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#4621 Orenji

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 04:55 AM

QUOTE (Strangelove @ Jul 29 2012, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
From the reviews, all I can see is that this movie mirror images the development between the two. Think about it.

Sakura started annoyed at her parents, a Sasuke fangirl, and unacknowledged of Naruto's feelings. [the way she was in the very beginning of part 1 before she started to blossom in latter chapters.] By the end of the movie she hugs her parents, realizes that the Sasuke fantasy is just a fantasy, and she acknowledges Naruto's feelings by being in his shoes. Also that scene where she wants to go visit Naruto because she feels lonely...is a huge NS fanservise...why wouldn't she visit her girl companion Ino, why choose Naruto of all people? This should be looked at and debated. Anyways my point is, the movie just basically explains the development of Naruto and Sakura throughout the entirety of the manga.

Also this movie could bring the closing debate for the shipping wars, and I think the main reason this movie gives so much for the NS fanservice is because, for all we know we might soon get our canon moment in the manga.


While I'm totally all for Sakura going to visit Naruto in her time of need, the reason she didn't visit Ino, or anyone else for that matter, was because they were in an AU... The only person she "knew" was Naruto. While its sweet, for me its not NS fanservice.. She didn't "choose Naruto of all people"; Naruto was her only choice.

Unless that scene didn't happen in the AU. Then ignore me (:

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:16 AM

QUOTE (Strangelove @ Jul 29 2012, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
From the reviews, all I can see is that this movie mirror images the development between the two. Think about it.

Sakura started annoyed at her parents, a Sasuke fangirl, and unacknowledged of Naruto's feelings. [the way she was in the very beginning of part 1 before she started to blossom in latter chapters.] By the end of the movie she hugs her parents, realizes that the Sasuke fantasy is just a fantasy, and she acknowledges Naruto's feelings by being in his shoes. Also that scene where she wants to go visit Naruto because she feels lonely...is a huge NS fanservise...why wouldn't she visit her girl companion Ino, why choose Naruto of all people? This should be looked at and debated. Anyways my point is, the movie just basically explains the development of Naruto and Sakura throughout the entirety of the manga.

Also this movie could bring the closing debate for the shipping wars, and I think the main reason this movie gives so much for the NS fanservice is because, for all we know we might soon get our canon moment in the manga.


You say Sakura felt lonely, are you talking about the time she went and look for him to find out that he was happy with his AU family or the moment they was in the park, if you are talking about the AU world, then who else will she look for if Naruto was the only original person there.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:19 AM

sooo...... a year till the movie huh?

any chance someone doesnt care about the law and video-taped the movie? >:D

.....cause that would be horrible.....but....ya know...if he went through the trouble....i'd still watch it... >w>

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:37 AM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Jul 30 2012, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You say Sakura felt lonely, are you talking about the time she went and look for him to find out that he was happy with his AU family or the moment they was in the park, if you are talking about the AU world, then who else will she look for if Naruto was the only original person there.

I think the first time was because she was lonely, second because she wanted to apologize.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:02 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 29 2012, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're welcome, I enjoyed that review, first one I've seen that truly comprehended that it was about both Naruto and Sakura equally misunderstanding each other in the beginning and both coming to some understanding of what each other deals with inside when it comes to their parental figures. That's why it ends with Sakura with her parents and Naruto with Iruka (who is the closest Naruto actually had to a father like figure when he was in the Academy). Sakura realizes that despite her difficulties with her parents, they love her and her life would be far more painful emotionally without them. Haven't seen so much in the summaries that shows Naruto taking what he learned from living a life more like Sakura's (although with a much more warmhearted mother, and he acts far worse to his parents than Sakura does hers when he is in the genjutsu world) except he does finally thank them in the end, but I want to know how much he applies this to making it up to Iruka. (especially when from what it sounds like in the summaries that despite his bad behavior earlier Iruka throws him a party.)

