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[DrK]

 

Yeah,t hat's what irks me too; the fact it's SO obvious Sakura is sim,ilar to Kushina, only for her to be "passed" to Sasuke!

I've seen NaruMikoto, but never SasuKushi. That seems like a completely insane pairing. And yet SasuSaku is canon when Sakura is supposed to be just like her.

Edited by DrK, 01 December 2017 - 06:16 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I've seen NaruMikoto, but never SasuKushi. That seems like a completely insane pairing. And yet SasuSaku is canon when Sakura is supposed to be just like her.

Yeah, and it's ironic that people pair Naruto and Mikoto anyhow, but to not see the same with Sasuke and Kushina is also kinda nuts too. But then again, fans always come up with crazy **** for the things they like. And that takes me back to the fan fiction thing, with the fact some NH fans aren't truly happy with the ending, so they do it their way due to their shattered expectations of their pairings. You said it best though, DrK, it kinda makes them seem like huge hypocrites.

[DrK]

Yeah, and it's ironic that people pair Naruto and Mikoto anyhow, but to not see the same with Sasuke and Kushina is also kinda nuts too. But then again, fans always come up with crazy **** for the things they like. And that takes me back to the fan fiction thing, with the fact some NH fans aren't truly happy with the ending, so they do it their way due to their shattered expectations of their pairings. You said it best though, DrK, it kinda makes them seem like huge hypocrites.

Sasuke x Kushina doesn't work because Kushina hasn't been established to have a special personality that she only uses around Minato. She is still Kushina even around Minato. So her and Sasuke would not be compatible at all, even if they were the same age. Sakura is compatible with him because of the aforementioned special personality. She is compatible with him because she suppresses her real self. Isn't that great? Best pairing.

Edited by DrK, 01 December 2017 - 07:44 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

^ this is why it's so unhealthy "inner Sakura" the real Sakura really only seemed to express itself around Naruto, ino, sai...literally everyone but him.

Now yea girls usually treat the guys they like differently then everyone else, but what we see with SS is taken to the extreme. Sakura basically becomes a brain dead bozo around Sasuke.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 01 December 2017 - 08:13 PM.

[DrK]

^ this is why it's so unhealthy "inner Sakura" the real Sakura really only seemed to express itself around Naruto, imo, sai...literally everyone but him.

Now yea girls usually treat the guys they like differently then everyone else, but what we see with SS is taken to the extreme. Sakura basically becomes a brain dead bozo around Sasuke.

It also creates a horrible comparison to SasuNaru and SasuKarin because Sasuke did well around those people because they aggressively asserted themselves around him and he worked well in that dynamic. So why the hell would he want to be around Sakura more than he needs to? He doesn't like that kind of thing. Actually he hates it. So now Sasuke is even more OOC as well, and Sakura is OOC because you put Sasuke around her.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Autocorrect is being bad ;___;made ino,imo.

But yea, basically. Sakura all throughout the series essentially lives in fear of doing something that will make Sasuke think she's "troublesome" the girl doesn't even want to say things that might make HIM feel invalidated.

[DrK]

Autocorrect is being bad ;___;made ino,imo.

But yea, basically. Sakura all throughout the series essentially lives in fear of doing something that will make Sasuke think she's "troublesome" the girl doesn't even want to say things that might make HIM feel invalidated.

Well, she called him a coward in the forest of Death. This is another way in which the portrayal is inconsistent. Sakura did express her real self around Sasuke in part 1 when the situation called for it. When she was 12. But when she's an adult she can't do it once in 15 years?

 

How can you even call it love if you don't act like your real self? That seems like a prerequisite for love. Being so close to someone that you can be open around them. What Sakura has is some kind of fearful worship. Like Sasuke is some kind of dictator of a third world country and she's his top lieutenant or something, more than a marriage.

 

Why would he have portrayed their interactions this way if SS was the intention all along?

Edited by DrK, 01 December 2017 - 08:32 PM.

[Comy]

Why would he have portrayed their interactions this way if SS was the intention all along?

It's clear as day and night that SS was never established from the begging, like Kishi is saying now. But let's hypothetically say that he decided from the start that the final pairings would be SS&NH...the fact that he intentionally mislead his audience for 15 YEARS, causing people to hate each other because of the pairing they supported, shows me what a bad author / human being he is. I still believe that the change is because of money, pierrot and his assistants, and this makes him a terrible author for not having the spine to stick by his beliefs and ideas 

[James S Cassidy]

The gaiden was not for providing feels for SS. It was to show to people he was not sexist. This was explained in an interview he did along with his brother. The gaiden was originally going to be a one-shot like what Cups got. But then Kishimoto heard about all the people that considered him a sexist. So in an attempt to try and prove those people wrong he extended the one shot into a miniseries gaiden. That by focusing on the main character that was a girl would prove that he was not sexist.

 

That's a major difference between the gaiden and the adaptation. The gaiden was all about Salad. So it focused on her problems with her family, her growing bond with Naruto, her love of the woman that raised her, and her desire by the end to become hokage. SP made the arc try to justify and defend SS. So everything was devoted to showing SS as not as negative as previously shown.

And it failed....miserably.

Not only did the message he supposedly intended went over people's heads....AGAIN....., but he also attacked the problem from the wrong angle. "I am not sexist, I made Salad the main character of this short manga," but Sakura is still an obsessive housewife who everyone thinks is useless. Man, Kishimoto is worse than Marvel when it comes to listening to what fans actually want.

