can be epic too.

I couldn't agree more. I thought Naruto's silence and lack of obvious reaction was very telling. He didn't need to react or say anything because Sakura was reacting and speaking for him. I thought it was very cool way of showing how close they are, how well Sakura knows him, and how much Naruto trusts her.

Thinking no reaction = no love just seems like a wild and desperate grasp at straws to me. Everything about the way the scene is portrayed -- including the great observation (made by Awes9, wasn't it?) that the panels don't show Naruto's mouth while Sakura is speaking for him -- seems to intentionally suggest the bond and trust between Naruto and Sakura, not emotional distance.

[Gravenimage]

I couldn't agree more. I thought Naruto's silence and lack of obvious reaction was very telling. He didn't need to react or say anything because Sakura was reacting and speaking for him. I thought it was very cool way of showing how close they are, how well Sakura knows him, and how much Naruto trusts her.

Thinking no reaction = no love just seems like a wild and desperate grasp at straws to me. Everything about the way the scene is portrayed -- including the great observation (made by Awes9, wasn't it?) that the panels don't show Naruto's mouth while Sakura is speaking for him -- seems to intentionally suggest the bond and trust between Naruto and Sakura, not emotional distance.

They will always twist every panel that indicates pairing and turn it into their favors no matter what.

[bthug]

I was just wondering if you think Narusaku will go thru a down moment? One where Kishi wants us to think its over, but kind of hints its not. Something along the lines of Narusaku4life described.

I dont think as it seems out of place and too late in the game.

[HauntedCake]

I was just wondering if you think Narusaku will go thru a down moment? One where Kishi wants us to think its over, but kind of hints its not. Something along the lines of Narusaku4life described.

I dont think as it seems out of place and too late in the game.

How would this be done?? A super mega SS moment and kishi has Naruto watch it??

[KnS]

They will always twist every panel that indicates pairing and turn it into their favors no matter what.

You're right, that's true. However, I'm sure they would say the same thing about us -- and in some cases, at least, they would be correct.

But that's the thing. For me, Sakura speaking for Naruto was not really a "pairing moment" because it had nothing to do with romance. It had to do with survival, dedication, support, trust, and years together as friends and teammates.

It should not be just NS fans who can acknowledge the deep bond between Naruto and Sakura. A great deal exists between them that has nothing to do with romance. Meaningful romance is built upon such relationships, and typically not the other way around.

Looking at every panel in the story through the lens of "my ability to appreciate this depends on how it affects my shipping preference" is, in my opinion, a sad and very limiting way to read a story that's about a lot more than romance.

Edited by KnS, 20 May 2013 - 06:34 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I was just wondering if you think Narusaku will go thru a down moment? One where Kishi wants us to think its over, but kind of hints its not. Something along the lines of Narusaku4life described.

I dont think as it seems out of place and too late in the game.

There's a reason why Kishi answer "Naruto is close." To me, I think he's going to push it to the same level as her status with Sasuke, only it's both side. Why say that answer? I know damn well there's another way to answer.

How would this be done?? A super mega SS moment and kishi has Naruto watch it??

Why would that make any difference? Naruto still believes she loves him, so what would that change? Maybe if it was the first time, it would have been a different story. I guess we're truly an opposite. I fear nothing about Sasuke but you see hell zone. Nothing wrong with that, but don't jump to the conclusion.

[Gravenimage]

How would this be done?? A super mega SS moment and kishi has Naruto watch it??

If Kishi does make a SS moment it will only be a trolling move like he has done with NH.

KnS@

I agree completely I saw her speech as Sakura character development moment. Proving once again that Kishi wants to show the reader her high trust for Naruto and also as the ONLY female character in the series that understands him the most, probably more than Iruka or Kakashi.

Edited by Gravenimage, 20 May 2013 - 06:43 PM.

[Dkey]

Why I get the feeling some haters got you thinking about the no reaction = no love. Again, wait for the process to end. Right now, Naruto is still undergoing recovery. With Hinata, it all happened in one chapter, plus Kuruma was the one finally got him out of that confused look state. People are trying to convert us by putting Hinata on the pedestal. Sakura is not done with Naruto, which is why there's no time to feedback just yet. Plus, a reaction at this early point of the volume? I want it later.

