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[Nate River]

Holy cow, nothing to talk about in almost three days, must bump this thread, but I don't have much to talk about, probably except the theme of bonding.

This thread is pinned. There is no need to bump it.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well, when i meant bump, I just meant on the main page since the topic under the subforum was the photos thread, ehhh I still apologize for that.

Edited by anguyen92, 25 July 2011 - 06:12 PM.

[bthug]

Let's just wait in silence.

[Super Boom]

True love message? And what kind of message would that be? Keep crushing on someone who obviously doesn't give a damn about you and is rude 90% of the time?

LOL, well said. The pairing is so one-sided, I don't really see how that message could have been conveyed. To be honest, the nicest thing he ever said to her was "Thank you", and even that didn't seem very positive, considering Sakura just confessed her love to him.
I suppose Sasuke complimented her during the Chuunin Exams, but I don't know if he was trying to compliment her or just stating an observation. It's hard to tell with him.

so unless he breaks his leg on a business trip, gets nursed back to health by a NaruHina fan, and is forced to finish the manga according to said fan's whim, I doubt that's going to happen

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Edited by Boom...Winning, 25 July 2011 - 10:58 PM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

True love message? And what kind of message would that be? Keep crushing on someone who obviously doesn't give a damn about you and is rude 90% of the time?

NaruSasu has the highes chance of happening(compared to SasuSaku and NaruHina, of course). Naruto is homophobic, as someone mentioned before, but I've heard some people with homosexual orientation are in denial and act very homophobic in public.

Nina Nee-chan im sure Sasuke was never nice to Sakura so it would be more like 100%, And i would like to ask you how NaruSasu has the highest chance of happening?

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well, respectfully, if he abandons the words of Jiriya and his sage-like perverted tendencies, for the record, that would never happen, I would say 0.01%.

Edit: Whoops misread the question, uhhhh, ehhhh how would that have a higher chance of happening? Well, I don't think that's the case because even I think naruhina have a higher chance of narusasu, which stands at 2% if kishi changes his decision for the romantic aspect just to please people.

Edited by anguyen92, 25 July 2011 - 11:47 PM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

^^ Well, respectfully, if he abandons the words of Jiriya and his sage-like perverted tendencies, for the record, that would never happen, I would say 0.01%.

then technicaly its dosnt have the highest chance.

[The Tax-Man]

Nina Nee-chan im sure Sasuke was never nice to Sakura so it would be more like 100%, And i would like to ask you how NaruSasu has the highest chance of happening?

LOL I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Seriously. NH and SS could have had development. But I highly doubt NaruSasu would ever be possible in Naruto.

[Paptala]

As far as the other pairings go, I think it depends on whether Kishi moves forward with the themes and messages he's already set forward, or if he decides to move in a whole new direction all of a sudden. I don't think he's that kind of a writer, so unless he breaks his leg on a business trip, gets nursed back to health by a NaruHina fan, and is forced to finish the manga according to said fan's whim, I doubt that's going to happen (cookie to whoever gets that reference).

True ; we're pretty far into the story at this point, so I can't see him deviating from what Kishi has already taken plenty of time and panels to lay out before hand.

As things stand now, I really can't see NaruHina happening unless Hinata's role dramatically increases, which still hasn't happened.

For me, it's not just Hinata's insignificant role in the story ; it more the fact that she's just another friend to Naruto, not even a particularly close one like Shikamaru. Even if he started showing romantic interest in her know, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth, because he never even so much as thought Hinata was attractive before, where as Naruto and Sakura have panels showing that they both find the other attractive.

I can't really see SasuSaku happening either, unless it turns out that Kishi's trying to put forward some 'true love' message. In which case, I would be disappointed with Kishi, in that, in my opinion, he never really set the foundation for that message before Sasuke left Konoha. Even after Sakura supposedly 'truly' fell in love with him during the Chuunin Exams, it still felt like a fangirlish crush to me.

The same "true love message" that Kishi would be setting with SasuSaku would be a million times better with NaruSaku, imho. Unlike Sakura's love for Sasuke, Naruto's feelings for Sakura have never been shown to waver or diminish. Sakura (the unrequited half of pair) has never actively wanted or strove to hurt Naruto in any serious manner, unlike Sasuke to Sakura. Sasuke never showed anything beyond friendship for her, and nothing close to what Sakura has been shown to feel in regards to Naruto. I just feel that Sasuke and Sakura's relationship over all is one of the most negatively portrayed ones in the series. At least with Naruto and Sasuke's bond, he expressed remorse for attempting to kill Naruto at one point, Naruto had an obvious impact on him, one singular from the rest of Team 7, and they had a much stronger history of mutual comradery and empathy.

