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[Phantom_999]

Don't forget how Naruto was supposed to be some "ninja jesus" that is supposed to end conflict but by the time of Boruto, all villages are STILL giving out mission to infiltrate and back stabbing each other

[James S Cassidy]

 

Mm, Well I perfectly agree with what you say but I just want to add my 2 cents on it. American Comic books is a situation by situation evaluation. It is because being as long running as they are, they eventually change copyrights, writers which then have their own thought process and their own conception of the character. Naruto does not have that excuse. Sure the "writers changing" part is debatable since it is not even Kishi writing the story but just doing what ever his editor says without putting his own thought process into it (and he did switch editors constantly since Yahagi left), but Naruto is a linear canon that never left  it's creator's pen and paper and never had it's copyright sold out to another company. Japanese manga is different from America comic books  in that they follow only  a singular story line without change and therefore readers have a RIGHT to demand character consistency

And I completely agree with you in that respect. DC has more leeway and more understanding on why things occur which means there is more pressure for manga artist and writers to stick to the consistency and a bigger risk when they don't. That being said, I find that manga is slowly becoming like this over the years especially with properties as popular as DBZ and such. It has been specifically shown that Toriyama doesn't write Dragonball as extensive as people think and only gives basic outlines and goals. How to reach those goals is put upon two other writers and they explain this at convention once I believe. Bluestar showed it to me so maybe he still has it.

However, what does this mean for the Boruto manga that is not being written by Kishimoto or drawn? it specifically says: "Original series creator Masashi Kishimoto is supervising the series illustrated by his former chief assistant and written by his co-writer of the Boruto: Naruto the Movie screenplay"

What does that mean "supervising?" How much does Kishimoto get involved? We don't know and they don't say. Supervising can be from helping with direction of the story, to character designs, to just walking in and saying "Okay." He could just let them do whatever they want with his property and not care at all at this point. Toriyama said the same thing with DBGT. He didn't watch them around the clock make the series and had nothing to do with it outside of "Drawing a couple of designs"

"Unlike the previous anime series in the Dragon Ball franchise, Dragon Ball GT does not adapt the manga series written by Akira Toriyama, but tells an original story conceived by the Toei Animation staff using the same characters and universe from the original Dragon Ball manga and it continues the story where Dragon Ball Z had left off. Toriyama did, however, come up with the Dragon Ball GT name, which stands for "Grand Touring" in reference to the series having the characters travel through the universe, and designed the appearances of the main cast"

Which is what I think Boruto has become. All Kishimoto did was provide some sketches and let everyone else do whatever they wanted. He had nothing to do with the production of it or how the story is written.

Heck, looking at Dragonball as example, how would you feel is Kishimoto came back to Naruto and just rewrote everything saying "Well, Boruto is just a what-if side-story. This is what really happens" and rewrites the entire story where NS and SK is canon and calls it basically "Naruto Shippuden Super" where the whoel plot of Boruto is not even mentioned and it is all different. Where Bolt is different and Salad are still in, but they are different characters.

Would you believe me if this is what happens in the future?

It's kind of funny how some of these pro-enders will say that all of this is canon because Kishimoto approved of it, but say that Dragonball GT is NOT canon even when Toriyama approved of that too. Technically, since timelines have been proven in Dragonball now thanks to the Trunks arc, Dragonball GT could be just one of the timelines that happens. Like DC with the 52 universes after the Flashpoint paradoxes, Trunks just dissected the timelines. (There is like three to four different Trunks, three difference Cells, two different androids, and like 4 different Gokus)

I see it as completely possible for Naruto to do the same especially if they wanted to use Time-Space jutsu into the equation.

In fact, maybe I even want that to occur. This was the NH and SS get what they want and NS and SK get what they want. Everyone wins....except there will still be arguments over who is the better timeline, but Kishimoo can just leave it to "You guys can figure that one out. I am retiring."

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 13 November 2017 - 09:42 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

And I completely agree with you in that respect. DC has more leeway and more understanding on why things occur which means there is more pressure for manga artist and writers to stick to the consistency and a bigger risk when they don't. That being said, I find that manga is slowly becoming like this over the years especially with properties as popular as DBZ and such. It has been specifically shown that Toriyama doesn't write Dragonball as extensive as people think and only gives basic outlines and goals. How to reach those goals is put upon two other writers and they explain this at convention once I believe. Bluestar showed it to me so maybe he still has it.

