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[TheFirstEvil100]

Seriously, drop the high and mighty, holier than thou charade. You don’t give a rats ass about “guest readers” or whoever reads these these threads. You’re not here to be a white-knight for poor guests that come here unawares that we’re trying to snare in our unending quest to spread misinformation about the series so that other people will hate it too.

You’re here because you’re uncomfortable that a place exists which is regarded as a haven for people to go in which they express ideas that are different from your own, and you come here to harass people who express those ideas with poorly thought out points and blatant untruths, all while pretending that you’re more intelligent than the people you’re talking about.

This site doesn’t nearly have the reach for you to actually try and justify your presence here by saying that you care about the two guests we might get potentially being misinformed by opinions held by people here. Spare the bs.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

For some reason, every time I see a Shinachiku drawing, he reminds me of my soon to be 2 year old nephew.

[James S Cassidy]

If <redacted> replies to your posts, you get 1 point for every exclamation point they use. Use of formatting like underline or italics is 2 points. A word that they write in all CAPITALS is 3 points.  If they completely ignore a vital part of your argument, that's 5 points. After you amass 10 points, you win and can stop clicking on their replies.

I am up to a thousand at this point...

What's funnier even is how I wasn't even replying to one of theirs, they came after my my post and all I said was "The biggest plot hole I have is how did Hinata become a heroine when she didn't do anything in the manga." That sure got them "triggered," I guess.

 

Seriously, drop the high and mighty, holier than thou charade. You don’t give a rats ass about “guest readers” or whoever reads these these threads. You’re not here to be a white-knight for poor guests that come here unawares that we’re trying to snare in our unending quest to spread misinformation about the series so that other people will hate it too.

You’re here because you’re uncomfortable that a place exists which is regarded as a haven for people to go in which they express ideas that are different from your own, and you come here to harass people who express those ideas with poorly thought out points and blatant untruths, all while pretending that you’re more intelligent than the people you’re talking about.

This site doesn’t nearly have the reach for you to actually try and justify your presence here by saying that you care about the two guests we might get potentially being misinformed by opinions held by people here. Spare the bs.

White-knighting only really works if the other person is actually oppressed and being held against their freedom. We don't do that here. We just have a different mindset. Of course, in this day and age, just having a different opinion seems to mean "you're oppressing me" in now-a-days terms and I am not just talking on a political scale. It's always funny when the one person that is defending themselves against the actual attacker is being attacked by said white-knight despite that white-knight witnessing that the defender was being attacked in the first place. Like all of a sudden the person defending themselves is the "real bad guy."

It's the same game...they make a claim that *this* is better than *this,* someone else makes a different opinion, and they think they have to make a counter-argument to defend Kishimoto. You make a counter counter-argument and it overwhelms them. That's when they start going for the "You're so salty, you're so triggered," or my favorite of all at the moment "It's just an anime." That's when they get their buddies in to gang up on you, acting like the guy is too weak, and then pat the other guy on the back saying "Wow, you owned him."

It's funny how the person trying to be the "white-knight" is actually insulting the people he is trying to protect assuming that those people are too weak and too stupid to fight their own battles. We welcome all newcomers, but we are not gonna change our views or our lifestyle because someone else has a problem with it. Same we don't expect them to change either to suit us. They can do or be whoever they wanted.

Same with Analyzer. She came here, she knew this was an pro-NS board, and she decided that her opinion was greater than ours. It's not even that she has a different opinion, but she feels her opinion trumps ours because she claims she is superior than us. That is not how you start a debate and now she apparently is white-knighting for people who haven't said a word yet. What if those guests are pro-NS and they agree with everything we say? Now Analyzer looks silly. Unless of course she knows the guests and trying to prove a point with spies sneering at us only to act like they are just poor Naruto fans who came here seeking acceptance and we are the bad people telling them that they have to hate this series or else....

