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[DrK]

Kishimoto bullies everyone tbh. Almost everything he says comes off negatively after the ending.

But why would he be negative? He just finished his life's work that he ended exactly how he wanted to! The way that he planned it all along. He should be ecstatic! What's the problem?

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Lmao refer to the master piece I wrote in 2014, "How the grinchmoto stole christmas."

http://www.narusaku....4&hl=grinchmoto

He wanted to torpedo the series, he wanted to be left alone, and when his plan didn't work out he got even saltier and nastier.

[ultranx]

But....Kishimoto said in an interview that they were not happy. He said that there is no reason why they are together, Sakura is a drug addict, and they could get a divorce. How is this even an argument on this?

And I am not even talking about Sasuke not being home at all, Sasuke not even being able to touch his wife,  Sakura looking miserable and upset whenever their relationship is called into questions, and even Naruto telling Sasuke "Would it kill you to go home everyone once and a while?"

Not even looking at story visual, but story elements.

Now is NH unhappy? That one is debatable. However, while I can't say on what Kishimoto thinks because he hasnm't said either way unlike SS, it is apparenty in Gaiden that Naruto seems to have a brighter disposition around Salad and Sakura than he does his own kids and family....so what does that tell?

If we are going to play the intent game, then why don't we do this with every story element? What was the intent with Sakura confession? What was the intent of Sasuke speech in chapter 693? What was the intent of Sasuke and Naruto holding hands at the end with their blood? What was the intent of  Minato making note of Sakura and how she was like Kushina? What was the intent of the entire story? Do you really accept that Kishimoto's intent was an entire red herring?

Just the fact that we argue intent is enough for me to say "There is something wrong here" especially with the fandom in such disarray

 

Which is what I said. Did you even read the post in it's entirely or any of the other posts I made around that one?

I mean, I even brought up the fact that there are different timeline in the DBZ story thanks toTtrunks who changed it. You have one timeline where Goku died of a heart disease and almost all the Z fighters were killed except for Gohan and Trunks was from that one. You have a timeline where Trunks defeated the androids, cell killed trunks and took his time machine, and you have two more timelines with the one we are on now and another one with a different outcome of Cell's original timeline.  Why couldn't GT be one of these? You can also have Super be the timeline A with Trunks and the rest being B,C,D,E.

Did you not understand this?
 

I wasn't even talking about the Death battle at all, so why are you even bringing it up? All I mentioned was the timeline in DBZ can be seen something similar to the timelines in DC and could explain alot of things. Since Trunks proved this in the series itself I would like to think this is the case. GT is canon, but it is of a different timeline.

You say you don't want to argue about it and yet you're the one that brought it up. You say you don't care who won, but you're the one that brought it up. Obviously, you have some major issues with it all and I can see you're a very much Pro-Goku, Anti-Superman, Pro-Goku should have won crowd. Wiz and

Whiz and Boomstick have said in a discussion that they are Goku fans all the way. That they find Superman boring and don't like him at all. Like many other DBZ fanboys. they said he is too OP. Yet, you want to claim something that they said the opposite of.

Wizard Magazine said that Goku would beat Superman because Superman would die from a fall from orbit. Do you think that is not biased or do you think that is spot on? Even though Superman has survived being thrown from orbit . "Oh look, he stood up moments later being more pissed off than hurt."

Again, you're the one bringing this up. I made the Superman Q and A thread for a reason so go there if you want facts and traits. So what if I am nitpicking Super apart. You're nitpicking Superman apart even right now and I don't give a kitten.

 

I will say this one last time
It doesn't matter about the calculations. Goku and Superman do not fit the same mold. Goku has NEVER been invinicble. His entire character structure is breaking limits and overcoming his own limitations through training and hardwork. Superman is not that same type of hero. Superman is a type of hero that who wins by showing that he is better than the villains he fights. He is suppsoed to the show the best we can be. It is not whether or not he loses a fight, but whether he is doing the right thing. Superman will always find a way to win. He has been around for 75+ years.

