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[arian_rad]

I might be the only one thinking this but I thought I would share it. I think the moment Sakura will fall in love with Naruto is when she re-thinks Yamato's words and completes it on her own. She could be thinking to herself about Naruto and realize that moment with a flashback of Yamato saying "sakura, it doesn't matter how big the things you do for Naruto are, what matters is how you great you feel about him. Hmph, sakura I can tell by just looking at you that you..." The flashback ends and sakura sais "love him....". That's always been on my mind that the completion of that sentence will show how Sakura turns to Naruto.

[sushi.]

Kishi inserts a lot of mythology in the manga, but only follows some of them.

 

The tale of the gallant Jiraiya for example, The sannin was heavily inspired by that story.

[Branden]

@Psychox: Thank you for the warm welcome!  （＾ｖ＾） though it looks like I accidentally violated the rules in just my second posting.. （ﾉ´д｀）

 

Btw Psychox, what do you think about this SasuSaku 'japanese myth evidence' here? Earlier you posted this cover of Sakura (chapter64) and initial draft of Hinata in page 227..

 

I saw that and was intrigued, because like what Chatte does with her theory of chapter 7's sakura's circle symbol linking with Hashi's is also spot on too, Sakura now have regenerative abilities like Hashi.. I hope she have a actual connection with him in later chapters..

 

So for this SasuSaku with it's 'japanese myth evidence' theory, I also put in other people's arguments to make this theory clearer.. This is my first attempt doing a debate/theory/etc so do bear with me..

 

 

 

And that guy's argument for NH/SS:

 

[[ She’s holding a fan… What does Uchiha mean? Fan. Who does Sakura like? Sasuke, an Uchiha.

And then there’s the Beach in the background & Sakura’s cherry blossom-patterned Clothing. That holds some significance also.

In shintoism, which the Uchiha have many connections to (Much like with Byakugan & Taoism and Rinnegan & Buddhism), Sasuke is represented by the god Ninigi, the grandson of Amaterasu.

Guess what? Ninigi finds and marries his wife, the goddess of cherry blossoms, on a beach.

Now, on to Hinata’s sketch, which was drawn in 1998, kishimoto's own character, which was NOT suggested by an editor.

Firstly, I’d like to say that this sketch of Hinata was drawn before Sakura & Sasuke were even created. Keep that in mind.

So, what’s in the image anyways? Well, Hinata is standing there, she’s looking shy like she usually does. But looking at the background, we see Naruto, staring at the Sun, which also has a spiral pattern on it. Hinata’s name (along with “Hyuga") means ”Place in the Sun’ or “Towards the Sun" ’ and this image depicts that meaning very well. We can also see Hinata wearing a necklace, which has a spiral pattern to it too, the same as the Uzumaki’s (and Naruto’s).

And she’s ALSO wearing rings….Wedding and Engagement rings maybe? ^_^ ]]

 

After seeing that I googled and found out that Ninigi is a Shinto God who is sent down from heaven by Amaterasu to pacify Japan by bringing the three celestial gifts used by the emperor. The sword Kusanagi, the mirror Yata no Kagami, and the jewel Yasakani no megatama. These three gifts signify that the emperor is the descendant of Amaterasu herself.

 

 

 

 

Itachi represents Amaterasu in this myth. He passes on the weapons. Itachi also initiated that Sasuke went to Orochimaru where he gained the Kusanagi sword. he removed Sasuke's cursed seal (called heaven seal) The former heaven curse seal represented Sasuke as Ninigi in heaven, so when fighting Itachi he lost the heaven seal = the myth where he was sent from heaven by Amaterasu..

 

Sasuke's mother's name is Uchiha Mikoto. Ninigi's full name is Ninigi no Mikoto. Ninigi was sent to earth so that he would restore order. I'm sure Itachi had the same intention with Sasuke. But even so, you know what the Uchiha family was famous for in Konoha; The Konoha military force. The Uchiha are associated with protecting, laws and order. The same responsibilities that Ninigi is connected with. The same thing that Sasuke wants to revive.

 

During Ninigi's mission on earth he met Kono Hana no Sakuya-hime (Princess Tree of Flower Blossom) on the seashore and they fell in love, and her symbol is the cherry blossom. Sakura's name translated means cherry blossom.

