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[Phantom_999]

 

Oh please. I still don't understand why people think Itachi is that powerful. There are only statements of him defeating Orochimaru and the like and him whooping Sasuke's ass.

I bet you Gai could have killed Itachi faster than he wrecked Kisame. I don't understand this mindset that people have regarding Itachi and Madara. Like they're some kind of unbeatable badasses.

 

That is one of SEVERAL instances where Kishi tells and doesn't show. It is actually a huge short coming of his. He LOVES to hype up a character and the character is  either not shown or doesn't even live up to the hype they are given

[DrK]

Itachi was overhyped and never had a chance to really fight anyone who tested him, since he just lost on purpose to Sasuke, but he had to be stronger than Kisame/Gai. There was so much wank about how strong Sasuke was at that point, yet Itachi apparently would have won easily despite having a terrible illness that was hours away from killing him. So Healthy Itachi would be way up there.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Agree on all of it - Sasuke is billed as the prodigy and genius, but really, his genius was in copying things (as that's what the sharingan allowed you to do). So no big surprise there. But Naruto has no such skill. So his comes from power, determination and sheer grit. It's unfortunate that this divide was not focused on more as they grew up: Sasuke becoming a master copy ninja and Naruto becoming a power-based one. Who ultimately is more powerful? Where does real genius lie, in replication or innovation? And Kakashi would have been a good example of that later one too, as the all powerful and fearsome Copy Ninja, who's better known for his sharing skills than for his own clan and namesake's skills. So it could have been a statement about which is better copying someone else's moves or refining your own. But...Kishi dropped that thread, and comparing and contrasting Sasuke and Naruto's power was let go. 

 

Itachi's illness — yes, I would have liked to have seen more of that. And have it tied somehow to the 'cursed clan' instead of boo-hoo-they-love-too-much-and-it-makes-them-crazy. Itachi's illness could have ramped up Sasuke's story if he knew that if he overused his sharingan it might kill him too. His illness was a cop-out, but it could have been a good facet to the Uchiha backstory. 

 

Kakashi killing Rin — another missed opportunity. As you said, there's no backstory around it, some of the details don't make sense (like when you look at the timeline, etc) and when you try to make sense of Tobi/Obito so quickly being able to go back and kill Minato. It just doesn't hold water if you think about it too much. But the worst about Kakashi and Rin is that if Kakashi-Rin-Obito are supposed to be Sasuke-Sakura-Naruto, then there is foreshadowing for Sasuke 'killing' Sakura in Kakashi's backstory. But the Obito/Naruto parallel never comes full circle because where Obito freaks out and tries to kill everyone, Naruto just goes 'Eh, don't be so hard on her,' and moves on. Naruto is not Obito, and the parallel falls apart. So it's a missed opportunity because that flashback could have informed their future — Kakashi could have used his past to help change the future, and not make his same mistakes (you know, intervene with Sakura in the name of Rin). But he doesn't. 

 

Yeah - Itachi was billed as being a bigger prodigy than Sasuke. And he always has a-plan-beneath-a-plan. But when he turned out to be a martyr then his whole story fell apart. I wish Itachi was someone corrupted by his own power who yet still loved his brother. So he was deeply complicated. Not that he loved peace so much he killed everyone he came across, like we're told in the story. 

1.) Naruto and Sasuke were, as always, opposite ends of the spectrum that would end up crashing in the middle.

Sasuke could instantly get down the basics with the Sharingan, but it was still up to him and taking time to train and such in order to actually master anything he copies while also building up his reserves to be able to use a bunch of things without being drained too much.

Naruto usually has a bit of difficulty getting the basics down, but once he does, he can quickly master things with the Kage Bunshin and has massive chakra reserves already to be able to use those things. (On that note, it's further hypocrisy on peoples' part to call Sasuke a "cheater" because of being able to copy things with the Sharingan, yet are perfectly fine with Naruto "cheating" to quickly master things with the Kage Bunshin.)

