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[ramenanmitsu]

it's supossed to mock the subtle lines. something like "what they meant"

  

it's like a dad is sayin "You should thank that I am alive ..."
This is rude

  

In a manner of speaking, yes. The spawn is opening his heart to the seed giver by expressing the emotional turmoil he feels inside. Beneath his comical brazen exterior is a child crying out for attention. It just so happens that when it tries to confide in the source of its pain, the only responce is a reprimand for not enduring it silently, which is a contrast to the seed giver's own rebellious nature when it was child.
 
The underlying context of the whole scene is to show how detached and unwanting Naruto has become. He's become the very thing he once fought so hard to repudiate.

So if it's just one of those moments where Hinata's kittenboy neglects his son, why are NH/SS fans reblog tagging it "NaruHina" and liking it?

[六道仙人]

Anyone thinks this would be true in a way

 

http://mr-shalashask...apan-kishimoney

 

this is true. As told in the day of chapters 699+700 out (6th november), Sakura was portrayed as a loyal woman to her love/husband, like women used to be in the past (especially in edo time). This vision would have been perfect 2-3 centuries ago, but nowadays...it's totally out of picture. Kishimoto just stayed still at his obsolete mentality about women's role in the japanese society. A woman who's still loyal to her man is seen as a positive and patient love. no matter what the man did to her.

[Khaleesi]

     So if it's just one of those moments where Hinata's kittenboy neglects his son, why are NH/SS fans reblog tagging it "NaruHina" and liking it?

SS fans that are mad at their NH ex best buddies, NH fans that didn't like the ending and NH/SS fans that can't get sarcasm. Easy as that.

Edited by theunburnt, 04 January 2015 - 01:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

     So if it's just one of those moments where Hinata's kittenboy neglects his son, why are NH/SS fans reblog tagging it "NaruHina" and liking it?

Because they're canon!

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

this is true. As told in the day of chapters 699+700 out (6th november), Sakura was portrayed as a loyal woman to her love/husband, like women used to be in the past (especially in edo time). This vision would have been perfect 2-3 centuries ago, but nowadays...it's totally out of picture. Kishimoto just stayed still at his obsolete mentality about women's role in the japanese society. A woman who's still loyal to her man is seen as a positive and patient love. no matter what the man did to her.

It remind me of that video where the guy was talking about how lately princess in USA animated/animation or rather heroine are now more 3D (characteristic speaking), and they have more role than just to get loved. They kick ass, shows everyone was boss, more relevant to the center of the plot, and so on. I agreed in many ways, but I remember looking back here and just pray something come out of that war arc. I never got it.

[Advaith]

I Love this so much,why why why didn't this happen ?

 

http://ladygt.devian...-Baka-380778224

 

   

 

 

[narusaku256]

Man! Visiting the old chapter and debate threads.....it feels like I am visiting some ruined place after ages and the memories come flashing by. You know? Like in some movies....where the hero visits a place which is now in ruins...and he remembers the time he spent there. Believe me it literally feels that way!

[sushi.]

http://bodegacowboy....e-of-ss-dynamic

 

has anybody linked this glorious post yet

[TouKen4Life3g]

http://bodegacowboy....e-of-ss-dynamic

 

has anybody linked this glorious post yet

Reading this as we speak. So good.

[Atheck]

 

this is true. As told in the day of chapters 699+700 out (6th november), Sakura was portrayed as a loyal woman to her love/husband, like women used to be in the past (especially in edo time). This vision would have been perfect 2-3 centuries ago, but nowadays...it's totally out of picture. Kishimoto just stayed still at his obsolete mentality about women's role in the japanese society. A woman who's still loyal to her man is seen as a positive and patient love. no matter what the man did to her.

 

I suppose that makes Ino a terrible woman since she started pining after Sai for his looks one hollow worded compliment later which he didn't even mean. That's such a horrid example of selective reasoning on Kishi's part. What's his justification for marrying her off to a boy she knows nothing about and apparently has no interest for beyond his external likeness to Sasuke? More than that, Sai's own romanctic interests, assuming he had any, were never addressed. The author just inexplicably threw him together with a girl that he was never implied to have thought of in a uniquely sentimental manner or conversed with after giving his insincere compliment at a random sit-down over half the manga ago. 

