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[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Kinda off topic here but I really liked the new direction they pushed Liu Kang and RIder, things will be interesting next game

Oh that's true, especially Raiden.

[MoonDrop04]

Oh that's true, especially Raiden.

Yeah I'll admit I like what they are planning for those characters in the future 😏. But for Raiden.........I don't know the way he acts and portrays himself doesn't convince me he'll be good villain material 😕.

Now if they can make it where He's a main antagonist but in a totally badass fashion that'd make you wish he stays a villain.......then I'll be impressed 😈

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah I'll admit I like what they are planning for those characters in the future 😏. But for Raiden.........I don't know the way he acts and portrays himself doesn't convince me he'll be good villain material 😕.

Now if they can make it where He's a main antagonist but in a totally badass fashion that'd make you wish he stays a villain.......then I'll be impressed 😈

He's not really a villain but more like "no mercy" Raiden. He kept letting things go out of hand because he's too good. Now, he threatens the opposing force to do bad deeds and they will receive fate worse than death. He went from Naruto baby to Berserk hardcore.

[MoonDrop04]

He's not really a villain but more like "no mercy" Raiden. He kept letting things go out of hand because he's too good. Now, he threatens the opposing force to do bad deeds and they will receive fate worse than death. He went from Naruto baby to Berserk hardcore.

Yeah true but you know for stories like this when a "Good Natured Character" begins to turn to a more darker tone it'll eventually lead up to that character doing something that's unforgivable in the eyes of both friend and foe.

[Narufan85]

My general reaction to new Naruto stuff:

 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah true but you know for stories like this when a "Good Natured Character" begins to turn to a more darker tone it'll eventually lead up to that character doing something that's unforgivable in the eyes of both friend and foe.

That's where the next game would do. Interesting to see the protagonist being the antagonist.

[MoonDrop04]

My general reaction to new Naruto stuff:
 

I laughed my ass off when I saw that part!!! 😆😆😆😆 lmao

[MoonDrop04]

That's where the next game would do. Interesting to see the protagonist being the antagonist.

Exactly 😏

[Namaenash]

Quick Question : Would you guys be willing to see NS happen just for the sake of destroying SS and NH ??

 

Definitely not. What's done is done. Plus, I don't enjoy seeing other people suffer and disappointed, no matter how different their opinions are.

 

More than anything, I would prefer the next continuation of this series to fail, so the entire manga/anime industry can take a lesson to learn. We don't want other series to start adapting such low quality conclusion of a story telling --15 years of story telling some more.

 

Imagine if this series' continuation is successful, I guarantee the other publishers will push the same under-qualified story telling to all the other series across the industry. Put tons of fans service, no need moral message, no need lesson learned, no need build up, no need character development, no need satisfying conclusion, just write the story based on popularity and brainless moe-character.

 

Imagine if this type of story telling becoming a trend. That would be even worse.

 

The other day I stumbled at the following observation:

http://gweatherwax.t...e-naruto-ending

 

Coincidence or not, I humbly think that the sales drop has everything to do with the unsatisfying Naruto ending. Let's see how it goes in the next quarter. Don't go by percentage since it'll skew your perspective, rather, go directly by the numbers. For those who think that it's just because Naruto series ends, regardless how it ended --well, if that's the case, in the next two quarters we should see those missing numbers coming back since there's a new spin-off published... right?  I'd say, only time will tell.

 

Incident like this really speaks volume. As the link above states, numbers do not lie. The fact was clear: WSJ sales drop. A whopping 182,500 copies (5 times bigger than Kodansha’s WSM) just in one quarter. Sales drop means losing money. Those are the only quantifiable loses. Let's not talk about the number of returns from resellers. Don't even talk about the lost of potential revenue (had they delivered qualified story, it'll attract more new readers and subscribers... but let's not go there...).

 

No wonder they are putting so much effort to do the damage control, retcons, conflicting statements in the interviews, etc. Whenever there's an interview, NS has always been part of the discussion topic.   After everything you've done to us and you want us to come back and buy your copy again? Hello~?

 

I don't get their strategy really... I don't understand why do they keep persuading us and keep trying to convince us that NH/SS were planned from the start? And they tried so hard to justify why NaruSaku didn't happen, etc. 

 

It would never come to this if the canon pairings had enough development and the ending left a satisfying conclusion and good moral message.