I don't think Naruto had any misunderstanding with Sakura. When Naruto experiences the happy family life he always wanted he doesn't dwell about how Sakura has this in the real world. When it comes to comprehending another the role solely goes to Sakura into understanding the loneliness Naruto had to deal with all his life, therefore wanting to apologies to him for her previous rude attitude.

Naruto's problem was different. It wasn't about misunderstanding Sakura, it was about misunderstanding his own life. At the beginning of the movie Naruto was in a terrible mood based on a false idea, that since he didn't have any parents it meant that he was alone and miserable. Naruto was dwelling in baseless self pity, he already had someone like Iruka being there for him. Iruka was the living proof that Naruto didn't have to feel so miserable, but in anger ended up disrespecting him. The final scene with Iruka was to show Naruto how wrong he was in the beginning with his self pity, because even though he didn't have his parents alive there were still people who will always be there for him such as Iruka.

Naruto was still very rude to Sakura in the beginning though, just as she was rude to him. Sakura was rude because the complains about her parents were about petty things. Naruto was within his right to scold her, but the problem was he probably gave her attitude while doing it instead of being nice. Naruto would've probably made her understand any other time, but since he was already in a bad mood the way he talked came out as hurtful.

Edited by redragon88, 30 July 2012 - 06:03 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:28 AM

QUOTE (KnS @ Jul 29 2012, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's most amazing to me about some of the RtN responses from Team NH is how inconsistently they apply their "logic."  To them, AU!Hinata's insistence that Menma is "her man" proves that NH will be canon.  Although... where is the proof that Menma is any more interested in AU!Hinata than Naruto is in either version of her?  Even if Menma was into his version of Hinata, how is that relevant to the manga if RtN is a backwards universe?  Logically, wouldn't that instead prove that Naruto and Hinata would NEVER be together in the real world?

Huh, I never thought of it that way. So, how this movie kind of crushes SS, if you think about it, it could do the same to NH, in a much more subtle way, not only because of that, but because he doesn't like normal Hinata, and he certainly doesn't like AU!Hinata, either.

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Jul 30 2012, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sooo...... a year till the movie huh?

any chance someone doesnt care about the law and video-taped the movie? >:D

.....cause that would be horrible.....but....ya know...if he went through the trouble....i'd still watch it... >w>

 xD I agree!

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:29 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Jul 29 2012, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just read this in case no one has poated it yet



from TakL on NF

I think this finally answers that yes The Haruno are a ninja clan though not one of note



QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 30 2012, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which is exactly what I always thought. Sakura has a ninja family crest, which her mother wears the adult form of on her long tunic. (like the Nara clan there is a juvenile clan symbol and an adult clan symbol, the fact Sakura still wears the juvenile form on her clothes is a subtle visual reinforcement that Mebuki and Kazashi don't want to let go of seeing Sakura as their little girl, not a young adult like the other kids of higher ranked ninja clans- being higher ranked the expectations of the kids to step up and become Jonin too are high. Sakura's parents, likely both just Chunin have no such expectations. Sakura made Chunin, the same as them, as they see Jonin ninja's lives as extremely dangerous and their fears about that would make them want to keep their precious little girl from. They don't realize Sakura has already been fighting on Jonin level missions, she qualifies as a Jonin, something her parents never did. They don't realize their little girl is a now a powerhouse Jonin level ninja (the fight with Sasori, and her easy one punch takedown of the giant centipede- that even Jonin level ninja were fleeing from and the astonished reactions of said ninja when she did kill it so easily, proves she is an elite level ninja). Even adult ninja treat her as if she was a Jonin already- ie when she orders the evacuation of all remaining ninja in Konoha during the Kyuubified Naruto's fight with Pain, and when she takes charge of the medic ninja during the battle with the Zetsu, her orders are followed immediately even by adult ninja amongst who there would have been Jonin. Shizune is Jonin and is the leader of the medic ninja but she treats Sakura as her equal and if both are there tends to let Sakura take the leadership role.

