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[fireandice]

As long as this chapter didn't effect NaruSaku in any way (Didn't read it yet) I'm fine.

Did it?

Sounds more like SasuKarin.

seriously, go read it...the Hokages are too epic to miss.

No it doesn't affect NaruSaku at all. Neither are mentioned directly in this chapter.

And yes it's more SasuKarin

[James S Cassidy]

Why do I feel the like the whole mentality is like: "You have to like this chapter cause it was so good, but if you find fault you are wrong."

Oh well, better fall in line or get left behind.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 April 2013 - 01:51 AM.

[Fenris]

seriously, go read it...the Hokages are too epic to miss.

No it doesn't affect NaruSaku at all. Neither are mentioned directly in this chapter.

And yes it's more SasuKarin

Ah i'm so happy.
Sasuke being redeemed has a deep meaning to me, I'm happy he's back, or on the way to being back.

I bet it's gonna be SasuKarin and NaruSaku.

[FoolishYoungling]

Ah i'm so happy.
Sasuke being redeemed has a deep meaning to me, I'm happy he's back, or on the way to being back.

I bet it's gonna be SasuKarin and NaruSaku.

But Sasuke was suppose to find love by looking at Hinata when he came back to the village! I could of swore that 1/10000 chance was going to happen.

[Awes9]

I don't think Sasuke is good again, he just sees the bigger picture and will come with his own solution like Obito, Madara or Nagato before him, he's the ultimate antagonist. The last battle between Sasuke and Naruto won't be about saving a friend but a battle of ideologies which is far better honestly than the whole Naruto chasing Sasuke.


OR


Kishi doesn't care anymore and wants to finish the manga as as fast as possible.

I still lean towards the first option, any other explanations make no sense.

[rikakim94]

Wow, this forum is really negative compared to everywhere else! Tumblr and the other Naruto forums are having a celebration!

I was actually shocked at how the fans acted positive towards this chapter even most of the NS fans on tumblr.

[fireandice]

Why do I feel the like the whole mentality is like: "You have to like this chapter cause it was so good, but if you find fault you are wrong."

wellll i really loved this chapter to bits

but i disagree that you are wrong if you didn't like it.

i think it comes down to how everyone of us thinks differently. For me, I didn't want Sasuke's redemption to come wholly through Naruto as I felt it made him too much of a messiah figure. For you, perhaps (sorry if I got it wrong), the Sasuke/Naruto relationship has been the central thing and you naturally wanted Naruto to be the one who played the key role to bring him back to his senses. That is indeed very valid and understandable.

I liked this chapter because it sort of played to what I wanted, and it's perfectly understandable you and others think differently.

I just disagree though when some people (not anyone in particular) write what are their OPINIONS with the whole sense of "oh kishi messed it up, it makes no sense whatsover and the rest of you are fools" (and vice versa) instead of remembering our opinions are subjective.

Personality, I don't think Sasuke's redemption was THAT out of the left field for people to talk about it being an asspull like it's a FACT, not an opinion.

Edited by fireandice, 11 April 2013 - 01:55 AM.

[Don-kun]

OK I know our opinions are all subjective... but for me personally, I strongly, strongly disagree that Sasuke's redemption was an asspull in any way. If anyone's was a bit weird, it's Oro's. But not Sasuke. Kishi HAS been building this up...so I doubt asspulls in the pairings department will follow.

Guys I mean from 50+ chapters ago, it was pretty obvious that seeing his brother again had changed Sasuke in some way. He no longer seemed as crazy as when he attacked the summit- at that point, if right after that, what happened in 627 happened, then YES, I would be like "WHAT?!!!"

BUT it didn't. We saw Sasuke seeming to regain some sort of clarity during the fight with Kabuto. He stopped randomly lashing out. That's where it all clearly began! So I honestly feel it's unfair to say Sasuke changed his mind over two panels or just because of the flashback.

