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Posted 25 March 2010 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 25 2010, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well that N/H fan will have to keep on waiting because I believe Kishi is not planning to make N/H canon in his manga. N/H fans have been waiting during part 1 and they kept on waiting and waiting and more waiting. Now they will have to do the same thing with part 2, I'm sorry but let's face the fact if Kishi has NEVER shown any development of N/H from the beginning of the manga or any sign that Naruto might like Hinata, he's not going to start now. It's too late to back up from the long N/S development he has been working out since part 1, Kishi is not going to destroy the slow pairing development of N/S to start another pairing development which he has NEVER shown any interest whatsoever to begin with. '

That N/H fan said that Kishi is planning something after Hinata's confession I think that fan is wrong. Look at Rock Lee the guy basically confessed his love for Sakura during the forest of death in the chunin exams. Did Sakura gave him an answer after the fight against the sound ninjas??? although she was flatter he felt that way about her she didn't said a word to him because she doesn't feel that way about him. That was 400+ chapters ago. If Kishi left Lee's confession hanging in the air, then he can left another secondary character's confession in the air too I'm talking about you Hinata.

Also judging from 488 there's no doubt Kishi is not planning to give Hinata a response from Naruto due to her confession. 488 its actually the chapter where for the first time Naruto is facing Hinata after her confession and that was exactly 51 chapters ago, the fact that Hinata didn't said a word or the fact that Naruto didn't even looked at her its pretty clear that Kishi has no intention to bring back her confession again. Hinata's confession was done for her character development not so that Naruto returns her feelings period. On another case Sakura's confession will have a conclusion why....because unlike Hinata's feelings for Naruto Sakura's feelings for Naruto plays a key role in the main story, not to mention that she's the heroine.

I doubt this manga will last 200 more chapters leaving me to think that it's already too late in the game for Kishi to even start developing N/H even if he likes the pairing or not. sleep.gif

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Edited by SS3 Goku, 25 March 2010 - 12:36 PM.


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Posted 25 March 2010 - 12:51 PM

Well, if this fan think that then it his/her choice but I think that a lot of NH fan are waiting so much for something to happen after Hinata's confession that they miss other essential element to the manga (like Sasuke first priority is to kill Naruto).

Naruto did remember Hinata and he was relieve to hear that she was alright but, at that time, he didn't show concern only to Hinata's safety but for the rest of the villagers as well. I think that this was the best that Kishi can give to NH because we all know that Naruto doesn't loves Hinata, no matter what NH fan have to say.


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Posted 25 March 2010 - 01:42 PM

sleepy.gif Chirstopher Walken! Huh? *Reads thread* Maybe we shouldn't bash Hinata so much, leads to bad karma. NaruHina fans should know they aren't a very patient bunch, I kind of laughed because whenever Hinata shows up they immediately scream for more before Kishi sends them back, though I wouldn't put it pass Kishi to have a response from Naruto, after Hinata becomes super OOC, lets face it it's not her character to speak out. First panel she's looking at Sakura of all people, with what looks like disdain, but I really don't know for sure because of Kishi.

*thinking of something*.........ohboy.png I'm so immature.

Edited by Insurrection, 25 March 2010 - 02:00 PM.


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Posted 25 March 2010 - 01:55 PM

QUOTE (silverserenity @ Mar 25 2010, 04:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, if this fan think that then it his/her choice but I think that a lot of NH fan are waiting so much for something to happen after Hinata's confession that they miss other essential element to the manga (like Sasuke first priority is to kill Naruto).

Naruto did remember Hinata and he was relieve to hear that she was alright but, at that time, he didn't show concern only to Hinata's safety but for the rest of the villagers as well. I think that this was the best that Kishi can give to NH because we all know that Naruto doesn't loves Hinata, no matter what NH fan have to say.


serenity-chan Naruto remembers when Hinata was injured in 441 but he didn't got a flashback when she told him her confession, this is another important thing. Nariuto forgot her confession because of the Kyuubi transformation.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 25 2010, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
serenity-chan Naruto remembers when Hinata was injured in 441 but he didn't got a flashback when she told him her confession, this is another important thing. Nariuto forgto her confession because of the Kyuubi transformation.


Agreed.

The flashback was showing Hinata when she was injured not when she confess ( very good observation Gaven-kun happy.gif ). That why I say that Naruto only care for her own safety and that why we don't need Hinata's confession to come out again.


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Posted 25 March 2010 - 03:08 PM

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Agreed.

The flashback was showing Hinata when she was injured not when she confess ( very good observation Gaven-kun happy.gif ). That why I say that Naruto only care for her own safety and that why we don't need Hinata's confession to come out again.


