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[T XD]

They're still angry fans bashing to how Ranma 1/2 ended with Ranma marrying Akane the heroine tsundere of the series a lot of people hated Akane and most were Ranma/Shampoo fans. The same with Inuyasha they were very upset with Inuyasha marrying Kagome especially the Inuyasha/Kikyo fans.

Well, they don't want to lose which anger get the best of them and, sadly, it runs too with Naruto.
That's why we shouldn't break our heads with them.

[Transformers03]

After the latest chapter its already totally obvious. Just to think about NH or SS now is retarded.
If kishi would make another pairing he would make naruto suffer same like obito (cant imagine him doing that, for what reason?)
And Of course The NH fanbase tries to turn every little moment who doesnt mean anything into a NH moment, cause there arent many after all. If we think that the whole begin of part 2 till the the end of the pain arc was full of NS moments, theres no need worring about 1 weak NH moment.

We got the big chapter with yamato telling sakura abiut her feelings(often forgotten), the hug, sakura screaming for naruto (after pain destroyed konoha), sakuras sad face (while thinking that hinata loves naruto), the confession (still think parts of it are true), naruto saving sakura in bridal style, The lover nin scene showing sakura overthinking her feelings for sasuke, the movie, the parallels, jiraya telling naruto to finish what he couldnt(also winning the hearth of the girl you love) and soon i also think theres something happening with the lover nin again and naruto telling hinata that he loves someone else.

Not to forget that its a shounen manga and we all know how they end.
All we have to do is wait till this flahbacks are over and the alliance arrives.

I feel the same, but I don't think it's retarded that some people think that Naruhina will happen. Some are, but the most of them are not.

They've been misunderstanding Naruto's character all along, maybe? Or perhaps, that was the kind of Naruto they want for their own fantasy land.

Fans like to twist the story so that it can fit with their own perspective of how the story should go. But here's the thing though, we can also be twisting the story so that it will meet with our expectations. Like remember when Sakura was shown thinking about Sasuke as the man she loves, and a lot of people of this site tried to explain it in a way that will become beneficial for our pairing (though, admittedly, some theories do make sense). But I try to see things through a neutral perspective, so when I read that scene all I saw was Sakura thinking about Sasuke, because he is the 'someone else' that she was referring to with the Lover Nin.

However, I do doubt we are also making up a fantasy story to fit our wants, because there our things that show that it isn't just in our heads. If it just us that believe that Naruto is still in love with Sakura, than the anime studio also thinks that, why would they have an episode about that (#235) and still create OPs and EDs about that pairing still. The games also think like that, why else we would they also still have Narusaku moments in the games, even giving us a possible better explanation of the confession (forgot what game that was in, but I'm sure someone else fill it in). Oh, and there must be a lot of bias Narusaku fans on the Road to Ninja website, or else they wouldn't have chosen those two pro-narusaku moments to be placed on their website. But then again that would totally unprofessional.

Hmmm, let me think, oh yeah. That guy who was also in charged with the latest movie (Roas to........um.....forgot it) he must also be a very unprofessional bias Narusaku fan. He wouldn't have given us so many moments between the two, with date request, bridal style rescues, and parallels (which obviously don't exist), if he knew that Kishi ended that possibility of them getting together a long time again. Seriously, how unprofessional can you get, did that guy even knew Kishi?

So yeah, if didn't get my sarcasm in the previous paragraph, then I'm just trying to say that I don't think Narusaku is just in our fantasy. That, or everyone likes to screw with us.

[TouKen4Life3g]

After the latest chapter its already totally obvious. Just to think about NH or SS now is retarded.
If kishi would make another pairing he would make naruto suffer same like obito (cant imagine him doing that, for what reason?)
And Of course The NH fanbase tries to turn every little moment who doesnt mean anything into a NH moment, cause there arent many after all. If we think that the whole begin of part 2 till the the end of the pain arc was full of NS moments, theres no need worring about 1 weak NH moment.

