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[FireFox]

What's with the rumor that Kishi rewrote the finale 3 months before november? Is it true? Where does it comes from?

 

 

Because you know.....it would make total sense.....

(but then what about the Last Asspull?)

First time I'm hearing about it but tumblr rumor ? 

 

The Last Asspull was hidden from him the whole time  it was a  surprise from SP to him    .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 05 January 2015 - 09:24 AM.

[EmperorZeo]

their dynamic is not that scene. their dynamic is everything else but that. why do you insist on mixing them. 

"if their dynamic worked than karin wouldn't have had such a shocked expression on her face" again, nothing to do with that. 

karin forgave him for it. she's as insane as him. 

 

Here's the reason why I don't have a problem with SK the same way I do with SS. Karin was already a criminal when she was introduced in the series. People seem to forget that she was the warden at one of Orochimaru's nightmare factories. She helped conduct his experiments and even killed prisoners when they spoke ill of her master. So yeah, she's just as insane, and probably an even bigger monster than Sasuke. That's why my reaction when she was stabbed by Saskue and eventually forgave him like nothing was "okay whatever." Honestly they're a match made in hell.

Edited by EmperorZeo, 05 January 2015 - 09:40 AM.

[TerrorKing]

Whether Junko will continue to voice Naruto in the future will most likely depend on her contract. If she is contractually obligated to voice Naruto in part 3 then I don't think there a whole lot she can do, regardless of her personal feelings on the matter. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Junko has actually declined to play Naruto in future projects. It would explain why there is so much focus on Bolt and Sasuke and so little focus on Naruto. Then again, perhaps Junko feels obligated to continue her role as Naruto because she doesn't want to disappoint the fans, those who are left at least.

[六道仙人]

what I have read here? Slam Dunk???!   SD is far the best shonen spokon manga that I have ever read.

 

 

And Hanamichi Sakuragi is absolutely the greatest main character of all shonen manga.

 

 

What's with the rumor that Kishi rewrote the finale 3 months before november? Is it true? Where does it comes from?

 

 

Because you know.....it would make total sense.....

(but then what about the Last Asspull?)

 

naah. He is very proud of its finale  I bet he is chatting with his wife on their honeymoon in hawaii islands now. "Ehi Honey. My Naruto finale is better than our nights here!!! MHUAUHAUHAUH"

Edited by 六道仙人, 05 January 2015 - 10:22 AM.

[Atheck]

Whether Junko will continue to voice Naruto in the future will most likely depend on her contract. If she is contractually obligated to voice Naruto in part 3 then I don't think there a whole lot she can do, regardless of her personal feelings on the matter. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Junko has actually declined to play Naruto in future projects. It would explain why there is so much focus on Bolt and Sasuke and so little focus on Naruto. Then again, perhaps Junko feels obligated to continue her role as Naruto because she doesn't want to disappoint the fans, those who are left at least.

 

I believe it's because of circumstances behind the scenes as well. Don't forget, the next film set to be released is part of a project that's separate from the original anime and manga. Something tells me that spin-off anime conceived probably just 6 months ago isn't part of her contract. And she's probably already disappointed her superiors, her co-workers, the percentage of fans still supporting the series, and probably Kishi himself for her less than enthusiastic attitude in interviews, pictures, and at JF.

[ramenanmitsu]

what I have read here? Slam Dunk???!   SD is far the best shonen spokon manga that I have ever read.
 

 
And Hanamichi Sakuragi is absolutely the greatest main character of all shonen manga.

YES! YES! YES!

HE IS THE BEST!!! If you're upset with Naruto, read Slam Dunk! Naruto won't even compare!!
I watched the anime in my early elementary school days. The days when shounen was good.....And those otakus were few.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 05 January 2015 - 10:40 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

 

Well you heard what Rikudou explained earlier. The notion of a woman who endures the darkness and trauma of their husband is considered to be a positive love. Even if that's not the logic being used to justify SS in Japan's eyes, the plurality still supports it. People like Ramen do exist, but I would imagine that he's in the minority group of fans. Although depending on how Sasuke is treated in the next film, his reputation could go to the gutter as well.

 

He did explain that women are like that in the Edo period, but today I do think so. I think it was Rikudou or Ramen that that forwarded the Japanese response from the sexist interview when Japanese fans (mainly the NS) said, "No way!" Yeah popularity does overrule that but that would mean general fans are now SS shippers because of Sasuke's character too lol.

 

But the thing that Ramen also mentioned that Sasuke fans are wary of SP abhorrence towards Sasuke's character will discourage them from purchasing more tickets. I'm pretty sure the Sasuke fans who got ripped off and I think they won't be paying SP and Kishi out of there pockets any longer.

