Summoning Master
Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:03 PM
"Even if they are hardly around each other, but **** it!"
"I want it to be about Naruto and Hinata getting married from the start. So I will have him spend a lot of time with this other girl Sakura. And have other characters say that he loves her. And I will make Sakura grow to love him as well. This is a great way to set up Naruto and Hinata getting married."
Magnificient Bastard (aka Cliffhanger Bastard!)
Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:11 PM
"I want it to be about Naruto and Hinata getting married from the start. So I will have him spend a lot of time with this other girl Sakura. And have other characters say that he loves her. And I will make Sakura grow to love him as well. This is a great way to set up Naruto and Hinata getting married."
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:12 PM
"I want it to be about Naruto and Hinata getting married from the start. So I will have him spend a lot of time with this other girl Sakura. And have other characters say that he loves her. And I will make Sakura grow to love him as well. This is a great way to set up Naruto and Hinata getting married."
"I will also have the main character have an ambiguously homosexual relationship with his best friend because nothing says "Naruto and Hinata" like two dudes holding hands and fawning over each other. Maybe have them kissing to push the NaruHina agenda further."
The One True Demi-Goddess of Misfortune
Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:13 PM
Pls shame me for procrastinating. 
Chakra Tree Climber
Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:15 PM
*THROWS TOMATO* BOOOOOOOO!!!^^^^ GET OFF THE THREAD!!!
DAMN I HOPE YOUR KEYBOARD SIMULTANEOUSLY COMBUSTS AND YOUR PHONE. AND ANY COMPUTER AND OR PHONE AND OR TABLET YOU TOUCH.
Now, now. We should be a bit more mature, no? Even if you don't like someone, you should be calm and collected about it, ok? You might get a warning...
Edited by winter-serenade, 06 December 2017 - 07:16 PM.
Summoning Master
Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:17 PM
Now, now. We should be a bit more mature, no? Even if you don't like someone, you should be calm and collected about it, ok? You might get a warning...
He's already gotten them. I don't think he cares. And I understand how he feels, honestly.
The One True Demi-Goddess of Misfortune
Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:17 PM
Pls shame me for procrastinating.
Magnificient Bastard (aka Cliffhanger Bastard!)
Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:20 PM
The One True Demi-Goddess of Misfortune
Posted 06 December 2017 - 08:34 PM
Its not enjoyable for us to hear "you can't X. You have to Y." Every post.
Pls shame me for procrastinating.
Summoning Master
Posted 06 December 2017 - 08:36 PM
Its not enjoyable for us to hear "you can't X. You have to Y." Every post.
Trust and believe that. RidiculouslyBored isn't the only one who is ridiculously bored.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:45 AM
I tought it's the bad boy always win.Feels like Kishi was reading too many Shoujo. "First guy wins." Is a Shoujo law.
The One True Demi-Goddess of Misfortune
Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:12 AM
Pls shame me for procrastinating.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:45 AM
Really? I always thought that the bad boy has bigger chance than the first guy. At least that's what I got from some shojo manga I read.No lol, only of if the bad
Boy is the first guy the protagonist met.
Summoning Master
Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:07 AM
First guy to try to kill girl wins.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:43 AM
Really? I always thought that the bad boy has bigger chance than the first guy. At least that's what I got from some shojo manga I read.
Also I always feel like ss is more shojo pairing because of bad boy vibe and sakura ordinary girl.
Fruits Basket. Although....to be fair....the guy is not as bad as you might think.
Yuki was first, but Kyo got the prize.
Still cringe at the "I love you like a mother" from Yuki bit.....I am not sure how you see someone your age or younger as "your mother," but then again...the Sohma family is pretty messed up.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:55 AM
Analyzer please do us a favor and stop posting. No one in this forum is believing your BS. Why don't you go to a pro-ender forum instead? You'll definitely fit in there than here.
Edited by Gravenimage, 07 December 2017 - 11:56 AM.
The One True Demi-Goddess of Misfortune
Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:55 PM
just misunderstood!
Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 07 December 2017 - 12:56 PM.
Pls shame me for procrastinating.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:26 PM
Its almost always the first guy the protagonist meets and about 65% of the time he happens to be "bad" but hes not really bad
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:22 PM
Ss argument in nutshell.
@james
I think it much more better written since the author give reasoning and resolution regardless wherever the fan might like it or not unlike naruto who pretty much hand wave it rather than show and resolve the romantic subplot.