In adittion 439 while Naruto was struggling to release the Kyuubi he was thinking what Pain told him NOT Hinata's confession. This and 441 proves that he forgot about her confession. happy.gif
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 03:35 PM

Personally Ive always thought that Naruto never even heard her confession. ( Could be debunked as soon as next chapter.)

But Hinata's "love" as always been more about the admiration she has for Naruto. Im not saying she doesn't like him either, but I always though that was Kishi's major concern with her. And when she confessed, I don't think she yelled it out or anything. More like telling herself she did, and we all know how soft her voice is so he might not have even heard it. But anyway I believed her stepping up to pain was the heightened point of her development.
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 03:42 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 25 2010, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In adittion 439 while Naruto was struggling to release the Kyuubi he was thinking what Pain told him NOT Hinata's confession. This and 441 proves that he forgot about her confession. happy.gif


Yes, I did mention that in a previous post.

Hinata's fall was the last drop that made him transfrom but Naruto concern was to know how to answer Pein's question, how to end this circle of hatred and in chapter 439, we could clearly see that this was the principal source of anguish for Naruto.


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Posted 25 March 2010 - 05:21 PM

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I have been patient through this whole thing...I agree that the time should come very, very soon. I love this pairing too much to be satisfied with all of this. So many things would be at a waste if nothing happens and Kishi just lets it fade into the background. I would probably mourn for Naruto the most for missing out on someone like Hinata, but it would be his loss and failure and Kishi's loss for missing out on this great potential.

But things won't go down like this. Something has been being prepared since the confession and I am excited to finally see what the result will be. 437 blew me away. I am expect something similar in impact or even greater from Kishi. Nothing less than that.


Miss out on Hinata...? Miss out on what? If they haven't noticed Hinata honestly doesn't seem to have much faith in Naruto; when they went after Sasuke again and Naruto got hurt Hinata yelled his name but Sakura was the one to tell her to calm down and have faith in Naruto, he's tougher then that. When Naruto was fighting Pain she went after him, though I respect her for that but she doesn't have much confidence in him, Sakura was the one that always cheered him on.
You expect Kishimoto to make something NH big happen...?
Kishimoto is annoyed by Hinata Fans. There's way too much going on to involve Hinata, shes not going to be in the Main Plot; Secondary Character.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 05:26 PM

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Miss out on Hinata...? Miss out on what? If they haven't noticed Hinata honestly doesn't seem to have much faith in Naruto; when they went after Sasuke again and Naruto got hurt Hinata yelled his name but Sakura was the one to tell her to calm down and have faith in Naruto, he's tougher then that. When Naruto was fighting Pain she went after him, though I respect her for that but she doesn't have much confidence in him, Sakura was the one that always cheered him on.
You expect Kishimoto to make something NH big happen...?
Kishimoto is annoyed by Hinata Fans. There's way too much going on to involve Hinata, shes not going to be in the Main Plot; Secondary Character.

i agree with you they want there pairing to happen so bad they miss easy facks.
Not jest them but ss as well us included

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 08:18 PM

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Well, of course they ignore all NS evidence and believe that if Sasuke/Sakura or Naruto/Hinata even face each other they find it a moment. Alright, i'm gonna stop there, border-line bashing.
It's interesting that Hinata kept looking at Sakura in 488.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:23 PM

QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Mar 25 2010, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Goku-kun

Well, of course they ignore all NS evidence and believe that if Sasuke/Sakura or Naruto/Hinata even face each other they find it a moment. Alright, i'm gonna stop there, border-line bashing.
It's interesting that Hinata kept looking at Sakura in 488.


Hinata was looking at Sakura??? I don't really know that I think she was just staring at nowhere in particular. I'm just happy that Hinata didn't blushed looking at Naruto or told herself" Naruto-kun..."
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 10:45 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 25 2010, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hinata was looking at Sakura??? I don't really know that I think she was just staring at nowhere in particular. I'm just happy that Hinata didn't blushed looking at Naruto or told herself" Naruto-kun..."


It looked like she was after the Shikamaru panel.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 12:40 PM

I notice that the name of the NH FC over at NF is called "His Smile Saved Her..."

Which is odd, because didn't Jiraiya also say something along the lines of "Your smile is my salvation?"

So, basically, that little phrase is not just exclusive to Hinata. IIRC, Hinata also mentioned something about Naruto's back, like, it gives her determination or something... Well, Shikamaru said the same thing, too.