We got the big chapter with yamato telling sakura abiut her feelings(often forgotten), the hug, sakura screaming for naruto (after pain destroyed konoha), sakuras sad face (while thinking that hinata loves naruto), the confession (still think parts of it are true), naruto saving sakura in bridal style, The lover nin scene showing sakura overthinking her feelings for sasuke, the movie, the parallels, jiraya telling naruto to finish what he couldnt(also winning the hearth of the girl you love) and soon i also think theres something happening with the lover nin again and naruto telling hinata that he loves someone else.

Not to forget that its a shounen manga and we all know how they end.
All we have to do is wait till this flahbacks are over and the alliance arrives.

Well said, my friend. I approve this message.

Btw, yeah, I agree with you about the latest chapter. I could no longer hold it and just flat out said, "NaruSaku or riot." I'm sticking to this from now on because this is enough for me to say that Naruto just got to succeed where they all failed. Yes, people, love is in there as well. Ask Jiraiya (ghost) and Obito (when he's not crazy). I know love is not like a trophy thing, but it's an achievement. For the record, it's not like Kishi just love the only thing they regretted /failed. He clearly made all the points of their dreams, such as being Hokage, wanted to win their love interest's love, etc. I always said that Jiraiya got the most effective one because it's about him and his regrets. Then, he decided to pass the torch to Naruto and succeed at what he has failed. But again, all parallels have effect to Naruto and NaruSaku. Don't worry, they don't need those to help. They got themselves taken care of.

Btw, am I the only one finding "strange" about Shippuuden Movie 3 now, only for one scene? Naruto was injured and Sakura knew it, proceeding to get upset because Naruto didn't want to upset her. Kakashi then just thought, "He's just like you, Obito." Did the anime studio guessed it perfectly about Obito and Rin had that moment? Did Kishi got some inside job in it? I know Obito and Naruto being the same was established back in the gaiden, this movie happened way before the latest chapters. I don't know, I thought it is a huge coincidence.

Did they really think that Naruto would just lose all what he felt for Sakura all these years after that incident most especially when he began to understand her motives/what she was really trying to do then?

He didn't even give up on Sasuke, who was completely swallowed by darkness and vengeance, doing killing spree; then give up on Sakura who remained and stayed by his side for that blatant 'lie' they claimed? (In which I don't really consider as a complete lie at all)

Naruto's not that shallow.

They've been misunderstanding Naruto's character all along, maybe? Or perhaps, that was the kind of Naruto they want for their own fantasy land.

This.

Naruto is not a quitter. If he quits on one thing, I quit this manga. Well, not really, but I would be heavily disappointed. Why? It's not because NaruSaku won't be canon, rather Naruto just destroyed his character/theme. It's like a bad message for people, like "Well, I will not quit on saving my best friend from trouble, but the girl who I like is something I should quit on. Ok!" It's already clear that Naruto is facing the impossible, but nothing is truly impossible if you work hard.

/\ this
just becuase he doen't think about her 24/7 doesn't meen that he's not in love with her anymore
and The confession never brought the pairing down like the other fandoms though an he got an explanation when she left to track sasuke about her reasons and how she didn't want him to get hurt
and yeah ..the only way for them to imagine Nh happening is if naruto was that shallow

Yeah, it's that bad. Plus, I'm happy that he doesn't think of Sakura 24/7. It will be considered a waste of panel. You can leave the anime to that task. Granted I don't mind, but the fact is that the manga only consists important scenes. Also, him thinking of her 24/7 would be too much. He has dreams, you know...

They're still angry fans bashing to how Ranma 1/2 ended with Ranma marrying Akane the heroine tsundere of the series a lot of people hated Akane and most were Ranma/Shampoo fans. The same with Inuyasha they were very upset with Inuyasha marrying Kagome especially the Inuyasha/Kikyo fans.

Don't worry. Remember the reveal of Tobi day? Remember what happened to NF?

Well, get ready for a major meltdown in there once NaruSaku is canon. Yeah, I heard there are angry fans about those two. Funny, it was the opposite for me.