 

What's with the rumor that Kishi rewrote the finale 3 months before november? Is it true? Where does it comes from?

 

 

Because you know.....it would make total sense.....

(but then what about the Last Asspull?)

 

The topic is way back in this thread. I'm too busy to go back and search for it. And if its confirmed than I have a hunch that The Last was originally intended to be an AU (not canon) movie for the spinoff for PT3 and Kishi originally intended to end the manga as NS and Naruto as a possible Rokudaime Hokage under his own writing (without fanservice). And lets SP and Viz used the AU series for NH and SS fanservice. That's why the modern technology could not be explained. Rumors said that he could not make NS canon because of personal reasons, if so true. I think we fans is a portion on that person issue because last year this forum had members joking about crack pairings (mainly NH and SS) becoming canon and how we were decling the manga especally the Obito is a cool guy.

 

This forum is well known throughout the Naruto community worldwide except Japan (until recently). I just wonder if Viz had an lurkers to monitor us and reported back to Kishi how we fans treated his work and maybe he felt so betrayed that he sought retribution against us when the final 2 chapters came out and the red herring interview. That would be so kittened up if this were all true.

[Atheck]

 

He did explain that women are like that in the Edo period, but today I do think so. I think it was Rikudou or Ramen that that forwarded the Japanese response from the sexist interview when Japanese fans (mainly the NS) said, "No way!" Yeah popularity does overrule that but that would mean general fans are now SS shippers because of Sasuke's character too lol.

 

But the thing that Ramen also mentioned that Sasuke fans are wary of SP abhorrence towards Sasuke's character will discourage them from purchasing more tickets. I'm pretty sure the Sasuke fans who got ripped off and I think they won't be paying SP and Kishi out of there pockets any longer.

 

Well it seems obvious that Kishi values this antiquated ideal of love unlike most of us here. And if popularity is the true motivator for the ending then Kishi will force Pierrot to swallow their abhorrence towards Sasuke for the sake of their profits. They pander to the disgruntled Sasuke fans with actual worthwhile content in the movie then they have an audience that's willing to listen.

[TerrorKing]

 

I believe it's because of circumstances behind the scenes as well. Don't forget, the next film set to be released is part of a project that's separate from the original anime and manga. Something tells me that spin-off anime conceived probably just 6 months ago isn't part of her contract. And she's probably already disappointed her superiors, her co-workers, the percentage of fans still supporting the series, and probably Kishi himself for her less than enthusiastic attitude in interviews, pictures, and at JF.

So it's okay for Kishi to completely screw over neutral fans, NS fans, SK fans, Neji fans and other parts of the general fandom? It's okay for SP to let their fanboyism over a side character ruin Naruto and the team 7 bond, but it's not okay for Junko to quit because she too was disappointed by the ending and what it did to a once great series?

 

I'm not blaming you, but yeah it wouldn't surprise me if this was the case. My opinion is that, as long as she's not breaking her contract, then she is free to do whatever she wants with her career.   

 

 

He did explain that women are like that in the Edo period, but today I do think so. I think it was Rikudou or Ramen that that forwarded the Japanese response from the sexist interview when Japanese fans (mainly the NS) said, "No way!" Yeah popularity does overrule that but that would mean general fans are now SS shippers because of Sasuke's character too lol.

 

But the thing that Ramen also mentioned that Sasuke fans are wary of SP abhorrence towards Sasuke's character will discourage them from purchasing more tickets. I'm pretty sure the Sasuke fans who got ripped off and I think they won't be paying SP and Kishi out of there pockets any longer.

 

 

The topic is way back in this thread. I'm too busy to go back and search for it. And if its confirmed than I have a hunch that The Last was originally intended to be an AU (not canon) movie for the spinoff for PT3 and Kishi originally intended to end the manga as NS and Naruto as a possible Rokudaime Hokage under his own writing (without fanservice). And lets SP and Viz used the AU series for NH and SS fanservice. That's why the modern technology could not be explained. Rumors said that he could not make NS canon because of personal reasons, if so true. I think we fans is a portion on that person issue because last year this forum had members joking about crack pairings (mainly NH and SS) becoming canon and how we were decling the manga especally the Obito is a cool guy.

 

This forum is well known throughout the Naruto community worldwide except Japan (until recently). I just wonder if Viz had an lurkers to monitor us and reported back to Kishi how we fans treated his work and maybe he felt so betrayed that he sought retribution against us when the final 2 chapters came out and the red herring interview. That would be so f**cked up if this were all true.

So you're saying that Kishi is a big baby who couldn't handle people talking kitten about his sh*tty writing? If that's the case, then that's just another reason to never support that man ever again. Not only is he a bad writer and a sellout. Apparently he also has the mentality of a two year old. 