So Sasuke would have a greater number of options in his arsenal, but he would be much slower in making them more powerful while Naruto would have far less options in his arsenal, but he can make what few he has as strong as possible in a much shorter amount of time. So would the greater mastery and power of what few things Naruto has be able to overcome the less powerful, but many more things Sasuke has?

But then they both became about Dragon Ball style of fighting, so...yeah...lol


2.) Itachi could have been like Archer / EMIYA from the Fate/stay night story, which would have been a lot more interesting.

3.) If anything, Kakashi used the past as an excuse to NOT move on, like if he made Sasuke into something "great", then it would somehow "redeem" him for failing to save Obito or something, but if that were true, why not train Naruto too due to them also being so similar personality-wise? Why not train Sakura because of what happened with Rin? So as you said, it just doesn't really hold up well and just looks like the typical Uchiha / Sasuke wanking.
 

[DrK]

Kakashi also didn't tell Naruto about the Kage Bunshin kitten until super late for whatever reason. He probably didn't want him to know so that Sasuke wouldn't be weaker than him. I realize it's just because Kishimoto just didn't think of it yet, but seriously, screw that guy.

 

His actions look really, REALLY bad in retrospect.

Edited by DrK, 06 November 2017 - 09:36 PM.

[AHK]

 

The entire point of Sakura's words is a plea for him to stop because she loves him and does -not- want him to go on this path. That is the narrative intent. Not sure how you are missing this. I'll even go back and go through it passage by passage when I've time to pull up some panels, if you want some greater expansion on this.

 

You still haven't even elaborated on your Tsundere argument. You've literally just repeated yourself. Her personality, demeanor, and how she acts around Naruto, you say, but you don't -define- any of it. Tsundere is very specific after all, and requires both Tsun tsun and dere dere. Displaying temper alone doesn't work as evidence. 

 

You've kind of double downed on the bashing, but whatever. 

Except that is exactly what the discussion was about. Again, your exact quote was "This does not equate to holding this love above all things, given she did not initiate said love until Sasuke changed", except that your quote is absolutely incorrect, as she was groveling on her feet pleading him to love her, before Sasuke changed. He was still trying to murder everybody while she was begging him to love her. You're wrong, again. 

 

I did elaborate on my statement. Sakura is a tsundere through and through. Everything about her character is a sign of being a tsundere, from her character traits to how she acts around Naruto. The only thing that isn't a sign of being a tsundere is how shamefully she acts around Sasuke. 

 

I haven't doubled down on bashing, I've doubled down on truth. Sakura is a doormat around Sasuke. That isn't bashing, that's a fact. You not liking it because it goes against your headcanons is not my problem and it does not constitute bashing. She gets waled all over in regards to Sasuke, and it's pathetic. That's fact, whether you like it or not.

If Sakura had been a real person, she would have been so kittening terrified of Sasuke at the end. Maybe she could still have pulled off her confession in 693, but when he reached out to poke her in 699, she would have been cowering in fear. I mean that could have easily become another Chidori, which would have ended her life instantly. It doesn't matter that the last one was a genjutsu, it would have felt real. She would have probably developed PTSD and jumped to hide behind Kakashi. She would have asked Naruto to come with her to the village gates so that she could even feel safe. It's like the canon Sakura has no sense of self-preservation. 

There is zero reason for her to have loved Sasuke, and it's gross that they ended up together, given the abusive nature of the ship. The people that defended it are worse still. 

Edited by AHK, 06 November 2017 - 09:45 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Yeah. I'm writing a story now where Sakura decides she doesn't want to be with Sasuke after her crappy display at the end of the war but Naruto won't accept her. He's seeing Hinata and Sakura confronts him and he's like "You want me to dump Hinata because you found feelings for me five years later?" and she goes on a huge tirade about how she always liked him and she did that in the LOI because she wanted to be with him, not Sasuke. And he ultimately pushed her towards Sasuke. "Do you feel good that you saved me from lying to myself? Do I look happy to you?!" "No..."