If you don't like what we say...don't come here. It's that simple. We won't go looking for you or harassing you. We won't hijack your posts and push you down like bullies needing reconigition...though pro-enders love doing this to our videos and boards.

It always seems like the victim is the victim until they defend themsevles.

[DrK]

Same with Analyzer. She came here, she knew this was an pro-NS board, and she decided that her opinion was greater than ours. It's not even that she has a different opinion, but she feels her opinion trumps ours because she claims she is superior than us. That is not how you start a debate and now she apparently is white-knighting for people who haven't said a word yet. What if those guests are pro-NS and they agree with everything we say?

They probably are. I mean, I was one of them not very long ago. I think I made it clear that I am not a pro-ender at this point.

[James S Cassidy]

They probably are. I mean, I was one of them not very long ago. I think I made it clear that I am not a pro-ender at this point.

And that is perfectly fine. We have had Pro-NH, but anti-enders come here all the time. They even express, just like you, how Naruto and Sakura should have gotten together even if they liked NH more and expressed how even they were disappointed on it. They felt like even if they won the so called pairing war it wasn't a victory to be proud of because  they lost so much that it was more like a pyrric victory.

And like you, DrK, you said you were NH before I believe, but now it is changed and we accepted you with open arms and even praised you for your thoughts. Heck, we might even have impressed you for pointing out things you nevere even thought of and you embraced the different views instead of just "Well, you need proof and blah blah blah."

But people like Analyzer....they only see what they want to believe. They never notice anything beyond what they want.
 

Kishimoto did what he intended and wanted to do, because he said so. Anyone saying otherwise runs in contradiction to his words, and the work of art.

Except it is not Kishimoto's story anymore. He is not writing anymore.

And the contradiction of his words vs his work and what we are getting now is so evident that they refuse to see it.
Kishimoto sepcifically says "SS is miserable, Sakura is a drug addict, and Neji died to guilt trip Naruto to Hinata." We have the interviews and Analyzer has the gall to say "Well, he was only kidding" and then accuse us of contradictiing his words.

I don't know how anymore hypocritical can you get. This is what we don't like. This attitude. It's not the different opinions, it's the attitude.

 

[DrK]

And that is perfectly fine. We have had Pro-NH, but anti-enders come here all the time. They even express, just like you, how Naruto and Sakura should have gotten together even if they liked NH more and expressed how even they were disappointed on it. They felt like even if they won the so called pairing war it wasn't a victory to be proud of because  they lost so much that it was more like a pyrric victory.

And like you, DrK, you said you were NH before I believe, but now it is changed and we accepted you with open arms and even praised you for your thoughts. Heck, we might even have impressed you for pointing out things you nevere even thought of and you embraced the different views instead of just "Well, you need proof and blah blah blah."

But people like Analyzer....they only see what they want to believe. They never notice anything beyond what they want.

Yeah... Being NH and "winning" was a strange feeling. I read the ending, so Kishimoto was like "you won!" but why didn't I feel like I won? Because there was nothing satisfying about it.

 

It's OK, just watch The Last.

 

But The Last was a horrible movie. Absolutely terrible and OOC garbage.

 

Maybe read Boruto? But he doesn't interact with Hinata at all in Boruto hardly. Also Boruto is terrible as well.

 

What to do now? I guess read the manga again?

 

You know, Sakura was actually pretty nice to him. She's not that bad. The anime really kitten on Sakura. And Naruto really likes Sakura... Why didn't he end up with Sakura?

 

Because she was too obsessed with Sasuke? Yeah, that's why I didn't like her, but why didn't you make her STOP being obsessed with Sasuke? Would that really have been that hard?

 

And at that point I already had forgotten why I liked NH to begin with. I guess it was the confession and the fact that she wasn't also obsessed with Sasuke. But that's really not enough to keep a ship floating.

