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[LadyGT]

I remember I saw few comments from that guy on the matter, but I just don't remember which video it was. I think tumblr led me there.

But yes, he sounded quite serious about it, though I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.

[Beastbomb]

Be funny if the NS moments happens in chapter 646.

[Hanabi]

what's more funny is right now in narutobase romance thread, people are still trying to match hinata with kushina lol!

 

totally reminds me of the hitler parody video

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"I have written 25 rants.. about how naruhina is like minakushi..and it was legit kitten okay!" Laughed my head off that video xD

 

it seems that yondaime approval seal is not big enough for them huh xD

Edited by Hanabi, 30 July 2013 - 08:49 AM.

[arian_rad]

what's more funny is right now in narutobase romance thread, people are still trying to match hinata with kushina lol!
 

totally reminds me of the hitler parody video
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"I have written 25 rants.. about how naruhina is like minakushi..and it was legit kitten okay!" Laughed my head off that video xD
 
it seems that yondaime approval seal is not big enough for them hinatards huh xD

Again, no matter how much the manga confirms it, as I've said they will rant on and on about how naruhina is like minakushi. Half of them will say hinata is like kushina and the other half saying she's like Minato when she is absolutely like none of them. Sakura is the only girl canonically compared to kushina and Naruto is the only boy canonically compared to Minato. It's so simple a 4th grader could figure it out. Eh, to each their own, I just hope the end result doesn't hit them too hard. They are definitely one confusing ship to understand and put legit reasoning behind. Funny part is that half of them say parallels don't matter yet they shove it down their own faces that hinata is like minato or kushina. Double standards, double standards everywhere.

Btw, don't think my response counts as "bashing" but just an opinion.

Edited by arian_rad, 30 July 2013 - 04:18 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This is somewhat off-topic but I'll try to connect it. Ok, for whatever reason in NF, the hot topic is about Legend of Korra. Apparently, we are discussing about pairing. Now for those who watched the show, you know what went down. That said would you like NS if it went down the same way as the show? Not the length like how in that show it took like 1 episode to make love reality, rather the way it went down (example like kissing the guy who is already dating). Just thought of changing the mood here.

[HauntedCake]

Wouldn't it be funny if 645 turns out to be a pro NH/SS chapter? Buhahah

 

[LadyGT]

This is somewhat off-topic but I'll try to connect it. Ok, for whatever reason in NF, the hot topic is about Legend of Korra. Apparently, we are discussing about pairing. Now for those who watched the show, you know what went down. That said would you like NS if it went down the same way as the show? Not the length like how in that show it took like 1 episode to make love reality, rather the way it went down (example like kissing the guy who is already dating). Just thought of changing the mood here.

Well Legend of Korra is mostly about shipping. I mean, Korra and Mako kissed in the 5th episode of the series. It really felt too rushed and you could honestly see that the point was to create ship wars. I honestly don't like all this shipping drama, but hey, that's what fans like.

Kishi right now is going at high speed with the story, not that I dislike it, it's just that we were used to a slower plot development. Obito managed to control the biju in 1 chapter, if Kishi drew this chapter years ago, we would probably still be seeing a Kakashi VS Obito fight.
Can't say the same for pairings though, we got development since the beginning, and now that the story is heading to its end, it's normal to expect big moments. I'm used to see NaruSaku interaction throughout the story, so it wouldn't be a big deal for me.

But, I must say, Minato's comment was unexpected for me. Not even my shipper's side got her hopes that high that time.

Edited by LadyGT, 30 July 2013 - 09:30 AM.

[Psychox]

Hi there I'm new too, can anybody explain the 645 theory that you guys mentioned earlier? i just to google it but found no results :c

 

Welcome to H&E

 

Hello everyone, I'm fairly new here. I've only registered a week ago and this is my second post. I don't need to go any deeper as I already stated everything in the introductions forum. I'll only say I hope to get along with everyone and please bear with me from now own.

For my first post on this thread I thought I'll share some NaruSaku pics I found on deviant art:

 

 

Nice , welcome to H&E and to the family

[Psychox]

Again, no matter how much the manga confirms it, as I've said they will rant on and on about how naruhina is like minakushi. Half of them will say hinata is like kushina and the other half saying she's like Minato when she is absolutely like none of them. Sakura is the only girl canonically compared to kushina and Naruto is the only boy canonically compared to Minato. It's so simple a 4th grader could figure it out. Eh, to each their own, I just hope the end result doesn't hit them too hard. They are definitely one confusing ship to understand and put legit reasoning behind. Funny part is that half of them say parallels don't matter yet they shove it down their own faces that hinata is like minato or kushina. Double standards, double standards everywhere.