So yeah you can see why Sakura would feel angry that her parents refused to give their permission in the movie to becoming a Jonin. But as a 40 something (even though I don't have kids myself) I can understand a parent not wanting to let go of the idea that they are protecting their child from danger. But they have to let go of that role now, just like real world parents of soldiers have to.

It's not just living Naruto's life of the emotional devastation having no loving parents to come home to it's seeing the danger that a high ranked ninja faces that her parents fear for her, while Naruto gets a small taste of the not so happy side of having parents when you are on the cusp of adulthood as well as the good- Kushina's very hot tempered disciplining of him like he still was a child and then Minato's very bad response to Naruto when Sakura is in danger (perhaps this is reflective of Kazashi's mindset- why he never qualified to be a Jonin) Naruto acts worse to his parents when he gets them than Sakura is to hers, even though Minato and Kushina are much nicer parents than Sakura's. (at least Kushina is much nicer a mom than Mebuki, Minato and Kizashi seem kind of a draw, but Minato is much cooler than Sakura's pretty dorky dad. laugh.gif

If you look at it from Kizashi and Mebuki's mindset they probably think the elite Jonin clan parents are being terrible parents by actually pushing their children to become Jonin like themselves. They probably wonder how much those Jonin parents actually love their children. They probably wonder if those parents just see their children as their replacements.


I don't think so, ciardha. At best, it's kind of iffy. For all we know, their symbol could be a random symbol, proof??

Here:



See that milk carton?? you get what I mean?? TakL only said that Kizashi didn't make it to Jounin, they didn't say they were from a clan.

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 30 2012, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The person talks about how they loved the humor in the movie. The movie is about Naruto and Sakura. Naruto wish about his parents and Sakura's thoughts about her parents get come to life in an extreme way. Naruto and Sakura's feelings are explored and how they get to experience the sort of life each other has and deal with those painful feelings. (so yeah, it's not just Sakura that gets a true understanding for how Naruto feels without parents but Naruto learns some understanding of Sakura's relationship with her parents) Sakura's battle scenes were cool. The reviewer says they liked the last battle scene, even the parts Sakura wasn't in. Sakura is heroic, which the reviewer says is how they think is how she always is. The reviewer thought the scene where Hinata called Sakura "tiny breasted" was hilarious. The reviewer says it is better the to have that scene near the beginning of the movie with a hint of tension between Naruto and Sakura that it's important to the story. (meaning it's important that they both have to start out not understanding the other, and Naruto is just as guilty of not understanding Sakura as Sakura is Naruto.) "Kishimoto is indeed a sensei!" The only thing this reviewer didn't like was the animation was poor in spots, some was beautiful but the bad was worse than TV anime.

So yeah, it's not just Sakura that gets a true understanding for how Naruto feels without parents, but Naruto learns some understanding of Sakura's somewhat troubled relationship with her parents.


*Sigh* and I was hoping they'd have the same quality of animation as Shippuden 3, considering how bad the animation in the anime is right now.

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 30 2012, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah, I begin to see even more why that Japanese reviewer really liked the last battle. Heroic Sakura indeed. smile.gif


Now, if only we can see that replicated in the manga so that those bashers shut up for good rawr.gif .

Also, on another topic, interesting that in order to become Jounin, you have to have parental consent (if you're underage, it seems). It also speaks volumes about Neji too. Neji becoming a Jounin must have been extremely symbolic for him, because it just shows how much trust Hiashi has in him. In fact, it looks Hiashi is grooming him to be the next clan head.

And I think Shikamaru has already been promoted to Jounin just shortly before the war. If you consider Shikaku's nature, it's likely he waited until Shikamaru matured enough. After Asuma's death we've seen him finally mature, so I think that finally convinced Shikaku to give his consent and recommendation to Tsunade. Not only that, they were already planning to have him become one of the commanders, so they figured the time was now. If Naruto was going to be promoted to Jounin, I think that legally, Tsunade would be the one to give her consent, not only because she's the Hokage, but also because she's the only living relative he has left.