[Transformers03]

Btw, am I the only one finding "strange" about Shippuuden Movie 3 now, only for one scene? Naruto was injured and Sakura knew it, proceeding to get upset because Naruto didn't want to upset her. Kakashi then just thought, "He's just like you, Obito." Did the anime studio guessed it perfectly about Obito and Rin had that moment? Did Kishi got some inside job in it? I know Obito and Naruto being the same was established back in the gaiden, this movie happened way before the latest chapters. I don't know, I thought it is a huge coincidence.

I haven't watch the movies, but I do think it is most likely just a huge coincidence. Then again, I do believe the anime studio knows more about the manga, and where it's heading to, than we give them credit to.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I haven't watch the movies, but I do think it is most likely just a huge coincidence. Then again, I do believe the anime studio knows more about the manga, and where it's heading to, than we give them credit to.

Nope ( the anime studio does not know more about the manga), read kakashi gaiden before the begining of shippuuden.
since this chapter i knew that rin loves kakashi and obito loves rin and it was obvious that obito is similar to naruto*, sometimes i wonder how some of u guys can forgot about things that happened on manga so quickly.

Edited by dovahkiin, 28 September 2012 - 06:11 PM.

[Transformers03]

Nope ( the anime studio does not know more about the manga), read kakashi gaiden before the begining of shippuuden.
since this chapter i knew that rin loves kakashi and obito loves rin and it was obvious that obito is similar to naruto*, sometimes i wonder how some of u guys can forgot about things that happened on manga so quickly.

Okay, 1) you don't work for the anime studio, so you wouldn't know what they know, 2) all I was saying is that they know more about the manga than we do, they kind of have to know certain elements about the story so that they wont mis-interpretate it in the anime, 3) yes I do remember the gaiden chapters/episodes. I have both watch and read them recently. Yes it was pointed out that Obito had a crush on Rin, which was similar to Naruto's crush. What was a coincidence that the movie felt the need to point out that similarity, when beforehand there wasn't much emphasis on Obito's crush. It's only now that Kishi has been giving a lot of focus on his crush, so it was weird that the movie kind of pointed it out before it became a major plot point in the manga. That was the coincidence that we were talking about.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Okay, 1) you don't work for the anime studio, so you wouldn't know what they know, 2) all I was saying is that they know more about the manga than we do, they kind of have to know certain elements about the story so that they wont mis-interpretate it in the anime, 3) yes I do remember the gaiden chapters/episodes. I have both watch and read them recently. Yes it was pointed out that Obito had a crush on Rin, which was similar to Naruto's crush. What was a coincidence that the movie felt the need to point out that similarity, when beforehand there wasn't much emphasis on Obito's crush. It's only now that Kishi has been giving a lot of focus on his crush, so it was weird that the movie kind of pointed it out before it became a major plot point in the manga. That was the coincidence that we were talking about.

kishi only made an review about kakashi's gaiden and then he added more things about obito, second with kakashi gaiden only you are able to know this that why way before tobi being obito, obito/rin was a narusaku parallel.
2 i do not work with the anime team but you already should know that they do not respond to kishimoto but to tokyo tv.

Edited by dovahkiin, 28 September 2012 - 07:39 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Still, NH and SS are very feisty, stating that Sakura still loves Sakura because of chapter 540 (I believe it's the right chapter). And on top of that, what really frustrates me is that they don't believe that Naruto has the ability to sense negative emotions in JM or BM, and only hatred and killing intent lol. Where this all leads to is that when JM Naruto clone had rescued Hinata from the white Zetsu clone, they believe Naruto was able to understand her depression through her eyes and completely ignored that Kurama's sensing ability never played any role or even exist in the first place. And they think that Naruto was able to understand her depression because of romantic interest.

[T XD]

Still, NH and SS are very feisty, stating that Sakura still loves Sakura because of chapter 540 (I believe it's the right chapter). And on top of that, what really frustrates me is that they don't believe that Naruto has the ability to sense negative emotions in JM or BM, and only hatred and killing intent lol. Where this all leads to is that when JM Naruto clone had rescued Hinata from the white Zetsu clone, they believe Naruto was able to understand her depression through her eyes and completely ignored that Kurama's sensing ability never played any role or even exist in the first place. And they think that Naruto was able to understand her depression because of romantic interest.