 

The fact is, they're not... and I'm happy Japanese readers can see it. I'm happy they didn't tolerate such low-quality story telling.

 

I've told this before and I'll tell this again: the impact of this unsatisfying ending will be seen in the long run for those parties involved in the series. We've seen the impact financially by numbers.

 

Down the road, there will be much lesser people who are proud to be a fan of this series, since it will be synonymous with low-quality story telling. People who appreciate a good story telling will not want to associate themselves with this series anymore. As they say: bad storytelling brings together bad readers... and I'm quite sure I won't be part of it.

[ichigo500]

Quick Question : Would you guys be willing to see NS happen just for the sake of destroying SS and NH ??

Nope. I dont want Kishi to write anything about NS.


@everyone: can anybody link me the spoilers ?

[Shashank95]

Frankly.... It doesn't matter if NS happens or not....... Let's all watch this SS/NH trainwreck in slo-mo   

[AHK]

I remember when 693 came out I was having this argument with a SS fanatic and I thought the new chapter would finally convince her that SS was unhealthy.
Instead I got: "Sasuke's only trying to look tough in front of the guys xD"
....... Sasuke's only trying to look "tough"? Sasuke's only trying to look TOUGH??! By stabbing Sakura in a genjutsu and telling everyone he never loved her?! God that SS fangirl was so kittening pathetic, delusional, and disgusting. The way she and other SS fanatics try to justify and sugarcoat abuse p*sses me off to no end.

Agreed, it's disturbing to see how far they go to justify it lol

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Here is something I see. NaruHina is just there. It's not a happy relationship...it is not a unhappy relationship. It's just there.

I know people expect proof and stuff, but really prove to me that NH are happy? I can't see it. Naruto may not be miserable, but that doesn't mean he is happy either. Everything about the relationship is told through dialogue. "They look so happy together." Yeah, my parents can put on an act too in public, but there are times when Naruto isn't home, he looks angry all the time, and he is almost always annoyed when he has to be with his family. To me that is indications that he not happy.

Sure, Naruto the Last "looks" like he is happy and maybe he was at that time, but who says the happiness didn't fade after a while? That happens in relationships. Sometimes the happiness just fades and the parents just....lose interest in each other. This is what Naruto looks like to me. he just lost interest in Hinata. It is boredom? Is it that Hinata is annoying? I don't know. I just know that telling me it is a happy family is not enough to prove to me that it is.

Bias or no bias, this is a show, not tell media. If you can't show me a happy family living an everyday life...then they are not a happy family. Not only that, but this is 5 months AFTER the fact. It's easy to go back and change things to make it "look" better after the fact. That's the problem with "retcons."

It's funny how they can retcon NH into "looking" like a happy family, but not retcon NaruSaku being together because "That is just beyond the realm of reality."

By the way, SasuSaku looks absolutely miserable and dysfunctional family. There is even less to convince me than NH to prove they are "happy," but then again the entire pairing from the start was never a happy one...so it is no surprise.

Apparently "love" and "happiness" are two different things in this universe.

Seriously, have Naruto and Sakura cheat on their "others" with each other and make them look happier and everyone else accepting it. Can't really ruin this series anymore now...it pretty much is already ruined.

In other news

 

That's exactly what I was thinking too, James. I even thought about Naruto not being happy in his marriage with how he treats Boruto as well as his working so long and hard, and having what looks like a bottle of whiskey in his office besides cups of ramen. And let's face it, I bet Naruto just lost the magic when he realized he still was in love with Sakura or something, and he was too late because he believed her when she said that he only loved her due to his rivalry with Sasuke.

 

Though on Hinata's side, she seems blissfully unaware of her husband and son's suffering because she has what she wanted, and it has been shown she doesn't know the real Naruto Uzumaki.

[T XD]

 

Definitely not. What's done is done. Plus, I don't enjoy seeing other people suffer and disappointed, no matter how different their opinions are.

 

More than anything, I would prefer the next continuation of this series to fail, so the entire manga/anime industry can take a lesson to learn. We don't want other series to start adapting such low quality conclusion of a story telling --15 years of story telling some more.

 

Imagine if this series' continuation is successful, I guarantee the other publishers will push the same under-qualified story telling to all the other series across the industry. Put tons of fans service, no need moral message, no need lesson learned, no need build up, no need character development, no need satisfying conclusion, just write the story based on popularity and brainless moe-character.