Edited by Codus N, 30 July 2012 - 06:30 AM.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:37 AM

Did the movie come out, leak? (in japan) I'm a bit confused reading these recent posts..

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:50 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jul 30 2012, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did the movie come out, leak? (in japan) I'm a bit confused reading these recent posts..


yes it came out :3

we basically got the whole movie spoiled XDDD

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:27 AM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Jul 30 2012, 02:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think so, ciardha. At best, it's kind of iffy. For all we know, their symbol could be a random symbol, proof??


Sigh. That's an old marking used for milk in Japan. You could just as easily point to the Naruto swirl on Naruto fishcakes and state Naruto's and Kushina's Uzumaki clan symbol was just some random symbol and there was no proof of it being a clan symbol.

Kishimoto showed back in part 1 that not just Sasuke but Naruto and Sakura are also part of ninja clans. On an early chapter opening illustration- On the wall behind them are the symbols we eventually learn in late part 1 was the Uchiha clan crest, what we learned recently in part 2 was the Uzumaki clan as well as Uzushio village's symbol, and the symbol Sakura wears, is her's.

If it was "random" Sakura wouldn't have repeated the symbol on her Chunin uniform shirt back at one of the spots a samurai family crest went on the back of a kimono, and if it was "random" Mebuki in the real world wouldn't be wearing it in exactly reversed colors with two more rings of the same type on her long tunic.

I think it's kind of silly to keep arguing it isn't a clan symbol at this point. The actual debate is whether her clan was of note in the past or was it always a minor one? If it was of just enough status to have a symbol but no more than that? Now that we have no clue on. The point Sakura and Mebuki do wear the symbol on their clothes does make one wonder if the Haruno's were in the distant past a more prestigious clan (say third tier similar to the Ino-Shika-Cho allied clans prior to Konoha's founding) and the special clan ability weakened over time though.... with that point we come back why did Kakashi call Sakura a genjutsu type in early part 1 when she had never shown any evidence of that. It wasn't until the Chunin exams and the attack on Konoha arcs that we got hints that there was something unique about Sakura, and it concerned her ability to see through a genjutsu, break a mental possession that should have been impossible with her second inner self, and show a natural resistance to Kabuto's sleep jutsu...

Kakashi again mentions Sakura being a genjutsu type during the second bell test at the start of part 2 and shortly after that in Tsunade's office we see Sakura's second inner self for the only time so far in part 2. I was kind of hoping we'd see something of this finally developed during the movie, but unlike her parents first appearance that kind of thing would be considerably more significant to the central manga plotline, in retrospect not something Kishimoto would first show in a movie that isn't even true manga canon. If Kishimoto is meaning to parallel Naruto and Sakura to Mito and Hashirama and Minato and Kushina, he'll wait to display this until the final battle they have with Sasuke, with maybe just a bigger hint leading up to it. (more overt than the ones in part 1) and he'll get Naruto and Sakura together as a couple first.

All the ninja eventually go back to the Rikudo Senin in some fashion. If a person has the genetic capability to mold chakra to their use they have ninja, not civilian ancestry. A clan can be just a small family grouping (look at the Nara clan) or huge like the the Senju, Uzumaki, Uchiha, Hyuuga, etc... They can also die out like the Senju nearly has, the Uchiha nearly has, etc...

On the Jonin point, yeah I think so about Shikamaru. Also I wonder, if in contrast to the movie real world, if Sakura's parents didn't also give their consent to Sakura becoming a Jonin right before the war- considering the way she takes the leadership role in the medic camp when they are battling the Zetsu... Maybe Tsunade had a talk with them and convinced them that their daughter was skilled and ready to be a Jonin. Or if she's not yet (which is probably the more likely. It's just the other ninja she works with accept her as a Jonin in all but name- we saw that during the destruction of Konoha too.) we'll finally see her parents in the manga at the end of the war finally giving their consent to Sakura becoming a Jonin. I can just visualize that scene- it will both funny and touching... Mebuki making bossy commentary about how Sakura should properly conduct herself as a Jonin ninja while Kizashi makes jokes but also is going all sentimental about "his little girl" (if one of her parents cries I guarantee it will be her dad.) Poor Sakura will be standing there all embarrassed by her dad and annoyed by her mom laugh.gif