 

So the two heavenly weapons left from this theory are the shield Yata no Kagami and the jewel Yasakani no megatama.

 

 

Itachi used Yata's mirror here (Yata no Kagami basically translate into yata's mirror..)

 

 

 

and yasaka magatama here:

 

 

 

 

while Madara used a stronger version of yasaka magatama here

 

I doubt Sasuke have ever used that Yasaka Magatama kind of move, and Yata's Mirror is only used by Itachi as stated in the wiki.. but if you want to force this theory you can say Sasuke awakened his sharingan = tomoe design = the jewel Yasakani no megatama.

 

So yeah I believe like 70% of this theory, seeing how Kishimoto like to put in various Japanese myths into Naruto, like Susanoo, Amaterasu, kotoamatsukami being jutsus, or The Sannin, taken from Tales of gallant Jiraiya. Plus I remember seeing Naruto/Sasuke background with japanese gods, I'll update it here when I find the chapter. Naruto has been directly compared to a god (Fujin, deity of the wind) by Kishimoto, and Sasuke was compared to Raijin, deity of lightning

 

But even after saying all these, chapter 64's cover of Sakura holding that fan with the uchiha police symbol, being in a beach background still makes me worried for a SS ending lol.. :c

Wow that's very interesting. Perhaps I should read up more on this, sounds like a good story, reminds me a lot of the Greek gods. Anyways I don't really think much of it. I'm almost certain now that Kishi has had a lot of inspiration from these stories, but he's not just trying to copy them. SasuSaku may have been inspired from it, but in the actual manga we can see time and time again how unhealthy SasuSaku is portrayed.

 

Maybe once upon a time Kishi did draw Naruto and Hinata as a married couple, that's perfectly fine. The "Hinata" he drew back then is what inspired him to make the Hinata we know now. Hinata still has feelings for Naruto. And she still keeps the same nice shy girl look.

 

And who knows, maybe back in part 1 he was planning on making NaruHina the end pairing, but things have changed. Kishimoto is making it abundantly clear nowadays that NaruSaku is the endgame.

 

 

So yes, we can all agree that Kishi was inspired by these stories. But this isn't a copy paste, it's Kishimoto's story, and he can do whatever he wants with it.

[T XD]

SS is really a dead pairing. No, actually, it wasn't there from the start. That's how I see it cause it's obvious it doesn't work. These pics are just sketches that Kishi has drawn, and not meaning anything from them. Sakura in this pic is just looking pretty with a fan in her hand. Some tends to search for more to it just to make their pairing challenging and alive. That's all there's to it.

Edited by T XD, 30 July 2013 - 04:28 PM.

[rocci]

@hanabi
This is what I think about cover chapter 64, at that time is summer, so sakura go to beach using yukata(summer kimono) and using fan(uchiwa) who has a shuriken symbol on it, which happen to be a ninja symbol.
And about the mitology maybe kishi will follow it, or maybe not because all Shinto god kishi use in this manga always relate to jutsu or action scene.

And bijuu is youkai, hyuga use Taoism, rinnegan and senju using Buddhism, and naruto is messianism.

And ever since chapter 3, kishi make it clear who is the end pairing.

[Chatte]

Oh, that?! I didn't wanna go and debate it there but it means kinda nothing. And that pic of Hinata was to show that she was going to be the villager that was in love with Naruto, that's all.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh crap, lost my post. Short story, don't think too hard and lots of people here gets it. The beauty of NS is always straightforward, you can't miss it. That's why other pairings got to rely on what if. We do too but we do have moments that we can't change it, alas 631. No way you can twist it.

Bottom line: eh. I don't want to go deep. I bet Kishi is like "Huh?" at some of the theories. The point is don't make it into your side. See how it flows. Sadly for haters, it's in NS side.

[Inferno180]

Kishi inserts a lot of mythology in the manga, but only follows some of them.

 

The tale of the gallant Jiraiya for example, The sannin was heavily inspired by that story.

 

There us a ton of mythology in not only Naruto but also tons of other series.

