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#4641 Sojobo

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:58 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Sep 24 2012, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto didn't imply that he'll confess to Sakura when he get Sasuke back but there's something that is still stucked in his mind and that he'll have to make up his mind about the promise that he holds for her till now which, from what i believe, there will be an event that will occur and make him think about Sasuke and the promise or something close to this.


I don't think so. For me, Naruto just doesn't understand what really means to love someone like Sakura. Like I said, Yamato's speech just says all, it's not what you can do that matters, what's important is how you feel for the one you love. That's all Naruto and Sakura needs to know. It is a wrong way that Naruto is using for win her love, and that's why Kushina came, discuss to Naruto about this subject : True Love.

About SasuKarin, we will see. I don't support this pairing, but I really intrigated about what Karin did in the past to him, and why Kishi made her as an Uzumaki ?
An Uzumaki or Senju in love with an Uchiha ? That never happened.

Anyway, I understand the devloppement and all that stuff, but you also have to know that Sasuke is the biggest tsundere with Kurama, and for expressing his love for someone, it really is difficult.
SasuKarin will be something like Vegeta/Bulma in my point of view. Don't expect some love moments between those two if they have to be together some day... ^^


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 07:59 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Sep 24 2012, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura : He's foolish enough to like "someone like me".
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She never said that he was an idiot or something like this. She just says that he is in a way because she thinks she has always been an horrible person towards him because she caused him the most "pain".


Sorry but i have another interpretation for this, she thinks she's a horrible person because of naruto speech when he says that "he know what she's feeling and he felt this too"
She thinks she's being horrible because he loves her and she made him promise to bring back the person she loves, she broke his heart there that why she thinks she's horrible it's not a matter of deserve his love or no becasue it would be hipocrit of her part, becasue following her logic sasuke would not deserve her love too.
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#4643 Sojobo

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:05 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Sep 24 2012, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry but i have another interpretation for this, she thinks she's a horrible person because of naruto speech when he says that "he know what she's feeling and he felt this too"
She thinks she's being horrible because he loves her and she made him promise to bring back the person she loves, she broke his heart there that why she thinks she's horrible it's not a matter of deserve his love or no becasue it would be hipocrit of her part, becasue following her logic sasuke would not deserve her love too.

I totally agree with you, but that's why she thinks she doesn't deserve his love, because she has been so horrible towards him.
But that's HER opinion about "love", and that's not what Yamato told her.

Edited by Sojobo, 24 September 2012 - 08:05 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:07 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Sep 24 2012, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I totally agree with you, but that's why she thinks she doesn't deserve his love, because she has been so horrible towards him.
But that's HER opinion about "love", and that's not what Yamato told her.


Yeah but i think she will be reminded about this by naruto during his confession.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:12 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 24 2012, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah but i think she will be reminded about this by naruto during his confession.

Naruto's confession is obvious. I see something like Poppu/Fuam in Dragon Quest. Naruto will confess his love, and Sakura will not reject him, and say that he love both of them (Sasuke/Hyunkel), and that she will give him an answer when this war will end.

I see things like this. Of course, a lot will happen before.

PS : Naruto's confession for Sakura is similar as a "no" to Hinata's confession, so NH will be definitly dead after this.

Edited by Sojobo, 24 September 2012 - 08:13 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Sep 24 2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto's confession is obvious. I see something like Poppu/Fuam in Dragon Quest. Naruto will confess his love, and Sakura will not reject him, and say that he love both of them (Sasuke/Hyunkel), and that she will give him an answer when this war will end.

I see things like this. Of course, a lot will happen before.

PS : Naruto's confession for Sakura is similar as a "no" to Hinata's confession, so NH will be definitly dead after this.


I cant see sakura saying something like "i give you the answer after the war", because she already knows that sasuke is not the right one.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:26 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 24 2012, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cant see sakura saying something like "i give you the answer after the war", because she already knows that sasuke is not the right one.