However, what does this mean for the Boruto manga that is not being written by Kishimoto or drawn? it specifically says: "Original series creator Masashi Kishimoto is supervising the series illustrated by his former chief assistant and written by his co-writer of the Boruto: Naruto the Movie screenplay"

What does that mean "supervising?" How much does Kishimoto get involved? We don't know and they don't say. Supervising can be from helping with direction of the story, to character designs, to just walking in and saying "Okay." He could just let them do whatever they want with his property and not care at all at this point. Toriyama said the same thing with DBGT. He didn't watch them around the clock make the series and had nothing to do with it outside of "Drawing a couple of designs"

"Unlike the previous anime series in the Dragon Ball franchise, Dragon Ball GT does not adapt the manga series written by Akira Toriyama, but tells an original story conceived by the Toei Animation staff using the same characters and universe from the original Dragon Ball manga and it continues the story where Dragon Ball Z had left off. Toriyama did, however, come up with the Dragon Ball GT name, which stands for "Grand Touring" in reference to the series having the characters travel through the universe, and designed the appearances of the main cast"

Which is what I think Boruto has become. All Kishimoto did was provide some sketches and let everyone else do whatever they wanted. He had nothing to do with the production of it or how the story is written.

Heck, looking at Dragonball as example, how would you feel is Kishimoto came back to Naruto and just rewrote everything saying "Well, Boruto is just a what-if side-story. This is what really happens" and rewrites the entire story where NS and SK is canon and calls it basically "Naruto Shippuden Super" where the whoel plot of Boruto is not even mentioned and it is all different. Where Bolt is different and Salad are still in, but they are different characters.

Would you believe me if this is what happens in the future?

It's kind of funny how some of these pro-enders will say that all of this is canon because Kishimoto approved of it, but say that Dragonball GT is NOT canon even when Toriyama approved of that too. Technically, since timelines have been proven in Dragonball now thanks to the Trunks arc, Dragonball GT could be just one of the timelines that happens. Like DC with the 52 universes after the Flashpoint paradoxes, Trunks just dissected the timelines. (There is like three to four different Trunks, three difference Cells, two different androids, and like 4 different Gokus)

I see it as completely possible for Naruto to do the same especially if they wanted to use Time-Space jutsu into the equation.

In fact, maybe I even want that to occur. This was the NH and SS get what they want and NS and SK get what they want. Everyone wins....except there will still be arguments over who is the better timeline, but Kishimoo can just leave it to "You guys can figure that one out. I am retiring."

 

The thing is James we both know that Kishi will never do that, heck like you said man Toriyama said GT is just another time line, he does hate the live action film, its also the same with DC and Marvel as well they have many time-lines that they do like the spider man renew your vows which is epic by the ways, and does wash away "One more Day."

 

its the same with Kojima James he ended MGS and with the new Metal gear survive, he said its not canon to the games of MGS, I know there are others but with SP and the crazy NH fans I don't ever see something like another time-line with NS man I want to but we have to remember James that this is Kishi and well we know he is not that bright really, he cares more for the Uchiha and Sasuke and how we should feel sorry for them,

 

I mean I will say that some things that DC, Marvel and even some anime do are bad, I will agree DB super has kittened some thing up man, but what he does the fights the growth aka Vegeta I mean look how far he has grown was there waiting for Bra/Bulla to be born Sasuke wouldn't do that.

 

Gohan and Videl relationship in episode 73 and 74 its far better that Naruto and Hinata, as Gohan loves his family and Videl knows Gohan so well, they are like the NaruSaku of Dragonball.

 

 

lol funny thing is James with GT I call it Goku Time, I won't be buying Metal gear survive either Boruto I just ignor and watch other new anime and Super and Pokemon Sun and Moon and re-buying old Superman comics but hey man found one was the very first ever issue that Superman showed up in.

[DrK]

I am not kidding we thought the villains were pathetic before because their motives were so shallow, but now...Toneri just dug a hole and lowered the bar even more. "If I can't have HInata, I will blow up the world." Really? At least Obito wanted to enslave it and live in a world where noone ever faced the pain of lose again, but damn....you want to blow up the world because a girl didn't love you? How shallow can you kittening get?

Well, if NS had actually happened, maybe Hinata would have gotten over it by then and actually liked Toneri. He's a good looking guy and he's pretty cool, right? He was pretty smooth with the whole "I'm a dashing prince come to take you away" thing.

 

Then we wouldn't have any problems.

 

Instead the guy is stuck on the moon by himself forever, slowly going insane. Well done, Naruto and Sakura.