 

I mean looking at Naruto, yes the Sannin themselves are based off the folklore of the real world tales of the Sannin, thats the most obvious, but others definiately include the tailed beasts, I mean Kurama as a kitsune, Naruto's prankster nature, the sexy jutsu being based on kitsunes taking the form of women, always keeping their promises if helped or if one makes a deal with them, Kushina is based off a legend (not sure what it is but its under her page on the wiki), Son Goku (the 4 tails) is both a build on the journey to the west and an active tribute/build off the Saiyan beast forms from Dragon Ball. The ten tails itself is based on a type of Yokai of tremendous proportions kinda like the titans of greek mythology. Theres plenty of mythology with the sharigan and its amterasu, tsukiomyi, sussano, izanagi, and izanami. Hell theres the whole ordeal of Heaven and Earth. Also a few weapons have some mythology too like Orochimarus sword, most likely some mythology behind the sage's 5 weapons too.

 

The sage of the 6 paths as a savior/messiah is nothing new, but obviously a popular model for many action series, the whole "chosen one" ordeal for one fated to save the world is a common trope in action series most likely built off of the roles some major religious figures had or similar folklore figures kinda like King Authur. Heck one thing I enjoyed about this trope was in Avatar and Korra, they have jokes with "Yeah yeah, chosen one, listened to it before, moving on." Like they know it already but they don't want to hear the full details.

 

Other series like Marvel just practically took a people from mythology to make a hero and villain, thor and loki, even hurcules, chronos, and so on, mythical figures have just been taken and used. DC did this too, just not the same full set of people but though both sides take gods, they still limit them. Is it funny to anyone if I said both Thor and Hurcles have been avengers and actually fought each other?

 

Heck two game series wrapped up in mythology are Final fantasy and Castlevanina, any game you can see a lot of popular mythological creatures like minotaurs, medusas, dragons, nagas, krakens, sea serpents, basically anything encompassing Europe or Asia you will see a good ordeal of mythology in these.

[Chatte]

The idea is that not everything is to be linked to mythology or stuff like that. You need to look at the context of the story/situation...

[HauntedCake]

Spoilerssssss i need spoillerrrsszzzzzzz

[TouKen4Life3g]

I need NS! But seriously, if the parallel does happen, the buildup to it is sure going higher and higher.

[Psychox]

@Psychox: Thank you for the warm welcome!  （＾ｖ＾） though it looks like I accidentally violated the rules in just my second posting.. （ﾉ´д｀）

 

Btw Psychox, what do you think about this SasuSaku 'japanese myth evidence' here? Earlier you posted this cover of Sakura (chapter64) and initial draft of Hinata in page 227..

 

I saw that and was intrigued, because like what Chatte does with her theory of chapter 7's sakura's circle symbol linking with Hashi's is also spot on too, Sakura now have regenerative abilities like Hashi.. I hope she have a actual connection with him in later chapters..

 

So for this SasuSaku with it's 'japanese myth evidence' theory, I also put in other people's arguments to make this theory clearer.. This is my first attempt doing a theory so do bear with me..

 

 

And that guy's argument for NH/SS:

 

[[ She’s holding a fan… What does Uchiha mean? Fan. Who does Sakura like? Sasuke, an Uchiha.

And then there’s the Beach in the background & Sakura’s cherry blossom-patterned Clothing. That holds some significance also.

In shintoism, which the Uchiha have many connections to (Much like with Byakugan & Taoism and Rinnegan & Buddhism), Sasuke is represented by the god Ninigi, the grandson of Amaterasu.

Guess what? Ninigi finds and marries his wife, the goddess of cherry blossoms, on a beach.

Now, on to Hinata’s sketch, which was drawn in 1998, kishimoto's own character, which was NOT suggested by an editor.

Firstly, I’d like to say that this sketch of Hinata was drawn before Sakura & Sasuke were even created. Keep that in mind.

So, what’s in the image anyways? Well, Hinata is standing there, she’s looking shy like she usually does. But looking at the background, we see Naruto, staring at the Sun, which also has a spiral pattern on it. Hinata’s name (along with “Hyuga") means ”Place in the Sun’ or “Towards the Sun" ’ and this image depicts that meaning very well. We can also see Hinata wearing a necklace, which has a spiral pattern to it too, the same as the Uzumaki’s (and Naruto’s).

