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[Inferno180]

I just think its about time Hinata just gets her confidence and leadership of her clan, thats it. Hinata was never part of team 7 she has no business with Sasuke, she literally never even talks to him once.

I can name the 2 ultimate contradictions of the NH fanbase:
1. They say she is important, they never prove it, they never even mention how she is important to the crisis involving Sasuke, Sakura is a least a major role within the conflict, how does Hinata fit in?
2. They argue Naruto is just over Sakura from the confession and going to Hinata yet they always disregard the confession's true meaning and why Naruto felt he could not confess to Sakura, this is where it gets worse, they say he gave up not realizing how contraditive this one statment is, he gives up on sakura, he does not feel worthy of her, he would not feel worthy of any girl, settling for Hinata would be out of pity, yet they even still forget why Hinata fell for Naruto, she was told to never give up, so how would Hinata feel if Naruto, her idol gave up? Naruto giving up on anything espcially Sakura breaks the entire philosophy of NH.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think this was a mind-**** moment.

[Transformers03]

Thank you.



Hmmm... that's a very good analysis of Obito's character. I felt there was definitely something I missed in my initial impression of Obito in this chapter. Everything that Obito does, it always seems like there's more to it than meets the eye. And I agree that Rin's willingness to die was actually driven by her desire to meet Obito in the afterlife because she had fallen in love with Obito.



You and me both. I do believe that Naruto will contribute to Obito's Heel Face Turn in some way but since this is the Kakashi arc Kishi's been promising us for 5 years, I believe it would be more appropriate that Kakashi does most of the work. But the problem is, Naruto doesn't know anything. Ch. 600 did hint that there will be a moment where Naruto will sit down and listen to their story. But I can't see that happening unless Madara and Obito is somehow forced to retreat with the Juubi. If the Hokages can somehow force them to retreat or something, then Naruto can get the full story from (most likely) his father.

If Naruto is still clueless about what's going on, then he can't TnJ Obito.

Which is why I like him, and I personally think that Kishi is doing a better job on Obito than he has in awhile, especially compared to other aspects of the war arc.

Obito is becoming such a good character. Especially after this chapter.

While it could be argued that Obito was always a good character, I think most will agree he has certainly became a lot more complex and interesting.

There is a user on Naruto forum who always kept saying, Kishi is so obvious with his Manga that is not even funny, fans are the ones who keep creating all these scenarios where in the end they only get disapointed, he stated again and again, Obito was Tobi fans are the ones who usually complicated themselves when the evidence are right there.

Though I agree with your statement, but that is something unavoidable in big fandoms. Besides, coming up with complicated scenario so that the story will come out in the way we want it to be is what makes certain fandoms fun. It loses some of the fun when people get too serious with it, especially with absurd properties.Think about it, most of us are here because we ship a fictional pairing between two characters from a manga series about ninjas and demons, yet we take that goddamn pairing so seriously. While I'm not denying that I have had a lot of fun this website, and I really have, you can't also deny the fact that because we take a certain pairing seriously has ruin certain moments for the manga for us. For example, see the bagillion comments complaining that Hinata was in the chapter for a few panels. And don't give the excuse that you just don't seeing her acting more like a heroin, she isn't.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I just think its about time Hinata just gets her confidence and leadership of her clan, thats it. Hinata was never part of team 7 she has no business with Sasuke, she literally never even talks to him once.

I can name the 2 ultimate contradictions of the NH fanbase:
1. They say she is important, they never prove it, they never even mention how she is important to the crisis involving Sasuke, Sakura is a least a major role within the conflict, how does Hinata fit in?
2. They argue Naruto is just over Sakura from the confession and going to Hinata yet they always disregard the confession's true meaning and why Naruto felt he could not confess to Sakura, this is where it gets worse, they say he gave up not realizing how contraditive this one statment is, he gives up on sakura, he does not feel worthy of her, he would not feel worthy of any girl, settling for Hinata would be out of pity, yet they even still forget why Hinata fell for Naruto, she was told to never give up, so how would Hinata feel if Naruto, her idol gave up? Naruto giving up on anything espcially Sakura breaks the entire philosophy of NH.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think this was a mind-**** moment.