 

When I finished writing it, I realized they could have the exact same conversation in the post 700 canon verse, with literally no change of wording except how many years later it was. He really did Sakura no favors whatsoever. Sakura was trying to control her own destiny but Naruto wouldn't let her. What a douchebag.

And Kishimoto could have done this and possibly redeem Sakura's confession in it's entirely just by doing this. You can even have Shikamaru or Ino or both be like "You two are the dumbest people we have ever met."

I always hated this plot point in Naruto. The main character telling people what they should feel insteads of trying to help them find a better answer. It never helps that way and sometimes pushing someone like that makes everything worse.

Bold: That is exactly what Japan thinks. He is a d-bag because for all the talk he does about being true to yourself, doing the right things, and so forth...he does the exact opposite himself. Basically, if anyone else does it, it is wrong and Naruto scolds you, but if Naruto himself does it...it is okay. What a selfish f!@# this Naruto is.
 

 

Actually that falls in line with a pet theory of mine  When you tell someone that they deserve better than you, you are disregarding that person's feelings for your own ego; to make yourself feel better which it doesn't. that is not humility, that is a sort of indirect arrogance. It is like basically saying "I know what's best for you and your opinions don't matter". Maybe not on a surface level but definitely subconsciously. If someone FEELS THAT WAY with you and you feel the same way about them ( the feeling is mutual in other words) then accepting them IS considering that person's feelings. If you ask me anyway 

 

This is especially true in my life. I have had several girfiends in my life and most would always me the "you can have any girl you wanted." I always replied back with "Well, why can I have you?" That always left with blank faces and then them getting angry. Instead of just telling me "I don't see you that way," they rather lie to me and think they are trying to be a good person.

Like the one you mentioned: "When you tell someone that they deserve better than you,"
I got this one too and after a while I was like "Well, why don't I deserve you? I didn't want "better" because to me you were the better." Again, it all ended in anger and with them thinking they are doing me a favor by being this nice person when really they were just lying to me about not wanting to be in a relationship. I never got this argument either. What do we really "deserve" and what is defined as "better?" This is what caused Naruto's downfall. It is not that he didn't love Sakura...it was that he felt he didn't deserve her. He just didn't accept or didn;t want to accept the reality in front of him.

It is almost like Naruto WANTS to be miserable.

(By the way, I even got the famous: "My boyfriend is in Iraq" one in collage a lot too. Every girl seemed to use that one as their excuse to not date me. The surprise on their face when I saw them dating and I went to their boyfriends saying "Oh glad you came back from Iraq. Good work, Soldier." And their boyfriends look at me like I was nuts and telling them that "Your girlfriend said you were in Iraq." I usually sat down next to her and said "Next time you don't want to date me...just say so. Don't feed me lies otherwise your boyfriend here might think you're untrustworthy." In a sadistic way, I am hoping their relationship fell apart because I did that in hoping to teach them a lesson about truth.)

A few other girlfriends I went through happened because my mother decided to tell me how to think instead of letting me be happy. The person I am marrying now, my mother tried to tell me that she was brainwashing me all because I decided to go on a planned date I had for a week with my girlfriend instead of going to Chilis with my mom who, instead of being an understanding person, decided to treat me like crap and disowned me.

 

 

Yeah, everyone was forced to conform to Naruto's way of thinking, even those who had been firmly entrenched in their beliefs for a decade or more like Nagato and Obito. Naruto also only seemed to make such attempts to (forcibly) change people when they're either "close" to him or he feels he can relate to on some level (Haku, Gaara, Nagato, Obito, etc.) but if they're neither of those things, Naruto has shown to be far less committed and caring, and can sometimes even be contemptuous of them. Some of the fillers or movies even have shown it, like Koyuki in the first movie; she asks Naruto why he keeps finding her and bringing her back. Usually, when it comes to someone "close" or relatable, Naruto would give some "good guy" speech that might inspire her to stop running away and such, but here, where he's not close to nor relates to Koyuki at all? It's because it's his mission...that's it. He doesn't care about stopping Doto, he doesn't care about the suffering the people were going through at his hands, it's just because it's his mission.