And she’s ALSO wearing rings….Wedding and Engagement rings maybe? ^_^ ]]

 

After seeing that I googled and found out that Ninigi is a Shinto God who is sent down from heaven by Amaterasu to pacify Japan by bringing the three celestial gifts used by the emperor. The sword Kusanagi, the mirror Yata no Kagami, and the jewel Yasakani no megatama. These three gifts signify that the emperor is the descendant of Amaterasu herself.

 

 

 

 

Itachi represents Amaterasu in this myth. He passes on the weapons. Itachi also initiated that Sasuke went to Orochimaru where he gained the Kusanagi sword. he removed Sasuke's cursed seal (called heaven seal) The former heaven curse seal represented Sasuke as Ninigi in heaven, so when fighting Itachi he lost the heaven seal = the myth where he was sent from heaven by Amaterasu..

 

Sasuke's mother's name is Uchiha Mikoto. Ninigi's full name is Ninigi no Mikoto. Ninigi was sent to earth so that he would restore order. I'm sure Itachi had the same intention with Sasuke. But even so, you know what the Uchiha family was famous for in Konoha; The Konoha military force. The Uchiha are associated with protecting, laws and order. The same responsibilities that Ninigi is connected with. The same thing that Sasuke wants to revive.

 

During Ninigi's mission on earth he met Kono Hana no Sakuya-hime (Princess Tree of Flower Blossom) on the seashore and they fell in love, and her symbol is the cherry blossom. Sakura's name translated means cherry blossom.

 

So the two heavenly weapons left from this theory are the shield Yata no Kagami and the jewel Yasakani no megatama.

 

 

Itachi used Yata's mirror here (Yata no Kagami basically translate into yata's mirror..)

 

 

and yasaka magatama here:

 

 

 

while Madara used a stronger version of yasaka magatama here

 

 

I doubt Sasuke have ever used that Yasaka Magatama kind of move, and Yata's Mirror is only used by Itachi as stated in the wiki.. but if you want to force this theory of Sasuke = Ninigi I guess you can say Sasuke awakened his sharingan = tomoe design = the jewel Yasakani no megatama.

 

So yeah I believe like 50% of this theory, seeing how Kishimoto like to put in various Japanese myths into Naruto, like Susanoo, Amaterasu, kotoamatsukami being jutsus, or The Sannin, taken from Tales of gallant Jiraiya. The jewel Yasakani no megatama that Ninigi was given is in the form of the necklace, and it looks more possible kishi used this myth for Sage of 6 Paths.

 

 

 Also Naruto has been directly compared to a god called Fujin, deity of the wind, and Sasuke was compared to Raijin, deity of lightning

 

 

But even after saying all these, chapter 64's cover of Sakura holding that fan with the uchiha police symbol, being in a beach background still makes me worried for a SS ending lol.. :c

 

^^, no problem everybody is welcome here , the more the merrier ..

 

Now , a certain friend here told me not too look deeply into stuff and also we do believe in logic ,right?

 

 

Well this is just fanfiction/legend or what not, nothng more.. ive seen this a lot in NB , Tumblr and what not , but if we take a look at the manga , what does IT show us?

 

Were did kishi spent most of his time developing a relationship between the 3 main pairings?

 

What does NH have?What has changed in its dynamics?

 

Naruto is aware of Hinata's feelings he held her hand to give her chakra and tell his father that Sakura is his gf..

 

What did change in SS?

 

From the bench scene and the infamous ''thank you'' hasnt moved and inch further , no build up nothing..

 

In part 2 he tried to kill her more times than he has spoken to her directly..

 

There is no positive interaction since he left the village ( not that there was in part 1 , but that is IMO)

 

It seems to me certain SS fans either dwell in the past (part 1) or look solely towards the future SS (Sasuke’s redemption will fill the gap where development should have been). The present negativity is of no concern .

 

If you wanna read this you will know what i am talking about : http://bodegacowboy....le-in-the-manga

 

And what has changed in NS?

 

Well , we already know what ;). ":P

Edited by Psychox, 30 July 2013 - 06:34 PM.

[redragon88]

@Hanabi

 

As entertaining as it is to read your theory it seems you're trying to connect dots where there are none. When you relate Itachi to Amateratsu and Sasuke to Ninigi it looks as if you're trying to find similarities instead of pointing out the existence of them.

 

What has been presented is that Kishi likes to use Shinto mythology when creating the sharingan techniques, but as far as the Uchiha characters being related to the Gods, there's no indication of it.

