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[DrK]

Is that all it takes? Man, marriage is so easy now. Here I thought you needed some kind of ceremony and such, but if all I need to prove my marriage with is calling the one I love want husband or wife then that saves on so much time and money.

 

Hey guys sorry my wife, Analyzer, is giving you all so much trouble. I really wish she would stop it all. I am thinking about getting seperated because...well, she is just not loyal enough.

There can't have been a ceremony. You know why? Because Sasuke would never have wasted his time with it. To say that there was a ceremony is basically bashing Sasuke to say that he would actually bother. There's no gain for him. This zombified Sakura will act like his wife in any event, so there's no need to bother with it.

[Gravenimage]

There can't have been a ceremony. You know why? Because Sasuke would never have wasted his time with it. To say that there was a ceremony is basically bashing Sasuke to say that he would actually bother. There's no gain for him. This zombified Sakura will act like his wife in any event, so there's no need to bother with it.

 

True especially when Sasuke is barely in the village in the first place.

[James S Cassidy]

There can't have been a ceremony. You know why? Because Sasuke would never have wasted his time with it. To say that there was a ceremony is basically bashing Sasuke to say that he would actually bother. There's no gain for him. This zombified Sakura will act like his wife in any event, so there's no need to bother with it.

They must have exchanged Love Nectar

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

They must have exchanged Love Nectar

Yeah, as funny as the scene was, somehow with how insane the "canon" is, I could see Sakura do what Anna did.

[DrK]

Honestly, I'm done talking about this fake Sakura in the post-canon that Kishimoto created. As well as the fake-ass Naruto he allowed SP to create. These characters have the depth of a puddle and aren't likable at all. The conversation can't go anywhere. I would rather discuss the real Sakura and Naruto that were established in the story and how absurd and f***ed up it is that Kishimoto turned them into this.

[DrK]

 

No, it's not a form of bashing, and I'm certainly not ignoring IC actions and highlight OOC actions, given Sakura isn't OOC. I don't see Sakura's actions here even as bad. Bashing is the wrong diction here completely.

Because you ignored the posts where it was established she was being OOC. This is not something I should have to explain over and over. Your density has made this feel extremely old. I am not interested in continuing to talk about a misanthropic version of Naruto and Sakura because you think you can support Kishimoto by saying they are IC. You have failed to support Kishimoto and Kishimoto right now looks horrible. Even worse than Sakura. Your focus on replies where people express opinions to the exclusion of everything else is extremely transparent on your part and no one is going to fall for it. Your continued bashing of Naruto and Sakura by ignoring every positive aspect of them is also transparent and no one is going to acknowledge you as a fan of the characters because no fan of the characters would want to ignore such positive development.

Edited by DrK, 28 November 2017 - 06:37 PM.

[DrK]

 

2: Your argument on why she was OOC is faulty. It is basically because you don't believe people behave this way, a completely subjective opinion. It makes sense not to like it for this reason, but to claim it is OOC on subjective interpretation has no weight or bearing.

That was ONE argument. There have been others. The behavioral argument just shows that it makes no sense from _ANY_ perspective, narrative or psychological. And it was hardly faulty. Just because something is subjective doesn't mean it can't be convincing. For you, you see it as an easy way to dismiss something when that is not what subjectivism means. And it's ironic that you go there considering you use the ad populum fallacy to defend the quality of Naruto vis a vis sales figures.

Edited by DrK, 28 November 2017 - 07:28 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

That was ONE argument. There have been others. The behavioral argument just shows that it makes no sense from _ANY_ perspective, narrative or psychological. And it was hardly faulty. Just because something is subjective doesn't mean it can't be convincing. For you, you see it as an easy way to dismiss something when that is not what subjectivism means. And it's ironic that you go there considering you use the ad populum fallacy to defend the quality of Naruto vis a vis sales figures.

Does that mean Boruto should not be considered canon since Kishimoto is not writing it and it is being written by someone who is only using their subjective opinion on writing these characters as they are?

Based on Analyzer's argument, this should be the case. If Kishimoto didn't write it, it is not canon.

Also, to bring this up, Kishimoto said that Road to Ninja was something he wanted to do in the canon, but said he couldn't put in. Does this mean that if Road to Ninja is a pro-NS movie that NS was the intention the whole time? Seeing how Naruto doesn't want to be with Hinata and Sakura stopped loving Sasuke in that movie and went with Naruto. (Even the Drama CD at the end proved NS canonicity and Sasuke and Hinata hook up...sort of.)

This was a theory we all thought back in the day. Not sure how much it holds us now.
 

Yes, a subjective argument -can- be convincing. I.E., I make an essay called "Why I love Naruto"

 

But if subjective views don't prove fact according to you....does that mean that you only see yourself as a NS fan subjectively, but factually you are not?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 28 November 2017 - 07:58 PM.

[DrK]

Yes, a subjective argument -can- be convincing. I.E., I make an essay called "Why I love Naruto"

Why should you have to justify to anyone why you love Naruto? This is the problem with your thought process right here. Soulless. Bored now. We don't need to hear that you don't give a damn about the explanation. We know.

[TheFirstEvil100]

That was ONE argument. There have been others. The behavioral argument just shows that it makes no sense from _ANY_ perspective, narrative or psychological. And it was hardly faulty. Just because something is subjective doesn't mean it can't be convincing. For you, you see it as an easy way to dismiss something when that is not what subjectivism means. And it's ironic that you go there considering you use the ad populum fallacy to defend the quality of Naruto vis a vis sales figures.

