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[TouKen4Life3g]

I do think a lot of people have started to appreciate Oda a lot more. It always surprised me why Naruto is SO popular in US compared to OP. But then again, OP is about pirates and people are used to pirates. Whereas, Naruto is about ninjas, the concept is so new it must have attracted a lot of attention.

Care to answer my question above? I would like to know your thoughts as well as everyone. It just finally occur to me.

Btw, it's actually pretty sad now that today, people would be arguing which series is better. Now, seems like an easy win.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Here's a question for everyone and be honest and think carefully:

Do you believe that Naruto's popularity at the very beginning is similar to Twilight (make you wonder how and why) or similar to Breaking Bad (Understandable because it's that good)? Why?

BB type.

But personaly for me BB - was kind of boring, with all those family scenes.

[luffyq1]

Kishi could have made a lot of stuff better, he just didn't care or wasn't smart enough to do it. This movie while out of place and inconsistent with the story is consistent with HIS  BS. 

couldn't agree more. as rikudo said, kishi's one of the most powerful mangaka right now, so i find it hard to believe that he was forced to do this. before the manga even ended, for years i was constantly questioning myself why ss lasted as long as it did, and now i know why. 

[ramenanmitsu]

Care to answer my question above? I would like to know your thoughts as well as everyone. It just finally occur to me.
Btw, it's actually pretty sad now that today, people would be arguing which series is better. Now, seems like an easy win.

Sorry I don't know Breaking Bad.

And lol, part one Naruto was the most far away thing from twilight.
But it became twilight so what the kitten is this.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

couldn't agree more. as rikudo said, kishi's one of the most powerful mangaka right now, so i find it hard to believe that he was forced to do this. before the manga even ended, for years i was constantly questioning myself why ss lasted as long as it did, and now i know why. 

Its not like I didn't know he was a hit and miss writer, and it wasn't like I hadn't noticed his inconsistencies and contradictions before this ending, but I thought NS happening would be the consolation prize for a good series gone down the drain, I thought it was so obvious even HE couldn't kitten it up...

I was wrong.  

[Liu bie]

Probably that's why. I mean, look at Junko here (apparently taken from her own twitter)

 

Does this seem happy to you? To me it doesn't. Someone tried to justify it as she's imitating Naruto, but Naruto's face in the poster is determined, Junko's face is a disgusted/bored/what a kitten/i have to portray such a bad-received character/what happened to the old Naruto face, nevertheless happy like some people make it out to be...

 

Chatte or someone you think could you give me the official link of that picture please?

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Its not like I didn't know he was a hit and miss writer, and it wasn't like I hadn't noticed his inconsistencies and contradictions before this ending, but I thought NS happening would be the consolation prize for a good series gone down the drain, I thought it was so obvious even HE couldn't kitten it up...

I was wrong.

We were  wrong.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 05 January 2015 - 02:59 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sorry I don't know Breaking Bad.

And lol, part one Naruto was the most far away thing from twilight.
But it became twilight so what the kitten is this.

Well I guess I couldn't find a way to say it but I'll try here.

Basically, what I'm asking if Naruto got popular because of reasons or because it's really good. Reasons would be like Twilight or even 50 Shades. They are technically bad in general. Not to say Naruto started off bad but it has that "It's amazing. It's redefining the genre. It's incredibly well told story," that people spout out at the time. In the end, you could get mixed reactions though it was more to the positive.

Now with Breaking Bad, since I couldn't think another example, it's the hype delivered series. When people talks about it like it's a new masterpiece of our time, that ended being no exaggeration. It's generally positive and they can see why people would enjoy a lot. That's pleasing everyone. Yes, you can have people that don't like it, but the ideal is it has the formula that makes it great and consistently stay that way.

Right now, I'm thinking over, so I decided to ask you guys.

[ramenanmitsu]

Well I guess I couldn't find a way to say it but I'll try here.
Basically, what I'm asking if Naruto got popular because of reasons or because it's really good. Reasons would be like Twilight or even 50 Shades. They are technically bad in general. Not to say Naruto started off bad but it has that "It's amazing. It's redefining the genre. It's incredibly well told story," that people spout out at the time. In the end, you could get mixed reactions though it was more to the positive.
Now with Breaking Bad, since I couldn't think another example, it's the hype delivered series. When people talks about it like it's a new masterpiece of our time, that ended being no exaggeration. It's generally positive and they can see why people would enjoy a lot. That's pleasing everyone. Yes, you can have people that don't like it, but the ideal is it has the formula that makes it great and consistently stay that way.
Right now, I'm thinking over, so I decided to ask you guys.

Well I'd say it started as Breaking Bad, ended as Twilight.

[AHK]

I do think a lot of people have started to appreciate Oda a lot more. It always surprised me why Naruto is SO popular in US compared to OP. But then again, OP is about pirates and people are used to pirates. Whereas, Naruto is about ninjas, the concept is so new it must have attracted a lot of attention.

Yeah, you're probably right. I guess people just see that it's about pirates and just have a preconceived notion about the story before they give it a chance, and then end up missing something great because of that.

If anything, Oda deserves the appreciation.