Naruto and Sakura's relationship has a much more positive message, though it still shows struggles and complications which gives it a more realistic feel than NaruHina, which has no real negative development (due to it's lack of development overall).

NaruSasu might happen, but I guess my ignorant brain can't really comprehend Naruto turning out to be homosexual. At least with how he's been shown to react around Sakura since early in the manga.

LOL I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Seriously. NH and SS could have had development. But I highly doubt NaruSasu would ever be possible in Naruto.

Well, you never know with the way he depicted Zabuza and Haku's relationship

Still, regardless of anything else, I don't see any reason for all of the romantic teases and hints from both sides of Naruto and Sakura's relationship if he didn't intend to go somewhere with it..

Edited by Paptala, 26 July 2011 - 02:05 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

The one thing that makes NaruSasu so tricky to argue against is that it is the most important relationship in the manga. Kishi highlights it to no end, the rivalry and the brotherhood, and I've seen enough arguments for it to know that it isn't shipped simply for romance sake, but for strength of bond in comparison to the rest. I don't see anything romantic about that bond, but I can't ignore that it pretty much has to trump all other bonds in the story in importance. What I worry then is about Kishi pulling off the actual romantic bond (which we believe to be NaruSaku) and make it stand a candle to the main bond of NaruSasu. Thus far, nothing comes close because the driving force of the manga is the relationship between Naruto and Sasuke. Somehow Kishi has to separate these two types of love and make the romantic love special in its own way in comparison.

Am I just supposed to accept that the NaruSasu argument of, in the end, this will be the most important bond in the series and none of the romance can hold a candle to it? At the moment, I have a hard time seeing Kishi put as much effort into any of Naruto's other bonds in comparison to his bond with Sasuke. Hopefully I'm wrong. D:

[The Tax-Man]

The one thing that makes NaruSasu so tricky to argue against is that it is the most important relationship in the manga. Kishi highlights it to no end, the rivalry and the brotherhood, and I've seen enough arguments for it to know that it isn't shipped simply for romance sake, but for strength of bond in comparison to the rest. I don't see anything romantic about that bond, but I can't ignore that it pretty much has to trump all other bonds in the story in importance. What I worry then is about Kishi pulling off the actual romantic bond (which we believe to be NaruSaku) and make it stand a candle to the main bond of NaruSasu. Thus far, nothing comes close because the driving force of the manga is the relationship between Naruto and Sasuke. Somehow Kishi has to separate these two types of love and make the romantic love special in its own way in comparison.

Am I just supposed to accept that the NaruSasu argument of, in the end, this will be the most important bond in the series and none of the romance can hold a candle to it? At the moment, I have a hard time seeing Kishi put as much effort into any of Naruto's other bonds in comparison to his bond with Sasuke. Hopefully I'm wrong. D:

THAT is the problem with western society. Every brotherly relationship is not romantic. Most aren't. It is supposed to show the power of friendship, even if you have no family. If a guy even says that he 'likes' another guy, it is assumed homosexuality. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I AM saying that romance isn't the only kind of relationship. I always facewall when people bring up NasuSasu arguments. It is just wrong interpretation.

Sure, it is the one focused on, but because of the theme of the manga. I don't even see how that hints NaruSasu. Seriously. Until YouTube videos and forums about Naruto, I never even heard or thought of NaruSasu. Or even NaruHina for that matter. Back then, NS and SS were the ones I worried about(not really). NaruSasu isn't even a possibility. As much as that might 'hurt' some people(lulz @ yaoi fangirls), it isn't.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 26 July 2011 - 03:34 AM.

[Anguyen92]

Well, unfortunately, you are right, narusasu is the most important bond in the narucentric universe, but honestly I just don't care much for Sasuke anymore, to be honest, mainly due to Mandara being the actual villain and Kabuto being the head douche, sorry about that remark. However, there is a bond and we got to have a silver lining in all of this, I don't what it is, but there is one.

In response, to tax-man's post, so do people think narusasu as a bromance or as an actual romantic couple?

Edited by anguyen92, 26 July 2011 - 03:33 AM.

[The Tax-Man]

In response, to tax-man's post, so do people think narusasu as a bromance or as an actual romantic couple?

Generally, a bromance, I guess.(A one-sided one lol) And they are correct. But it just tickles some people's imaginations I guess. I can't really take anyone who takes NaruSasu seriously seriously. (No offense)

Edited by The Tax-Man, 26 July 2011 - 03:36 AM.

[Derock]

In response, to tax-man's post, so do people think narusasu as a bromance or as an actual romantic couple?