Edited by DrK, 14 November 2017 - 12:28 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I don't think Hinata would have gotten over it, maybe its cause I hate how her fans make her out to be this god or angel that can do nothing wrong, but I hate it so much.

[DrK]

I don't think Hinata would have gotten over it, maybe its cause I hate how her fans make her out to be this god or angel that can do nothing wrong, but I hate it so much.

It would have made for a much better movie though. Kiba goes to the moon and tries to fight Toneri off, but Hinata is like "I actually kind of like him, Kiba" "Oh..." and Kiba walks back to Earth with his head hanging.

 

The End.

Edited by DrK, 14 November 2017 - 12:45 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

It would have made for a much better movie though. Kiba goes to the moon and tries to fight Toneri off, but Hinata is like "I actually kind of like him, Kiba" "Oh..." and Kiba walks back to Earth with his head hanging.

 

The End.

lol Kiba is the Yamcha of Naruto.

[VanitasDS76491]

Marvel and DC does this all the time...especially when the fans start crying they don't like something.
Look at DC Rebirth which came about because people hated how Superman was and how he was with Wonder Woman the whole time. I get they hated Superman's character, but...
Okay this might sound hypocritical at first, but I will explain. One reason the fans hated the New52 Superman was because he was with Wonder Woman as a couple. They thought it was cliche and downright stupid. I thought it was okay...I just didn't like how Superman turned into this massive jerk and became super edgy. He made Batman look like My Little Pony.
Now, unlike NH and SS, Superman and Wonder Woman had development throughout the story. In fact, they made it look like Superman never even met Lois and Steve Trevor was too controlling for Wonder Woman's taste. I get it, try something new, but the fact that they wanted to change that aspect because "Superman had to be with Lois" and not "This is horrible writing" is disturbing.
Stories are, to me, a situation by situation evaluation. I understand that this may come off as hypocritical in how I want to change NH and SS, but keep Superman and WW together. However, DC is always changing while Naruto is one-off so there is no multiple universe Naruto...or there is, but they don't explore it much.
I just find that the way Naruto as a story went and how the fans react makes me think that they should have made NS to begin with and they should change it to them as such. Instead, they keep going with it despite the massive problems...not just with the pairings, but with how the characters are portrayed.
So in way, I want it changed because I don't like how the story is written and thinks that changing the pairings would help change all of it to start with. Meanwhile in DC I think not changing the pairings would be better and instead just changing the characters to be better personality wise instead of just saying "Kill New52 Superman off and then bring in Classic Superman" which they did in DC Rebirth. I am not sure why they turned Superman into this extremely edgy character in the mist of the New52 run, but it was a bad idea. Superman cannot be Batman. Let Superman be Superman.
Confusing? Sorry, I am trying to explain my reasoning. All stories are different in how they flow. Like I said, I base it off how the story is written in itself.

 
Agreed but superman and wonderwoman only work if Lois is dead like in the injustice and kingdom come worlds, so there might be a very slim chance NS could happen but by that point we still won't forgive him, cause we aren't idiots.
 

The thing is James we both know that Kishi will never do that, heck like you said man Toriyama said GT is just another time line, he does hate the live action film, its also the same with DC and Marvel as well they have many time-lines that they do like the spider man renew your vows which is epic by the ways, and does wash away "One more Day."
 
its the same with Kojima James he ended MGS and with the new Metal gear survive, he said its not canon to the games of MGS, I know there are others but with SP and the crazy NH fans I don't ever see something like another time-line with NS man I want to but we have to remember James that this is Kishi and well we know he is not that bright really, he cares more for the Uchiha and Sasuke and how we should feel sorry for them,
 
I mean I will say that some things that DC, Marvel and even some anime do are bad, I will agree DB super has kittened some thing up man, but what he does the fights the growth aka Vegeta I mean look how far he has grown was there waiting for Bra/Bulla to be born Sasuke wouldn't do that.
 
Gohan and Videl relationship in episode 73 and 74 its far better that Naruto and Hinata, as Gohan loves his family and Videl knows Gohan so well, they are like the NaruSaku of Dragonball.
 

 
lol funny thing is James with GT I call it Goku Time, I won't be buying Metal gear survive either Boruto I just ignor and watch other new anime and Super and Pokemon Sun and Moon and re-buying old Superman comics but hey man found one was the very first ever issue that Superman showed up in.