[AHK]

Response Below: 

 

 

 

In seriousness, you couldn't be further from the truth on my personal motivations. That said, you don't have an argument of the points I've been making for quite some time on why James and other's are wrong, so I see little to reply to. 

Except that's a plebian response, given that I haven't insulted you. 

 

Really? Because I think I'm pretty damn spot on. You obviously didn't come here to generally socialize with fans of the series, you saw people that didn't think the way you did and came over to to harass them for it. I don't really care why you're here or how long you stay, your opinions don't hold weight to me and I don't really care what you think of me, but at least be up front about why you joined this site to begin with.

I am up to a thousand at this point...

What's funnier even is how I wasn't even replying to one of theirs, they came after my my post and all I said was "The biggest plot hole I have is how did Hinata become a heroine when she didn't do anything in the manga." That sure got them "triggered," I guess.

 

White-knighting only really works if the other person is actually oppressed and being held against their freedom. We don't do that here. We just have a different mindset. Of course, in this day and age, just having a different opinion seems to mean "you're oppressing me" in now-a-days terms and I am not just talking on a political scale. It's always funny when the one person that is defending themselves against the actual attacker is being attacked by said white-knight despite that white-knight witnessing that the defender was being attacked in the first place. Like all of a sudden the person defending themselves is the "real bad guy."

It's the same game...they make a claim that *this* is better than *this,* someone else makes a different opinion, and they think they have to make a counter-argument to defend Kishimoto. You make a counter counter-argument and it overwhelms them. That's when they start going for the "You're so salty, you're so triggered," or my favorite of all at the moment "It's just an anime." That's when they get their buddies in to gang up on you, acting like the guy is too weak, and then pat the other guy on the back saying "Wow, you owned him."

It's funny how the person trying to be the "white-knight" is actually insulting the people he is trying to protect assuming that those people are too weak and too stupid to fight their own battles. We welcome all newcomers, but we are not gonna change our views or our lifestyle because someone else has a problem with it. Same we don't expect them to change either to suit us. They can do or be whoever they wanted.

Same with Analyzer. She came here, she knew this was an pro-NS board, and she decided that her opinion was greater than ours. It's not even that she has a different opinion, but she feels her opinion trumps ours because she claims she is superior than us. That is not how you start a debate and now she apparently is white-knighting for people who haven't said a word yet. What if those guests are pro-NS and they agree with everything we say? Now Analyzer looks silly. Unless of course she knows the guests and trying to prove a point with spies sneering at us only to act like they are just poor Naruto fans who came here seeking acceptance and we are the bad people telling them that they have to hate this series or else....

If you don't like what we say...don't come here. It's that simple. We won't go looking for you or harassing you. We won't hijack your posts and push you down like bullies needing reconigition...though pro-enders love doing this to our videos and boards.

It always seems like the victim is the victim until they defend themsevles.

The best part is the insecurity of it all. You operate under the belief that you're right and that your opinions are absolutely correct, yet come onto a NS fan site and yell at anyone who will listen that they're wrong and you're right and that they don't understand this and that and everything else. But if you were so sure about your opinion in the first place, why even bother coming here anyway? Lmao I legitimately have found this entire thing entertaining. 

 

It triggered the fact checker, if that's what you manga, given "did nothing in the manga" is objectively wrong. 

 

 

 

The White Knight stuff was odd terminology, yes. That's not why I come here. Already explained why, but the OP may not have paid attention.

 

The second part describes what I go through a lot, so I find it odd, as I find it the entirely opposite of how you portray it. Simply, its what friends do, and when people get frustrated, or were never really having a strong argument, they change their angle. 

 

I was going to strike through and change your statement to be accurate, but it was going to take a while as I went through it.

 

First, if you feel my opinion is better than yours, its probably because we're dealing with facts and not opinions, and your facts are wrong.

 

Second, I do not think I am better than anyone. Will restate this as many times as needed. Third, my words are for Pro-NS fans, and while I find this more of an anti-site than pro anything these days from what it used to be, my posts are addressed to those few positive people left to let them know when false information or misinformation is being declared. 