Marvel has this big PR problem with SJW and diversity in Marvel profits. Marvel assumes that the reason why they are losing sales is because as they claim "people aren't into diversity and are racist, sexist, and etc." Wrong. People are just sick and tired of them focusing on too much diversity and not actually finishing a story arc. They keep printing more and more stories with most not getting an ending or not enough time to invest in the comic or the characters before they change it again. Fans are telling them to slow down and take their time making good stories and Marvel just kittenes back that people are too racists/sexist and against diversity. Essentially, SJWs are runing comic books.

Kishimoto is doing something very similar. He is assuming one and doing the opposite of what we mean. I mentioned this in a previous post, but I will say again:
"Sakura is useless and too obsessive over Sasuke. That is sexist to have a woman revolve around a man."
Instead of Kishimoto taking a step back and saying "Maybe Sakura needs to change drastically" he keeps going with it and says "I'll just make another girl the main focus and take away from Sakura. See? I am not sexist. I love women." Why Kishimoto? Why are you ignoring the most obvious thing and trying to distract us from the real problem? Is it because you are scared to change SS and NH and instead go with something more believable? Really, why not go back and retcon everything saying "This is how it really should end." I don't see what the problem is really. If they are worried about profits, wouldn't this bring people back for real instead of trying to trick them into something else? Is he really that scared to make NS canon and change several other details because SP and SJ are some kinf of boogey men out to get him?

Again, making NS canon would have solved some of these problems, but for some reasons this is out of the question.

And I refuse to think that this can't be done. It can be done so easily since he already retconned everything else.


 

 

... Was he successful?

Does the fandom see Sakura in a better light? Do they say she is still useless and obsessive? (rhetorical.)

Edited by James S Cassidy, 03 December 2017 - 05:02 AM.

[DrK]

Salad forgave Sasuke for being a kitten dad anyways. Sasuke TnJed her into it. It was ham-fisted. Not women empowering.

Edited by DrK, 02 December 2017 - 04:44 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Salad forgave Sasuke for being a kitten dad anyways. Sasuke TnJed her into it. It was ham-fisted. Not women empowering.

Did she really? I mean, she is still asking Sakura questions about her dad to this day.
"Are you sure you and dad are married?"
She blatently asked this and Sakura gave NO answer.

Why? Why when asked if she is married to Sasuke she has no answer?

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 02 December 2017 - 04:53 AM.

[DrK]

Did she really? I mean, she is still asking Sakura questions about her dad to this day.
"Are you sure you and dad are married?"

 

I just had an analysis thread-like revelation about that. If they were married, there would have to have been a wedding PHOTO. Therefore, they can't have gotten married. QED.

[James S Cassidy]

I just had an analysis thread-like revelation about that. If they were married, there would have to have been a wedding PHOTO. Therefore, they can't have gotten married. QED.

Why is a character in the story questioning something that is supposed to be "obvious" to us? Analyzer and others say how it is all so obvious and that it is our interpretation that is messing with us....then why is Salad even questioning their marriage?

That a sad realization. When a character in the own story can't even figure it out. I mean, SP or whoever have so much control over this story and they have a character question the validity of something that is being told, to us, is so obvious?

Pretty sad when a character in a fictional story has more brains than half of the Naruto fandom.

 

[DrK]

Why is a character in the story questioning something that is supposed to be "obvious" to us? Analyzer and others say how it is all so obvious and that it is our interpretation that is messing with us....then why is Salad even questioning their marriage?

They exploit the crappiness that they engineered in their own story for the sake of cheap drama. Like with Boruto resenting Boruto's Dad.

[James S Cassidy]

They exploit the crappiness that they engineered in their own story for the sake of cheap drama. Like with Boruto resenting Boruto's Dad.

But it defeats the arguments that pro-enders use.

"It is obvious that Sasuke and Sakura are married."
How when even the other characters in the story question it? There is such a thing as "lampshading" meaning when a character is aware of something obvious the audience knows.
 

Skip the idea it was for the sake drama.

Why would Salad question the marriage of Sasuke and Sakura if it supposed to be obvious to us? Salad talks about not seeing pictures, her "mother" ignoring even the most basic of questions, and several obvious tale tell signs.

[DrK]

But it defeats the arguments that pro-enders use.

Oh. They're just being idiots.

 

It would be so easy to portray these things in a normal way. They go far out of their way to not do so. Was it really necessary for Sasuke to never come back at all in 12 years? No. But they went out of their way to establish that. Ergo, things are f***ed up so the pro-enders start writing fanfics.

Edited by DrK, 03 December 2017 - 05:21 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Oh. They're just being idiots.

They are worse than idiots....they are biased.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

They are worse than idiots....they are biased.

 

And trying to keep thinking they won, when as I've said, it's a Pyrrhic victory for everyone involved!

[DrK]

 

And trying to keep thinking they won, when as I've said, it's a Pyrrhic victory for everyone involved!

Eh, it's so much worse than that. At least Hannibal eventually came in and kicked the s*** out of the Romans for awhile. There's no hope for redemption for anyone. Boruto will just keep on trucking in mediocrity. Kishimoto will only retcon everything on his deathbed, because he can't take his money with him.

Edited by DrK, 03 December 2017 - 01:35 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

You guys remember this scene right? 

 

 

 

 

 

it's iconic yes, but I'd like to address that Masashi borrowed it from his younger brother's series O-Parts Hunter I mean just look at this: 

 

 

 

FYI  this moment in O-Parts Hunter came out before the scene/page in Naruto's chapter.  The only slight difference is the context that's it and the aftermath... the paneling though OMG  real original Masashi taking sh it from your younger brother, Seishi. 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 03 December 2017 - 04:58 PM.