Edited by ciardha, 30 July 2012 - 09:10 AM.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:45 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Jul 30 2012, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes it came out :3

we basically got the whole movie spoiled XDDD



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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:01 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 30 2012, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How nice:

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He said Sakura did a good job in bringing Naruto back to reality. So yeah, Naruto did choose her over family.


I don't want to be the devil's advocate but Naruto didn't exactly 'choose' Sakura over his parents. It's not like he sacrificed them to save Sakura or anything. xD He wanted to save her against their wishes, and in the end all four of them fight and win together. At that point, Naruto had no choice but to fight and break the illusion, or to die. That and, he knows they are just illusions.

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ Jul 30 2012, 05:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LOL Thats what im asking did she apologize TO him at the fence?


She was about to, but was interrupted. I remember that Shadow said she went to see him, but then she saw him happy with his parents and didn't want to spoil the moment.

QUOTE (KnS @ Jul 30 2012, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally, I think it's wise for all fans to take a step back from their shipping views once in a while, to just enjoy the story and try to engage in a little intellectual honesty.

Shipping preferences can blind people to the facts on the page, and motivate them to willfully misinterpret the author's intent. There's no sense in potentially ruining a good story for yourself because you emotionally invest in a pairing to the point that you cannot be rational or objective.

The thing I don't get about the more outspoken NH fans is their intensely Hinata-centric view. They are completely wrapped up in her feelings and desires, while Naruto's feelings are either not mentioned in the equation at all or only secondarily after Hinata's needs are met. And such fans never appear to rationally question why Hinata is so important to them, or how her importance might skew their perception.

The facts are that Hinata is not a main character, she's had very little personal character development and has not fulfilled a useful role in the plot beyond idolizing Naruto (to see this requires the intellectual honesty I was talking about), and Naruto has never acknowledged her as a love interest. To wave away these facts by saying NH will happen because "Naruto is over Sakura" is foolhardy (that's me being kind) because there is zero evidence to support that claim, and actual evidence to the contrary.

What's most amazing to me about some of the RtN responses from Team NH is how inconsistently they apply their "logic." To them, AU!Hinata's insistence that Menma is "her man" proves that NH will be canon. Although... where is the proof that Menma is any more interested in AU!Hinata than Naruto is in either version of her? Even if Menma was into his version of Hinata, how is that relevant to the manga if RtN is a backwards universe? Logically, wouldn't that instead prove that Naruto and Hinata would NEVER be together in the real world?

No matter how you slice the evidence, manga or RtN, Naruto shows no romantic interest in Hinata. Meanwhile, Sakura becomes more and more important to him in important, Real LifeTM ways, woven right into the very fabric of Naruto's life.

So... yeah, the desperation of Team NH hurts my brain. I personally don't like to make risky, emotional investments. My money is on NS because it's the only pairing that makes any sense based on the facts we have received so far.


This. smile.gif I've seen bad pairing 'arguments' from every shipping, but sometimes, it feels like NaruSaku is unfairly targeted from both sides because it 'interferes' with the two other big non-yaoi pairings. Some of arguments that sometimes make me wonder if we're reading the same manga.