I think he's forcibly making her to be a leader of her clan without development because NH doesnt care about it and demand NH fanservice all the time, so he gave it but used the asspull for her development and it's a door open to mislead them and say that "her development is to be a leader".
Naruto is changing everyone on this arc including the k11, it's showing how Naruto influence on their lives and how they retribute it as helping him, Ino saved his life, Hinata give that speech, Neji died for him, Shikamaru Chouji, Sai and the others helped to restrain the kyuubi let's see what Sakura will do or if she doesnt get it them it's because it's not the time, and the Sakura's development is surely moving on from Sasuke to Naruto.

[Don-kun]

Which is why I like him, and I personally think that Kishi is doing a better job on Obito than he has in awhile, especially compared to other aspects of the war arc.



While it could be argued that Obito was always a good character, I think most will agree he has certainly became a lot more complex and interesting.



Though I agree with your statement, but that is something unavoidable in big fandoms. Besides, coming up with complicated scenario so that the story will come out in the way we want it to be is what makes certain fandoms fun. It loses some of the fun when people get too serious with it, especially with absurd properties.Think about it, most of us are here because we ship a fictional pairing between two characters from a manga series about ninjas and demons, yet we take that goddamn pairing so seriously. While I'm not denying that I have had a lot of fun this website, and I really have, you can't also deny the fact that because we take a certain pairing seriously has ruin certain moments for the manga for us. For example, see the bagillion comments complaining that Hinata was in the chapter for a few panels. And don't give the excuse that you just don't seeing her acting more like a heroin, she isn't.

Because of how biased the Anime Team her fans and lately Kishimoto is towards her character I cannot enjoy Hinata character anymore, now I just don't care about her character I'm just indifferent with her, (like how Obito said she is not real anymore she is a fake) Kishi can do whatever he wants with her has long that it has nothing to do with her and Naruto becoming a canon pairing.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I do believe that if Kishi doesn't kill him off them he will permanently be Sasuke's replacement.
For the old Team 7 to return, Sai, Yamato, Suigetsu, Karin and Jugo needs to die.

Well, I think Yamato was seen as a substitute while Sai is the replacement. That said that's one big list to kill off and I think Sai seems to be safe here because what good killing him will do. He never ask to be free, because he's already is. So yeah, I say it's best for Sasuke to have two families: bonds of forever lasting (Team 7) and bonds of today (Taka). It will be sad for Sai to get pushed aside. I think that will be rude beyond belief. Even Kakashi acknowledged him as Team 7.

[Inferno180]

I think he's forcibly making her to be a leader of her clan without development because NH doesnt care about it and demand NH fanservice all the time, so he gave it but used the asspull for her development and it's a door open to mislead them and say that "her development is to be a leader".
Naruto is changing everyone on this arc including the k11, it's showing how Naruto influence on their lives and how they retribute it as helping him, Ino saved his life, Hinata give that speech, Neji died for him, Shikamaru Chouji, Sai and the others helped to restrain the kyuubi let's see what Sakura will do or if she doesnt get it them it's because it's not the time, and the Sakura's development is surely moving on from Sasuke to Naruto.

One thing with is true about all this, minor or major character development first (mainly most of the K11 save team 7 + sai) Sai should have a bit later on, Sakura maybe coming up but she will definately have her time espcially when Sasuke is back and it comes to team 7 again.

The story of all non-team 7 can end anytime. Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, and Kakashi still have development as long as team 7 still has no resolution. Long as team 7 still has a story, there is much more development to come between Naruto and Sakura.

As for Rin's recent event, I am not sure if this should be called intriguing or a twist, all I know is when we were talking about the timeline a few days ago, this whole deal with Rin makes Yagura's time as the 3 tails jinchurki just much harder to pinpoint now. Kishi added an interesting story element and also managed to complicate the timeline further

[Don-kun]

Well, I think Yamato was seen as a substitute while Sai is the replacement. That said that's one big list to kill off and I think Sai seems to be safe here because what good killing him will do. He never ask to be free, because he's already is. So yeah, I say it's best for Sasuke to have two families: bonds of forever lasting (Team 7) and bonds of today (Taka). It will be sad for Sai to get pushed aside. I think that will be rude beyond belief. Even Kakashi acknowledged him as Team 7.

You're right, I just cannot see Kishimoto doing that just to please original Team 7 fans worst when Naruto accepted him and Kakashi acknowledge him has part of Team 7.

By the way I remember having almost 300 post more than you not too long ago, what's going on you've almost 2.3K more post than me now.

Edited by Don-kun, 10 May 2013 - 10:53 PM.