Btw, don't think my response counts as "bashing" but just an opinion.

 

 

And there i thought i was the only one thinking that , good job saying it out loud ^^..

[Psychox]

Well Legend of Korra is mostly about shipping. I mean, Korra and Mako kissed in the 5th episode of the series. It really felt too rushed and you could honestly see that the point was to create ship wars. I honestly don't like all this shipping drama, but hey, that's what fans like.

Kishi right now is going at high speed with the story, not that I dislike it, it's just that we were used to a slower plot development. Obito managed to control the biju in 1 chapter, if Kishi drew this chapter years ago, we would probably still be seeing a Kakashi VS Obito fight.
Can't say the same for pairings though, we got development since the beginning, and now that the story is heading to its end, it's normal to expect big moments. I'm used to see NaruSaku interaction throughout the story, so it wouldn't be a big deal for me.

But, I must say, Minato's comment was unexpected for me. Not even my shipper's side got her hopes that high that time.

 

 

Seriously it happened that fast ?, huh lol , at least the old avatar there you had development in term of the character spending time alone and together, through good and bad times , stuck in cave almost kissing and so on..

 

And that is the one of the very big reasons i love NS so much , their growth is consistent and very long , nothing is rushed.. ^^

 

I have to say the longer you wait for something , the sweeter it will taste when you finally taste it.. or something like that

[Inferno180]

Well Legend of Korra is mostly about shipping. I mean, Korra and Mako kissed in the 5th episode of the series. It really felt too rushed and you could honestly see that the point was to create ship wars. I honestly don't like all this shipping drama, but hey, that's what fans like.
Kishi right now is going at high speed with the story, not that I dislike it, it's just that we were used to a slower plot development. Obito managed to control the biju in 1 chapter, if Kishi drew this chapter years ago, we would probably still be seeing a Kakashi VS Obito fight.
Can't say the same for pairings though, we got development since the beginning, and now that the story is heading to its end, it's normal to expect big moments. I'm used to see NaruSaku interaction throughout the story, so it wouldn't be a big deal for me.
But, I must say, Minato's comment was unexpected for me. Not even my shipper's side got her hopes that high that time.

Well korra was originally only supposed to be a smaller series with 26 episodes in total. But because it was so popular nickelodeon and paramount extended it to 4 seasons. Because they completed the first season before this extension and expansion, this is why things occurred faster and shorter. 12 episodes in a first season vs 20 in the original series does make a big difference. In aangs journey, yeah there was much more time for development and growth. Korra because it was only 12 episodes at first, it had a simplified story, korra being experienced in 3 elements save air, the location being only in republic city for the story, korra getting all her power back plus the recent additions of air ending and the avatar state at the end of season one plus being able to restore everyone's bending too that lost it to Amon. In the season one finale meeting aang and see him return was nice but also felt like the classic deas ex machina, her problem was instantly solved. One thing I find troubling about the new season, how much can korra go into for growth or power development when she has access to all her powers. Aang usually got one new power a season, korra has the full set by the end of season one. Unless the spirits make it a challenge that benders cannot use their powers in their world or presence again then this fixes it, heroes and heroines need an obstacle to impair their abilities to make things interesting.

Least in naruto because its a manga, manga and animated series have different time tables and there is never any clue as to how long they will be given support to run. Tv shows can face cancelation at anytime unless its very good in most cases then a network supports it as long as it can or until the creators and writers say they are done, manga though has the advantage of a long period, it's just a new chapter a week in most cases, slowly advancing. Over these past 14 years, we have see naruto unfold and yes there has been a good amount of development over the long run for this series. More time and space in a story equals more chances for development and flexibility, not as much time constraints. I mean look at one piece, still telling a story but still as long as it is, nowhere near done.

[Chatte]

@Branden

I tried to look for the video as I know I commented there but now it won't show up on my feed. Maybe it was removed...

[sushi.]

@Branden

I tried to look for the video as I know I commented there but now it won't show up on my feed. Maybe it was removed...

But who was the youtuber?

[Chatte]

But who was the youtuber?

Can't remember tbh...

[T XD]

I searched a lot, but it's nowhere. Seems that it's been removed.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's just odd that they wouldn't think they would get expanded. I think with a title they hold, such as winner for best animated series and such, how could you doubt yourself. Plus it's not like we are seeing a new original series, it's the freaking Avatar.