 

And if Kishi was actually trying to recreate the relationship between Ninigi and Konohanasakuya through Sasuke and Sakura I'm pretty sure he would made Sasuke show some romantic feelings for her considering that Ninigi was very insistent about marring Konohanasakuya despite her father offering his other daughter to him.

[Inferno180]

The idea is that not everything is to be linked to mythology or stuff like that. You need to look at the context of the story/situation...

 

In any case, mythology in the real world only helps as a basis for either elements or themes in many of these stories. As many fans may think though its not really a basis for the limited romance in Naruto. I mean even with NaruSaku, the whole heaven and earth legends we have listened too, its more or less just relating to their complementary attributes to each other as Iruka once said and the bridge scene with the 4 tails event was just kinda a reason why NS is a good match up, they complment each other and display care, concern, and support for each other putting the other above themselves in situations like the 4 tails event, even though the bridge was called the heaven and earth bridge.

 

For all purposes, mythology just tends to serve as a model for many things in stories, in Naruto its just another one, but for the whole concept of romance for any pairing, its most likely not going to be driven like that. The only pairing in Naruto driven by a popluar mythology is the red thread of fate relating towards MinaKushi, not going to be presented in the same theme like NaruSaku, cause well NaruSaku is older and it has its own model but the MinaKushi is more like a repetition of NaruSaku in the past, just that MinaKushi had a small classic love myth put on it to give it a bit of a vibe. But for all those hunting in mythology to make sense of a pairing for Naruto, its not going to work like that. All i was saying before though was that regardless of the themes, many things in Naruto and many other series tend to draw a lot from mythology from time to time.

[Canadian_DJ]

@Psychox: Thank you for the warm welcome!  though it looks like I accidentally violated the rules in just my second posting.. ´д
 
Btw Psychox, what do you think about this SasuSaku 'japanese myth evidence' here? Earlier you posted this cover of Sakura (chapter64) and initial draft of Hinata in page 227..
 
I saw that and was intrigued, because like what Chatte does with her theory of chapter 7's sakura's circle symbol linking with Hashi's is also spot on too, Sakura now have regenerative abilities like Hashi.. I hope she have a actual connection with him in later chapters..
 
So for this SasuSaku with it's 'japanese myth evidence' theory, I also put in other people's arguments to make this theory clearer.. This is my first attempt doing a theory so do bear with me..
 
 
And that guy's argument for NH/SS:
 
[[ Shes holding a fan What does Uchiha mean? Fan. Who does Sakura like? Sasuke, an Uchiha.

And then theres the Beach in the background & Sakuras cherry blossom-patterned Clothing. That holds some significance also.

In shintoism, which the Uchiha have many connections to (Much like with Byakugan & Taoism and Rinnegan & Buddhism), Sasuke is represented by the god Ninigi, the grandson of Amaterasu.

Guess what? Ninigi finds and marries his wife, the goddess of cherry blossoms, on a beach.

Now, on to Hinatas sketch, which was drawn in 1998, kishimoto's own character, which was NOT suggested by an editor.

Firstly, Id like to say that this sketch of Hinata was drawn before Sakura & Sasuke were even created. Keep that in mind.

So, whats in the image anyways? Well, Hinata is standing there, shes looking shy like she usually does. But looking at the background, we see Naruto, staring at the Sun, which also has a spiral pattern on it. Hinatas name (along with Hyuga") means Place in the Sun or Towards the Sun" and this image depicts that meaning very well. We can also see Hinata wearing a necklace, which has a spiral pattern to it too, the same as the Uzumakis (and Narutos).

And shes ALSO wearing rings.Wedding and Engagement rings maybe? ^_^ ]]
 
After seeing that I googled and found out that Ninigi is a Shinto God who is sent down from heaven by Amaterasu to pacify Japan by bringing the three celestial gifts used by the emperor. The sword Kusanagi, the mirror Yata no Kagami, and the jewel Yasakani no megatama. These three gifts signify that the emperor is the descendant of Amaterasu herself.
 

 
 
 
Itachi represents Amaterasu in this myth. He passes on the weapons. Itachi also initiated that Sasuke went to Orochimaru where he gained the Kusanagi sword. he removed Sasuke's cursed seal (called heaven seal) The former heaven curse seal represented Sasuke as Ninigi in heaven, so when fighting Itachi he lost the heaven seal = the myth where he was sent from heaven by Amaterasu..
 