[Arachnia]

You know about Obito 2 things are in my mind
1 already said a couple of time genjutsu and he has a heart but is hiding it from kakashi so he wont have too defend hes reasons.

this can only be an option if its not genjutsu:

and 2 is something wierd and you guys are gonna laught but what if this obito is not even obito i mean just like the zetsu that has madara's hatred inside of him(black zetsu) so he can watch obito, what if this body of obito is the same but not the hatred is inside of it but hes despair just like the black setsu half, i mean the way you saw it at the panel was that hes hole heart was gone he even stated it:
http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/629/19

In my mind you need too be full setsu then meaning not hes real body this can mean that obito has done this to himself or madara but hes not the same obito we saw when he saw rin die.
and wye do the white setsu look like him i really cant help it, but i think the obito you see now is like black setsu body with essense of hatred/despair.

if this is true it means the body of obito is ready too be revived? rinnegan? what if he use rinnegan the zetsu will die? mabey i overule some standard rules of jutsu but this made me think never the less
so now the fun starts:

[merryGOflava]

why is no one else talking??? 0_0

Bee was so verbal until recently....

it feels like Naruto is doing all the work.......

Edited by merryGOflava, 11 May 2013 - 02:21 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Going to make a prediction to hopefully get this place lively again.

*Sakura is watching Naruto fighting and is looking very worried for him*
Sasuke: Hey Sakura, you like him, don't you?
Sakura: Sasuke!?.....*grows unhappy face* Well, it's complicated. And even if I did, it looks like he has another girl now. (jealous Sakura talking)
Sasuke: Haha, I doubt that.
Sakura: Huh?
Sasuke: You heard me. Naruto loves you more than you could imagine.
Sakura: How would you know?
Sasuke: It's a brother thing.

Too much fanfiction? Maybe all this could happen after the war. Maybe Sakura is sitting from a distance staring at Naruto talking to people, and Sasuke comes up to her and starts this conversation. Either way, if Sasuke is meant to return to team 7 forever, then I don't think it would be a bad idea for Kishi to have Sasuke motivate the push for NaruSaku.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Going to make a prediction to hopefully get this place lively again.

*Sakura is watching Naruto fighting and is looking very worried for him*
Sasuke: Hey Sakura, you like him, don't you?
Sakura: Sasuke!?.....*grows unhappy face* Well, it's complicated. And even if I did, it looks like he has another girl now. (jealous Sakura talking)
Sasuke: Haha, I doubt that.
Sakura: Huh?
Sasuke: You heard me. Naruto loves you more than you could imagine.
Sakura: How would you know?
Sasuke: It's a brother thing.

Too much fanfiction? Maybe all this could happen after the war. Maybe Sakura is sitting from a distance staring at Naruto talking to people, and Sasuke comes up to her and starts this conversation. Either way, if Sasuke is meant to return to team 7 forever, then I don't think it would be a bad idea for Kishi to have Sasuke motivate the push for NaruSaku.

Well, we did discuss that Sasuke already know this pairing, though not like caring, but Naruto is soon to be confirmed best friend/brother, so I feel like he will just mess with Naruto about Sakura, because Naruto seems to be like the little brother of the two. It reminds of Kingdom Hearts intro.

[Dkey]

Well, we did discuss that Sasuke already know this pairing, though not like caring, but Naruto is soon to be confirmed best friend/brother, so I feel like he will just mess with Naruto about Sakura, because Naruto seems to be like the little brother of the two. It reminds of Kingdom Hearts intro.

I always assumed that Sasuke would give a comment like: Great *sigh* now they will annoy me as a couple.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I always assumed that Sasuke would give a comment like: Great *sigh* now they will annoy me as a couple.

That's actually in character when you think about it.

[Dkey]

That's actually in character when you think about it.

Really hope that he kinda keeps the same attitude towards others after Naruto manages to patches things up with him.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Really hope that he kinda keeps the same attitude towards others after Naruto manages to patches things up with him.

It's most likely he will. Characters, in daily life, don't really change attitude, just perspective. I mean Sasuke can still have that attitude, but his view can be different. He can still find them annoying, but not in a negative way. Actually, it will be like before meeting Itachi in part 1 again. Sure works wonder for all other manga/anime.

[T XD]

Really hope that he kinda keeps the same attitude towards others after Naruto manages to patches things up with him.