A man who can overcome any limit vs a man who has no limits in the first place. End of story.

For the record, I believe Saitama can beat Goku because of the same concept. Saitama is meant to be limitless regardless if he is a satire or not. The idea is is that Saitama is meant to beat any opposition thrown at him. End of story. I am sorry you don't accept this and you don't have to. You can continue to believe Goku is the strongest character to have ever been made...that's fine. I am not gonna change your opinion just like you can't change mine. We are going to keep going in circles.The only difference now is that I don't care anymore, but you do. So either find your own answers or shut up. I am done with the arguing, but you keep bringing it up.

I think Superman can beat Goku without breaking a sweat, you think Goku can beat Superman without breaking a sweat. If that is what helps you sleep at night, fine.

Just stop already.

 

I think goku can beat certain versions of superman but not beat superman period without breaking a sweat, but even then I find the fights pointless, they're both heroes, they wouldn't ever fight, I think it'd be more likely they'd team up, I'd prefer a hero vs villain fight, I've always found the whole goku vs superman thing dumb. I have said this several times but you don't seem to take the hint. I nitpick the superman 1 million thing and the calcs on goku to prove death battle is not accurate, has nothing to do with me wanting one of them to win, I will say it again, I don't care who wins, I find the whole idea of the fight dumb. I don't even like death battle period. all they ever do is make the videos to get a rise out of the fandoms to cause more fandom wars, now ever since  that goku vs superman battle both fandoms are always  at war, its dumb. I can't even go on a dbz abridged video without superman being brought up.

 

 

seriously you keep going on and on about how I'm such a dbz fanboy and want superman to lose, but here's the difference between me and you, I don't treat death battle as fact, you do, you care about versus debates, I find them boring and pointless, you think I'm wasting my time debunking superman and arguing with you, when all I've been doing is enjoying sonic forces and pokemon ultra sun and I come back to you starting another of your superman arguments. I used to like superman, you though are actually making me hate superman because of how you keep acting and treating me like a dbz fanboy if I even criticize death battle, enough is enough dude, stop, just stop. I liked superman when he wasn't this all perfect being you make him out to be, I prefer the shows and movies, but I am more knowledgeable about dbz, I have all of dbz memorized, it was my favorite show, but I admit goku isn't perfect and can be beaten, but I also don't downplay any feats any character in dbz is capable of, nor do I do it for superman. Now can you finally drop this whole superman argument thing please?

I have autism okay, one trait of autism is you're really passionate about something to the point you want to know everything there is to know about it, for me, that's dragon ball, I am knowledgeable about dragon ball, and can tell when death battle gets something wrong. that's all, I don't give a crap about goku losing, I just don't like how he was nerfed. same with the sonic vs mario death battle, sonic should have cut through mario like butter with a single sonic spin because mario is a human being, he isn't more durable than eggman's robots. its not about who wins or loses, its about getting it right.

Edited by ultranx, 23 November 2017 - 02:15 AM.

[DrK]

same with the sonic vs mario death battle, sonic should have cut through mario like butter with a single sonic spin because mario is a human being, he isn't more durable than eggman's robots. its not about who wins or loses, its about getting it right.

That's not really them getting the abilities wrong as much as it's a betrayal of their own concept, e.g. a fight to the death  Sonic clearly didn't have killing intent to begin with

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

That's not really them getting the abilities wrong as much as it's a betrayal of their own concept, e.g. a fight to the death  Sonic clearly didn't have killing intent to begin with

 

Well, sometimes it isn't clear on that, since it IS just a kind of "What If?" that happens.