And in the first place, it's not like Sasuke's all "OMG I LOVE KONOHA NOWWWWW". I doubt it's that simple. I'm sure a part of him still feels very poisoned and made use of by the Konoha leadership. BUT, the fact that the situation is coming down to helping Madara destroy the entire world, or helping to save this very world his brother fought to protect. And, in the end, Sasuke still felt that little bit of attachment to Konoha, and because Hashirama's words made him realise better exactly what Itachi fought to protect. It doesn't mean he'll come back to Konoha and like SasuSaku would happen and everything will be PERFECTTTT. He just isn't so far gone to be willing to allow Madara to destroy everything.

I mean while I know it seemed like it should be/was built up that Naruto would be the one to change Sasuke...in many ways I feel this is more meaningful. Itachi was telling Naruto that he shouldn't try to do everything on his own. EXACTLY. If NOONE else can bring back Sasuke, then there's this further build up of Naruto as some sort of messiah who has to SAVE EVERYONE. And he's alr trying to SAVE THE ENTIRE WORLD FROM MADARA. I really, really like how it didn't need for Sasuke to be redeemed only after getting his butt kicked by Naruto, that he made this choice on his own. That's growth, people. It showed that Sasuke isn't some static tabula rasa who needs to be written on by Naruto. And it would be so stale and even more boring if Sasuke just went even more crazy when he seemed to show some signs of sanity (As well as making even less sense and his character seemed incapable of growth). It's not that Naruto played no role. I'm sure Sasuke's memories with Team 7 formed that strong attachment that endured even as he descended into darkness and provided the foot in the door for his change of heart.

I mean, Sasuke here is breaking the cycle of the Madara/Hashirama, Obito/Kakashi parallel, not just Naruto himself. I love how it's Sasuke coming to his senses without being forced to. It's symbolic of how the Uchiha clan as a whole isn't beyond redemption, isn't this cursed clan always doomed to insanity when they suffer tragedy.

I think honestly Sasuke appreciated the Hokages' candour- even if Tobirama was pretty harsh. He's been lied to all those years as a child, so I think the Hokages' honesty meant a lot to him. I think the fact that he saw Itachi in Hashirama further helped, and Tobirama's acknowledgement of Kagami and Shisui's loyalty.

so i loved this chapter. just my opinion, of course

Hmm...I think for Sasuke, seeing Itachi again provided real closure and played a HUGE ROLE in bringing him back more to normal. Because from what I read, I sensed that Sasuke's hatred towards Konoha after he found out the truth was that of a child so angry that the entire world lied to him, that he was fooled into spending all these years into hating the older brother he had loved and looked up to all along. I bet he hated himself for not seeing the truth, that Itachi REALLY was the loving brother he was, and that he played a role in his death without ever being able to talk to him again. It really hurt Sasuke that he never got to reconcile with Itachi and that Itachi probably died knowing Sasuke hated him always.

I just really disagree that Naruto has to be the one playing the main role. I don't feel that Naruto did nothing, and I think he did enough already. His time with Sasuke in Team 7, his efforts to bring him back definitely played a part in making Sasuke still have that little bit of attachment to Konoha. I honestly felt it was UNREALISTIC that Sasuke couldn't be redeemed or at least come to his senses UNLESS Naruto kicked his butt which the series seemed to be building up to. It makes Sasuke seem to static on his own, and Naruto too much of a messiah who has to rescue Sasuke on top of stopping Madara.

I really love how Kishi did it because it's a sense of "in the end, sometimes you can't force people to walk the path they want to or to save everyone. They make their own choices- and sometimes we can hope that there's still some good left in them." I really felt sorry for how Sasuke was manipulated by the Konoha elders, and lied to by Itachi. It would be a disservice if Sasuke's redemption had to come about only through other forms of coercion (Naruto dragging him back) or manipulation. That is why I much prefer this- because Naruto's ideals are put in the context of a much more universal idea that Hashirama, Kagami AND Shisui shared, instead of him seeming like a ninja jesus without whom NO ONE has these concepts.