Sasuke's mother's name is Uchiha Mikoto. Ninigi's full name is Ninigi no Mikoto. Ninigi was sent to earth so that he would restore order. I'm sure Itachi had the same intention with Sasuke. But even so, you know what the Uchiha family was famous for in Konoha; The Konoha military force. The Uchiha are associated with protecting, laws and order. The same responsibilities that Ninigi is connected with. The same thing that Sasuke wants to revive.
 
During Ninigi's mission on earth he met Kono Hana no Sakuya-hime (Princess Tree of Flower Blossom) on the seashore and they fell in love, and her symbol is the cherry blossom. Sakura's name translated means cherry blossom.
 
So the two heavenly weapons left from this theory are the shield Yata no Kagami and the jewel Yasakani no megatama.
 
 
Itachi used Yata's mirror here (Yata no Kagami basically translate into yata's mirror..)
 

 
and yasaka magatama here:
 

 
 
while Madara used a stronger version of yasaka magatama here
 

 
I doubt Sasuke have ever used that Yasaka Magatama kind of move, and Yata's Mirror is only used by Itachi as stated in the wiki.. but if you want to force this theory of Sasuke = Ninigi I guess you can say Sasuke awakened his sharingan = tomoe design = the jewel Yasakani no megatama.
 
So yeah I believe like 50% of this theory, seeing how Kishimoto like to put in various Japanese myths into Naruto, like Susanoo, Amaterasu, kotoamatsukami being jutsus, or The Sannin, taken from Tales of gallant Jiraiya. The jewel Yasakani no megatama that Ninigi was given is in the form of the necklace, and it looks more possible kishi used this myth for Sage of 6 Paths.
 

 
 Also Naruto has been directly compared to a god called Fujin, deity of the wind, and Sasuke was compared to Raijin, deity of lightning
 

 
But even after saying all these, chapter 64's cover of Sakura holding that fan with the uchiha police symbol, being in a beach background still makes me worried for a SS ending lol.. :c

Im sorry but the hinata part is the biggest load of BS I've heard in a long time, it is by far the most desperate conjecturious (if that even makes sense) argument I've heard in a long time. Its all wish talk. First of all, it was NEVER said that kishimoto created hinata before sasuke or even sakura! This image was drawn by kishimoto and the image is captioned in japanese that hinata was supposed to be a civilian and that he added her to team 8 since she was available (although it would be better if megi translates whats written) The only information kishimoto gave us was that he created naruto and kakashi and sakira first but the story wasnt progressing so the editor suggested a rival. Why are they putting hinata on a pedestal, its absolutely ridiculous amd laughable. I dont even know why they're trying to make something out of hinata when kishimoto doesnt emphasis on the damn girl. Plus that artwork is 15 years old or more, if kishi really meant to have romance for hinata he wouldve started in part 2 since thats when he said he'd focus more on romance. But nevermind that since hinata is a usless side character. Oh and hinata isnt wearing an egagment ring. Its not on her ring finger, and shes wearing TWO rings not one! Geez, this is common sense. Oh and naruto being in the background symbolises how hinata is always revolving around naruto. Thats it. Bull kitten man.

Kishimoto used the old jiraya folk tale and based it off of the sanin in naruto which naruto sakura and sasuke are based off of (the new three way deadlock). We have all the development between naruto and sakura and not to mention the jiraya folktale, and all the parallels and how naruto and sakura are "heaven and earth" which balance eachother out. So no. That argument is debunked.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 30 July 2013 - 07:21 PM.

[Psychox]

@DJ  We all know why they put her on a pedestal, its because of the big boobies ^^..