 

Fifth, I'm not going anywhere. I do not mind being ignored and simply functioning as the correcter for posts. Since I remain fair-headed and balance in my views, sleep isn't always an issue. 

The bold is a blatant lie. On my last post, you went out of your way to strike through a duplicated word that I didn't see. On multiple occasions, you've tried to tell me what I do and don't comprehend, despite not knowing the correct definition yourself. Your stay here is entirely ego-driven, and it shows with how you conduct yourself in your responses. Like I said, I don't care why you're here, what you think of my opinions, what you see yourself as, etc., just do me a solid and don't lie about why you're actually here. I'm nowhere near as stupid as you make the people on this forum out to be. Your last two lines fly in the face of what you stated in the bold.

Edited by AHK, 15 November 2017 - 08:59 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Yeah... Being NH and "winning" was a strange feeling. I read the ending, so Kishimoto was like "you won!" but why didn't I feel like I won? Because there was nothing satisfying about it.

 

It's OK, just watch The Last.

 

But The Last was a horrible movie. Absolutely terrible and OOC garbage.

 

Maybe read Boruto? But he doesn't interact with Hinata at all in Boruto hardly. Also Boruto is terrible as well.

 

What to do now? I guess read the manga again?

 

You know, Sakura was actually pretty nice to him. She's not that bad. The anime really kitten on Sakura. And Naruto really likes Sakura... Why didn't he end up with Sakura?

 

Because she was too obsessed with Sasuke? Yeah, that's why I didn't like her, but why didn't you make her STOP being obsessed with Sasuke? Would that really have been that hard?

 

And at that point I already had forgotten why I liked NH to begin with. I guess it was the confession and the fact that she wasn't also obsessed with Sasuke. But that's really not enough to keep a ship floating.

Everything here is exactly how alot of pro-NH anti-enders felt after the ending leaving them wondering....why did I like Hinata in the first place? Then they stop being pro-NH and more Anti-Hinata.

All these questions you just put are the exact same questions many have brought forth. It was so easy to make Sakura go from most hated to most liked...and all she had to do was stand up to Sasuke and tell him "no." More than likely gotten over him....and they couldn't even do that.

They could have even had Sakura die like many pro-enders want her to and yet they didn't do that either though it looks like Naruto and Sasuke are gonna die in the series anyway.

 

By the way, guys, look I found after years of searching. Makes me laugh every time.

"B---h, that's nasty"
-Pein



 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 November 2017 - 09:54 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Seriously, drop the high and mighty, holier than thou charade. You don’t give a rats ass about “guest readers” or whoever reads these these threads. You’re not here to be a white-knight for poor guests that come here unawares that we’re trying to snare in our unending quest to spread misinformation about the series so that other people will hate it too.

You’re here because you’re uncomfortable that a place exists which is regarded as a haven for people to go in which they express ideas that are different from your own, and you come here to harass people who express those ideas with poorly thought out points and blatant untruths, all while pretending that you’re more intelligent than the people you’re talking about.

This site doesn’t nearly have the reach for you to actually try and justify your presence here by saying that you care about the two guests we might get potentially being misinformed by opinions held by people here. Spare the bs.

 

Amen brother amen.

[DrK]

Everything here is exactly how alot of pro-NH anti-enders felt after the ending leaving them wondering....why did I like Hinata in the first place? Then they stop being pro-NH and more Anti-Hinata.

All these questions you just put are the exact same questions many have brought forth. It was so easy to make Sakura go from most hated to most liked...and all she had to do was stand up to Sasuke and tell him "no." More than likely gotten over him....and they couldn't even do that.