I don't think that Naruto will try to talk to him like before cause he already tried many times and he came to a conclusion where Sasuke is no longer to be talked to, but fight and see where things go and try to get the point to Sasuke. Sasuke will help them in the battle, talk with Naruto and maybe with Sakura and Kakashi, but he won't be friendly in attitude with them. I think he'll still like he was after leaving the village, but he will make something to be understood and then declare that there will be a battle between the two or something.

Maybe they'll be in good terms in this battle since he understood the situation with the Uchiha clan and wants to protect the village now, but I think that it's obvious there's something else, or things, Sasuke didn't say it out loud.

He didn't shift in the last few chapters to a complete good guy, but he's fine only towards the village. We don't know what he thinks about his bonds now, and about the past decisions that he had made.

It's most likely he will. Characters, in daily life, don't really change attitude, just perspective. I mean Sasuke can still have that attitude, but his view can be different. He can still find them annoying, but not in a negative way. Actually, it will be like before meeting Itachi in part 1 again. Sure works wonder for all other manga/anime.

Don't you think that that is more prbable will be at the end when everything is said and done ? They don't change attitude, but not that quickly as in like now from what I know.

Edited by T XD, 11 May 2013 - 11:05 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think that Naruto will try to talk to him like before cause he already tried many times and he came to a conclusion where Sasuke is no longer to be talked to, but fight and see where things go and try to get the point to Sasuke. Sasuke will help them in the battle, talk with Naruto and maybe with Sakura and Kakashi, but he won't be friendly in attitude with them. I think he'll still like he was after leaving the village, but he will make something to be understood and then declare that there will be a battle between the two or something.

Maybe they'll be in good terms in this battle since he understood the situation with the Uchiha clan and wants to protect the village now, but I think that it's obvious there's something else, or things, Sasuke didn't say it out loud.

He didn't shift in the last few chapters to a complete good guy, but he's fine only towards the village. We don't know what he thinks about his bonds now, and about the past decisions that he had made.


Don't you think that that is more prbable will be at the end when everything is said and done ? They don't change attitude, but not that quickly as in like now from what I know.

If you're referring to his recent developments, thinking that it's over and he will be good guy with everyone, then I agree that he's not done yet. People assume once the war ends, the manga ends with no serious confrontation with Naruto and Sasuke. This is one way to make Sasuke meet Madara/Naruto in the battlefield because otherwise, he would never even go to the war. Sasuke is going to learn something, good or bad, in the battlefield and knowing Sasuke, it's all guessing game. I just trust the situation. It feels too easy and too good to be true.

What do you mean by the last line?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 11 May 2013 - 11:08 AM.

[T XD]

If you're referring to his recent developments, thinking that it's over and he will be good guy with everyone, then I agree that he's not done yet. People assume once the war ends, the manga ends with no serious confrontation with Naruto and Sasuke. This is one way to make Sasuke meet Madara/Naruto in the battlefield because otherwise, he would never even go to the war. Sasuke is going to learn something, good or bad, in the battlefield and knowing Sasuke, it's all guessing game. I just trust the situation. It feels too easy and too good to be true.

Like Sasuke and Naruto battle after Madara and Obito are taken down ? If that so, Naruto has to be in a good condition again, and I think there have to be a break, few chapters in the village or something, before that battle.

What do you mean by the last line?

What you said is that Sasuke can go back like in part 1 in attitude towards them if Naruto talks to him to patches things up. It's rushed for Sasuke to be like that as in now. Don't you think that this is more probable at the end after everything is over ? If Sasuke will still be alive, hopefully for this option.

Edited by T XD, 11 May 2013 - 11:21 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Like Sasuke and Naruto battle after Madara and Obito are taken down ? If that so, Naruto has to be in a good condition again, and I think there have to be a break, few chapters in the village or something, before that battle.


What you said is that Sasuke can go back like in part 1 in attitude towards them if Naruto talks to him to patches things up. It's rushed for Sasuke to be like that as in now. Don't you think that this is more probable at the end after everything is over ? If Sasuke will still be alive, hopefully for this option.

Depends on what type of attitude you're implying he's the same as vegita he's still arrogant, just look at how he apologized to Karin.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2013 - 11:22 AM.

[T XD]

Depends on what type of attitude you're implying he's the same as vegita he's still arrogant, just look at how he apologized to Karin.

Yeah, but I meant towards Naruto and the others. They're different now from Taka. Karin, Suigetsu and Jugo are different from what the other party is. They're with him in his journey. Whereas, Naruto and others are a much different situation.

Edited by T XD, 11 May 2013 - 11:27 AM.