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[Atheck]

 
I could not find the updated version on the anime network for some reason. The pages may not exist any longer, but I have an older article http://modernwarnegr...rt-3-confirmed/
 

 

I'm not sure how trustworthy a website called "modernwarnegro" is. Do you have another source?

[Aizen-Sama]

Sakura is just as insane then since she also forgave Sasuke after everything he put her through. No wait, Sakura said there was nothing to forgive so yeah, Sakura is also insane now. They fit together I guess lol.

Sakura was supposed to get with Naruto to save her sanity. Too bad PuttaNata got to him first. Sakura was left with the scraps (Sasuke).

[luffyq1]

their dynamic is not that scene. their dinamic is everything else but that. why do you insist on mixing them. 

"if their dynamic worked than karin wouldn't have had such a shocked expression on her face" again, nothing to do with that. 

karin forgave him for it. she's as insane as him. 

if it's anything but that then why did it happen in the first place? and i keep bringing it up because it's not something that can just be shoved under the rug and forgotten. it was a moment that could have resulted in her death.

 

it wasn't just the shocked expression that karin had, but also her questioning if that's all she is to sasuke. she looked heartbroken. and of course she forgave him, women aren't allowed to leave their first love anyway. also, sasuke apologized to sakura and she even asked what he was sorry for. sasuke apologized to both girls, big deal.

Edited by luffyq1, 05 January 2015 - 08:02 AM.

[Aizen-Sama]

their dynamic is not that scene. their dynamic is everything else but that. why do you insist on mixing them. 
"if their dynamic worked than karin wouldn't have had such a shocked expression on her face" again, nothing to do with that. 
karin forgave him for it. she's as insane as him. 

I agree both Sasuke and Karin are insane and would fit together because of that. The thing is...I don't think their relationship would last since Sasuke might end up killing Karin or something. It's a very unappealing couple.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Other than the Anime network (which the page is unavailable or no longer existed) nope. But I do believe it because how the heck will Kishi have time to do PT3 when he has the manga and the movie to do and PT3 anime is just like any other filler. That's overkill and Kishi hardly involves himself in fillers ever. And if he's involve, I think Kishi is just going to be a supervisor like how he was with the previous two films.

 

 

 

I almost forgot. Can anyone confirmed  that Kishi changed or written the ending of the manga the final two chapters 3 months before November 10 last year to be true?

 

i recently read about oda's interview where he was asked to give his opinion regarding the trend that 'shonen titles are increasingly becoming oriented towards shojo tendencies' he reply that shonen titles should not turn into shojo"

 

Q：When your manga is animated, I'm sure you have to communicate  with the studio staff, so what is your first impression of them?
oda: I greeted all the staff at the beginning. At that time I felt that I met a group of good staff, because everybody understand shonen manga there. they don't care about "moe", i think this is superb. in my opinion i only wish to immerse myself in the shonen manga world. 

Since I'm publishing a work on a shonen manga, so i have to satisfy the male demographic audience. this is my job. but after i became a professional, every time when i receive fan letters, i realize most of them are from girls. maybe guys are too lazy to write (laugh) 

 

When I come to the realization that a lot of girls would express their opinion, and I look around the manga world, i would feel "this person, did he just blindly follow the girls' opinions?" I have seen these kind of cases happen a lot. And so, because some mangaka treat the fan letters as customer demands, they followed their fans wishes to write the manga. But in the end, the work would also become a shojo (laugh) Well when you draw according to their demands there's no doubt that it would be a shojo oriented work. I feel that is a grave mistake

Q：So the original audience, the male readers do not put forward their views 
Oda: Yes, that's why, I can only take my past memories as a teenager, and use that as a standard to draw my manga. of course that is not to say there are no male teens who never sent their opinions. when i look at the new year cards my parents sent to me, i would notice a few fan letters from male readers(laugh)

 

So from that, I'm able to have at look at how the real male teens would think. Like  "I like this battle" "I like this particular moveset" etc. I'll read it and sigh "ah, this kind of feedback makes me feel happy" Therefore I have to prioritize the valuable opinions of these male readers. Of course, fan letters from girls make me happy too. Their happy chit chat is not bad too. But if I am swayed by their opinions then I  might lose my position in the shonen magazine, and would lose my value as a mangaka. About that, i am serious about it when i first  serialized the manga.