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 30 2012, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it's kind of silly to keep arguing it isn't a clan symbol at this point. The actual debate is whether her clan was of note in the past or was it always a minor one? Of enough status to have a symbol but no more than that. Now that we have no clue on. The point Sakura and Mebuki do wear the symbol on their clothes does make one wonder if the Haruno's were in the distant past a more prestigious clan and the special clan ability weakened over time though.... again we come back why did Kakashi call Sakura a genjutsu type when she had never shown any evidence of that at that time. It wasn't until the Chunin exams and the attack on Konoha arcs that we got hints that there was something unique about Sakura and it concerned her ability to see through a genjutsu, break a mental possession that should have been impossible with her second inner self, and show a natural resistance to Kabuto's sleep jutsu... Kakashi again mentions Sakura being a genjutsu type during the second bell test at the start of part 1 and shortly after that in Tsunade's office we see Sakura's second inner self for the only time so far in part 2. I was kind of hoping we'd see something of this finally developed during the movie, but unlike her parents appearance that kind of thing would be more significant to the central manga plotline. If Kishimoto is meaning to parallel Naruto and Sakura to Mito and Hashirama and Minato and Kushina, he'll wait to display this until the final battle they have with Sasuke, with maybe just a bigger hint leading up to it. (more overt than the ones in part 1)


Kishimoto said in an interview that Sakura's parents were "normal." I've hardly seen any interviews where he has anything positive to say about Sakura -- his biggest compliment was that she was realistic.

Edited by Nefertieh, 30 July 2012 - 09:04 AM.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:05 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jul 30 2012, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any Narusaku!?!?


man are you late...your lucky im in a ranting mood XD LOL

i guess i can put it in numbers.....

1) sakura dragged him to the park so he could vent about her parents (she just saw him and said lets go!!)

2) they do get into a mini fight (sakura was angry beforehand and so was naruto so they took it out on each other)

3) they switch places in the genjutsu world...sakura doesnt have parents....naruto does... (at first sakura likes it but later she realizes its lonely......and looks for naruto)

4) sakura sees how happy naruto is and decides not to talk to him about leaving(that was sweet of her)

5) sakura gets captured and naruto leaves his parents to rescue her (he chooses sakura over his "family")

6) once sakura gets rescued naruto tells itachi to protect her (the akatsuki are good in the AU world)

7) naruto gets in trouble and sakura ditches itachi to save him

8) sakura protects naruto...but is about to be defeated until he saves her

9)...they go back home and naruto says "wanna go on a date" and sakura says " we already had the longest date ever" and naruto is like "WHAT?? THAT WAS A DATE!?"

10) sakura understands naruto better and apologizes for venting about her parents earlier.

11) bonus.....sakura sees playboy sasuke being a playboy and runs away upset

of course these are just the narusaku moments NOT the whole movie

i heard hinata and sasuke werent even shown that much.......

hinata did get mad at naruto for being on sakura's side

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:06 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jul 30 2012, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any Narusaku!?!?


hmm, dunno where to start, just go back a few pages, Fen-san.
Compared to SS NH moment, they're nothing against us. Uhukk biggrin.gif *cough*

I give you some explisit moment,
"Let's go on date!" - Sakura
Then they're on the swings of academy, had a fight, being rude to each other, and jreng jreng, Tobi coming.
Another obvious hint:

nice ending:
"Let's go on date, Sakura-chan!"
"We just had the longest date ever!"

yeah, some lines like that.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:12 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 30 2012, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sigh. That's an old marking used for milk in Japan. You could just as easily point to the Naruto swirl on Naruto fishcakes and state Naruto's and Kushina's Uzumaki clan symbol was just some random symbol and there was no proof of it being a clan symbol.

Kishimoto showed back in part 1 that not just Sasuke but Naruto and Sakura are also part of ninja clans. On an early chapter opening illustration- On the wall behind them are the symbols we eventually learn in late part 1 was the Uchiha clan crest, what we learned recently in part 2 was the Uzumaki clan as well as Uzushio village's symbol, and the symbol Sakura wears, is her's.

If it was "random" Sakura wouldn't have repeated the symbol on her Chunin uniform shirt back at one of the spots a samurai family crest went on the back of a kimono, and if it was "random" Mebuki in the real world wouldn't be wearing it in exactly reversed colors with two more rings of the same type on her long tunic.