Trust me my friend, debating with them is useless. Even after NS becomes real, some of them will still deny everything. They just want what they desire from the manga.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

For me all this Obito/Rin that we are receiving recently is just increasing the chances of NS to happen because there will be a comotion in the next chapter, it will be really dramatic, and after all of this, it will give a heavy ground for NS to happen, becuase despite NH there will be more things involved with NS and implications too.

Edited by dovahkiin, 28 September 2012 - 08:01 PM.

[PhenixElite]

For me all this Obito/Rin that we are receiving recently is just increasing the chances of NS to happen because there will be a comotion in the next chapter, it will be really dramatic, and after all of this, it will give a heavy ground for NS to happen, becuase despite NH there will be more things involved with NS and implications too.

Yeah i see it the same way.
Also 90 % of NS base on facts.

[Transformers03]

kishi only made an review about kakashi's gaiden and then he added more things about obito, second with kakashi gaiden only you are able to know this that why way before tobi being obito, obito/rin was a narusaku parallel.
2 i do not work with the anime team but you already should know that they do not respond to kishimoto but to tokyo tv.

I quite don't get what you are saying in the first part, but if you are saying that Obito/Rin was obviously a Naruto/Sakura parallel in the gaiden chapters/episode, then I agree with that. Kakashi's old team was an obvious parallel to Team 7. All I was saying it was a bit coincidental that the movie had that one-line about how Naruto was similar to Obito in a way that involves with their respected crushes, BEFORE he showed more about Obito and Rin's relationship. The gaiden chapters/episodes primary focused on Obito and Kakashi's dynamic, so we didn't really know in great detail how Obito and Rin's relationship was like until VERY RECENT. Heck, it was only the last chapter that we learn, for sure, that Rin generally worried about Obito when he gets hurt, and doesn't want him to act cool when he does get hurt. Just like how Sakura was generally worried about Naruto in the movie, so it was weird and coincidental that the movie pointed out a similarity that wasn't really properly established yet in the manga.

Also, I know that anime studio don't really work with Kishi, but you swear as if he hasn't told anyone else what direction he is going with series. As if he kept everything to himself, and hasn't told any of his editors or friends, or...........................................................

You know what, I don't care. I don't care what kind of knowledge the anime team has the manga. If you like to believe that an anime studio doesn't know anything about a manga that they have been adapting for the past ten years, then go ahead, I don't care.

I'm only saying that because I don't know anything about the anime studio, nor how they work. I could be right, you could be right, but it doesn't really matter as neither one of us know, and I don't really want to continue a conversation about it. That and I don't really care.............

Edited by Transformers03, 28 September 2012 - 08:14 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I quite don't get what you are saying in the first part, but if you are saying that Obito/Rin was obviously a Naruto/Sakura parallel in the gaiden chapters/episode, then I agree with that. Kakashi's old team was an obvious parallel to Team 7. All I was saying it was a bit coincidental that the movie had that one-line about how Naruto was similar to Obito in a way that involves with their respected crushes, BEFORE he showed more about Obito and Rin's relationship. The gaiden chapters/episodes primary focused on Obito and Kakashi's dynamic, so we didn't really know in great detail how Obito and Rin's relationship was like until VERY RECENT. Heck, it was only the last chapter that we learn, for sure, that Rin generally worried about Obito when he gets hurt, and doesn't want him to act cool when he does get hurt. Just like how Sakura was generally worried about Naruto in the movie, so it was weird and coincidental that the movie pointed out a similarity that wasn't really properly established yet in the manga.

Also, I know that anime studio don't really work with Kishi, but you swear as if he hasn't told anyone else what direction he is going with series. As if he kept everything to himself, and hasn't told any of his editors or friends, or...........................................................