Anyway, yeah, it was rushed. By episode 5, I was bewildered that we were getting an pairing focused episode, and I haven't yet digest the characters. I mean we see them in the 2nd episode, so why so soon. Usually, a new series uses season 1 as an intro to the world and characters, with a small hint here and there. Season 2 or if season 1 is long like over 12 episodes, that's where you play your shipping card. Here it happened in 5 episodes.

My main problem is that many characters came off selfish. I'm still wondering what was the reason for Mako to leave Asami. I know they're trying to say that love is strong, blah blah blah, but this is not the way. Just imagine for Naruto. Let's go reverse in a way. SS happened but Sakura loves Naruto and vice versa. So Naruto and Sakura kissed, Hinata cries in a comedic fashion (yes, Bolin), then well, many oddity happens. I wouldn't support it to be honest.

So yeah, even though she has feelings for Sasuke, at least she's not dating him. The choice has to be made. I know people can make mistake in the relationship, but I don't think people wants to see something a mess. Realistic or not, it's not money.

[Inferno180]

One thing I remember about all the arguements of ns being dead from situations like 469, 540, and 615, the main defense ns had against those arguements was we did not have enough information. Things were too early to call at each time, we needed more information rather than just assuming ns was killed. I mean one big factor for 469, just 12 chapters earlier it was revealed why naruto was not able to confess to sakura and then just because of the hate people who lie to themselves line, it should all just end at once? That made little sense, you don't kill something so soon as its introduced. It made matters harder to believe due to what sai told naruto about sakuras actions, how much inconsistency would be around if naruto actually hated sakura or did not forgive her or simply moved on. Not to mention after the land of iron, the events were left ambiguous, it was. It really clear. Then kushina was introduced and it was just too good to be true, a new character who was ironically like sakura and had a similar relationship with minato when they were around 12. 540 and 615 went the same way, too much loose ends not enough to go on yet. Sakura's development was not over around 540, it still has a lot to go, even in more recent events. 615 too had its flaws to call nh canon by a design standpoint, hinata was stil lagging in development before that point, it was a big growth moment on her part but it still was far behind other interaction like that between naruto and sakura. All I can say is people just assumed the "open road theory" where it seemed like everything was said and done, the series would go on without addressing or revisiting these past events or build on them. Naruto pursued to be over sakura and an event like 540 and 615 must have seemed too obvious to people but they were proved at this point just to be short development moments, nothing impaired narusaku at all. Now with 631 though things have greatly changed mainly sakura being linked as like Kushina and naruto practically saying he still loves sakura, though some people want a better answer which you cannot blame them for but the gf stuff and him thinking its nice like that is a pretty good indicator. Many asked what the difference between 469, 540, and 615 was compared to 631, well for first the former 3 chapters are moments, moments come and go, they were not fully explained at first, now they were. 469 has been revealed to be just sakura trying to stop naruto from his promise which in all cases could have been a sucidie run, 540 was built upon in 635, sakura starting to not trust Sasuke if its reached the point even with Sasuke starting what he sees as redemption. 615 was mostly hinata, romantic on her side but still only displayed mainly inwardly towards her especially with chapters like 633, it's if anything more motivation towards her own confidence aside from supporting naruto for once. It was also proven that neji sacrificed himself to save both of them on his own choice, not for love. It was a total reversal ending to the hinata and neji relation we got when they were first introduced. Neji wanted to kill hinata at first, he ended up protecting her and naruto, 2 people he formerly dispised and looked down upon he gained respect and ultimately protected them, basically Neji's action in 614 was for him to come full circle, he began in a role of life thinking he was forced to always be a subservient always determined to the actions of fate but ended up learning he was in control of his own fate and he freely chose to sacrifice himself for the two. Not out of the nh love or whatever, because of his own choice to protect the two he once tried to harm or even kill, because it was his life he was in control of his fate, that's the message here for his character. 631 was different though because back in kushinas final words, there was a big notion given for naruto to find a girl like Kushina. All fandoms agreed it would be a girl but not known at the time who, but the evidence did point to a certain pink haired girl. 631 built upon it and connected sakura and Kushina. No matter the description or debates, it's canonically proven so far that sakura is the only girl compared or called similar to Kushina. 631 differs because it built on a foreshadow element and foreshadows persist until the event they hint is brought forward. If kushinas words were the start of the foreshadow, 631 only built on it giving the audience a notion of well there is one girl like Kushina, perhaps this means something. Though many say Kishi is messing with us, they act like this is a shujo romance series or something, the author is not twisting us all the time, 615 as precepted by the audience may not even have the same idea Kishi and his crew had, I mean sakura in the land of iron was widely differed until Kishi revealed his stance on what he made sakura do, that just cleared some stuff up to a degree but proves its not all romance here and there or him messing with us. He may not even care for the pairing stuff in the long run, just laughing at it all. The Avatar creators were an example of those who messed with ther fanbase, same with the people who make adventure time, even futurama did it a few times too, but some like Kishi just don't care all that much. Only real times I can think he messed with us were the sudden twists like itachis truth after Sasuke faced him and kabutos trump card being the real Madara and Tobi actually being obito, he mislead us for a time but for pairings, I highly doubt it. Romance is underneath all the action, drama, comedy, and adventure. It's not the priority for emotions of romance, even then we see ns as the one put forth the most over the series, recently obitos feelings for rin have been the constant forefront. But it never hits the point some people make it out to be like its a shifting romance or a guy announcing who he loves or someone confessing in a schoolyard in the afternoon. It's not like that at all. In fact the most emotional part of the series with love if anything has to be minato and Kushina dying and giving naruto their last words and hope for the future. That's it. If any love was very serious it's the family type, but we still see ns resurface as the predominant non family love again and again. But in all cases I highly doubt Kishi just goes out of his way to mess with us using the characters of who loves who. The anime does that to a degree but not the manga, the manga is serious and needs to keep pace for a story it tells, the anime can go crazy and off tangents especially with fillers for this stuff, this is even why we got a filler with a comical moment of naruto and Sasuke kissing again, even in the manga with kurama making naruto remember that it was just short term humor, it was the same in 632 when naruto saw Sakura's power. Yet for the majority of things people look too hard and for too much that most likely is not there.