[Princess Iris]

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this is true. As told in the day of chapters 699+700 out (6th november), Sakura was portrayed as a loyal woman to her love/husband, like women used to be in the past (especially in edo time). This vision would have been perfect 2-3 centuries ago, but nowadays...it's totally out of picture. Kishimoto just stayed still at his obsolete mentality about women's role in the japanese society. A woman who's still loyal to her man is seen as a positive and patient love. no matter what the man did to her.

I know ..
in reality ...there are lots of ppl with this mentality (In my country too)

That is why ppl here ship NH/SS

Especially from east, "GREAT GIRLS" are those who are one man woman...
and it seems that Kishi has same mentality (looking at interview page)
but when we see the another interview
it suddenly contradicts.....




ANY conclusion? ??

[六道仙人]

what do you expect? He couldnt't say "I did choose SS because its fandom is the bigger in our country."

To his eyes, it was more convenient say that a woman couldn't change her feelings otherwise she looks terrible. Ino was just a side character that no one cares about he love life, at least in japan.

 

plus, Ino is like she never broke her tie with Sasuke since Sai is just his carbon copy, only that he's more gross (as we can see from the result of their son, a kittening weirdo baby alien).

 

@princes iris

 

well, it's kishimoto aka hiretsu-sensei. He can say bs but he doesn't care anymore. he only cares about his corrent account.

he is like one of those people who say "I like you. I like her, I like them, I lke you too. I like you everyone." This simple because the person doesn't care about everyone and tends to satisfy them. Just like Kishimoto did often times.

Edited by 六道仙人, 04 January 2015 - 02:43 PM.

[Princess Iris]

what do you expect? He couldnt't say "I did choose SS because its fandom is the bigger in our country."
To his eyes, it was more convenient say that a woman couldn't change her feelings otherwise she looks terrible. Ino was just a side character that no one cares about he love life, at least in japan.
 
plus, Ino is like she never broke her tie with Sasuke since Sai is just his carbon copy, only that he's more gross (as we can see from the result of their son, a kittening weirdo baby alien).

but he later said " Sakura had feelings for Naruto"

still a great woman

[TouKen4Life3g]

I know ..
in reality ...there are lots of ppl with this mentality (In my country too)

That is why ppl here ship NH/SS

Especially from east, "GREAT GIRLS" are those who are one man woman...
and it seems that Kishi has same mentality (looking at interview page)
but when we see the another interview
it suddenly contradicts.....




ANY conclusion? ??

Part of me wants to say he was forced upon by the studio and all, but then again, he said he can't write women if his life depends on it. if that's the case, maybe, just maybe, it's best for him just to do short stories. Maybe.

[milan kyuubi]

Anything new?

[Princess Iris]

Part of me wants to say he was forced upon by the studio and all, but then again, he said he can't write women if his life depends on it. if that's the case, maybe, just maybe, it's best for him just to do short stories. Maybe.

I guess that too

[milan kyuubi]

Am I the only one having problem to even load one page in here?

[六道仙人]

honestly this stuff of "Kishimoto was forced by Shueisha and SP" looks like a huge bullsh** to me. We are talking about one of the most powerful mangaka of the manga's modern era, second only ot Eiichiro Oda and Akira Toriyama (which has practically retired for years though). I find totally illogical that he has been forced to choose an ending like that. We talk about the quality of the manga in the last 4-5 years (practically from the end of Pain saga). The only nice thing was the battle between Danzo and Sasuke pretty much. About the rest, let draw a veil over it. So many downs and so very little ups. The sh*tty ending is prefectly consistent with the sh*tty quality he has maintained in these years.
The Nagato's redemption was a clear sign of how he has decided in which way the things should go onwards. So no, the thing that Kishimoto was forced isn't much credible, at all. Probably he received a lot of pressures, but nothing forbade him to object to these pressures. He is one of the most influential and powerful mangaka.

 

The simply stuff is that Kishimoto noticed, over the years, that NS was the most logical pairing of the story but,  since he is naive and idiot, he felt sorry for Hinata and didn't want to aggravate Sakura's position who was already seen as a fickle girl (addressed to SS fandom).