No, as a NS fan, I can't deny this, she loves Sasuke, that's a fact at the moment right now.
I can't agree with you, sorry...

Edited by Sojobo, 24 September 2012 - 08:27 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:26 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Sep 24 2012, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think so. For me, Naruto just doesn't understand what really means to love someone like Sakura. Like I said, Yamato's speech just says all, it's not what you can do that matters, what's important is how you feel for the one you love. That's all Naruto and Sakura needs to know. It is a wrong way that Naruto is using for win her love, and that's why Kushina came, discuss to Naruto about this subject : True Love.

About SasuKarin, we will see. I don't support this pairing, but I really intrigated about what Karin did in the past to him, and why Kishi made her as an Uzumaki ?
An Uzumaki or Senju in love with an Uchiha ? That never happened.

Anyway, I understand the devloppement and all that stuff, but you also have to know that Sasuke is the biggest tsundere with Kurama, and for expressing his love for someone, it really is difficult.
SasuKarin will be something like Vegeta/Bulma in my point of view. Don't expect some love moments between those two if they have to be together some day... ^^

Yea, known that but the promise is still on his mind, he didn't let it go. Naruto will reconsider this, either by something that will happen and somehow enlighten him or he'll state on what he has made up his mind on the promise. I say that if Sasuke dies or became a wanderer as to not count his goal on not bringing Sasuke home a fail.

How do you see Sasuke as a tsundere or it's a joke ? happy.gif cause he's far from being a tsundere.

Edited by T XD, 24 September 2012 - 08:28 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:31 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Sep 24 2012, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, as a NS fan, I can't deny this, she loves Sasuke, that's a fact at the moment right now.
I can't agree with you, sorry...


It doesnt mean that shes not in love with him, it means that shes knows hes not the right one for her (because sauke= bad guy).
And the feeling she has left for sasuke are slowly fading away.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Sep 24 2012, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yea, known that but the promise is still on his mind, he didn't let it go.

Of course, I didn't say he let it go. (that's NH argument lol)
This promise is important for Naruto, because he wants to make Sakura happy, and that's a great proof of love, I don't understand how people can't agree with that ?
But... the succeed of this promise doesn't matter in winning her love. That's what he has to understand I think, and that's what he did after speaking with his mother and heard her story about Minato.
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How do you see Sasuke as a tsundere or it's a joke ? happy.gif cause he's far from being a tsundere and it's somewhat rare to have a male character as a tsundere.

Most of the tsundere are girls, but there are male tsundere's too.
If you played Final Fantasy 8, you can tell that Squall is a tsundere, because he doesn't want to show his feelings, he always says the opposite of what he really feels and thinks when it begin to become embarrasing for him.
Of course, that doesn't include the girl who shows aggressivity like Narusegawa of Love Hina, or Sakura, but in some way, Sasuke is also a tsundere, because he isn't always honnest with himself.


But that's just my point of view of course. ^^

Edited by Sojobo, 24 September 2012 - 08:41 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Sep 24 2012, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course, I didn't say he let it go. (that's NH argument lol)
This promise is important for Naruto, because he wants to make Sakura happy, and that's a great proof of love, I don't understand how people can't agree with that ?
But... the succeed of this promise doesn't matter in winning her love. That's what he has to understand I think, and that's what he did after speaking with his mother and heard her story about Minato.

Most of the tsundere are girls, but there are male tsundere's too.
If you played Final Fantasy 8, you can tell that Squall is a tsundere, because he doesn't want to show his feelings, he always says the opposite of what he really feels and thinks when it begin to become embarrasing for him.
Of course, that doesn't include the girl who shows aggressivity like Narusegawa of Love Hina, or Sakura, but in some way, Sasuke is also a tsundere, because he isn't always honnest with himself.