[ultranx]

That's not really them getting the abilities wrong as much as it's a betrayal of their own concept, e.g. a fight to the death  Sonic clearly didn't have killing intent to begin with

actually for example they used snake way to calculate his max speed when he was much faster than that on namek and outdid burter who stated in the manga he was faster than light. then on top of that you calculate all the boosts from the transformations, the portrayal isn't the only thing they got wrong, they got the calcs off a bit too. and even if they didn't follow the burter being faster than light feat, they didn't take into account weighted clothing or having to apply the gravity training calcs to his speed since that would include his leg strength being enhanced too. pretty sure they never stopped wearing weighted clothing, piccolo still has the weighted cape. they just counted snake way as the top speed of his base form though. think of it like the android 18 death battle where they had captain marvel using binary and had android 18 absorbing energy, they messed up that death battle for example.

Edited by ultranx, 23 November 2017 - 04:58 AM.

[DrK]

actually for example they used snake way to calculate his max speed when he was much faster than that on namek and outdid burter who stated in the manga he was faster than light. then on top of that you calculate all the boosts from the transformations, the portrayal isn't the only thing they got wrong, they got the calcs off a bit too. and even if they didn't follow the burter being faster than light feat, they didn't take into account weighted clothing or having to apply the gravity training calcs to his speed since that would include his leg strength being enhanced too. pretty sure they never stopped wearing weighted clothing, piccolo still has the weighted cape.

A difference with the base speed number they used would have huge implications mathematically, yeah, but I was really only talking about the Sonic one.

Edited by DrK, 23 November 2017 - 04:59 AM.

[ultranx]

A difference with the base speed number they used would have huge implications mathematically, yeah, but I was really only talking about the Sonic one.

ah okay gotcha. sorry when I read it I somehow skimmed over when you said sonic xD 

Edited by ultranx, 23 November 2017 - 05:02 AM.

[AHK]

AHK is welcome to, should he wish to.
 
Comforted is certainly the right word. I find the complaint about it really weak.

Lmao the only thing I wish is for you to make a decent point. You’ve spent months here and haven’t managed that once.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Lmao the only thing I wish is for you to make a decent point. You’ve spent months here and haven’t managed that once.

 

I know what you mean, AHK. I can get why she is as she is, but it is getting old.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Hinata said she'd stand beside Naruto and not behind him. She does stand beside him in the war, and then after the ending Kishi bullies Hinata fans by saying naah she's the one who watches from the shadows.

 

I actually feel sorry for them, even if they like our rival pairing Kishimoto is too petty and mocking his own fans.

Hinata even said that after the war was over, she would stop pursuing Naruto, but we've seen how much promises are truly worth by the end.
 

 

That's not really them getting the abilities wrong as much as it's a betrayal of their own concept, e.g. a fight to the death  Sonic clearly didn't have killing intent to begin with

One of the main things about DEATH BATTLE! that a lot of people forget is that the animated battle is purely for entertainment purposes while displaying some of the research results, thus some liberties will more than likely be taken in order to make it a decent length and/or to add "cool factor" and such. It's not what actually decides the victor though.

I mean, in Red & Charizard vs. Tai & Agumon, you had Mega Charizard X's Flare Blitz somehow stalemate WarGreymon's Brave Tornado attack. We're talking about a Pokemon attack that is virtually nothing more than a Body Slam, but with fire covering the body, somehow matching an attack from an Ultimate / Mega level Digimon that was able to effortlessly plow its way through MetalSeadramon's River of Power attack (which can effortlessly destroy entire large islands with a single shot), another Ultimate / Mega level Digimon who was on WarGreymon's level, easily breaking through his Chrome Digizoid armor, drill all the way through the length of his body, and out the other side, killing MetalSeadramon with a single blow.

What truly decides the outcome of the match-ups is the research done beforehand. Again, it's hardly 100% perfect, but I'd much sooner believe them, or at least give them the benefit of the doubt, over the tons of biased YouTube comments who hardly ever present any shown and proven, in-universe facts to support their statements and claims on why the losing combatant "should have won".