Think of this way, if you have read or watch shows like Dragon Ball Z, Gundam Wing, Saint Seya, etc, and you noticed a lot of yaoi fans in each fandom... you'll get the idea (as in, they wanted those pairing more romantic).

[Anguyen92]

Think of this way, if you have read or watch shows like Dragon Ball Z, Gundam Wing, Saint Seya, etc, and you noticed a lot of yaoi fans in each fandom... you'll get the idea (as in, they wanted those pairing more romantic).

Hmmm, well like Dragon Ball Z, like Goku and Vegeta, I saw that as kind of a bromance, and there are parallels between them and narusasu, well at least Goku and Vegeta has spouses, if that's the case there is nothing to worry about here.

Man, people really like yaoi, ehhhhh? I guess my beliefs can't comprehend it in a way that is very serious.

[The Tax-Man]

Hmmm, well like Dragon Ball Z, like Goku and Vegeta, I saw that as kind of a bromance, and there are parallels between them and narusasu, well at least Goku and Vegeta has spouses, if that's the case there is nothing to worry about here.

Man, people really like yaoi, ehhhhh? I guess my beliefs can't comprehend it in a way that is very serious.

I guess it's just wasn't serious at first. Then the yaoi fans in each fandom jumped up in Chapter 3(-ish) and intruiged everyone else. That's usually how it goes, I suppose. If you can't comprehend it, remember you might like two completely opposite things in real life vs. a fictional story. Wonder how the first yaoi fandom started.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Well Leo-chan, I put 90% because of what Boom...Winning said before you(I don't feel like repeating it) and Sasuke saved her a couple of times so that could count as being good...
I'm really not sure about NaruSasu but the fact that they have the strongest bond in the series in indisputable. Naruto still thinks of him as a brother and best friend even after all he's done. I don't know if he would go through as much as he did if it were anyone else.

Ah I understand now, and its Naruto were talking about he would do the same for them.

[Phantom_999]

Well there is Sakura too isn't there? Naruto would go all out for her remember his fight with Gaara? that hasn't changed

[tricksie]

The one thing that makes NaruSasu so tricky to argue against is that it is the most important relationship in the manga. Kishi highlights it to no end, the rivalry and the brotherhood, and I've seen enough arguments for it to know that it isn't shipped simply for romance sake, but for strength of bond in comparison to the rest. I don't see anything romantic about that bond, but I can't ignore that it pretty much has to trump all other bonds in the story in importance. What I worry then is about Kishi pulling off the actual romantic bond (which we believe to be NaruSaku) and make it stand a candle to the main bond of NaruSasu. Thus far, nothing comes close because the driving force of the manga is the relationship between Naruto and Sasuke. Somehow Kishi has to separate these two types of love and make the romantic love special in its own way in comparison.

Am I just supposed to accept that the NaruSasu argument of, in the end, this will be the most important bond in the series and none of the romance can hold a candle to it? At the moment, I have a hard time seeing Kishi put as much effort into any of Naruto's other bonds in comparison to his bond with Sasuke. Hopefully I'm wrong. D:

Your exactly right. For NaruSaku to move forward believably, Naruto is going to have to move his bond with Sasuke into a second position to his bond with Sakura. Meaning, he's going to have to realize that his bond with Sasuke is no longer active, but a cherished tie from his childhood. His bond with Sakura is active, growing and involves his future.

How is Kishi going to do that? Dunno.

But as you said, if the end NaruSasu is still the biggest bond, then I'll be really disappointed. Because that will mean that Sakura is relegated to the ever-loving, long-suffering love interest, happy to support her man in anything he does. Basically, Hinata.

If you think of Minato/Kushina, they were able to do what they did through their bond. There was no third person. If Naruto hopes to become like that, he's going to have to move on from his obsession with Sasuke.

Even the Sannin, which Team 7 favors, did not have such strong themes of redemption. Jiraiya's following of Orochimaru was much more understated than Naruto's all-out quest to save Sasuke's soul.

You're right — it's the NaruSasu is not a romantic bond, but it certainly is the biggest. And it's going to take some major plotwork to bring the focus around to Naruto alone, then NaruSaku. And since this story basically revolves around his rivalry/brotherhood bond, I don't know if Kishi is going to do Sakura justice in the end. I hope so.

[Anguyen92]

^^ I hope so too, which is why I always said that Sakura needs to do something big. I don't know what but something big needs to happen from her end to reenforce that this pairings is as realistic as it can be and is here to stay.

Well there is Sakura too isn't there? Naruto would go all out for her remember his fight with Gaara? that hasn't changed

And also, he was willing to save her from the death blow that is Sasuke. Presumably, he knew the consequences of what might happen afterwards.

Edited by anguyen92, 26 July 2011 - 02:25 PM.