[Nar123]

Well I'd say it started as Breaking Bad, ended as Twilight.

I'd say that too, Naruto began with a huge potential, unfortunately in the end all this potential was handled very bad by Kikitten

[Nar123]

Yeah, you're probably right. I guess people just see that it's about pirates and just have a preconceived notion about the story before they give it a chance, and then end up missing something great because of that.

If anything, Oda deserves the appreciation.

The horrible dub by 4kids and the unusual animation helped to keep one piece away from being bigger than naruto in America

[TouKen4Life3g]

I guess I can think it started off legitimately really good. Then, goes down, down, down, and become a series that caters towards fans, which in writing it sounds fine, but in reality, it's not. You're pretty much established that only people within would like it, but outside will think it's ridiculous. The story/writing is always great when it appeals to everyone, not the already made Fanbase.

[Advaith]

Its not like I didn't know he was a hit and miss writer, and it wasn't like I hadn't noticed his inconsistencies and contradictions before this ending, but I thought NS happening would be the consolation prize for a good series gone down the drain, I thought it was so obvious even HE couldn't kitten it up...

I was wrong.

U see that's why,NS is why i returned to this manga after i dropped it.I thought it could not be destroyed no matter what,it was obvious that it would be NS,i thought it was so obvious that even trollmoto can't kitten it up but it turned out to be the worst thing destroyed along with the manga

 

I was terribly wrong.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'd say that too, Naruto began with a huge potential, unfortunately in the end all this potential was handled very bad by Kikitten

So when would you say the decline began? It doesn't matter if there's a rebound down the road, just the first time happening.

[Nar123]

I guess I can think it started off legitimately really good. Then, goes down, down, down, and become a series that caters towards fans, which in writing it sounds fine, but in reality, it's not. You're pretty much established that only people within would like it, but outside will think it's ridiculous. The story/writing is always great when it appeals to everyone, not the already made Fanbase.

Truth

[TouKen4Life3g]

U see that's why,NS is why i returned to this manga after i dropped it.I thought it could not be destroyed no matter what,it was obvious that it would be NS,i thought it was so obvious that even trollmoto can't kitten it up but it turned out to be the worst thing destroyed along with the manga
 
I was terribly wrong.

I should come clean.

I didn't want to drop the manga because of nostalgia and all that I wrote in my LAP, but NS is what kept going as well. 50/50 as you may call it. It's because of long time follower. So you could imagine how Kishi truly killed both of my 50/50. Amazing if you ask me.

[TerrorKing]

Its not like I didn't know he was a hit and miss writer, and it wasn't like I hadn't noticed his inconsistencies and contradictions before this ending, but I thought NS happening would be the consolation prize for a good series gone down the drain, I thought it was so obvious even HE couldn't kitten it up...

I was wrong.

Indeed. NS was the one thing that remained consistent throughout the story, right up until the ending. Even if everything else was sucky, at least NS would be there as a single diamond in a sea of mud. Kinda lame considering that this is a shounen, but what can you do.  

 

Not only did Kishi kitten up NS, but he was so determined to kitten it up that he ended up destroying his entire story in the process. 

 

I'm still not entirely convinced that this is the ending that Kishi planned all along, simply because I don't think he's that clever. I don't know and I don't really care anymore. The damage is already done and I don't really think it can ever be fixed. If Kishi wants to try he's more than welcome, as long as he doesn't count on me to cheer him on.    

Edited by TerrorKing, 05 January 2015 - 03:29 PM.

[Nar123]

So when would you say the decline began? It doesn't matter if there's a rebound down the road, just the first time happening.

I felt things were beginning to get strange at the kage summit arc
Sakura pratically admiting she is useless, Sasuke unstable personality going nowhere, Naruto's latent patheticness.

But still this arc had some Good fights, it could have been saved if it had a good follow up and its problems were adressed again

Then we had the confining the jinchuriki arc that was good only because of kushina

Overall though i think the quality really reached rock bottom when the War arc began, wasted potential and all of that

[TouKen4Life3g]

I felt things were beginning to get strange at the kage summit arc
Sakura pratically admiting she is useless, Sasuke unstable personality going nowhere, Naruto's latent patheticness.

But still this arc had some Good fights, it could have been saved if it had a good follow up and its problems were adressed again

Then we had the confining the jinchuriki arc that was good only because of kushina

Overall though i think the quality really reached rock bottom when the War arc began, wasted potential and all of that

I feel like there's a lot of wasted before the final arc because it always seem like straight to the point but only to certain characters. It's like he keeps missing opportunity or something. When you find out that the war arc is the last arc, when you look back again, it only tells you the potential is all gone and only makes you think: "Why couldn't he done it differently." It doesn't help that the last arc is the worst one and a lot of retcons, plot holes, and asspulls begin to happen very frequently.

This is where patience actually leaves you disappointing. Could you imagine what is to be like Sakura's fan, and get a very little screentime? Could you imagine how many cool moments that everyone brought up never happen? Could you imagine how everything you remember in the law discontinued just to reach to this point? Could you imagine the long build hype only lasted much shorter than the first time? Could you imagine how the protagonist seems less and less prominent as time goes by? It's really astonishing.