 

And yes, I am aware that this is all just speculation. It does sound a little far fetched, but at this point I'm willing to believe almost anything. 

Edited by TerrorKing, 05 January 2015 - 11:04 AM.

[Atheck]

So it's okay for Kishi to completely screw over neutral fans, NS fans, SK fans, Neji fans and other parts of the general fandom? It's okay for SP to let their fanboyism over a side character ruin Naruto and the team 7 bond, but it's not okay for Junko to quit because she too was disappointed by the ending and what it did to a once great series?

 

I'm not blaming you, but yeah it wouldn't surprise me if this was the case. My opinion is that, as long as she's not breaking her contract, then she is free to do whatever she wants with her career.   

 

I never gave any indications to suggest that I support Junko's coerced or willing support of Part 3. What she does with her career is indeed her choice - that includes facing the repercussions of a broken contract if by some off-chance it does continue after Shippuden is finished.

 

Tell me, how did the studio that creates the Naruto games cope when Kisame's voice actor died? Did they just find a replacement or are they recycling old sound clips for the newer games?

[Lady Lys]

what I have read here? Slam Dunk???!   SD is far the best shonen spokon manga that I have ever read.

 

 

And Hanamichi Sakuragi is absolutely the greatest main character of all shonen manga.

 

 

 

naah. He is very proud of its finale  I bet he is chatting with his wife on their honeymoon in hawaii islands now. "Ehi Honey. My Naruto finale is better than our nights here!!! MHUAUHAUHAUH"

Don't let me be mean....don't let me be mean...OK.

Let me be mean.

I have a hunch it wouldn't be much too difficult...you know...for the finale, ugly as it is, to better than....

(e la moglie intanto: 'Ma questo cannone spara a salve!!  NOOOOOOO'.)

 

 

 

He did explain that women are like that in the Edo period, but today I do think so. I think it was Rikudou or Ramen that that forwarded the Japanese response from the sexist interview when Japanese fans (mainly the NS) said, "No way!" Yeah popularity does overrule that but that would mean general fans are now SS shippers because of Sasuke's character too lol.

 

But the thing that Ramen also mentioned that Sasuke fans are wary of SP abhorrence towards Sasuke's character will discourage them from purchasing more tickets. I'm pretty sure the Sasuke fans who got ripped off and I think they won't be paying SP and Kishi out of there pockets any longer.

 

 

The topic is way back in this thread. I'm too busy to go back and search for it. And if its confirmed than I have a hunch that The Last was originally intended to be an AU (not canon) movie for the spinoff for PT3 and Kishi originally intended to end the manga as NS and Naruto as a possible Rokudaime Hokage under his own writing (without fanservice). And lets SP and Viz used the AU series for NH and SS fanservice. That's why the modern technology could not be explained. Rumors said that he could not make NS canon because of personal reasons, if so true. I think we fans is a portion on that person issue because last year this forum had members joking about crack pairings (mainly NH and SS) becoming canon and how we were decling the manga especally the Obito is a cool guy.

 

This forum is well known throughout the Naruto community worldwide except Japan (until recently). I just wonder if Viz had an lurkers to monitor us and reported back to Kishi how we fans treated his work and maybe he felt so betrayed that he sought retribution against us when the final 2 chapters came out and the red herring interview. That would be so f**cked up if this were all true.

 

The first part....makes so much sense....I'm baffled.   Oh God It could be, it could really really be true. 

It would make sense to have a non-canon The Last, for pure fan service for Hinata. That's probably why this movie is so gross and shoujo like...

Well, colour me shocked, you've opened my eyes, and now everything makes sense. 

 

I don't suppose anyone monitor us but NS lurkers and trolls tough. 

[TerrorKing]

 

I never gave any indications to suggest that I support Junko's coerced or willing support of Part 3. What she does with her career is indeed her choice - that includes facing the repercussions of a broken contract if by some off-chance it does continue after Shippuden is finished.

 

Tell me, how did the studio that creates the Naruto games cope when Kisame's voice actor died? Did they just find a replacement or are they recycling old sound clips for the newer games?

My anger was not aimed at you, but at anyone who might blame Junko for her "unprofessionalism". Sorry if it came out sounding like I was attacking you. I was just venting lol.

 

I don't know about Kisame's VA. I guess they found a new guy? It's not like they had much of a choice. They couldn't just leave him out.   

[六道仙人]

Don't let me be mean....don't let me be mean...OK.

Let me be mean.

I have a hunch it wouldn't be much too difficult...you know...for the finale, ugly as it is, to better than....

(e la moglie intanto: 'Ma questo cannone spara a salve!!  NOOOOOOO'.)

 

 

 

The first part....makes so much sense....I'm baffled.   Oh God It could be, it could really really be true. 