Two great post and I totally agree with you, Itachi his beloved brother helping Sasuke to choose the right pact is far better than Naruto forcing him to see the error of his ways, since Pain arc I never liked this Jesucresto (Jesus Christ) stuff they added on Naruto's character.

Obviously this isn't how I wanted to see Sasuke redemption since I kind of liked the idea of him giving his life away to save Naruto after learning the truth, but I realize that this wish was highly unlikeable.

Edited by Don-kun, 11 April 2013 - 01:57 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Pause, crazy prediction time. Does anyone see Sasuke dying in the war? Of course it would have to happen after smiling with Naruto and Sakura again.

[Verilance]

Why do I feel the like the whole mentality is like: "You have to like this chapter cause it was so good, but if you find fault you are wrong."

Oh well, better fall in line or get left behind.

I got the opposite impression from reading the discussion hours ago after work, the main point then seemed to be this chapter is awful, I liked it and I am not a fan of Sasuke

I like Kishimoto's characters (the a for mention person excluded) and there was a lot in this chapter that made me smile or made me think about what was really going on...

so to me it was a good chapter

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Its more than that too. When Naruto and Sasuke fought in the Land of Iron, Naruto said that when Sasuke attacks the Leaf, Naruto will fight him. Now that Sasuke wants to protect Itachi's legacy, he will not attack the Leaf. Itachi's legacy was the safety and peace of the Leaf village. Therefore, Kishi has just eliminated the reason for Naruto to fight Sasuke.

Now considering that that Taka/Kage/Orochimaru love-fest seemed really forced. I think that there is more to this then meets the eye. Sasuke never counted on the fact that Hashirama would be able to resist Orochimaru. Even though it would be so many ppl against Hashirama, we saw that just his chakra alone was enough to scare the other Kages. Perhaps Sasuke will wait for them to head off to the battlefield and then show his true colors. Either way somethings up.

@FoolishYoungling

Relax, Sasuke hasn't shown any feelings at all for Sakura so the likelyhood of SS is still not high. Romance doesn't seem to be his thing.

Naruto only seeks Sasuke's acknowledgment so if Sasuke acknowledges Naruto as his equal then he's done but i think Sasuke only heard about one part of the story there's still Madara's left, and even Obito foreshadowed that someome would pick up the flag if they fail, just wait to see i believe sasuke will turn 180 again or not.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 April 2013 - 01:57 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

That's probably what Kishi's been saving Sakura for! The upcoming SS reunion.

Um ... you're okay with having Sakura reduced to pairing fodder and actually only doing something with Sasuke's arrival? Imo, that possibility is horrible and I'm flinching at even imagining it. I'd rather see Sakura do something epic in fighting or supporting Naruto please, not retarded SS drama. I actually feel insulted as a Sakura fan to see her having a "shining moment" related to Sasuke unless it includes "getting over him".

The rest, besides the SK fangirling (Hate that ship, this chapter solidfied it for me), I mostly agree with. I'm disappointed with how this was handled by Kishi more than I like it but it's nice to see Sasuke be on his way to redemption as a fan of him. I'm looking forward to the Team 7 fight on the battlefield and SasuNaru.

@Foolish Youngling: Honestly, I see it being 50/50 between Sasuke dying and returning to Konoha as a ninja again. I know the latter sounds ridiculous but after a chapter like this, it's chances suddenly increased dramatically. If Sasuke helps take town Obito and Madara, he has redeemed himself and could be accepted back in Konoha. Sasuke wants to protect Itachi's wishes, right? Returning to Konoha and joining T7 was one of those.

[narusakuluv]

Yo, if Sasuke lost half of his face, I will die a very happy man!