[rikakim94]

Well Legend of Korra is mostly about shipping. I mean, Korra and Mako kissed in the 5th episode of the series. It really felt too rushed and you could honestly see that the point was to create ship wars. I honestly don't like all this shipping drama, but hey, that's what fans like.

Kishi right now is going at high speed with the story, not that I dislike it, it's just that we were used to a slower plot development. Obito managed to control the biju in 1 chapter, if Kishi drew this chapter years ago, we would probably still be seeing a Kakashi VS Obito fight.
Can't say the same for pairings though, we got development since the beginning, and now that the story is heading to its end, it's normal to expect big moments. I'm used to see NaruSaku interaction throughout the story, so it wouldn't be a big deal for me.

But, I must say, Minato's comment was unexpected for me. Not even my shipper's side got her hopes that high that time.

 

You know naruto just isn't the manga that i used to know anymore. I mean the obito plot thats happening right now just feels to repetitive. I mean i get it  rin was important to him and team minato. As for naruto nowadays he's just reacting to whatever shock value happens. meanwhile in dangerous situations like obito's rampage in the recent chapters he just looks at sasuke and says his name several times or just complain about getting attacked unless someone asks him to do something or help them with there techniques to defeat the enemy. Meanwhile sasuke does the serious thinking about changing the world for the better,trys to find the way if defeating an enemy. Again narutos just reacting towards whats thrown to him i want to see him challenge aganist sasukes ideas or have bigger voice when fighting aganist obito. 

 

As for shipping thats just a big headache nowadays for now if nothing interesting happens to the plot for the past 5 for six chapters i'll keep going on a hiatus maybe untill october maybe? I can't deal with this stress for this manga anymore there more i want to critique about ill save it for later...

[Hanabi]

@Psychox: Thank you for the warm welcome!  （＾ｖ＾） though it looks like I accidentally violated the rules in just my second posting.. （ﾉ´д｀）

 

Btw Psychox, what do you think about this SasuSaku 'japanese myth evidence' here? Earlier you posted this cover of Sakura (chapter64) and initial draft of Hinata in page 227..

 

I saw that and was intrigued, because like what Chatte does with her theory of chapter 7's sakura's circle symbol linking with Hashi's is also spot on too, Sakura now have regenerative abilities like Hashi.. I hope she have a actual connection with him in later chapters..

 

So for this SasuSaku with it's 'japanese myth evidence' theory, I also put in other people's arguments to make this theory clearer.. This is my first attempt doing a theory so do bear with me..

 

 

 

 

 

Those two.

 

And that guy's argument for NH/SS:

 

[[ She’s holding a fan… What does Uchiha mean? Fan. Who does Sakura like? Sasuke, an Uchiha.

And then there’s the Beach in the background & Sakura’s cherry blossom-patterned Clothing. That holds some significance also.

In shintoism, which the Uchiha have many connections to (Much like with Byakugan & Taoism and Rinnegan & Buddhism), Sasuke is represented by the god Ninigi, the grandson of Amaterasu.