So, basically, there's nothing Hinata has said or felt that no other character has, either.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 01:44 PM

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I notice that the name of the NH FC over at NF is called "His Smile Saved Her..."

Which is odd, because didn't Jiraiya also say something along the lines of "Your smile is my salvation?"

So, basically, that little phrase is not just exclusive to Hinata. IIRC, Hinata also mentioned something about Naruto's back, like, it gives her determination or something... Well, Shikamaru said the same thing, too.

So, basically, there's nothing Hinata has said or felt that no other character has, either.


That's just it Froot Naruto inspired EVERYONE in Konoha to push their selves to become stronger people not just Hinata. He influenced a lot of people to try harder and not to give up and become better people (Inari, Konohamaru, Neji, Gaara, Sakura, Hinata, Shikamaru, Kiba, Tsunade, Jiraiya etc etc...) I believe Kishi once said that Naruto is a good role model he's right. I guess that even the title of their fan club is one sided and biased.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 05:50 PM

not really

in effect his smile did save her. much fo the point of Hinatas character is based on that premise, and the strength she drew from that smile to improve herself to the point where she could stand before him and confess.

the others mentioned, narutos smile and encouragement saving them wasnt the central point of the characters.

but just because his smile did save her, doesnt mean she has sole claim to it, as his smile has saved others as well, Sakura amongst them.

Simply put it can be an appropriate title for the fc but it in no way is a guarantee of romantic conclusions.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 07:29 PM

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not really

in effect his smile did save her. much fo the point of Hinatas character is based on that premise, and the strength she drew from that smile to improve herself to the point where she could stand before him and confess.

the others mentioned, narutos smile and encouragement saving them wasnt the central point of the characters.

but just because his smile did save her, doesnt mean she has sole claim to it, as his smile has saved others as well, Sakura amongst them.

Simply put it can be an appropriate title for the fc but it in no way is a guarantee of romantic conclusions.


No guarantee of romantic conclusions. I wonder what those guys at the NH FC (That evil evil place j/k) would say, I know that not everyine of them is bad and that not everyone of us is good, but I have to say I would be interested in knowing what the NH fans would say about what you said catsie. Would they come with nonsense or would they actually make a similar statement like yours.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 08:42 PM

who knows. NaruHina fans have long been entirely mistaken about Hinatas character.

the essence of her character and her theme has never been her love for Naruto. Hinatas theme was always about improving and changing herself through her own hard work and through narutos inspiration which saved her from going down a dark path of her own.

the confession was the penultimate moment of this theme, where by she took the final step to having the courage to step in front of Naruto in a couple senses of the action, and surpass her hero. As well she confessed how she felt.

in the end of that she has ended all her plot points and has no further resolution needed. the latest chapter proves this even further as now some 50+ chapters later kishimoto sensei has had multiple opportunities to inject Hinata into the equation and has not done so.

she has resolved her plot points and moved on.

Sakura on the other hand has only just begun. her confession to naruto opens up an entirely new group of plots and themes.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 09:03 PM

They will continue supporting their pairing there's nothing wrong by doing that, I just hope they don't lift their hopes up when they keep seeing that the path the manga is taking isn't going in the favor of their pairing. I'm not lifting my hopes on N/S happening it's just that the long road Kishi has taken in the manga since part 1 has been slowly leading to N/S and the development level is higher than N/H or S/S. The question we should be asking is if Kishi truly wants N/H and S/S as the pairings for his manga, then why is he bothering himself giving so much development to N/S he has obviously shown that the development is going beyond the friendship basis. It's been far too long since he started with the pairing development so I highly doubt that he's messing with us or playing mind games with us so he takes us by surprise and from out of nowhere makes N/H and S/S canon.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 09:09 PM

I don't know about you guys but it feels like SS/NH fans have nothing to talk about. They are now only doing fanarts, amvs and fanfics, meaning that maybe some of them know it's not happening in canon (I hope I'm right).
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Naruto: NaruSaku, (Fem)NaruSaku, NaruSasu (as brothers, rivals, best friends), ShikaTema, NaruInoSaku, NaruHarem (excluding Hinata), MinaKushi, ChouIno, YahiKona
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Pairings:
Naruto: NaruSakuHina, SakuHina, NaruTayu, KibaHina, SakuKarin
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Naruto: Hinata, Tayuya, Karin, Itachi
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Naruto: SasuSaku, NaruHina, NaruSasu (as gay lovers), KakaSaku, SasuAnyone, ShikaIno

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Naruto: Sasuke, Madara, "fanon" Hinata (not to be confused with canon Hinata), Kabuto
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