[DrK]

I mean, in Red & Charizard vs. Tai & Agumon, you had Mega Charizard X's Flare Blitz somehow stalemate WarGreymon's Brave Tornado attack. We're talking about a Pokemon attack that is virtually nothing more than a Body Slam, but with fire covering the body, somehow matching an attack from an Ultimate / Mega level Digimon that was able to effortlessly plow its way through MetalSeadramon's River of Power attack (which can effortlessly destroy entire large islands with a single shot), another Ultimate / Mega level Digimon who was on WarGreymon's level, easily breaking through his Chrome Digizoid armor, drill all the way through the length of his body, and out the other side, killing MetalSeadramon with a single blow.

I don't know anything about Digimon, but yeah, that's patently absurd.

[sushi.]

Kishimoto bullies everyone tbh. Almost everything he says comes off negatively after the ending.

At least we're not fans anymore.

[Shashank95]

actually for example they used snake way to calculate his max speed when he was much faster than that on namek and outdid burter who stated in the manga he was faster than light. then on top of that you calculate all the boosts from the transformations, the portrayal isn't the only thing they got wrong, they got the calcs off a bit too. and even if they didn't follow the burter being faster than light feat, they didn't take into account weighted clothing or having to apply the gravity training calcs to his speed since that would include his leg strength being enhanced too. pretty sure they never stopped wearing weighted clothing, piccolo still has the weighted cape. they just counted snake way as the top speed of his base form though. think of it like the android 18 death battle where they had captain marvel using binary and had android 18 absorbing energy, they messed up that death battle for example.

 

Goku stomps Supes (New 52 and possible Post Crisis) Supes has been knocked out by planet busting punches and stars exploding in his face. Goku's punches are galaxy plus cause him and Beerus clashing sent shockwaves that destroyed planets and could be felt by the Kais. SSG Goku has FTL combat and reaction speed. He easily caught Dyspo who was stated to be faster than light. He UI powerup was shaking an infinite void by him just exerting some Ki.

Supes doesn't have FTL combat speed and the only times he reaches FTL is when he is flying in a straight line and in space. 

Superman fans need to read up on DBS or watch DBS before they say stuff like this.

[Illnevergiveup3]

I think goku can beat certain versions of superman but not beat superman period without breaking a sweat, but even then I find the fights pointless, they're both heroes, they wouldn't ever fight, I think it'd be more likely they'd team up, I'd prefer a hero vs villain fight, I've always found the whole goku vs superman thing dumb. I have said this several times but you don't seem to take the hint. I nitpick the superman 1 million thing and the calcs on goku to prove death battle is not accurate, has nothing to do with me wanting one of them to win, I will say it again, I don't care who wins, I find the whole idea of the fight dumb. I don't even like death battle period. all they ever do is make the videos to get a rise out of the fandoms to cause more fandom wars, now ever since  that goku vs superman battle both fandoms are always  at war, its dumb. I can't even go on a dbz abridged video without superman being brought up.
 
 
seriously you keep going on and on about how I'm such a dbz fanboy and want superman to lose, but here's the difference between me and you, I don't treat death battle as fact, you do, you care about versus debates, I find them boring and pointless, you think I'm wasting my time debunking superman and arguing with you, when all I've been doing is enjoying sonic forces and pokemon ultra sun and I come back to you starting another of your superman arguments. I used to like superman, you though are actually making me hate superman because of how you keep acting and treating me like a dbz fanboy if I even criticize death battle, enough is enough dude, stop, just stop. I liked superman when he wasn't this all perfect being you make him out to be, I prefer the shows and movies, but I am more knowledgeable about dbz, I have all of dbz memorized, it was my favorite show, but I admit goku isn't perfect and can be beaten, but I also don't downplay any feats any character in dbz is capable of, nor do I do it for superman. Now can you finally drop this whole superman argument thing please?
I have autism okay, one trait of autism is you're really passionate about something to the point you want to know everything there is to know about it, for me, that's dragon ball, I am knowledgeable about dragon ball, and can tell when death battle gets something wrong. that's all, I don't give a crap about goku losing, I just don't like how he was nerfed. same with the sonic vs mario death battle, sonic should have cut through mario like butter with a single sonic spin because mario is a human being, he isn't more durable than eggman's robots. its not about who wins or loses, its about getting it right.

with all that being said... Superman RAPESTOMPS.