Guess what? Ninigi finds and marries his wife, the goddess of cherry blossoms, on a beach.

Now, on to Hinata’s sketch, which was drawn in 1998, kishimoto's own character, which was NOT suggested by an editor.

Firstly, I’d like to say that this sketch of Hinata was drawn before Sakura & Sasuke were even created. Keep that in mind.

So, what’s in the image anyways? Well, Hinata is standing there, she’s looking shy like she usually does. But looking at the background, we see Naruto, staring at the Sun, which also has a spiral pattern on it. Hinata’s name (along with “Hyuga") means ”Place in the Sun’ or “Towards the Sun" ’ and this image depicts that meaning very well. We can also see Hinata wearing a necklace, which has a spiral pattern to it too, the same as the Uzumaki’s (and Naruto’s).

And she’s ALSO wearing rings….Wedding and Engagement rings maybe? ^_^ ]]

 

After seeing that I googled and found out that Ninigi is a Shinto God who is sent down from heaven by Amaterasu to pacify Japan by bringing the three celestial gifts used by the emperor. The sword Kusanagi, the mirror Yata no Kagami, and the jewel Yasakani no megatama. These three gifts signify that the emperor is the descendant of Amaterasu herself.

 

 

 

 

Itachi represents Amaterasu in this myth. He passes on the weapons. Itachi also initiated that Sasuke went to Orochimaru where he gained the Kusanagi sword. he removed Sasuke's cursed seal (called heaven seal) The former heaven curse seal represented Sasuke as Ninigi in heaven, so when fighting Itachi he lost the heaven seal = the myth where he was sent from heaven by Amaterasu..

 

Sasuke's mother's name is Uchiha Mikoto. Ninigi's full name is Ninigi no Mikoto. Ninigi was sent to earth so that he would restore order. I'm sure Itachi had the same intention with Sasuke. But even so, you know what the Uchiha family was famous for in Konoha; The Konoha military force. The Uchiha are associated with protecting, laws and order. The same responsibilities that Ninigi is connected with. The same thing that Sasuke wants to revive.

 

During Ninigi's mission on earth he met Kono Hana no Sakuya-hime (Princess Tree of Flower Blossom) on the seashore and they fell in love, and her symbol is the cherry blossom. Sakura's name translated means cherry blossom.

 

So the two heavenly weapons left from this theory are the shield Yata no Kagami and the jewel Yasakani no megatama.

 

 

Itachi used Yata's mirror here (Yata no Kagami basically translate into yata's mirror..)

 

 

and yasaka magatama here:

 

 

 

while Madara used a stronger version of yasaka magatama here

 

 

I doubt Sasuke have ever used that Yasaka Magatama kind of move, and Yata's Mirror is only used by Itachi as stated in the wiki.. but if you want to force this theory of Sasuke = Ninigi I guess you can say Sasuke awakened his sharingan = tomoe design = the jewel Yasakani no megatama.

 

So yeah I believe like 50% of this theory, seeing how Kishimoto like to put in various Japanese myths into Naruto, like Susanoo, Amaterasu, kotoamatsukami being jutsus, or The Sannin, taken from Tales of gallant Jiraiya. The jewel Yasakani no megatama that Ninigi was given is in the form of the necklace, and it looks more possible kishi used this myth for Sage of 6 Paths.

 

 

 Also Naruto has been directly compared to a god called Fujin, deity of the wind, and Sasuke was compared to Raijin, deity of lightning

 

 

But even after saying all these, chapter 64's cover of Sakura holding that fan with the uchiha police symbol, being in a beach background still makes me worried for a SS ending lol.. :c

Edited by Hanabi, 30 July 2013 - 04:29 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Before I go to work, I will say this:

 

Don't think too much.

 

I already covered this and I don't have time to do so. It's getting old already and quite frankly, it's a bit of a meh situation. I can't argue with NH/SS anymore because I really feel that confident to go in the manga in the direction is telling me. Don't think too hard. People wants hope and I respect that, but at this rate, it's about seeing what's going on now, not what was already presented. To make matter worse, they're using and creating a new theory out of something that's only drawn for a reason. Hinata old sketch was shown that she was supposed to be a civilian. That's it. Let it go. Sakura is just her drawn in a pretty way. Why can't you accept that? This is not to you, Hanabi. This is for anyone who's going way underneath that even Kakashi will find it puzzling. The point is Kishi is very blunt when addressing it and when he is, you'll know what is it. Wish to talk more, but I got to go.