 

Indeed and sometimes it was justifiable. Gaara for example. They were exactly alike in almost every way. Others it seems less likely.

Actually what I find so silly is that 99% of the people he used TNJ on seemed to just go with the flow and immediatly accept Naruto at his word without any real argument. Even if they knew what Naruto was talking about was bull. That's what gets me. Naruto kept using the same arguments and people kept just going with it. No. Eventually you are going to find someone who either seen or experienced enough to know that what he was saying is bull or they just downright say "Yeah, cool story, bro, but I like being evil. It is alot more profitable."

Naruto would try to talk people out of doing bad things, but then when asked "Alright, well what is an alternative?" Naruto had no answer. He just talked people out of bieng evil because he said it was wrong with some of it being absolutly justifiable. He didn't solve their problems or solve their issues. "Violence is bad" "Why?" "Because I said so." "Well, what if the other person is worse than me and I want to kill them to protect others?" "It is still bad." "Why?" "I already said why, because I said so." This is what I like to call the "Because I'm Batman" argument.

The more the story kept going, the less it seemed like Naruto didn't know anything he was talking about. If anything, Gaara was the last person he actually talked to that he shared any connection with. The rest...well, Naruto was trying to brainwash. Nagato even asked him "How are you going to achieve world peace?" "I don't know" And then Nagato is just like "Well, that's good enough for me....let's bring back everyone I killed."

If it was THAT easy....we wouldn't be having the problems we have in real life.

"Naruto, how do you achieve world peace?"
"I don't know"

 

This is why I say that Naruto didn't achieve world peace....it was everyone else who did...Naruto just took the credit. If anything, Obito achieved world peace just by being evil and having the whole world against him. If not for Obito, Naruto wouldn't even be alive.

 

It's so screwed up how he's blatantly pushed towards Hinata in the Last (by Sakura, ironically)

 

Like if he doesn't want to walk home with her, isn't that because he probably isn't interested in her? Why do you have to tell him to do that? Just let things happen naturally.

 

Sakura really isn't a good friend for doing that. If she had any class she'd push him towards Ino. But I guess she didn't think very highly of him so she didn't want her friend to be stuck with him.

It reminds me of Natasha and Steve in the MCU The Winter Soldier. Why is Black Widow all of a sudden so interested in Captain America's love life? Even HISHE poked fun at it.

 

I mean, why wouldn't he be an alcoholic? His kids hate him, he ruined his life, and has to watch the woman he loved be miserable married to his best friend after she pushed him to marry someone he was never interested in. It's a pathetic existence. Why not have an escape from it? It's this kind of thing that is the reason people become alcoholics in the first place. Not just because of the effects from it. It's self-medication for a more serious problem.

 

Well, Naruto is more of a drunk. Alcoholics go to class and admit they have a problem. Naruto mostly just lives in denial.

 

I haven't doubled down on bashing, I've doubled down on truth. Sakura is a doormat around Sasuke. That isn't bashing, that's a fact. You not liking it because it goes against your headcanons is not my problem and it does not constitute bashing. She gets waled all over in regards to Sasuke, and it's pathetic. That's fact, whether you like it or not.

 

The bolded is the whole reason why most of the fans hate Sakura in the first place. Because she is a doormat to Sasuke. She is obsessive and she lets Sasuke do whatever he wants without saying a world and even excusing it.

Hinata is the exact same way though and it is distubring that Hinata gets praised for this while Sakura does not. Maybe because Naruto isn't upfront abusive to Hinata, but he is still neglectful to her.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 06 November 2017 - 11:35 PM.

[DrK]

The more the story kept going, the less it seemed like Naruto didn't know anything he was talking about. If anything, Gaara was the last person he actually talked to that he shared any connection with. The rest...well, Naruto was trying to brainwash. Nagato even asked him "How are you going to achieve world peace?" "I don't know" And then Nagato is just like "Well, that's good enough for me....let's bring back everyone I killed."