 

Imagine if this type of story telling becoming a trend. That would be even worse.

 

The other day I stumbled at the following observation:

http://gweatherwax.t...e-naruto-ending

 

Coincidence or not, I humbly think that the sales drop has everything to do with the unsatisfying Naruto ending. Let's see how it goes in the next quarter. Don't go by percentage since it'll skew your perspective, rather, go directly by the numbers. For those who think that it's just because Naruto series ends, regardless how it ended --well, if that's the case, in the next two quarters we should see those missing numbers coming back since there's a new spin-off published... right?  I'd say, only time will tell.

 

Incident like this really speaks volume. As the link above states, numbers do not lie. The fact was clear: WSJ sales drop. A whopping 182,500 copies (5 times bigger than Kodansha’s WSM) just in one quarter. Sales drop means losing money. Those are the only quantifiable loses. Let's not talk about the number of returns from resellers. Don't even talk about the lost of potential revenue (had they delivered qualified story, it'll attract more new readers and subscribers... but let's not go there...).

 

No wonder they are putting so much effort to do the damage control, retcons, conflicting statements in the interviews, etc. Whenever there's an interview, NS has always been part of the discussion topic.   After everything you've done to us and you want us to come back and buy your copy again? Hello~?

 

I don't get their strategy really... I don't understand why do they keep persuading us and keep trying to convince us that NH/SS were planned from the start? And they tried so hard to justify why NaruSaku didn't happen, etc. 

 

It would never come to this if the canon pairings had enough development and the ending left a satisfying conclusion and good moral message.

 

The fact is, they're not... and I'm happy Japanese readers can see it. I'm happy they didn't tolerate such low-quality story telling.

 

I've told this before and I'll tell this again: the impact of this unsatisfying ending will be seen in the long run for those parties involved in the series. We've seen the impact financially by numbers.

 

Down the road, there will be much lesser people who are proud to be a fan of this series, since it will be synonymous with low-quality story telling. People who appreciate a good story telling will not want to associate themselves with this series anymore. As they say: bad storytelling brings together bad readers... and I'm quite sure I won't be part of it.

About the strategy, I have a thought about it that involves three options:

 

1- Kishimoto doesn't know how to make a couple: With all the facts, moments and hints and with the time he had put for them when drawing them, I don't think at all for a second that he is that blind to make NH at the end. There were many things in the plot indicating NS. NS was the most obvious couple that was anticipated regarding other couples from other manga, for me at least. Saying that, leads to the 2nd option.

 

2- He was convinced or pressured by his business man or editors to go for NH in order to increase the sales and make more money out of it seeing that NH was popular outside and inside Japan. Combining both sales together will get lots of money, but eventually has led to a decrease.

 

3-  Marketing always involves psychology: Marketers play with the buyers psychologically. Peripherally, automatically persuading that involve senses and moods. It may not be that strategy specifically, but the study of marketing always involves psychology. They always want to persuade the audience. That's why the statements in interviews always contradicts the manga and economically the sales.

 

It can be one of them, two or three. Either way I hope my message has been clear XD

Edited by T XD, 04 May 2015 - 05:00 PM.

[Namikaze Clan]

So why is ChouChou doubting that Chouji and Karui are her true parents? Unlike Sarada, she inerited physical traits from both of them.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Frankly.... It doesn't matter if NS happens or not....... Let's all watch this SS/NH trainwreck in slo-mo   

 

Same here those fandoms took 5 years away from my life. I want them to feel the same thing.

[Tiller]

So why is ChouChou doubting that Chouji and Karui are her true parents? Unlike Sarada, she inerited physical traits from both of them.

The theory is that she is doing it so Salad doesn't feel bad.

[Namikaze Clan]

The theory is that she is doing it so Salad doesn't feel bad.

Oh well that makes sense. They are friends after all.

[Nostradamus]

So why is ChouChou doubting that Chouji and Karui are her true parents? Unlike Sarada, she inerited physical traits from both of them.

Well considering how all these kids are hideous, it's no surprise that they start to doubt their "real" parents.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The theory is that she is doing it so Salad doesn't feel bad.

They better hope for that, because everything that sounded nice ended up being negative. That's what this Gaiden is doing right now.