Hmm about reactions
Well before 628 we wondered what Sakura was thinking in 615. Even now we can't really know what exactly she was thinking we can assume she was worrying for Naruto. After Naruto speech in 628 and her speech in 630 we can assume that that shannaro was more than a thank you for cheering us up. She out of all understood what he meant.
I agree with Chatte when reviewing or even analyzing some particular behavior regarding a character's actions. You can't just look at one chapter and explain it all. Therefore her speech is clearly linked with Naruto's. That wasn't only a Sakura moment but also they acted as a team. Naruto used up all his chakra to save everyone and Sakura told them to buy them time for Naruto's recovery. Kakashi told Naruto that he leaves everything to him but still Naruto and Sakura form a team. Depending on what happens next it's possible that Minato will ruin this teamwork. Heh fathers.

I was just wondering if you think Narusaku will go thru a down moment? One where Kishi wants us to think its over, but kind of hints its not. Something along the lines of Narusaku4life described.

I dont think as it seems out of place and too late in the game.

I would consider the confession a down moment. Unless of course Tsunade or Kakashi dies. That would seriously impact them.
Actually there would be one more and that to make the Obirin parallel to Narusaku cannon and have Kakashi or even Minato tell Naruto to give up on Sakura.

[sushi.]

You're right, that's true. However, I'm sure they would say the same thing about us -- and in some cases, at least, they would be correct.

But that's the thing. For me, Sakura speaking for Naruto was not really a "pairing moment" because it had nothing to do with romance. It had to do with survival, dedication, support, trust, and years together as friends and teammates.

It should not be just NS fans who can acknowledge the deep bond between Naruto and Sakura. A great deal exists between them that has nothing to do with romance. Meaningful romance is built upon such relationships, and typically not the other way around.

Looking at every panel in the story through the lens of "my ability to appreciate this depends on how it affects my shipping preference" is, in my opinion, a sad and very limiting way to read a story that's about a lot more than romance.

I agree with this.

I subscribe to many reviewers on YT because I want to see the chapters through the eyes of someone else, it's fun to have a wider perspective. I don't really look for anti-Sakura people, but it's hard to miss. Most reviewers are good, until they talk about shipping.
Most of them disregard/ignore or are even upset with Sakura's presence because either a) they hate Sakura or b) she's in the way of their current "NH joy". Hating Sakura's speech because they hate Sakura..it's very narrow-minded.

So this is why I'm really looking forward to TL's review!

Oh, and I think the SS moment will be Sasuke apologizing. I can't picture Sakura asking for one though, because she's levelheaded and concentrated on the battle now.

Edited by sushi., 20 May 2013 - 06:55 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If Kishi does make a SS moment it will only be a trolling move like he has done with NH.

KnS@

I agree completely I saw her speech as Sakura character development moment. Proving once again that Kishi wants to show the reader her high trust for Naruto and also as the ONLY female character in the series that understands him the most, probably more than Iruka or Kakashi.

Honestly, people tried to say NS got trolled with 540 but the problem is that Kishi confirmed that Naruto is close, so shouldn't this come out as not a surprise. I don't know, but I see it myself as a movement to a new path. Honestly, SS and at times, NH are the one to get trolled. That or it's only troll for people mistaking as a new level in the relationship. It's only going up if you recap the manga again. He even didn't attempt, again didn't attempt, to make SS look good or have a bright side to the relationship. That movie really needed a "Don't worry, Sasuke will return" but none by Kishi. Is it because it's just not meant to be? Looks that way. Anime showed no mercy and the only time they do is going back in time. Go figure.

Honestly, it's the fans that are killing the fun, rather than create fun. It's a shame really because I went to forum to get some good discussions, not being douchy McDouche. I like different opinions, but I don't like when people are manipulating the whole stated fact. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprise if Kishi is upset because of it. I don't remember if the podcast from Saturday recorded this but if it did, you should hear my brief anger. I took a jab on reviewers as well. I could have gone worse, but I didn't. Maybe next time I will. Maybe.

[TrueSacrifice]

Why I get the feeling some haters got you thinking about the no reaction = no love. Again, wait for the process to end. Right now, Naruto is still undergoing recovery. With Hinata, it all happened in one chapter, plus Kuruma was the one finally got him out of that confused look state. People are trying to convert us by putting Hinata on the pedestal. Sakura is not done with Naruto, which is why there's no time to feedback just yet. Plus, a reaction at this early point of the volume? I want it later.