I can see the similarities --Click here to view--

Sasuke is all about "What's Fair"

Thanks for fixing my post twice (lol, I was confused )

I genuinely did like this chapter except for my qualms about Karin forgiving Sasuke (I'm too much of a feminist to let that slide). It was nice to be surprised by Sasuke's answer and will provide some interesting development, even if I don't think he's being honest about switching sides.

[Gravenimage]

Wow, this forum is really negative compared to everywhere else! Tumblr and the other Naruto forums are having a celebration!

Anyway, my thoughts on the chapter.

It was amazing, omg. Sasuke, my prince, you're perfect!

Sasuke is going to be redeemed.

Redeemed.

and not because of Naruto, I'm so happy!

I can't contain my feels, gahhh, when I first read it I screamed, omg am I in genjustu.
Team 7 can be together again, its just too much. Thank you Kishi!

And the Taka reunion.

KARIN, NOOO. THAT'S NOT HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO BE.
DON'T HUG HIM OMG
KICK HIM IN THE BALLS FIRST
ASDFGHJKL;

It was so cute! I wasn't expecting SK to be so comical, but the more I read it the more I like it!
They're so perfect together it hurts.
Karin was cute and adorable and tsundare in front of everyone! AND SASUKE'S FACIAL EXPRESSIONS.




Karin makes him sweat! I like that as soon as he saw her he apologized. None was expecting him to apologized THAT FAST, he didn't even think about it and Karin didn't even finish her sentance! lol, and his face on the last panel! He looks so nervous like "what do I do".
He usually has a poker face, haha. I wonder if he was expecting Karin to hit him or something.
Sasuke's as oblivious as ever

Birds of a feather.

And the Kages, too epic for words! I loved how they stood on their faces!
And the incoming Naruto/Minato moments. I'm crying.
Naruto's going to be so happy to see Sasuke AND his Dad!
Sakura too! I can't wait for her to meet Sasuke again.
Ahhh, Team 7

That's probably what Kishi's been saving Sakura for! The upcoming SS reunion.

Kishimoto thank you, this has been one of the best chapters in awhile.
It brought the fandom together and everyone was so happy!
Amazing!

I'll say Sasuke has never acted like that when Sakura was fan girlish. It was the other way around he got annoyed and angry at her. But he looked nervous in that panel like he might be embarrassed oh Kishi you sly dog.

[FoolishYoungling]

I'll say Sasuke has never acted like that when Sakura was fan girlish. It was the other way around he got annoyed and angry at her. But he looked nervous in that panel like he might be embarrassed oh Kishi you sly dog.

I'm actually thinking of shipping SasuKari now. Sure she is another fangirl, but you're right. I've never seen Sasuke make that sort of face to a girl making a move on him. If Karin makes Sasuke happy, then I want that pairing to happen. If Sakura makes Sasuke happy, then I want Kishimoto to understand that he shouldn't of written over 500 panels of NaruSaku.

[TouKen4Life3g]

seriously, go read it...the Hokages are too epic to miss.

No it doesn't affect NaruSaku at all. Neither are mentioned directly in this chapter.

And yes it's more SasuKarin

Agreed. Sad no? I thought the Kages getting ready was so cool. I can't wait for Minato for sure.

Ah i'm so happy.
Sasuke being redeemed has a deep meaning to me, I'm happy he's back, or on the way to being back.

I bet it's gonna be SasuKarin and NaruSaku.

Funny, I didn't think this, but hey, I guess it's nice.

But Sasuke was suppose to find love by looking at Hinata when he came back to the village! I could of swore that 1/10000 chance was going to happen.

Lol. Aren't you the one with SasuHina?

[Awes9]

So do you people really believe the last fight between Naruto and Sasuke won't be a battle to death ?

[FoolishYoungling]

Lol. Aren't you the one with SasuHina?

It's a pairing I support, but I have always understood that it was only a crack pairing.

Do I love it still? Yes.

Do I love SasuKarin now? Maybe.