 

oda is such a wonderful writer with integrity  .. look at the wonderful passive aaggressive tone he uses towards this disastrous trend. i actually thought he's talking about kishimoney and studio hinarot, but this interview is in may 2013.

 

Wow. Kishi what happen? You should have taken your friend's advice.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 05 January 2015 - 08:08 AM.

[Khaleesi]

 

Fine have it your way  .  Also is this what you are trying  to say in a way with SK  that it doesn't matter bc they are both mentally unstable f**cked up in the head  total nutcases that have no moral ground  so they are Dark couple ? 

 

Hahahaha weeks ago  would fit with Takl's  assumption LOL .

 

As for our source it was here circulating  on this thread for some time ago  and its legit  I think 4life has them gathered on his tumblr account .

I'm playing the devil's advocate. it's not that "doesn't matter", it's f**cked up anyway, but as an "insane" couple, there is not really a "bad message".

 

idk, man. i don't care anymore

 

 

Sakura is just as insane then since she also forgave Sasuke after everything he put her through. No wait, Sakura said there was nothing to forgive so yeah, Sakura is also insane now. They fit together I guess lol.

This is not about the ending. But we all know the ending ruined every character anyway. Sakura didn't say that. She said "for what" and when sasuke explained himself she said "you better damn well be". but it's different. sakura can't let him go and wants to help him. she didn't approve sasuke's actions.   karin forgave him but she would have traveled with him and it's okay with sasuke's goals.

sakura is not "insane", she's depicted as someone that can't let him go no matter what. karin is the one that doesn't care if death is the destination of her love. sakura tries to pull sasuke back. karin will just follow him.

 

 

if it's anything but that then why did it happen in the first place? and i keep bringing it up because it's not something that can just be shoved under the rug and forgotten. it was a moment that could have resulted in her death.

 

it wasn't just the shocked expression that karin had, but also her questioning if that's all she is to sasuke. she looked heartbroken. and of course she forgave him, women aren't allowed to leave their first love anyway. also, sasuke apologized to sakura and she even asked what he was sorry for. sasuke apologized to both girls, big deal.

SIGHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that scene is important but it has nothing to do with their dynamic. i didn't say you should forget it either.

lmao, so he apologyzed twice so it's less meaningful? lol.

you really can't talk without letting your emotion interfere ._. i'll stop right here. i'm kittening tired.

 

 

I agree both Sasuke and Karin are insane and would fit together because of that. The thing is...I don't think their relationship would last since Sasuke might end up killing Karin or something. It's a very unappealing couple.

who cares if it last? that's not the point. unappealing for you. i believe they are a f**cked up but interesting pairing. even tho, i will say that i wanted him alone.

Edited by theunburnt, 05 January 2015 - 08:09 AM.

[luffyq1]

SIGHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that scene is important but it has nothing to do with their dynamic. i didn't say you should forget it either.

lmao, so he apologyzed twice so it's less meaningful? lol.

you really can't talk without letting your emotion interfere ._. i'll stop right here. i'm kittening tired.

but it does though. it puts into question if their kittened up dynamic can actually withstand the kittened up situation, and it didn't. karin showed a moment of weakness. she looked like she was completely done with sasuke after his craziness went to a level she clearly couldn't handle. i'm sure karin didn't know she was going to be discarded like a used slave the moment she woke up. 

 

no, he apologized to both girls, which means karin isn't exclusive to an apology from sasuke.

 

my emotions interfering? i feel calm xD. didn't you say you were done discussion this with me a few pages back anyway?

[FireFox]

I'm playing the devil's advocate. it's not that "doesn't matter", it's f**cked up anyway, but as an "insane" couple, there is not really a "bad message".