Ya metal gear ended at 5 even if it was half done. Ya dc has been releasing older comics for their heroes back from the 30s I've got the first volumes of the golden age of superman including action comics 1 and on still need batman, wonderwoman, green Lantern, flash, justice League and so on. Funny thing about 73 and 74 of super with Gohan and Videl that's filler is better than all of nh moment and no sasuke wouldn't do anything vegeta did for his family dudes never even around for he's family but cause he's sasuke he gets a pass, I'm sorry but no. God spocks head would explode trying to figure out the logic here.

Edited by VanitasDS76491, 14 November 2017 - 01:16 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Well, if NS had actually happened, maybe Hinata would have gotten over it by then and actually liked Toneri. He's a good looking guy and he's pretty cool, right? He was pretty smooth with the whole "I'm a dashing prince come to take you away" thing.
 
Then we wouldn't have any problems.
 
Instead the guy is stuck on the moon by himself forever, slowly going insane. Well done, Naruto and Sakura.

Or better make hinata a villain.

[DrK]

Tips for firearm safety/making a consistent argument: When aiming, don't make the target your foot.

Edited by DrK, 14 November 2017 - 05:23 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

The thing is James we both know that Kishi will never do that

It's funny you say that, but we have been wrong before. We never thought Kishimoto would make NH and SS canon and we were wrong. We thought Kishimoto would never make Naruto into a scumbag...and we were wrong.

I still don't quite get why, if NH and SS was the intention, why he made them so miserable? Why say that there is no reason why SS is together and that they could get a divorce if the intention was to put them together in the first place?

Why would you purposely make the cast so miserable and unhappy?

 

Well, if NS had actually happened, maybe Hinata would have gotten over it by then and actually liked Toneri. He's a good looking guy and he's pretty cool, right? He was pretty smooth with the whole "I'm a dashing prince come to take you away" thing.

 

Then we wouldn't have any problems.

 

Instead the guy is stuck on the moon by himself forever, slowly going insane. Well done, Naruto and Sakura.

If HInata loved Naruto since the beginning...then she deserves him.

However....
If Naruto loves Sakura since the beginning, he doesn't deserve her

If Toneri loved Hinata since the beginning, he doesn't deserve her.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 14 November 2017 - 08:56 AM.

[DrK]

It's funny you say that, but we have been wrong before. We never thought Kishimoto would make NH and SS canon and we were wrong. We thought Kishimoto would never make Naruto into a scumbag...and we were wrong.

I still don't quite get why, if NH and SS was the intention, why he made them so miserable? Why say that there is no reason why SS is together and that they could get a divorce if the intention was to put them together in the first place?

Why would you purposely make the cast so miserable and unhappy?

 

If HInata loved Naruto since the beginning...then she deserves him.

However....
If Naruto loves Sakura since the beginning, he doesn't deserve her

If Toneri loved Hinata since the beginning, he doesn't deserve her.

Well, I explained why I thought SS was made miserable before. Naruto, I don't know. I guess he might really hate Naruto now, because he cared more about what a bunch of frankly terrible and cancerous fans wanted than what Naruto wanted.

Edited by DrK, 14 November 2017 - 05:09 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Well, I explained why I thought SS was made miserable before. Naruto, I don't know. I guess he might really hate Naruto now, because he cared more about what a bunch of frankly terrible and cancerous fans wanted than what Naruto wanted.

And unlike the buzzing noise we've had to deal with here at H&E (you know who), we understand that Kishimoto backtracked so badly, it seems as if he didn't care what happened next as long as he got out of the story. But a lot of what he did sure made it feel like he genuinely disliked, even outright hated Naruto the series AND the character himself. Why else would he fail to show us the end of his journey for real? Why else would he make the inauguration of Nsruto as Hokage be more about comedy than Naruto's dream being accomplished? Why else make him avoid his family like he does? That's the thing NH fans don't get ever; they just wanted what they wanted for Hinata and didn't give a **** about Naruto and his happiness. This is why they cannot see that their "precious win" is nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory in the end.

And with that rant, I am dropping the mic! *drops the mic*

[Kagomaru]

And unlike the buzzing noise we've had to deal with here at H&E (you know who), we understand that Kishimoto backtracked so badly, it seems as if he didn't care what happened next as long as he got out of the story. But a lot of what he did sure made it feel like he genuinely disliked, even outright hated Naruto the series AND the character himself. Why else would he fail to show us the end of his journey for real? Why else would he make the inauguration of Nsruto as Hokage be more about comedy than Naruto's dream being accomplished? Why else make him avoid his family like he does? That's the thing NH fans don't get ever; they just wanted what they wanted for Hinata and didn't give a **** about Naruto and his happiness. This is why they cannot see that their "precious win" is nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory in the end.