 

I can't even call it lazy, because it would have been so much easier to just have them say goodbye to Sasuke and then Naruto confesses to Sakura and she realizes Naruto was the one who always made her happy and accepts it. Sasuke did say he wasn't interested and that he never would be before proceeding to torture her into unconsciousness. It's not like anyone would have been going "What?!" at this point. NH/SS would just understand that they lost. Instead there are all these questions and things that make no sense and they were all resolved horribly with later material. I guess that was actually viewed as a good thing because it meant they could make said later material and make money off of it. But god, it's horrible.

[TheFirstEvil100]

If Sasuke died at the end, a lot of people who hate him now would like him. He would have become a tragic character. Like if he used the last of his power to release the IT or revive people and then died of chakra exhaustion. A lot of people who hate him would have a hard time doing so. Instead Sakura mindlessly heals him without even verifying that he isn't a threat anymore and he lives, going on to not really do anything significant except make both Sakura and Naruto miserable. Great job, Kishimoto.

I agree I mean its like you and James have said just have Sakura no longer care for Sasuke, but for Kishi nope she does this it would make her a bad women if she moved on. Which is BS.

[DrK]

I agree I mean its like you and James have said just have Sakura no longer care for Sasuke, but for Kishi nope she does this it would make her a bad women if she moved on. Which is BS.

Yeah. Did you read my story where Sakura gets horribly traumatized by Sasuke's genjutsu and hates him as a result? It might be my favorite NS related thing I wrote.

[VanitasDS76491]

Everything here is exactly how alot of pro-NH anti-enders felt after the ending leaving them wondering....why did I like Hinata in the first place? Then they stop being pro-NH and more Anti-Hinata.
All these questions you just put are the exact same questions many have brought forth. It was so easy to make Sakura go from most hated to most liked...and all she had to do was stand up to Sasuke and tell him "no." More than likely gotten over him....and they couldn't even do that.
They could have even had Sakura die like many pro-enders want her to and yet they didn't do that either though it looks like Naruto and Sasuke are gonna die in the series anyway.
 
By the way, guys, look I found after years of searching. Makes me laugh every time.

"B---h, that's nasty"
-Pein

 
Thank you James for that video especially on the end with sakura.
 

I can't even call it lazy, because it would have been so much easier to just have them say goodbye to Sasuke and then Naruto confesses to Sakura and she realizes Naruto was the one who always made her happy and accepts it. Sasuke did say he wasn't interested and that he never would be before proceeding to torture her into unconsciousness. It's not like anyone would have been going "What?!" at this point. NH/SS would just understand that they lost. Instead there are all these questions and things that make no sense and they were all resolved horribly with later material. I guess that was actually viewed as a good thing because it meant they could make said later material and make money off of it. But god, it's horrible.

  
Can you do a naruto story where he meets pinhead and he's given a choice between sasuke and he's friends like in saw but pinhead really messes with him and how he is pain and the pain he knows is nothing compared to him.

I agree I mean its like you and James have said just have Sakura no longer care for Sasuke, but for Kishi nope she does this it would make her a bad women if she moved on. Which is BS.

I'm still baffled on that excuse he makes it so no one has a choice in what they do. It makes them more like puppets than actual characters.

[VanitasDS76491]

Yeah. Did you read my story where Sakura gets horribly traumatized by Sasuke's genjutsu and hates him as a result? It might be my favorite NS related thing I wrote.

It was good and love how she was debating on not saving him.

[AHK]

You actually did, but this suggests you are unaware of it. Regardless, I used it with humorous intent..
 
I already said why I come here. We're both NS Fans. I just tire of the negativity that is often based on plain wrong information. 
 
There isn't really an argument here except attacking why I'm here and the like. 
 
I struck out the word because often I am actually using facts to correct opinions. If I'm wrong, please illustrate an example! Attacking my credentials or how I act kind of just falls back to the quote I used

Actually, I didn't. I don't shy away from being direct, as you know. If I insulted you, you and everyone else would know.