But that's just my point of view of course. ^^

I know some male tsundere characters but Sasuke is nowhere near of being a male tsundere. He doesn't have the traits and the character but that's intriguing in how you him as one laugh.gif

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:24 PM

Well well.

Looks like this place has gotten busy. I will expose my thoughts on this whole situation if you guys don't mind. I'll be returning home in about 30 minutes. Until then, keep it up.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:59 PM

Hm. I don't know if this has been talked about or whatever.

But in this


Sakura's little monologue intrigued me.
I'm 90% sure it's the biased NS fan in me, but when she says 'I'm always envious of Hinata.....Well, of her bulges!', the wording of it was weird.
It's like she corrects herself? I dunno. It seems, to me at least, like it was hinting at Sakura being jealous of Hinata for something else....perhaps her affection for Naruto? fu.png

Thoughts? Is it just me being an NS fan? unsure.gif




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Posted 24 September 2012 - 11:06 PM

Ok, well here's what I think:

To begin with, let's start with Naruto and Sai conversation. My interpretation is that there's no doubt that Naruto loves Sakura, even to this day. Sai caught him and Naruto got a shocked/nervous reaction. Now the serious question is: did he confess it to her. He did not. The reason why I said that he will confess his love to her in the end, because as of now, he feels like he's not worthy to be with her. As I mentioned before, he is not immature about love. He is serious as he can get. Sure, he can improve it, which I think Kushina helped a lot. Remember, Naruto is not good at understanding a woman's heart. Perhaps this is the way for him to be prepared for Sakura's change of heart (from Sasuke to Naruto). Kushina reassured Naruto that a woman can make a mistake on man, like not believing Minato could become a Hokage, so in other word, Sakura is the same. It's not about looking cool, it's about the heart of a man to a woman, which Minato shows to her by rescuing her and compliment the one thing she hated. That is true love.

Someone here say that Naruto don't understand true love. That may be true. For the record, that doesn't mean he will change his view and go to Hinata. Far from it. As I said everytime, Naruto is not about changing his dreams/goals/feelings. It's about maturing/improving it. Like for Sasuke, he understands the hatred, vengeance, etc. now, so he can actually have a back up argument, instead of feeling like he knows everything off the bat. Granted, no one will know how one truly feels 100%, but that doesn't mean that a person can't help another. So back to this, yes, Naruto is improving his idea of love and it won't put into action until further notice by Kishi. I mean it is coincidence about Obito/Rin and the fact that Obito declared that because of her death, his life of the old days vanished.

As for Sakura, yes, I do believe she doesn't know what love truly is either. The lover nin put her on the spot because the importance of true love is happiness of a couple. When he said that the guy must be a great guy, she basically thought that he isn't, and what's worse is that she's not happy at all. Her character is about understanding the reality of life. There could be one man that is truly worth it yet she can be blindsided. The point is learning the true way of living. Romance has not been touched on yet, but it certainly looks like we are getting there soon. Sure, we are hinted in the manga, but that's Kishi way of saying, "But that's another story waiting to be told." Their friendships are at the peak now. The next level is romance and Kishi seems like he's getting ready to play his cards on the mat. Sakura has already shown that she put Naruto's safety first than anything else. It's funny that she was losing all hope for Team 7 reunion, thanks to Sasuke, but Naruto is the one to bring it back and made her smile. Oh yeah, I don't think Naruto hasn't noticed that she is coming closer to him. The only time he probably assume is the feeding scene, but we know how that ended. The one that shocked him is the hugging scene. Never he thought he was going to get a hug by the girl he loves. He could be oblivious to Sakura's approaching to him at certain times, but who knows. It is possible though. After all, he said that she loves Sasuke. Perhaps that's why he needed to understand a woman's heart by someone, which Kushina sheds some light for him.