[Illnevergiveup3]

 
Goku stomps Supes (New 52 and possible Post Crisis) Supes has been knocked out by planet busting punches and stars exploding in his face. Goku's punches are galaxy plus cause him and Beerus clashing sent shockwaves that destroyed planets and could be felt by the Kais. SSG Goku has FTL combat and reaction speed. He easily caught Dyspo who was stated to be faster than light. He UI powerup was shaking an infinite void by him just exerting some Ki.

Supes doesn't have FTL combat speed and the only times he reaches FTL is when he is flying in a straight line and in space. 

Superman fans need to read up on DBS or watch DBS before they say stuff like this.

we are NS family and all, but from your statements, I could tell you do not read a lick of Superman comics and get all of your information from Comic Vine. Your last statement is pretty ironic. Superman rapestomps. Any version.

 

Superman has never been knocked out from planet busting punches. I assume you're talking about Hawkman hitting him with the Eye of Horus, it was confirmed that Superman faked getting knocked out. He got knocked out by a Supernova when he was MUCH younger. A more developed Superman of Post-Crisis has survived getting hit by a Supernova 50 times more powerful than a regular Supernova while losing his powers under a red sun. 

 

New-52 Superman would rip Goku in half. He tanked an onslaught from both Faora and Zod who was amped and Superman was weakened, and then proceeded to no sell a nuke. He ripped Doomsday in half with ease, not to mention tanked attacks from H'el who went through a black star, which at minimum automatically makes a Kryptonian 3 times or more stronger than a Yellow Star does . Braniac tossed Superman across the entire universe which Superman survived and then he Withstood the pressure from a double black hole and still flew around through space without sunlight from the edge of the universe.  Flew all the way from Vega back to Earth and made it there before the Outlaws who was able to go from place to place in an instant. And so much more. 

 

Goku was able to catch  Dypso you say? Superman was able to catch  The Flash. Superman has attosecond+ reaction time. That's on par with The Flash. 

 

Superman has faced gods, magical beings, reality warpers, etc. and wins everytime. He's faced much bigger threats than Goku or anyone in the DBZverse. 

 

New-52 Superman would rip Goku in half, let alone Post-Crisis Supes. Any Superman  could run through the DBZverse with utmost ease. 

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 24 November 2017 - 05:18 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

we are NS family and all, but from your statements, I could tell you do not read a lick of Superman comics and get all of your information from Comic Vine. Your last statement is pretty ironic. Superman rapestomps. Any version.

Agreed and one proof is he can tank Darkseid omega beams and that a one hit k.o. and can track who ever it's launched at. And if someone says goku could lead it back to him supergirl did that and they hit Darkseid and it did nothing.
Now I really want to see Superman vs naruto given how both are op but I feel Superman still wins.

Edited by VanitasDS76491, 23 November 2017 - 04:16 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

At least we're not fans anymore.

It's pretty much precisely that he bullied us that we're not fans between those last 50 chapters and how every post interview was just more shade thrown at Sakura fans and NS fans, it's like he was taking ever opportunity to rub our faces in mud.

This is just my humble opinion but, Goku is an idiot, SM should be able to work circles around him given his rivalry/friendship with Batman.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 23 November 2017 - 04:23 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Guys lets try to stay on topic here okay neither would fight cause they are good guys end off. So lets stay on the topic of NaruSaku alright?

[winter-serenade]

Just stopped by to give a daily reminder that NaruSaku should have been canon~