Will I love SasuKarin over SasuHina? Time will tell.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So do you people really believe the last fight between Naruto and Sasuke won't be a battle to death ?

I don't know yet but I don't think it will be just a sparring match. Somehow I feel like battle to death may happen, but as you said in your post, it's hard to say if Sasuke is 100% good. To me, I feel like it's only 50% thanks to Itachi. The rest is well you know.

It's a pairing I support, but I have always understood that it was only a crack pairing.

Do I love it still? Yes.

Do I love SasuKarin now? Maybe.

Will I love SasuKarin over SasuHina? Time will tell.

I know. I just want to make sure. Well, SK is back on, so people who like it or used to due to certain development, I guess it's rejoice.

[That Uchiha]

Ah i'm so happy.
Sasuke being redeemed has a deep meaning to me, I'm happy he's back, or on the way to being back.

I bet it's gonna be SasuKarin and NaruSaku.

Me too! I'm glad we're getting the redemption sooner rather than later.
SK and NS my OTPs.

wellll i really loved this chapter to bits

but i disagree that you are wrong if you didn't like it.

i think it comes down to how everyone of us thinks differently. For me, I didn't want Sasuke's redemption to come wholly through Naruto as I felt it made him too much of a messiah figure. For you, perhaps (sorry if I got it wrong), the Sasuke/Naruto relationship has been the central thing and you naturally wanted Naruto to be the one who played the key role to bring him back to his senses. That is indeed very valid and understandable.

I liked this chapter because it sort of played to what I wanted, and it's perfectly understandable you and others think differently.

I just disagree though when some people (not anyone in particular) write what are their OPINIONS with the whole sense of "oh kishi messed it up, it makes no sense whatsover and the rest of you are fools" (and vice versa) instead of remembering our opinions are subjective.

Personality, I don't think Sasuke's redemption was THAT out of the left field for people to talk about it being an asspull like it's a FACT, not an opinion.

This.

I did not want Sasuke to be redeemed by Naruto.
Throughout the whole series I was like: "Naruto, leave Sasuke alone. Let him make his own decisions. Go away!"
I wasn't looking forward to Sasuke becoming another Naruto fanboy.
Glad Kishi didn't take that route.

Um ... you're okay with having Sakura reduced to pairing fodder and actually only doing something with Sasuke's arrival? Imo, that possibility is horrible and I'm flinching at even imagining it. I'd rather see Sakura do something epic in fighting or supporting Naruto please, not retarded SS drama. I actually feel insulted as a Sakura fan to see her having a "shining moment" related to Sasuke unless it includes "getting over him".

The rest, besides the SK fangirling (Hate that ship, this chapter solidfied it for me), I mostly agree with. I'm disappointed with how this was handled by Kishi more than I like it but it's nice to see Sasuke be on his way to redemption as a fan of him. I'm looking forward to the Team 7 fight on the battlefield and SasuNaru.

@Foolish Youngling: Honestly, I see it being 50/50 between Sasuke dying and returning to Konoha as a ninja again. I know the latter sounds ridiculous but after a chapter like this, it's chances suddenly increased dramatically. If Sasuke helps take town Obito and Madara, he has redeemed himself and could be accepted back in Konoha. Sasuke wants to protect Itachi's wishes, right? Returning to Konoha and joining T7 was one of those.

Well she does seem to revolve around Sasuke, and I am looking forward to their meeting. So many feels.
Who knows, she could probably end up fighting along side him! It doesn't have to be pairing related.

I'm actually thinking of shipping SasuKari now. Sure she is another fangirl, but you're right. I've never seen Sasuke make that sort of face to a girl making a move on him. If Karin makes Sasuke happy, then I want that pairing to happen. If Sakura makes Sasuke happy, then I want Kishimoto to understand that he shouldn't of written over 500 panels of NaruSaku.

DO IT!
Jump aboard the S.S. SasuKarin. We have cookies.