Interesting to note. Yamato's statement seems to connect well with Itachi's statement. Yamato was about telling her that her feelings for Naruto is the true support for Naruto. I don't think she got the idea yet. It was proven that it is true about what Yamato said by Naruto telling her that he feels so happy that they're getting close to Sasuke together. He feels great with her being on his side and that's where all the support comes in. Now, the Itachi's statement was about letting Naruto know that Hokage doesn't rely too much on him/herself, it's about that a very loved one and the rest of the village that makes the Hokage strong. Minato became a strong Hokage, thanks to Kushina and the village. Even Minato pointed out that she helped him to become one. Naruto's strong support is indeed Sakura since he feels so happy and the fact that as long as her feelings for Naruto is strong, he will be a strong Hokage. It make sense and even Sakura's determination mentioned both of them.

Before I close this, I should bring up about SasuKarin. Look, I am not a fan of this pairing, but I do see a potential to be honest. Okay, before you say, "Oh you want to favor it so it can kill SasuSaku, like how NaruHina doing it with SasuSaku to kill NaruSaku," first of all, I don't think that way at all. It's like I said long time ago, Sasuke can end alone, which it has a good chance, or ends up with Karin. The only reason why I'm 50/50 is because the fact is that we are about to see the reunion of Team Taka and Karin is left behind for now. Why? For suspense? Why make her as a Uzumaki, which leads back to why for the sake of suspense? I will see what is my opinion on this pairing as soon as I see her back with Sasuke and witness the first thing that will happen. Also, it's convenient that Sasuke is on the move to find the truth of everything and Karin is an Uzumaki. We got to remember, the title Uzumaki is not something you can throw in. That's a huge name. Not like the anime studio can make a filler character who's also an Uzumaki. That's like making an filler Uchiha character. So, why Karin? What will that accomplish? We have to wait and see. The other half is that Sasuke is just not interest in women at all. But I will say this, if Sasuke ends up as a wanderer alongside with Team Taka, I could see an epilogue where you see Sasuke has a kid and when Naruto asked him about the mother, which turns out to be Karin, then it can be a shock factor in a comedy way. It's one of those moment where it just happens overtime. It reminds me of Shaman King manga ending. I must admit though, this pairing does have a great reward in the end. It does make a great way to end the hatred of Uchiha cycle. But who knows for now. I won't talk much further on this unless you want me to or when the manga comes back to them.

So, I hope you enjoy reading this. Sorry for this post to be very long, but it's something I like to do. happy.gif

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 11:34 PM

^ The more I read comments like yours, the more I believe that Sakura needs to team up with Naruto in some shape or form when she arrives to the battlefield.

It would go perfect with Itachi's words on what makes a strong Hokage. Sakura might not be OP like Naruto, Sasuke or Madara but I''m sure she can support Naruto simply by believing in him. Also, I'm sure that Sakura can provide some sort of assistance with her abilities. Remember, even the smallest advantage in a battle could be the crucial factor in determining the victor.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:22 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Sep 24 2012, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hm. I don't know if this has been talked about or whatever.

But in this

Sakura's little monologue intrigued me.
I'm 90% sure it's the biased NS fan in me, but when she says 'I'm always envious of Hinata.....Well, of her bulges!', the wording of it was weird.
It's like she corrects herself? I dunno. It seems, to me at least, like it was hinting at Sakura being jealous of Hinata for something else....perhaps her affection for Naruto? fu.png

Thoughts? Is it just me being an NS fan? unsure.gif


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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Sep 24 2012, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most of the tsundere are girls, but there are male tsundere's too.
If you played Final Fantasy 8, you can tell that Squall is a tsundere, because he doesn't want to show his feelings, he always says the opposite of what he really feels and thinks when it begin to become embarrasing for him.
Of course, that doesn't include the girl who shows aggressivity like Narusegawa of Love Hina, or Sakura, but in some way, Sasuke is also a tsundere, because he isn't always honnest with himself.