[TouKen4Life3g]

Make no mistake, mythology is what he uses in his work, but don't get carry away with the idea that somehow gets love in the mix. The closest you can get is Heaven and Earth because Naruto and Sakura were actually connected to it. Lately H&E is being surfaced over and over again and lately, love aspect is being around as well. Sadly, it's being surfacing around NS as SS seems to be at its end.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Im sorry but the hinata part is the biggest load of BS I've heard in a long time, it is by far the most desperate conjecturious (if that even makes sense) argument I've heard in a long time. Its all wish talk. First of all, it was NEVER said that kishimoto created hinata before sasuke or even sakura! This image was drawn by kishimoto and the image is captioned in japanese that hinata was supposed to be a civilian and that he added her to team 8 since she was available (although it would be better if megi translates whats written) The only information kishimoto gave us was that he created naruto and kakashi and sakira first but the story wasnt progressing so the editor suggested a rival. Why are they putting hinata on a pedestal, its absolutely ridiculous amd laughable. I dont even know why they're trying to make something out of hinata when kishimoto doesnt emphasis on the damn girl. Plus that artwork is 15 years old or more, if kishi really meant to have romance for hinata he wouldve started in part 2 since thats when he said he'd focus more on romance. But nevermind that since hinata is a usless side character. Oh and hinata isnt wearing an egagment ring. Its not on her ring finger, and shes wearing TWO rings not one! Geez, this is common sense. Oh and naruto being in the background symbolises how hinata is always revolving around naruto. Thats it. Bull kitten man.

Kishimoto used the old jiraya folk tale and based it off of the sanin in naruto which naruto sakura and sasuke are based off of (the new three way deadlock). We have all the development between naruto and sakura and not to mention the jiraya folktale, and all the parallels and how naruto and sakura are "heaven and earth" which balance eachother out. So no. That argument is debunked.

The same, i felt more that SS is dead too, Sakura got too many reality checks about this pairing, i mean no one ever confronted about Naruto's feelings for Sakura on a negative way, even we had when they made the promise but it turned out to not make Naruto think about giving up on her, but Sakura is totally the opposite, Sai, fodder ninja, Yamato i forgot how many people give reality checks on Sakura about why she should not love Sasuke, the first was about her feelings for Naruto and the last about loving someome who's a good guy/great guy and finnaly Sai giving another reality check about Sakura's true feelings about Sasuke's return (not trusting him) so it's impossible to turn all this on a filler and forgive and forget, also and add her feelings for Naruto, Kishimoto just kept adding more and more obstacles towards SS and killing it with murder attempts and Sasuke acting like a jerk and being selfish, even Naruto is an obstacle to SS.

It's more easy the story end with NaruIno than SS being canon srsly, he even made SHINO hate him how could Sakura just pretend that nothing happened at all.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 July 2013 - 11:40 PM.

[Inferno180]

The same, i felt more that SS is dead too, Sakura got too many reality checks about this pairing, i mean no one ever confronted about Naruto's feelings for Sakura on a negative way, even we had when they made the promise but it turned out to not make Naruto think about giving up on her, but Sakura is totally the opposite, Sai, fodder ninja, Yamato i forgot how many people give reality checks on Sakura about why she should not love Sasuke, the first was about her feelings for Naruto and the last about loving someome who's a good guy/great guy and finnaly Sai giving another reality check about Sakura's true feelings about Sasuke's return (not trusting him) so it's impossible to turn all this on a filler and forgive and forget, also and add her feelings for Naruto, Kishimoto just kept adding more and more obstacles towards SS and killing it with murder attempts and Sasuke acting like a jerk and being selfish, even Naruto is an obstacle to SS.

It's more easy the story end with NaruIno than SS being canon srsly, he even made SHINO hate him how could Sakura just pretend that nothing happened at all.

 

Even though its non-canon even the road to ninja drama CD with Sasuke's AU counterpart, has AU Ino saying Sakura deserves someone better like "Menma" because he is like Minato. Guess we could say AU Ino ships NaruSaku? MenaSaku? Still the same in the end....

 

But yeah there is a lot coming, as of right now, the one argument of Sakura being the only girl canonically compared to Kushina is enough for people to keep a look out at NS. Its funny over all the arguments 631 gave from any side, this simple fact was often overlooked. Its there, plain simple, not bias or a lie, Sakura is the only girl thus far to the present currently attributed or compared to Kushina, the only girl, and as far as Kushinas words go, this is a step ahead of the others even if NS has its flaws.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly, if Rin = Sakura happens and I was a hater, I will give up. While Kushina = Sakura is more effective, the idea of using the first parallel for a plot development would be staggering. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but that would be something that I would start hating on Kishi. Again, if I was a hater.