The Nagato thing seems like a great miracle that was wonderful for everyone, except I guess Nagato because it caused his death, but it was actually Naruto's doom. When this happened, Naruto was doomed to be miserable. He thought he could save everyone by being incredibly forgiving and self-sacrificial. He applies this to Sasuke, and is miserable forever. Always forgive Sasuke. Sasuke must survive at all costs. Give Sakura to Sasuke so that he'll be redeemed. Great.

 

If Nagato was just like "No, kitten you, I'm not resurrecting anyone, Konan help me kill this kid." Naruto would have married Sakura and had a great life, probably. Instead he probably wishes he was dead.

 

Also that would have meant Kakashi dies, which meant he would probably get to be Hokage sooner. And Kakashi would be dead, which is a plus.

Edited by DrK, 06 November 2017 - 11:44 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

The Nagato thing seems like a great miracle that was wonderful for everyone, except I guess Nagato because it caused his death, but it was actually Naruto's doom. When this happened, Naruto was doomed to be miserable. He thought he could save everyone by being incredibly forgiving and self-sacrificial. He applies this to Sasuke, and is miserable forever. Always forgive Sasuke. Sasuke must survive at all costs. Give Sakura to Sasuke so that he'll be redeemed. Great.

 

If Nagato was just like "No. kitten you, I'm not resurrecting anyone, Konan help me kill this kid." Naruto would have married Sakura and had a great life, probably. Instead he probably wishes he was dead.

 

Also that would have meant Kakashi dies, which meant he would probably get to be Hokage sooner. And Kakashi would be dead, which is a plus.

A man can dream....wait...

The bolded part...do you think that Naruto purposely gave away everything (ie. forgiveness, pardons, sharing in Hokage power, and Sakura herself) just to make Sasuke stay in the village? I mean, kind of like a bribary?

If so, man, Naurto REALLY is pathetic that he can even give Sasuke the world and he still wouldn't stay and wore still makes him and even bigger d-bag if that was the case. lmao.

[DrK]

A man can dream....wait...

The bolded part...do you think that Naruto purposely gave away everything (ie. forgiveness, pardons, sharing in Hokage power, and Sakura herself) just to make Sasuke stay in the village? I mean, kind of like a bribary?

If so, man, Naurto REALLY is pathetic that he can even give Sasuke the world and he still wouldn't stay and wore still makes him and even bigger d-bag if that was the case. lmao.

Probably not with that exact intention, but if it came down to it, yes. If Sakura liked both of them equally and Sasuke asked him to get out of the way he would. He has no balls in regard to Sasuke at all. The only way he gets Sakura in that case is if Sakura figures out that Sasuke did that and picks Naruto for that reason like in some cheesy romantic comedy.

[James S Cassidy]

Probably not with that exact intention, but if it came down to it, yes. If Sakura liked both of them equally and Sasuke asked him to get out of the way he would. He has no balls in regard to Sasuke at all. The only way he gets Sakura in that case is if Sakura figures out that Sasuke did that and picks Naruto for that reason like in some cheesy romantic comedy.

Hmmm....well, Naruto apparently would do anything for Sasuke....and I mean....ANYTHING.

[DrK]

Hmmm....well, Naruto apparently would do anything for Sasuke....and I mean....ANYTHING.

He would become Sasuke's mistress himself if it was necessary to keep him in the village. I made that joke earlier in the thread iirc.

 

I mean, think about it. Why didn't he tell Sakura how he felt? Even if his love for her was fake, he wouldn't know that himself. So he'd want to tell her, right? And tell her about the bench scene maybe? But she loves Sasuke. He doesn't want to impact her happiness at all by giving her any doubts. Or god forbid, actually make her pick him over Sasuke. So he just stays silent. He's satisfied with the situation.

 

If you give him a choice, Naruto will always choose to fall on his own sword. Every time.

Edited by DrK, 07 November 2017 - 12:00 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

He would become Sasuke's mistress himself if it was necessary to keep him in the village. I made that joke earlier in the thread iirc.