I think it's kind of silly to keep arguing it isn't a clan symbol at this point. The actual debate is whether her clan was of note in the past or was it always a minor one? If was it just enough status to have a symbol but no more than that? Now that we have no clue on. The point Sakura and Mebuki do wear the symbol on their clothes does make one wonder if the Haruno's were in the distant past a more prestigious clan and the special clan ability weakened over time though.... with that point we come back why did Kakashi call Sakura a genjutsu type in early part 1 when she had never shown any evidence of that. It wasn't until the Chunin exams and the attack on Konoha arcs that we got hints that there was something unique about Sakura, and it concerned her ability to see through a genjutsu, break a mental possession that should have been impossible with her second inner self, and show a natural resistance to Kabuto's sleep jutsu...

Kakashi again mentions Sakura being a genjutsu type during the second bell test at the start of part 2 and shortly after that in Tsunade's office we see Sakura's second inner self for the only time so far in part 2. I was kind of hoping we'd see something of this finally developed during the movie, but unlike her parents first appearance that kind of thing would be considerably more significant to the central manga plotline, in retrospect not something Kishimoto would first show in a movie that isn't even true manga canon. If Kishimoto is meaning to parallel Naruto and Sakura to Mito and Hashirama and Minato and Kushina, he'll wait to display this until the final battle they have with Sasuke, with maybe just a bigger hint leading up to it. (more overt than the ones in part 1) and he'll get Naruto and Sakura together as a couple first.

All the ninja eventually go back to the Rikudo Senin in some fashion. If a person has the genetic capability to mold chakra to their use they have ninja, not civilian ancestry. A clan can be just a small family grouping (look at the Nara clan) or huge like the the Senju, Uzumaki, Uchiha, Hyuuga, etc... They can also die out like the Senju nearly has, the Uchiha nearly has, etc...

On the Jonin point, yeah I think so about Shikamaru. Also I wonder, if in contrast to the movie real world, if Sakura's parents didn't also give their consent to Sakura becoming a Jonin right before the war- considering the way she takes the leadership role in the medic camp when they are battling the Zetsu... Maybe Tsunade had a talk with them and convinced them that their daughter was skilled and ready to be a Jonin. Or if she's not yet (which is probably the more likely. It's just the other ninja she works with accept her as a Jonin in all but name- we saw that during the destruction of Konoha too.) we'll finally see her parents in the manga at the end of the war finally giving their consent to Sakura becoming a Jonin. I can just visualize that scene- it will both funny and touching... Mebuki making bossy commentary about how Sakura should properly conduct herself as a Jonin ninja while Kizashi makes jokes but also is going all sentimental about "his little girl" (if one of her parents cries I guarantee it will be her dad.) Poor Sakura will be standing there all embarrassed by her dad and annoyed by her mom laugh.gif


Bolded: And that's why it would be best to have Kishi come out and say it. I'd rather have Kishi do that rather than beating around the bush. Hell, I would definitely be more interested in Sakura's clan background than the whole Uchiha crap shoved down our throats. If Kishi made a point showing that Kizashi is a chuunin, then he could very well be planning to add more background to Sakura. Particularly, her clan background. I honestly hope Kishi plans on doing that since he promised there'd be more interesting surprises in the next year and a half.

@Nefertieh: you just had to spoil the fun, didn't you?? tongue.gif but yeah, that makes the most sense. But you can't deny the symbolism.

Edited by Codus N, 30 July 2012 - 09:13 AM.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:21 AM

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Kishimoto said in an interview that Sakura's parents were "normal." I've hardly seen any interviews where he has anything positive to say about Sakura -- his biggest compliment was that she was realistic.


Normal in Naruto's world would be Chunin ninja. Which we now know for sure Kizashi is. Er, it sounds like you haven't read any interviews just saw someone's selected quotes on NF. A very poor source (as is Narutopedia, in case you didn't know, worse than useless for any info on Sakura) Even in the one that he calls her realistic, he means that in a complimentary way and says several overtly positive things about her. In fact, she's probably the character he's made the most number of positive comments about after Naruto. Perhaps even more. She's certainly the one he's defended the most strongly against negative comments.