It would make sense to have a non-canon The Last, for pure fan service for Hinata. That's probably why this movie is so gross and shoujo like...

Well, colour me shocked, you've opened my eyes, and now everything makes sense. 

 

I don't suppose anyone monitor us but NS lurkers and trolls tough. 

 

cannone........ dai, sei stata gentile...

diciamo.... un minicicciolo, restando nel tema natalizio

[Chatte]

The only confirmation we had is that Kishi wanted to end the manga with Naruto and Sasuke's battle and Naruto giving Sasuke the headband. That's the only sure thing, however, Hayate Date said that the ending is the same Kishi told him about some years ago with "minor" changes.

Aka the pairing dynamics. The man waited until he saw which pairing fandom brings him more money, who'd be dumb enough to milk some money from and went from there on, thus ta da, new audience, retconed 15 years of serialization and all that shiz.

Come on, the math is not hard. Money makes the world go round, it's not that hard, I told you.

[Lady Lys]

 

cannone........ dai, sei stata gentile...

diciamo.... un minicicciolo, restando nel tema natalizio

PTFFFFFFFF.....    

Io pensavo al cannoncino giocattolo dei trenini tipo famiglia Addams.

Ma, anche il minicicciolo rende. Un minicicciolo made in china che si inceppa e non spara.... .

[Atheck]

My anger was not aimed at you, but at anyone who might blame Junko for her "unprofessionalism". Sorry if it came out sounding like I was attacking you. I was just venting lol.

 

I don't know about Kisame's VA. I guess they found a new guy? It's not like they had much of a choice. They couldn't just leave him out.   

 

I doubt it would be so easy to locate a replacement for Junko, considering how iconic and central to the franchise that Naruto is. She's a well established seiyuu who has become recognisable by her role as the titular character of Naruto. She interacts with the fans, attends anime/manga conventions, and provides interviews more frequently than any other voice actress on the show.

 

Do most fans even know the name of Kisame's voice actor? From what I've noticed, his character was never too terribly popular, especially when you have the dark and aloof older brother of Sasuke as a partner to overshadow you with. You could probably count on your hands the amount of times that Kisame's name has appeared in any popular news articles of Naruto.

 

The only confirmation we had is that Kishi wanted to end the manga with Naruto and Sasuke's battle and Naruto giving Sasuke the headband. That's the only sure thing, however, Hayate Date said that the ending is the same Kishi told him about some years ago with "minor" changes.

Aka the pairing dynamics. The man waited until he saw which pairing fandom brings him more money, who'd be dumb enough to milk some money from and went from there on, thus ta da, new audience, retconed 15 years of serialization and all that shiz.

Come on, the math is not hard. Money makes the world go round, it's not that hard, I told you.

 

So what's your take on the Junko issue? Do you believe that she might choose to wash her hands of the series once Shippuden is over because of personal reasons?

Edited by Atheck, 05 January 2015 - 12:05 PM.

[六道仙人]

I read Oda's interview... Awesome. As might be expected from him. And I have also seen a subliminal criticism through his words towards the "honeymoon man"

 

 

PTFFFFFFFF.....    

Io pensavo al cannoncino giocattolo dei trenini tipo famiglia Addams.

Ma, anche il minicicciolo rende. Un minicicciolo made in china che si inceppa e non spara.... .

 

poi magari ti avvicini al cicciolo e ti scoppia in mano (capitato quasi quasi per esperienza personale)

Edited by 六道仙人, 05 January 2015 - 12:02 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

I read Oda's interview... Awesome. As might be expected from him. And I have also seen a subliminal criticism through his words towards the "honeymoon man")

Wut? Wut? Wut?

[六道仙人]

Wut? Wut? Wut?

 

it's just me.... I know that they are friends but they are also rivals. Naruto has become a shojo and it's true. Did you read it?

[Chatte]

So what's your take on the Junko issue? Do you believe that might choose to wash her hands of the series once Shippuden is over because of personal reasons?

Or more so because she doesn't support the BS. :) It's clear from her face, her expressions in pictures, her words in interviews and her overly polite but not excited figure that all this is just a BS Pierrot thought they'd get around with, Kishi was to stupid to care or idk what's in his head and thus went away bc he didn't care anymore anyway, and thus Junko who was still interested in the story got caught-up in the middle. Now, she cannot say anything because she's under a contract, but she makes sure that once she can, she's leaving and that's it bc this isn't the Naruto she supported, the story she followed and such. This is a BS and we all know it, Junko does too so she'd rather just leave than be part in such kitten.

 

 

 

it's just me.... I know that they are friends but they are also rivals. Naruto has become a shojo and it's true. Did you read it?

I felt that too but I believed it's just me...

Edited by Chatte, 05 January 2015 - 12:09 PM.