 

idk, man. i don't care anymore

That's what I meant  I don't care about SK nor its appealing or brings any positive message   but bc they were both kittened up mentally unstable due to going trough the same kitten yeah  I can see it playing  though   ugh! not my cup of tea  .  The thing  is  Sakura was made in the end to look insane pathetic delusional and what not  escaping from Sasuke should have been her progression development  sign.

 

WHY DAFUQ THIS DIDN'T STAY CANON  MY OTP  SASU X  SWORD- CHAN IN THE HEART     

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Tell you one thing when Kishi had his head intact with the first editor. It seems like Karin was able to get in Sasuke's face like no other girl has done in the serious. After the Sasuke obtained the MS, that is where Karin became more like a fangirl. It looks like Kishi wanted to develop SK to be a secondary NS pairing as he tried to picture it with Karin in Konoha cell bashing Sasuke's pic but was not allowed to do so because of his editors didn't want to see any Tsundere girl smacking Sasuke around because this could displeased Sasuke fans. And remember the RTN movie where Kishi originally left out Sasuke but the editor urged him to include Sasuke in the movie. I just wonder how much favoritism of Sasuke's character to Kishi.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 05 January 2015 - 08:26 AM.

[Atheck]

Again, who here thinks Junko will be participating in the next film or Part 3?

[Khaleesi]

but it does though. it puts into question if their f**cked up dynamic can actually withstand the f**cked up situation, and it didn't. karin showed a moment of weakness. she looked like she was completely done with sasuke after his craziness went to a level she clearly couldn't handle. i'm sure karin didn't know she was going to be discarded like a used slave the moment she woke up. 

 

no, he apologized to both girls, which means karin isn't exclusive to an apology from sasuke.

 

my emotions interfering? i feel calm xD. didn't you say you were done discussion this with me a few pages back anyway?

finally, something on topic: and that changed after she forgave him. do you remember Mad Love? Harley was also done with the Joker. He throw her out the window. She saw a flower and she felt in love again. The Joker has beaten Harley until she did the same to him and he was like "yeah, that's my girl, i'm gonna wife her".

 

and yet they are both the only ones. he said he didn't care if the rest didn't forgive him.

you kept saying nonsense, i couldn't resist. don't reply this time.

That's what I meant  I don't care about SK nor its appealing or brings any positive message   but bc they were both f**cked up mentally unstable due to going trough the same kitten yeah  I can see it playing  though   ugh! not my cup of tea  .  The thing  is  Sakura was made in the end to look insane pathetic delusional and what not  escaping from Sasuke should have been her progression development  sign.

 

WHY DAFUQ THIS DIDN'T STAY CANON  MY OTP  SASU X  SWORD- CHAN IN THE HEART     

nah, i don't believe is the same case as sakura. she is just too devoted to him. unlike karin, sakura wanted sasuke to be wth her with her own expectations. she's the typical "he does this but i know he's a good guy...i'll change him". karin is more like "he's kittening stupid but i don't care. i'll be at your side burning." 

 

Again, who here thinks Junko will be participating in the next film or Part 3?

No one. She said she wasn't.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Again, who here thinks Junko will be participating in the next film or Part 3?

 

She refused to voice Bolt. I think once the anime is over. Her job as a Naruto VA is over.

[FireFox]

finally, something on topic: and that changed after she forgave him. do you remember Mad Love? Harley was also done with the Joker. He throw her out the window. She saw a flower and she felt in love again. The Joker has beaten Harley until she did the same to him and he was like "yeah, that's my girl, i'm gonna wife her".

 

and yet they are both the only ones. he said he didn't care if the rest didn't forgive him.

you kept saying nonsense, i couldn't resist. don't reply this time.

nah, i don't believe is the same case as sakura. she is just too devoted to him. unlike karin, sakura wanted sasuke to be wth her with her own expectations. she's the typical "he does this but i know he's a good guy...i'll change him". karin is more like "he's kittening stupid but i don't care. i'll be at your side burning." 