And with that rant, I am dropping the mic! *drops the mic*

 

And unlike the buzzing noise we've had to deal with here at H&E (you know who), we understand that Kishimoto backtracked so badly, it seems as if he didn't care what happened next as long as he got out of the story. But a lot of what he did sure made it feel like he genuinely disliked, even outright hated Naruto the series AND the character himself. Why else would he fail to show us the end of his journey for real? Why else would he make the inauguration of Nsruto as Hokage be more about comedy than Naruto's dream being accomplished? Why else make him avoid his family like he does? That's the thing NH fans don't get ever; they just wanted what they wanted for Hinata and didn't give a **** about Naruto and his happiness. This is why they cannot see that their "precious win" is nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory in the end.

And with that rant, I am dropping the mic! *drops the mic*

I anticipate the day when he is released from his occupation as "editor", starts his new manga (hopefully with a different publisher like Kodansha) and finally lays out his true feelings about the series without any constraints.

[James S Cassidy]

Well, I explained why I thought SS was made miserable before. Naruto, I don't know. I guess he might really hate Naruto now, because he cared more about what a bunch of frankly terrible and cancerous fans wanted than what Naruto wanted.

I know, I read it, but the question is more an armor peircing question to him and more rhetorical.

Is this what he really wanted? This is how he really wanted Naruto to end? This is how he saw the series ending after 15 years of all that work? I remember interviews where he talked about his personal life and his family life saying that his kids were upset that he worked too much. Probably that is why Naruto is a workaholic and why Boruto points this out. If Naruto is a reflection of himself.

I guess maybe he thought he wanted to end Naruto as quickly as he could beause he got tired of it. He got bored of writing it so he took short cuts and easy ways outs. He just wanted to end it to spend time with his family. He used to talk about his next project of being a sci-fi manga and you notice he didn't even start that. He never even talked about that at all. He seemed more adamant about retiring.

Imagine if it was you and you got so fed up with this story that you just wanted it to end. You dreaded coming to work. Now, I know most here would probably say that it would not stop them from making a good ending, but also imagine you get pressured by so many telling you "Dude, you got to make NH canon. That is what the fans wanted." Only to say "You do it then. I am just going to end the manga with Sasuke and Naruto fighting." This is why there is this time skip and the movie was made to explain it.

What if he got to the point where he just say "It's just a story....I don't care anymore" and just let it go to ruins by whoevers hand. This might seem bad practice, but this can happen. We all have limits after all. I just wonder if they just put his name on the Boruto manga simply because they think people will buy it. "Well, Kishimoto supervises it, so that means it is canon."This is what I hear pro-enders say a lot too which can totally be not the case at times. He wrote and supervised the Road to Ninja movie, but that doesn't mean it was canon. Look at Dragonball GT. It is technically not canon, but Toriyama sort of supervised it and approved it. That is until Dragonball Super came and redid it.

 

I just want to know honestly....is this truly what he intended? Is this the "magnificent ending" that he thought the manga needed? To me, it doesn't seem like it. The fact that most of it seems so rushed with little to know explanation from him all the while every other writer trying to fill in the blanks for him is telling.

Dragonball Z ended in 1996
Dragonball Super started in 2015

That's a 9 years gap between "canon" installments.

Naruto ended in 2014
Imagine if Naruto was rewritten in 2023.

I am just saying.....what if? You can say you won't believe it, you can say Kishimoto wouldn't do that, you can say that is not like Kishimoto, but wait...just humor me. If 2023 rolls around and nothing happens in the Naruto-verse...then I will gladly say I am wrong, but I want to see if a repeat of history is going to happen.

 

If it was you and you took a long look and deep breath...would you just sit there and watch your creation burn or would you jump at an opportunity to change it all if you could? I don't know about you, but I would.

I would cut out the last two chapters and and say "This is where the real story ends...we start where Naruto and Sasuke are on the ground bloody and broken on the floor after their intense battle."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 14 November 2017 - 05:41 PM.

[DrK]

I know, I read it, but the question is more an armor peircing question to him and more rhetorical.

Even only 5 years can change who a person is a lot. So 15 years would have meant a great change for what Kishimoto thought was important. The things he thought were important when he started, or when he was writing the early Shippuden NS stuff, had probably changed a great deal by the time the end rolled around. It just wasn't important enough to him anymore to fight against what he (thought) people wanted. The fact that everyone around him apparently loved NH wouldn't have helped, at all.