 

I mean, think about it. Why didn't he tell Sakura how he felt? Even if his love for her was fake, he wouldn't know that himself. So he'd want to tell her, right? And tell her about the bench scene maybe? But she loves Sasuke. He doesn't want to impact her happiness at all by giving her any doubts. Or god forbid, actually make her pick him over Sasuke. So he just stays silent. He's satisfied with the situation.

 

If you give him a choice, Naruto will always choose to fall on his own sword. Every time.

Reminds me of this...Naruto is Spngebob and Kevin is Sasuke



"Do you want it to hurt, Sasuke?"

The biggest difference is Spongebob actually learns that Kevin is not his best friend and not a good person...so he gets over him. Lesson here to today...Hero woreship is hell.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 07 November 2017 - 12:09 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Reminds me of this...Naruto is Spngebob and Kevin is Sasuke

"Do you want it to hurt, Sasuke?"
The biggest difference is Spongebob actually learns that Kevin is not his best friend and not a good person...so he gets over him. Lesson here to today...Hero woreship is hell.

 
That's actually true with this example If only naruto learn like sponge Bob did. Ya that scene reminds me of when sponge Bob was still good and not a creepy stalker and mr. Krabi forcing plankton to want to kill himself.
 

It would probably be easier to count the hours a day that Gai didn't spend with Lee.
 
If Kakashi doesn't do the things he did, the whole tragedy that is the Sasuke obsessed story never happens. Naruto kicks Sasuke's ass, Sasuke comes back to Konoha saying a bunch of totally crazy kitten that makes Sakura eventually lose interest, because he'd continue to treat her like pure garbage, and she falls in love with Naruto. Sasuke eventually recovers and becomes a good ninja for Konoha. Itachi smiles in the afterlife after eventually dying of his illness. Or tracks down Sasuke and commits seppuku again. Who cares, really. Screw Kakashi.
 
And yes on the Lion Combo thing. That was pathetic as well. Naruto deserved praise. Sasuke deserved a pat on the head at best. He's using an ability that is INTRINSIC to him! It would be comment-worthy if he DIDN'T use it!
 
Oh! And he caused Obito to fall victim to Madara, making the whole stupid ass plot happen in the first place, leading to the deaths of Naruto's parents and a ton of people in Konoha. Kakashi has done more harm than good damn it.

Wow that is actually true Kakashi is the cause of most of the problems in the series and somehow this guy's is the best character in the series for most people. Why he was chosen to be hokage I will never know since he did nothing in what 12 years as hokage if the ova is to be believed. He really was a horrible teacher like mentor ji and gosei. It's sad that Yoda, obi-wan, zordan, tommy, kanoi, cruger, undonna, and rj from power rangers are all better teacher and leaders than Kakashi, he only taught naruto three things and sakura only two.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 Wow that is actually true Kakashi is the cause of most of the problems in the series and somehow this guy's is the best character in the series for most people. Why he was chosen to be hokage I will never know since he did nothing in what 12 years as hokage if the ova is to be believed. He really was a horrible teacher like mentor ji and gosei. It's sad that Yoda, obi-wan, zordan, tommy, kanoi, cruger, undonna, and rj from power rangers are all better teacher and leaders than Kakashi, he only taught naruto three things and sakura only two.

 

I hear that! I honestly want to try to fix that to an extent by having him actually taking responsibility for his mistakes, and maybe also covering more differences like what happened to Rin and such. 

 

Also, as a Power Rangers fan since I was a kid, I was amazed to see you mention many characters from the franchise, dude.

[VanitasDS76491]

I hear that! I honestly want to try to fix that to an extent by having him actually taking responsibility for his mistakes, and maybe also covering more differences like what happened to Rin and such. 
 
Also, as a Power Rangers fan since I was a kid, I was amazed to see you mention many characters from the franchise, dude.