 

reblog this because it's damn funny.

 

http://slextrem.tumb...erson-smile-and

 

eh but "u loved me 'cause ur rivalry with Sauce-kun, right?"

 

LOL hiretsu-sensei and SP 

Edited by 六道仙人, 04 January 2015 - 03:16 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

honestly this stuff of "Kishimoto was forced by Shueisha and SP" looks like a huge bullsh** to me. We are talking about one of the most powerful mangaka of the manga's modern era, second only ot Eiichiro Oda and Akira Toriyama (which has practically retired for years though). I find totally illogical that he has been forced to choose an ending like that. We talk about the quality of the manga in the last 4-5 years (practically from the end of Pain saga). The only nice thing was the battle between Danzo and Sasuke pretty much. About the rest, let draw a veil over it. So many downs and so very little ups. The sh*tty ending is prefectly consistent with the sh*tty quality he has maintained in these years.
The Nagato's redemption was a clear sign of how he has decided in which way the things should go onwards. So no, the thing that Kishimoto was forced isn't much credible, at all. Probably he received a lot of pressures, but nothing forbade him to object to these pressures. He is one of the most influential and powerful mangaka.

 

The simply stuff is that Kishimoto noticed, over the years, that NS was the most logical pairing of the story but,  since he is naive and idiot, he felt sorry for Hinata and didn't want to aggravate Sakura's position who was already seen as a fickle girl (addressed to SS fandom).

Out of likes.

 

Well, if you go by the interview, it seems like he's a follower of an editor more so than a true leader. It's like losing a partner will make him weak. Go figure with the whole SN concept. Irony. Anyway, he said that he does follow the editor more than anything, so that isn't a good idea. It's like switching writer in the middle of the story for wrestling, leading to continuity error. He had one editor for a long time, so the story was normal yet consistent. No, I'm not saying Naruto would have been perfect, but much better than the overall product that we got today. It's worth mentioning that the third databook was the last one that was being done under the first editor era. Once he left, things were going differently. It was to the point that one of them told him no Tsunade vs. Pain. You never know that the editor can be good or kitten. Hell, I just found out that before making Batgirl or Gordon's daughter crippled, the creator asked if it was ok, and the respond, "Yeah, sure. Cripple the kitten." Who to say, "kitten Sakura. She's no good" didn't happen.

 

That all said I'm not letting Kishi having a free pass. Even though he's a follower, he should know what was in front of him and can't be thinking what's best for business if he doesn't know how to convert it in story. Instead, it's all out of place and just downright make no sense. It's a shame that it wasn't done by another person with similar art style, but different mind that can make this concept reach its full potential.

[Advaith]

honestly this stuff of "Kishimoto was forced by Shueisha and SP" looks like a huge bullsh** to me. We are talking about one of the most powerful mangaka of the manga's modern era, second only ot Eiichiro Oda and Akira Toriyama (which has practically retired for years though). I find totally illogical that he has been forced to choose an ending like that. We talk about the quality of the manga in the last 4-5 years (practically from the end of Pain saga). The only nice thing was the battle between Danzo and Sasuke pretty much. About the rest, let draw a veil over it. So many downs and so very little ups. The sh*tty ending is prefectly consistent with the sh*tty quality he has maintained in these years.
The Nagato's redemption was a clear sign of how he has decided in which way the things should go onwards. So no, the thing that Kishimoto was forced isn't much credible, at all. Probably he received a lot of pressures, but nothing forbade him to object to these pressures. He is one of the most influential and powerful mangaka.

 

The simply stuff is that Kishimoto noticed, over the years, that NS was the most logical pairing of the story but,  since he is naive and idiot, he felt sorry for Hinata and didn't want to aggravate Sakura's position who was already seen as a fickle girl (addressed to SS fandom).

 

reblog this because it's damn funny.

 

http://slextrem.tumb...erson-smile-and

 

eh but "u loved me 'cause ur rivalry with Sauce-kun, right?"

 

LOL hiretsu-sensei and SP 

This

 

Truth

Edited by Advaith, 04 January 2015 - 03:21 PM.