[James S Cassidy]

Even only 5 years can change who a person is a lot. So 15 years would have meant a great change for what Kishimoto thought was important. The things he thought were important when he started, or when he was writing the early Shippuden NS stuff, had probably changed a great deal by the time the end rolled around. It just wasn't important enough to him anymore to fight against what he (thought) people wanted. The fact that everyone around him apparently loved NH wouldn't have helped, at all.

So if given a chance...would he change it? If 5 years can change so much...would he take up the opportunity to say "I am changing it." If Toriyama can do it and be successful with a little effort...he can do if he plays it right. If thr wounds heal enough and he is willing to stand against it.

That's the million dollor questions.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 14 November 2017 - 06:17 PM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I know, I read it, but the question is more an armor peircing question to him and more rhetorical.
Is this what he really wanted? This is how he really wanted Naruto to end? This is how he saw the series ending after 15 years of all that work? I remember interviews where he talked about his personal life and his family life saying that his kids were upset that he worked too much. Probably that is why Naruto is a workaholic and why Boruto points this out. If Naruto is a reflection of himself.

I guess maybe he thought he wanted to end Naruto as quickly as he could beause he got tired of it. He got bored of writing it so he took short cuts and easy ways outs. He just wanted to end it to spend time with his family. He used to talk about his next project of being a sci-fi manga and you notice he didn't even start that. He never even talked about that at all. He seemed more adamant about retiring.

Imagine if it was you and you got so fed up with this story that you just wanted it to end. You dreaded coming to work. Now, I know most here would probably say that it would not stop them from making a good ending, but also imagine you get pressured by so many telling you "Dude, you got to make NH canon. That is what the fans wanted." Only to say "You do it then. I am just going to end the manga with Sasuke and Naruto fighting." This is why there is this time skip and the movie was made to explain it.

What if he got to the point where he just say "It's just a story....I don't care anymore" and just let it go to ruins by whoevers hand. This might seem bad practice, but this can happen. We all have limits after all. I just wonder if they just put his name on the Boruto manga simply because they think people will buy it. "Well, Kishimoto supervises it, so that means it is canon."This is what I hear pro-enders say a lot too which can totally be not the case at times. He wrote and supervised the Road to Ninja movie, but that doesn't mean it was canon. Look at Dragonball GT. It is technically not canon, but Toriyama sort of supervised it and approved it. That is until Dragonball Super came and redid it.
 
I just want to know honestly....is this truly what he intended? Is this the "magnificent ending" that he thought the manga needed? To me, it doesn't seem like it. The fact that most of it seems so rushed with little to know explanation from him all the while every other writer trying to fill in the blanks for him is telling.

Dragonball Z ended in 1996
Dragonball Super started in 2015

That's a 9 years gap between "canon" installments.

Naruto ended in 2014
Imagine if Naruto was rewritten in 2023.

I am just saying.....what if? You can say you won't believe it, you can say Kishimoto wouldn't do that, you can say that is not like Kishimoto, but wait...just humor me. If 2023 rolls around and nothing happens in the Naruto-verse...then I will gladly say I am wrong, but I want to see if a repeat of history is going to happen.
 
If it was you and you took a long look and deep breath...would you just sit there and watch your creation burn or would you jump at an opportunity to change it all if you could? I don't know about you, but I would.

I would cut out the last two chapters and and say "This is where the real story ends...we start where Naruto and Sasuke are on the ground bloody and broken on the floor after their intense battle."

I suggest to look at "Full Ahead! Coco" franchise, author wrote a manga, then it took him whole 10 years to write a sequell that is based in same world, but is not directly connected to original characters. And now he started third works that is about grown up MC of 1st manga.

[James S Cassidy]

I suggest to look at "Full Ahead! Coco" franchise, author wrote a manga, then it took him whole 10 years to write a sequell that is based in same world, but is not directly connected to original characters. And now he started third works that is about grown up MC of 1st manga.

Did he let other people write the story for him anywhere along those lines and proclaimed it canon or did he write it all himself?

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Did he let other people write the story for him anywhere along those lines and proclaimed it canon or did he write it all himself?

 

I hope we get an answer, James, 'cause I hate when mangaka do that crap. Also, I am hearing more of that buzzing... @_@ And it is getting louder because it won't get recognized fully by us.