Well, yeah, but almost every love story now is better written than SasuSaku and NaruHina at this point. Even Twilight. The big issue with the "bad boy and the main girl character" trope vs SasuSaku is that in every other story where this trope occurs...the bad boy doesn't attempt to murder the girl three times, leave her to die on several occasions, and for most of the story until the last possible chapter treat the girl like kitten and subhuman.
Take the Fruits Basket one. There only one character that attempted to kill Tohru in the story, but they didn't fall in love. Kyo was actually nice to Tohru and cared about her well being despite being a "bad boy." He never purposely tried to hurt Tohru and never purposely tried to insult her. In fact, quite the opposet he tried to be nice to her and not make her feel bad about things like purposely eating the Valentine's chocolate she gave him because he didn't want to be rude. He did it in a uncouth way, but he still meant well and that's the difference.
The other bad boys in stories, if they are the good guys, only look bad because they are introverts who had a hard life and have a hard time expressing themselves through emotional connection. It's not to say they can't be nice, but they do it in a way that suits them. Also, they do it in a way that maintains their pride.
As another example look at Kazuma from Kaze No Stigma where he acts and looks like a huge kitten and it is understandable. His family kicked him out because they told him he was weak. They treated him like crap and so he began to hate the Kannagi family for what he quotes is "Their ideal sense of Supperiority" especially when they are the only ones in power. This is true. They all acted, save for maybe one, that they felt their family were the supperior family no matter what. but then cry victim when they lose that power or someone contends with that. However, Kazuma, while he is an kitten, is not a villain because he doesn't kill the weak or leave them for dead. He protects the people who have no power or can;t go farther, but looks down people who CAN become more powerful in themselves and chooses not to because they can pay someone else to do it. Which is ironic since Kazuma's profession is a mercenary.
Kazuma, at least in the anime because I never read the light novels, never kills people or hurts the main girl in the series because he find her useless. He does knock some sense into her everytime she acts supperior though and tells her that "dying recklessly for the sake of heroism is stupid." He much rather live and beat the opposition than die weak for a stupid cause. He never leaves Ayano to die, even if he does joke about it, and he never attempts to kill her.
There was one time he does become evil, but he was more or less abused by the real villain using Kazuma's depression and weakness against him. Kazuma is eventually snapped out of his by Ayano who fights him to knock some sense into him.
Do you see the difference? In on other stories, the female isn't helpless, stands on her own, and never bows to the "bad boy" being this obsessed fangirl of the bad boy, but rather she falls in love with him gradully because the bad boy isn't just a walking kitten head with legs. He is a person who just had a rough life and it has become a coping mechanism for him. He is not inheriantly evil...he just feels he can only rely on himself because everyone else he went to for help let him down.
This is totally different from SasuSaku where the girl is weak in the beginning and has a massive obsession with bad boy. The Bad boy treats this girl with utter disdain and just treats her like crap every chance he gets. The girl pines for him the more he pushes her away and then cries when he won't do what she wants. The bad boy becomes evil because reasons and then proceeds to ignore the girl or see no purpose in her and even attempts to kill her for her to get out of HIS way and the girl simply just rolls over like a good dog and never understand why he does this to her. "Yes master....how can I help you today? Do you want to wipe your dirty feet on me? That would be a great honor for me."
It's almost like the girl WANTS the guy to treat her like kitten because she is so desperate for attention that even negative attention is better than no attention at all....and this makes the girl look pathetic.
The sad part is...this applies to Hinata as well. If Naruto treated Hinata like Sasuke treated Sakura...Hinata would probably still be infatuated with Naruto and love the attention from him. I once saw someone redraw the Sasuke and Sakura heart stab with Hinata and Naruto and....I wondered if NH would still say that is love.
That is an interesting question.....if Naruto treated Hinata like Sasuke treated Sakura....would they all still say that Hinata is great or that their relationship is great?
Edited by James S Cassidy, 07 December 2017 - 06:22 PM.
Summoning Master
Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:00 PM
That is an interesting question.....if Naruto treated Hinata like Sasuke treated Sakura....would they all still say that Hinata is great or that their relationship is great?
No. But Hinata is the reason why it kept hurting Sakura. She would have punched him in the face if Hinata was dead. But instead she's acting like a 12 year old girl in her 30s, all because of Hinata.
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