 

No one. She said she wasn't.

Well if we putt it that way I see it as a different type of insanity : Pathetic Submisive delusionally  insane  a battered woman syndrome  that's Sakura  now , Karin is  mentally unstable psychotically insane   .   

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 05 January 2015 - 09:15 AM.

[luffyq1]

finally, something on topic: and that changed after she forgave him. do you remember Mad Love? Harley was also done with the Joker. He throw her out the window. She saw a flower and she felt in love again. The Joker has beaten Harley until she did the same to him and he was like "yeah, that's my girl, i'm gonna wife her".

 

and yet they are both the only ones. he said he didn't care if the rest didn't forgive him.

you kept saying nonsense, i couldn't resist. don't reply this time.

an apology wasn't needed, she would have continued loving him forever. women can't leave their first love, remember. karin isn't harley quinn, because if that was the case then karin would have tried to kill sasuke just like he did her. 

 

and yet he still apologized anyway, even starting a family with her. i guess he must have preferred the dynamic he shares with sakura over karin. so much for that.

 

you telling me not to reply only makes me want to reply even more. plus, i enjoy this discussion we're having.

 

and if i'm constantly off topic like you say i am, then what's the point of you continuing this discussion with me? 

Edited by luffyq1, 05 January 2015 - 08:50 AM.

[Atheck]

No one. She said she wasn't.

 

 

 

She refused to voice Bolt. I think once the anime is over. Her job as a Naruto VA is over.

 

Really? If the main seiyuu walks out then that means her character's appearances and use in Part 3 will be very limited to just non-speaking cameos until they can replace Junko with someone else. I wonder if that's the reason for Kishi undervaluing Naruto's character by claiming that his story is over since Sasuke returned.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

 

 

 

Really? If the main seiyuu walks out then that means her character's appearances and use in Part 3 will be very limited to just non-speaking cameos until they can replace Junko with someone else. I wonder if that's the reason for Kishi undervaluing Naruto's character by claiming that his story is over since Sasuke returned.

 

Well, everyone is treated Sasuke to be the MC that took over Naruto's story for a very long time.

[Atheck]

 

Well, everyone is treated Sasuke to be the MC that took over Naruto's story for a very long time.

 

Still, a film where Naruto makes few appearances and doesn't even speak won't sit well with fans. He's the titular character for a reason.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

 

Still, a film where Naruto makes few appearances and doesn't even speak won't sit well with fans. He's the titular character for a reason.

 

And Its just sad. The Japanese fans are letting The Last and the final chapter to get to them far too easily and how easily 698 chapters have been neglected.

 

The Japanese general fans sympathize Sarada from Sasuke and Sakura. Harshly as it may sound, they seem to forget what original made Sakura's character bad in the first place. Sasuke. Even if Sasuke is redeemed, her being paired up with him is meant as an insult to her character. many of The Japs fail to see that and the Festa SS family portrait just tells you that.

[Lady Lys]

What's with the rumor that Kishi rewrote the finale 3 months before november? Is it true? Where does it comes from?

 

 

Because you know.....it would make total sense.....

(but then what about the Last Asspull?)

[Atheck]

 

And Its just sad. The Japanese fans are letting The Last and the final chapter to get to them far too easily and how easily 698 chapters have been neglected.

 

The Japanese general fans sympathize Sarada from Sasuke and Sakura. Harshly as it may sound, they seem to forget what original made Sakura's character bad in the first place. Sasuke. Even if Sasuke is redeemed, her being paired up with him is meant as an insult to her character. many of The Japs fail to see that and the Festa SS family portrait just tells you that.

 

Well you heard what Rikudou explained earlier. The notion of a woman who endures the darkness and trauma of their husband is considered to be a positive love. Even if that's not the logic being used to justify SS in Japan's eyes, the plurality still supports it. People like Ramen do exist, but I would imagine that he's in the minority group of fans. Although depending on how Sasuke is treated in the next film, his reputation could go to the gutter as well.