I agree DrK what Naruto did to Sakura and Sakura did to Naruto well its sick if you ask me and makes me feel sick just thinking about it as well.

 

Naruto used and pretended to love Sakura cause he wanted to one up Sasuke.

 

While Sakura just lets Sasuke treat her like a piece of dog kitten that is on the bottom of Sasuke boot.

 

Kishi does not give a kitten NH fans well they just care that Hinata is happy really cause to them she is a kittening goddess that can not do any wrong.

 

I think it why I have grown to love shows like Walking dead and Game of thrones, and more cause they know what growth is about and now BS the readers, they all get right to the point after all.

[DrK]

I agree DrK what Naruto did to Sakura and Sakura did to Naruto well its sick if you ask me and makes me feel sick just thinking about it as well.

 

Naruto used and pretended to love Sakura cause he wanted to one up Sasuke.

 

While Sakura just lets Sasuke treat her like a piece of dog kitten that is on the bottom of Sasuke boot.

 

Kishi does not give a kitten NH fans well they just care that Hinata is happy really cause to them she is a kittening goddess that can not do any wrong.

 

I think it why I have grown to love shows like Walking dead and Game of thrones, and more cause they know what growth is about and now BS the readers, they all get right to the point after all.

Hinata got f***ed over as well. She could have been so cool if she just let Naruto be happy. Instead Kishi made everyone hate her guts.

Edited by DrK, 28 November 2017 - 08:54 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Hinata got f***ed over as well. She could have been so cool if she just let Naruto be happy. Instead Kishi made everyone hate her guts.

Not everyone many and I mean many still love the white eye girl who as I said think she is a goddess in their eyes, plus do you think Hinata cares nope as long as she gets that Naruto kitten in her she will not care.

[DrK]

Naruto picked her. Saying she should have let Naruto be happy doesn't make any logical sense. 

 

No, Naruto picked Sakura since long ago. It didn't change until war arc when he tried to save Hinata from the IT which no explanation at all was given. People are left to assume, and I've been told this in reviews, that Naruto went to Hinata after seeing that he had lost Sakura. It doesn't matter what happened in the Last because this is the obvious assumption that people make due to the lack of NH development. You cannot create NH development by pretending that it exists. You cannot create NH development by retconning everything.

 

Analyzer, your love for Kishimoto does not create NH development from thin air.

Edited by DrK, 28 November 2017 - 09:00 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

No, Naruto picked Sakura since long ago. It didn't change until war arc when he tried to save Hinata from the IT which no explanation at all was given. People are left to assume, and I've been told this in reviews, that Naruto went to Hinata after seeing that he had lost Sakura. It doesn't matter what happened in the Last because this is the obvious assumption that people make due to the lack of NH development. You cannot create NH development by pretending that it exists. You cannot create NH development by retconning everything.

 

Analyzer, your love for Kishimoto does not create NH development from thin air.

Talking of NS and the walking Dead I will be doing a story I will later on, what I can say DrK is that Hinata may be killed in it as she would ask Negan to Kill Sakura so that she can be with Naruto, since in Hinata's mind she has the right to be with Naruto.

 

If you watch Walking dead I can say that some who died will live.

[DrK]

Talking of NS and the walking Dead I will be doing a story I will later on, what I can say DrK is that Hinata may be killed in it as she would ask Negan to Kill Sakura so that she can be with Naruto, since in Hinata's mind she has the right to be with Naruto.

Wouldn't he just kill Hinata for daring to request that? I don't watch TWD but I saw your post where he stabbed the guy in the jugular.

[DrK]

This though is all irrelevant to the point: Naruto picked Hinata. Therefore, your argument saying that Hinata should have just let Naruto be happy doesn't make any sense. Nothing you just supplied has any bearing on this fact, or changes this point of evidence. 

Ok, Naruto did pick Hinata over the random brunette girl #7. But he did not pick Hinata over Sakura because Sakura never gave him that choice. Because Sakura's caring soul was destroyed as I established in many posts that you failed to counter in any way.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Wouldn't he just kill Hinata for daring to request that? I don't watch TWD but I saw your post where he stabbed the guy in the jugular.

Yes he would, while asking before he kills her why Hinata does not do Kill Sakura herself, Hinata would stammer like she has always done but Negan would just say this "I think I know why, cause you've got no guts." before stabbing her in the stomach and sliding the blade across her stomach killing her and then coming back as a walker.

 

But Naruto will put Hinata after she is killed. and will not be happy that Hinata went behind everyone back to get Sakura killed who is working or trying to find a cure.

[DrK]

 

What evidence suggests she stopped caring? Gaiden and the Last are blatantly clash against your assertion that she no longer has a caring soul. 

Shown in other posts which you ignored and are continuing to ignore. Her caring soul is selfish and twisted in those portrayals. Pretending to love Naruto, and I'm not talking about the confession, murders her caring soul. And this goes for Naruto pretending to love Sakura as well.

[DrK]

 

Neither pretended though. The truth is that neither loved eachother in that way. Platonically, yes, but not romantically.

 

You're trying to justify an incorrect interpretation, which is causing this issue. 

It's correct because I went to great lengths to justify it to the point of being unequivocal and you declined to offer a counter argument. And now we're done because you took wasting my time to its logical extreme. Well done!

[Gravenimage]

Talking of NS and the walking Dead I will be doing a story I will later on, what I can say DrK is that Hinata may be killed in it as she would ask Negan to Kill Sakura so that she can be with Naruto, since in Hinata's mind she has the right to be with Naruto.

 

If you watch Walking dead I can say that some who died will live.

 

Naruto/WD crossover let me know when you write the first chapter.