Responsibility what's that in Naruto cause no one ever took responsibility in that series. Hell spiderman would take responsibility for what's he's done though he never did either. But point is spiderman would naruto and his group of irresponsible morons not so much.
Dude I'm a power rangers fan to that show was my childhood along with batman the animated series from the 90s. I'm gald they released the first 17 season DVD. I'm up to in space right now but my ps3 needs to be fixed so it's on hold. But in space is the best season of the show next to time force, r.p.m.
Well the ones I mentioned save ji and gosei are better teachers than Kakashi. And when a head in a tube, ninja gennie pig, a alien dog, a surfer dude are better mentors than Kakashi you need to rethink your life or stop writing and get a real job. And Yoda is twice the mentor Kakashi ever was even in Empire Yoda was awesome.

[DrK]

I guess you can't expect your protagonist to have intelligence/common sense on the level of someone like Spongebob. That's too much to ask, obviously.

[VanitasDS76491]

I guess you can't expect your protagonist to have intelligence/common sense on the level of someone like Spongebob. That's too much to ask, obviously.

Premovie or post movie sponge Bob? Cause they are two different sponge bobs.

[DrK]

Premovie or post movie sponge Bob? Cause they are two different sponge bobs.

Are either of them more irrational than Naruto? The guy sentenced himself to a kitten existence for the sake of a guy he was on a team with for like, less than a year? A guy who mostly just wanted to fight him or make fun of him? And who ended up trying to kill the girl he loved and later marrying her? Can Spongebob really compare?

Edited by DrK, 07 November 2017 - 12:32 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Reminds me of this...Naruto is Spngebob and Kevin is Sasuke



"Do you want it to hurt, Sasuke?"

The biggest difference is Spongebob actually learns that Kevin is not his best friend and not a good person...so he gets over him. Lesson here to today...Hero woreship is hell.

 

It makes you wonder why Naruto even bothered to take his and Sakura's man candy home if he wasn't even going to stay? WHY did Naruto INSIST on bringing Sasuke back if Sasuke was gonna leave again. Because the second time he had Naruto's Blessings? another idiotic theme that was wasted and means nothing. Naruto, was going on and on about his gay feelings for Sasuke and how he's going to take Sasuke back to their village no matter what, only to have Sasuke do what he already did ALL the way back in part 1 but this time Naruto is okay with it.

 

Honestly the  morals, themes and driving point of the titular character and the series in general is nothing but the s*** of many many animals because EVERYTHING in the end was pointless and was done for the purpose of SOUNDING IDEALISTIC AND PHILOSOPHICAL, but it all amounts nothing. Naruto seriously has the worst ending in all of fiction, period. 

[My Living Curse]

 

It makes you wonder why Naruto even bothered to take his and Sakura's man candy home if he wasn't even going to stay? WHY did Naruto INSIST on bringing Sasuke back if Sasuke was gonna leave again. Because the second time he had Naruto's Blessings? another idiotic theme that was wasted and means nothing. Naruto, was going on and on about his gay feelings for Sasuke and how he's going to take Sasuke back to their village no matter what, only to have Sasuke do what he already did ALL the way back in part 1 but this time Naruto is okay with it.

 

The guy was carrying his scratched headband for like 3-4 years. Not to mention he based all his training on saving Sasuke, and let himself get consumed by the 9 tails for Sasuke. And people like Gaara, Itachi, Sai and even Sasuke himself have asked Naruto why he would go so far to save someone like him. Honestly, Kishimoto should've renamed the Manga to Sasuke and company. I would understand completely if they were "actual" siblings or at least knew each other for years, growing up close.

Honestly the  morals, themes and driving point of the titular character and the series in general is nothing but the s*** of many many animals because EVERYTHING in the end was pointless and was done for the purpose of SOUNDING IDEALISTIC AND PHILOSOPHICAL, but it all amounts nothing. Naruto seriously has the worst ending in all of fiction, period. 

 

I've seen a LOT of anime, manga, movies, series etc, but yes Naruto has the worst ending out of all of em. No it's not just the pairings. Pro-fans need to stop using that excuse. The story began to die way earlier it just reached it's total crapcakeness around 2010.