You know what, I don't care. I don't care what kind of knowledge the anime team has the manga. If you like to believe that an anime studio doesn't know anything about a manga that they have been adapting for the past ten years, then go ahead, I don't care.

I'm only saying that because I don't know anything about the anime studio, nor how they work. I could be right, you could be right, but it doesn't really matter as neither one of us know, and I don't really want to continue a conversation about it. That and I don't really care.............

In kakashi gaiden is show that obito had feeelings for rin, it was not an foreshadowing from the anime team part because everyone knew about it in the first place.

what bothers me is, why obito attacked konoha in first place, he could not get the hands on kyuubi , for me it was just a excuse for naruto to be orphan.

Edited by dovahkiin, 28 September 2012 - 08:29 PM.

[Transformers03]

In kakashi gaiden is show that obito had feeelings for rin, it was not an foreshadowing from the anime team part because everyone knew about it in the first place.

what bothers me is, why obito attacked konoha in first place, he could not get the hands on kyuubi , for me it was just a excuse for naruto to be orphan.

I could argue that I was actually talking about the situation that the line was made, about the whole Naruto and Sakura thing. But I agree with you that I don't think it was foreshadowing on the anime team's part, just a weird coincidence. Yes they knew about the parallel in the first place, but they didn't really knew how Rin and Obito interacted with each other, so it is weird that they made that comparison in the movie.

Also, don't forget that the Obito's attack on the village also lead Iruka into becoming an orphan.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Trust me my friend, debating with them is useless. Even after NS becomes real, some of them will still deny everything. They just want what they desire from the manga.

It's hard to get away from them because I tried for two months to stop debating with them. I don't no why I can get away just like Vel *derp*

For me all this Obito/Rin that we are receiving recently is just increasing the chances of NS to happen because there will be a comotion in the next chapter, it will be really dramatic, and after all of this, it will give a heavy ground for NS to happen, becuase despite NH there will be more things involved with NS and implications too.

I think Kishi is showing what happens if NS goes bad through OR. OR never happened and the result was her death and Obito going insane. The same between DanTsu and J-manTsu that are also related to NS, meaning that Dan wanted to become Hokage and Jiraiya has Naruto goofy demeanor and personality. MinaKushi was also portrayed to be the essence of NS but was shown what might happen to Naruto and Sakura in a bad omen.

Bottom line is 4 pairings from each generation and only two became canon that supports NS and the two that did not (JT and OR) still supports NS. And I also think that Kishi is showing us a message through these 4 pairings that the harsh challenges NS must face in the future. Like if Sakura dies, Naruto goes insane and starts a fifth Shinobi war. If Naruto dies, Sakura will be like Tsunade (after Nawaki, Dan, J-man's death) or they both die as couple like MK, defending Konoha or the world. That's just my opinion, what you guys believe?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's hard to get away from them because I tried for two months to stop debating with them. I don't no why I can get away just like Vel *derp*



I think Kishi is showing what happens if NS goes bad through OR. OR never happened and the result was her death and Obito going insane. The same between DanTsu and J-manTsu that are also related to NS, meaning that Dan wanted to become Hokage and Jiraiya has Naruto goofy demeanor and personality. MinaKushi was also portrayed to be the essence of NS but was shown what might happen to Naruto and Sakura in a bad omen.

Bottom line is 4 pairings from each generation and only two became canon that supports NS and the two that did not (JT and OR) still supports NS. And I also think that Kishi is showing us a message through these 4 pairings that the harsh challenges NS must face in the future. Like if Sakura dies, Naruto goes insane and starts a fifth Shinobi war. If Naruto dies, Sakura will be like Tsunade (after Nawaki, Dan, J-man's death) or they both die as couple like MK, defending Konoha or the world. That's just my opinion, what you guys believe?

4?
well i dont think we can include minakushi here, because we did not know if they were on the same team, and plus if there was a second* guy like sasuke/kakashi for her to have a love interest, minakushi is only a NS parallel because of kushina's personality...
but i doubt that they had the same background as obito/rin and jira/tsu.

there are some parts of the puzzle for Mina/kushi to be a real naru/saku parallel, and again kushina's personality be the same as sakura's is what makes the parallel but not a strong one as obito/rin is.

jira/tsu "never" obito/rin was "almost" , naru/saku "canon?"