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Bolded: And that's why it would be best to have Kishi come out and say it. I'd rather have Kishi do that rather than beating around the bush. Hell, I would definitely be more interested in Sakura's clan background than the whole Uchiha crap shoved down our throats. If Kishi made a point showing that Kizashi is a chuunin, then he could very well be planning to add more background to Sakura. Particularly, her clan background. I honestly hope Kishi plans on doing that since he promised there'd be more interesting surprises in the next year and a half.


Oh I agree with that. Kishimoto does tend to leave things subtle for a long time (look at how he handled the revelations about Naruto's parentage- for years subtle visual hints, a rare vague dropped phrase, etc...) and I agree it feels like there's no mysteries left about the Uchiha clan laugh.gif We know more about them than we know about the Uzumaki's. Yep, with the story lasting longer than he had planned that hopefully means we will get some real solid background about Sakura's family now.

Edited by ciardha, 30 July 2012 - 09:41 AM.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:32 AM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Jul 30 2012, 05:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded: And that's why it would be best to have Kishi come out and say it. I'd rather have Kishi do that rather than beating around the bush. Hell, I would definitely be more interested in Sakura's clan background than the whole Uchiha crap shoved down our throats. If Kishi made a point showing that Kizashi is a chuunin, then he could very well be planning to add more background to Sakura. Particularly, her clan background. I honestly hope Kishi plans on doing that since he promised there'd be more interesting surprises in the next year and a half.

That makes two of us. laugh.gif

I'm still crossing my fingers that when the shinobi army arrives to assist Naruto, Sakura is gonna team up with him to combat Tobi while the rest of them deal with Mazou.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:41 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 30 2012, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Normal in Naruto's world would be Chunin ninja. Which we now know for sure Kizashi is. Er, it sounds like you haven't read any interviews just saw someone's selected quotes on NF. A very poor source (as is Narutopedia, in case you didn't know, worse than useless for any info on Sakura) Even in the one that he calls her realistic, he means that in a complimentary way and says several overtly positive things about her. In fact, she's probably the character he's made the most number of positive comments about after Naruto. Perhaps even more. She's certainly the one he's defended the most strongly against negative comments.


Well, mind showing us those comments??

@red: Definitely. If Kishi plans on doing that, then a year and a half is enough to squeeze it in and finish the series at the same time.

A thought just occurred to me: what if Tobi's genjutsu is a mix of S/T ninjutsu and genjutsu? (NinGenjutsu anyone?) that would explain Road to Sakura and why it was said at the end of the movie that they had disappeared. Basically, upon activating the genjutsu, he also activates his S/T by creating a AU dimension to trap them in. Complicated, I know, but it makes some sense.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Jul 30 2012, 05:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, mind showing us those comments??


try just about any interview he's done where he talks about Sakura.
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:42 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 30 2012, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Normal in Naruto's world would be Chunin ninja. Which we now know for sure Kizashi is. Er, it sounds like you haven't read any interviews just saw someone's selected quotes on NF. A very poor source (as is Narutopedia, in case you didn't know, worse than useless for any info on Sakura) Even in the one that he calls her realistic, he means that in a complimentary way and says several overtly positive things about her. In fact, she's probably the character he's made the most number of positive comments about after Naruto. Perhaps even more. She's certainly the one he's defended the most strongly against negative comments.



Oh I agree with that. Kishimoto does tend to leave things subtle for a long time (look at how he handled the revelations about Naruto's parentage- for years subtle visual hints, a rare vague dropped phrase, etc...) and I agree it feels like there's no mysteries left about the Uchiha clan laugh.gif We know more about them than we know about the Uzumaki's. Yep, with the story lasting longer than he had planned that hopefully means we will get some real solid background about Sakura's family now.


Her character is based on his wife so you know...
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