It would be out of character for Naruto to not give Hinata any acknowledgment after her speech. She slapped him out of his moment of crisis and Naruto has always been nice to Hinata so his reaction was warranted. The hand-hold wasn't necessary but it was a nice gesture for Naruto to give Hinata as a close friend.

Naruto's silence during and after Sakura's speech could be due to any number of reasons. For one as Dαrkrєrsŧ said the speech was not addressed to Naruto but to the rest of the alliance. He could be focusing on the juubi or his father's arrival. He could just be giving his silent assent to whatever Sakura is saying letting her do the talking without having to add his two cents. Also as you said NaruSaku4Life3g there is even still time for Naruto to acknowledge her speech. Naruto wouldn't even have to be romantically involved with Sakura at all at this point for it to be ooc for him to think nothing of her words.

It is undeniable that they are close friends and teammates and even many NH and SS shippers acknowledge this. Why then would they say that Sakura's speech meant nothing to Naruto? Are they close friends, or do they hate each other or what? Those people just can't seem to make up their minds!

[MangaReader]

It is undeniable that they are close friends and teammates and even many NH and SS shippers acknowledge this. Why then would they say that Sakura's speech meant nothing to Naruto? Are they close friends, or do they hate each other or what? Those people just can't seem to make up their minds!

It's pretty rare to hear that nowadays, especially since many feel Sakura is a liar

[HauntedCake]

Getting nervous for the next chapter now...... will it be NS awesomeness?? or neutral or troll??

[TouKen4Life3g]

It would be out of character for Naruto to not give Hinata any acknowledgment after her speech. She slapped him out of his moment of crisis and Naruto has always been nice to Hinata so his reaction was warranted. The hand-hold wasn't necessary but it was a nice gesture for Naruto to give Hinata as a close friend.

Naruto's silence during and after Sakura's speech could be due to any number of reasons. For one as Dαrkrєrsŧ said the speech was not addressed to Naruto but to the rest of the alliance. He could be focusing on the juubi or his father's arrival. He could just be giving his silent assent to whatever Sakura is saying letting her do the talking without having to add his two cents. Also as you said NaruSaku4Life3g there is even still time for Naruto to acknowledge her speech. Naruto wouldn't even have to be romantically involved with Sakura at all at this point for it to be ooc for him to think nothing of her words.

It is undeniable that they are close friends and teammates and even many NH and SS shippers acknowledge this. Why then would they say that Sakura's speech meant nothing to Naruto? Are they close friends, or do they hate each other or what? Those people just can't seem to make up their minds!

Well it's understandable for Hinata to get the holding hand for the sake of 573 to come true. I wouldn't let that hanging forever, so at least Kishi is not that cruel for something like that. I think people set themselves for troll to think hand holding was exclusive to her. It made sense, even though the road to it is questionable for many.

Honestly, the no reaction is a grasp of straw and trust me, they want to lower it as much as they can before something big that will backfire may happen. I got a feeling they bit themselves hard when the hug scene happened. If you ask me, they should have learn already before they will repeat themselves again. It's the end of all that will steal the show. Sadly, Hinata played it too early to keep the win. Again, NS part is in process, so that's bad news. I guess they start getting worried when Sakura actually said something that only her can really speak and Minato shows up now instead of Naruto/Hinata being together. Oh well, karma I guess.

It's pretty rare to hear that nowadays, especially since many feel Sakura is a liar

Sigh I know...

I think I should go back reviewing...I'm thinking about it.

[Sojobo]

I can see a futur SS moment, but... SS moment means NS moment too me.
We know that Naruto always react on SS moments. This will be a great oportunity to show the fans his final feelings towards Sakura.
And if Kishi always presents him as a "Sakura lover", this will end NH pairing for sure, and all the NH moments we saw before were only meant to be friendship and encouragement moments, no more...

Hope Kishi will give us a hint next chapter about pairing stuff.
Naruto showing feelings for Sakura again would be great!

NH argument about Naruto being silent about Sakura would be destroyed at once. ^^

Edited by Sojobo, 20 May 2013 - 07:49 PM.