Again, I don't care what kind of fan you are. It doesn't change why you came here, and the bold is an illustration of everything Ive said. You're literally the Jehovas Witness of pro-enders.

I wouldn't be attacking it if you'd actually be up front about it instead of pretending to be better than everyone else here.

Sorry, but me having a duplicate word has nothing to do with using facts and correct opinions. The word these has nothing to do with any opinion that can be made. The word these is not a word stating fact. You did it because it was a way for you to stroke your ego by getting a one up on me for a lapse of diction. Another example of this is your last sentence, where you use credentials, as if you're an expert on what it is you're talking about. The only credentials you need to say anything here is a username and a password.

Like I said, be here all you want, have whatever opinions you want, they don't affect me. But don't bs on why it is you're actually here.

Edited by AHK, 16 November 2017 - 05:21 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Actually, I didn’t. I don’t shy away from being direct, as you know. If I insulted you, you and everyone else would know.

Again, I don’t care what kind of fan you are. It doesn’t change why you came here, and the bold is an illustration of everything I’ve said. You’re literally the Jehova’s Witness of pro-enders.

I wouldn’t be attacking it if you’d actually be up front about it instead of pretending to be better than everyone else here.

Sorry, but me having a duplicate word has nothing to do with “using facts and correct opinions”. There word “these” has nothing to do with any opinion that can be made. The word “these” is not a word stating fact. You did it because it was a way for you to stroke your ego by getting a one up on me for a lapse of diction. Another example of this is your last sentence, where you use “credentials”, as if you’re an expert on what it is you’re talking about. The only credentials you need to say anything here is a username and a password.

Like I said, be here all you want, have whatever opinions you want, they don’t affect me. But don’t bs on why it is you’re actually here.

 

I'm glad someone else is saying this, AHK, since (redacted) has pissed me off with her holier-than-thou attitude, which is one of the biggest reasons I am not wanting to acknowledge her at all. She is so fake that she cannot admit she's only here because of the fact we got a different opinion from her. It irritates me she just can't be straight up and refuses to accept we're not all gonna have the same opinions, and we're also gonna make thoughts to why we think things are bull**** like it is right now in the Naruto universe.

[DrK]

Just a general musing: Why is it even necessary to "fact check"? You can tell me Naruto moved on but I'll never believe that he actually would. Neither will anyone else. You're just wasting your time. And no guest who came here to do anything other than laugh at people complaining about the ending will ever agree with you. And the fact that they can't ignore you without registering an account will annoy the hell out of them.

Edited by DrK, 16 November 2017 - 03:49 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Yeah. Did you read my story where Sakura gets horribly traumatized by Sasuke's genjutsu and hates him as a result? It might be my favorite NS related thing I wrote.

No I havent but I shall go and read it.

[sushi.]

Yeah. Did you read my story where Sakura gets horribly traumatized by Sasuke's genjutsu and hates him as a result? It might be my favorite NS related thing I wrote.

If she's not traumatized nothing would make sense. I don't think she'd start hating him, because then she should've done that before. But if Kishi intended to make SS canon that scene was entirely unnecessary, and it was anyway because it is never talked about again. Not to mention it happened after Sasuke's redemption, so he's "good" by then.

[DrK]

If she's not traumatized nothing would make sense. I don't think she'd start hating him, because then she should've done that before. But if Kishi intended to make SS canon that scene was entirely unnecessary, and it was anyway because it is never talked about again. Not to mention it happened after Sasuke's redemption, so he's "good" by then.

Well, she more so fears him and never wants to see him again because she gets reminded of it. I also give an explanation why she could have brushed it off that doesn't apply in the story. Basically that it wouldn't be convincing, just painful and surprising. I guess that's what we are meant to believe happens in the canon.

 

I am up to a thousand at this point...

Every time <redacted> uses the word "odd", or makes a crappy post hoc argument, add 2 points to your score.

Edited by DrK, 16 November 2017 - 02:14 PM.