But that's just my point of view of course. ^^


Squall being a tsundere???
Are you insane?
dude he was a Seed, a loner who keeps his focus on his duty to avoid vulnerability; it's totally different than being a tsundere, and his mission were far more dangerous than just playing as ninjas.
And second he does nto fall in love with Rinoa right away it comes slowly growing, until a series of events happen wehen he becomes the new headmaster of the Seed, and he learns about a lot of stuff, he saves her, there's no tsundere into this sorry.

Sasuke tsundere?
I know that it's is a troll but i cant let it pass.

Edited by dovahkiin, 25 September 2012 - 12:44 PM.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Sep 25 2012, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Squall being a tsundere???
Are you insane?
dude he was a Seed, a loner who keeps his focus on his duty to avoid vulnerability; it's totally different than being a tsundere, and his mission were far more dangerous than just playing as ninjas.
And second he does nto fall in love with Rinoa right away it comes slowly growing, until a series of events happen wehen he becomes the new headmaster of the Seed, and he learns about a lot of stuff, he saves her, there's no tsundere into this sorry.

Sasuke tsundere?
I know that it's is a troll but i cant let it pass.


I don't think it was meant to be a troll.

Throughout most of the series, Sasuke has always had the mentality that he doesn't need anybody and that Naruto is nothing compared to him, yet there has been instances where that turned out not to be true. For example, he clearly got annoyed when he felt threatened by Naruto's power back in part 1 and I also believe he got mad at team Taka for temporarily distracting him from his revenge, although my memory is pretty clouded with that one.

All in all, I think the "Sasuke is a tsundere" argument comes down to the fact that even though Sasuke acts like he doesn't need anybody, deep down he actually do appreciate Naruto and Sakura's friendship and their desire to bring him back.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE (TerrorKing @ Sep 25 2012, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think it was meant to be a troll.

Throughout most of the series, Sasuke has always had the mentality that he doesn't need anybody and that Naruto is nothing compared to him, yet there has been instances where that turned out not to be true. For example, he clearly got annoyed when he felt threatened by Naruto's power back in part 1 and I also believe he got mad at team Taka for temporarily distracting him from his revenge, although my memory is pretty clouded with that one.

All in all, I think the "Sasuke is a tsundere" argument comes down to the fact that even though Sasuke acts like he doesn't need anybody, deep down he actually do appreciate Naruto and Sakura's friendship and their desire to bring him back.

1st when naruto got stronger he thought that he didnt had any evolution his revenge was a battle agaisnt itachi in a 1v1, so he did not wanted anyone to meddle with his business because it was something personal, this has nothing to do with tsundere, team TAKA tried to meddle on his business he got mad because he didnt come back to the village because he knows that sakura,kakashi and naruto would not let him face itachi 1v1.
Different than a tsundere sasuke is convinced about what he wants and if he was a type of guy that wants to stay alone he would not made the team TAKA after all.
he's not a tsundere, he abandoned his friends to pursue power, and now he had an objective that go against his former friends and he choses the revenge.

yep it's troll.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Sep 25 2012, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1st when naruto got stronger he thought that he didnt had any evolution his revenge was a battle agaisnt itachi in a 1v1, so he did not wanted anyone to meddle with his business because it was something personal, this has nothing to do with tsundere, team TAKA tried to meddle on his business he got mad because he didnt come back to the village because he knows that sakura,kakashi and naruto would not let him face itachi 1v1.
Different than a tsundere sasuke is convinced about what he wants and if he was a type of guy that wants to stay alone he would not made the team TAKA after all.
he's not a tsundere, he abandoned his friends to pursue power, and now he had an objective that go against his former friends and he choses the revenge.

yep it's troll.


Well, my point was that the "Sasuke is a tsundere" argument mostly comes down to speculation. That's also why I personally wouldn't be so quick to label anyone who uses it as a troll.

Personally, I don't think Sasuke is a tsundere. Like you said, so far he has been pretty clear about what he wants and hasn't shown any sign of remorse for his actions.

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