Edited by dovahkiin, 28 September 2012 - 09:12 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Of course, guys, one thing I wondered on another subject is if Rin ende dup having feelings for Obito later on after learning Kakashi was going to abandon her to the Hidden Rock ninja... but it could be just a hazard of a guess.

If anything, I've seen a lot of parallels to where failure occurs that success comes from the new generation. Like Naruto's defeating Kakuzu, even if he got himself hurt in the process when Kakuzu had fought Hashirama and lived. So it seems to me as if Kishimoto wants Naruto to succeed in being with Sakura to make up for how things failed for Jiraiya and Tsunade as well as Obito and Rin. Plus given how Sakura's shown to be so much like Kushina in personality too. And how Naruto's been there to save her. As she said, even if it may have only been in the dub, before the Sasuke Retrieval Team took off that she realized more than anyone else, Naruto understood her best AND he's always been there whenever she needed help. And that's been shown plenty of times for sure to be accurate.

[narusakufan122]

Still, NH and SS are very feisty, stating that Sakura still loves Sakura because of chapter 540 (I believe it's the right chapter). And on top of that, what really frustrates me is that they don't believe that Naruto has the ability to sense negative emotions in JM or BM, and only hatred and killing intent lol. Where this all leads to is that when JM Naruto clone had rescued Hinata from the white Zetsu clone, they believe Naruto was able to understand her depression through her eyes and completely ignored that Kurama's sensing ability never played any role or even exist in the first place. And they think that Naruto was able to understand her depression because of romantic interest.

Wouldn't bother talking to NH and SS fans anymore. They have so little going for them in the "pairing war" so they have no choice then to keep distorting facts to suit themselves and trying to escalate every discussion you have with them about it.

I mean seriously remember when NH fans tried to spin the MinaKushi parallel as NH proof by stating Hinata was more like Kushina then Sakura or when Sasuke tried to kill Sakura and then SS fans saying Sasuke did that because he couldn't stand Sakura seeing what he had become.

SS fans just cling onto the fact that Sakura still loves Sasuke and try and use the whole emotionally damaged angle as an excuse to explain why in the entire series Sasuke has never given any indication that he loves Sakura or holds any sort of feelings for her. NH fans just look at the entire situation through Hinata's point of view and dismiss any feelings Naruto has for Sakura under the "almighty" reason of " Hinata deserving Naruto more because she loved him first" Apparantly, according to NH fans, in love it's first come, first served.

[Gravenimage]

Wouldn't bother talking to NH and SS fans anymore. They have so little going for them in the "pairing war" so they have no choice then to keep distorting facts to suit themselves and trying to escalate every discussion you have with them about it.

I mean seriously remember when NH fans tried to spin the MinaKushi parallel as NH proof by stating Hinata was more like Kushina then Sakura or when Sasuke tried to kill Sakura and then SS fans saying Sasuke did that because he couldn't stand Sakura seeing what he had become.

SS fans just cling onto the fact that Sakura still loves Sasuke and try and use the whole emotionally damaged angle as an excuse to explain why in the entire series Sasuke has never given any indication that he loves Sakura or holds any sort of feelings for her. NH fans just look at the entire situation through Hinata's point of view and dismiss any feelings Naruto has for Sakura under the "almighty" reason of " Hinata deserving Naruto more because she loved him first" Apparantly, according to NH fans, in love it's first come, first served.

Okay people that is enough talking about NH and SS fans who cares what they think. This is the NS pairing debate so let's stick to the topic thank you.

[narusakufan122]

Okay people that is enough talking about NH and SS fans who cares what they think. This is the NS pairing debate so let's stick to the topic thank you.

Sorry went a little bit too far but KCF's post brought some memory's back of heated discussions i had in the past with NH and SS fans.