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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Is there an option to not know that an ignored user post even exists? It's like I'm being baited into responding by purposely leaving points that are easy to refute.

 

You can go to the person's profile then choose to ignore them and their posts there.

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[Yyubie]

The hug was just very intimate. The way she's holding him is not after a fashion that two uninvolved friends would do. And it's significant because she's doing it where everyone can see her. She likes Naruto and doesn't care what people will think anymore. In the past she would never have done this. She didn't really like Naruto and she wouldn't want people to think she did. She'd worry about her reputation. But he's her hero and she wanted him to know that. She screamed in desperation for him and he arrived. It was so beautiful. I don't know why he threw it all away

Sadly the pro ending fans sees that scene as , "Hey Naruto no longer a loser , he is a hero now , in the spotlight with lots of people attention , Sakura just basically like a poor girl trying to get with famous/rich guy just for the status/money". And as much as i hate whoever say that , i think it has a point.

 

It should be like this , sakura should not do that in front of the villager. She should ask Naruto "Hey Naruto i want to speak with you privately in training ground where we get the bell from Kakashi sensei" , then she should hug him there. I think that's better.

[DrK]

Sadly the pro ending fans sees that scene as , "Hey Naruto no longer a loser , he is a hero now , in the spotlight with lots of people attention , Sakura just basically like a poor girl trying to get with famous/rich guy just for the status/money". And as much as i hate whoever say that , i think it has a point.

 

It should be like this , sakura should not do that in front of the villager. She should ask Naruto "Hey Naruto i want to speak with you privately in training ground where we get the bell from Kakashi sensei" , then she should hug him there. I think that's better.

Yeah, it's easy to interpret that way. To be pro ending you almost have to view Sakura as being a bad person. This whole idea of Love because you're a Hero now doesn't work though. Because she started to like him really early on. She just didn't really get the feeling. The Wave arc blushing when he was orchestrating the plan against Zabuza. Smiling at him after learning the truth about Gaara fight. The sad thing is Naruto never saw any of those moments and I guess we're meant to think she never really felt that way about him at the end. So what were they for?

 

Also how would Sakura be so kittening positive that Naruto's "love" for her was hypocrisy motivated by a rivalry with Sasuke? What if you're wrong, Sakura? Wouldn't that destroy your friendship with him by insulting his feelings that are so central to the person he is?

[DrK]

We're meant to believe that Naruto made out that he liked Sakura, wanted to be with Sakura, would do anything for Sakura, and put Sakura's safety and happiness above his own life. When he didn't and wouldn't. He would rather be with Hinata.

 

I don't like a Naruto who would do that. I never will.

[James S Cassidy]

Sadly the pro ending fans sees that scene as , "Hey Naruto no longer a loser , he is a hero now , in the spotlight with lots of people attention , Sakura just basically like a poor girl trying to get with famous/rich guy just for the status/money". And as much as i hate whoever say that , i think it has a point.

 

It should be like this , sakura should not do that in front of the villager. She should ask Naruto "Hey Naruto i want to speak with you privately in training ground where we get the bell from Kakashi sensei" , then she should hug him there. I think that's better.

If that is the case, why didn't any other female try to hug Naruto? Ino could be seen just as shallow if not worse than Sakura and yet, she didn't hug Naruto after the whole ordeal. Why is that everyone keeps saying that every girl, EXCEPT HINATA, are nothing more than shallow people with fake emotions? You mean to tell me that because Hinata is shy she is not shallow?

We see this "hero woreship" in Naruto the Last when all the girls were gropping on him because of how popular he was now and to showcase how everyone else is shallow, BUT HINATA. I am really getting sick of Hinata getting away with everything. No other person, male or female, can show affection or care for Naruto otherwise they would be labelled shallow and that Hinata is supposedly the ONLY CHARACTER with genuine feelings. God, it pisses me off.
 

I will forever say that Hinata is the most shallow person in the series now. Just because....I said so. Just like how everyone says Sakura is shallow just for breathing.

Do people not understand? God, I truly do hate this obvious bias. Do they not realize that the reason why Sakura became as shallow as she was because they wanted Sakura to be with Sasuke so bad? They kittened and moaned that Sakura HAD to be with Sasuke, but then call her shallow when she stays with Sasuke.

I swear am I the only one who sees this bullcrap? Am I the only one who understand the hypocrisy that is this fandom when they do this crap?

Every single bad thing about these characters now is that it is all a direct cause of forcing NH to be canon.
SS didn't become canon because "That is what the story told," but rather because Hinata HAD to be with Naruto.
Sakura is seen as shallow because Hinata HAD to be with Naruto, so they forced her character to never change.

I can make every single problem explainable by one simple phrase: "Becuase they had to make Hinata get with Naruto." There is no other reason than that. It is so simple yet I feel so many miss this point. And I will reiterate another fact: If NaruSaku was canon, none of this garbage would be happening. People would not look down on Sakura so hard. They would not look down on Naruto so hard. They would not even be looking down at Sasuke so hard.

BUUUUUTTTTTT BECAUSE HINATA HAD TO GET WITH NARUTO AS A PLOT IMPERATIVE we are stuck with the garbage we have.

And I am sorry, Analyzer, or anyone who is reading this and wants to argue this point....everytime I hear someone say that "Sakura sucks" it is because the of the reason that she did not get over Sasuke. Her obsession with Sasuke is the number one reason why everyone hates her. You can't say that this is not true because I see it every single day. Ever single time I argue with pro-enders why NS didn't become canon is because "Sakrua was too obsessed with Sasuke." Well, it was an easy fix, but people like Sawyer7mage couldn't handle NS being canon and cried like little kittenes. "Waaaahhhh, Sakura has to be with Sasuke and Hinata has to be with Naruto" and hen they have the balls to make a video about how shallow and obsessive Sakura is because she didn't get over Sasuke and this makes her the worse anime character ever. However, it is totally okay for Hinata to be super obsessive and stalkerish with Naruto because  that is "tur lurve."

If Kishimoto just let Sakura get over Sasuke and put her with Naruto...I guarentee you the fandom would not be as it is today. There will always be haters, but I bet you $10 that if NS was canon...people would actually praise Sakura instead of treating her like kitten. If Kishimoto actually saw how real life girls really are and not just jote vomit on paper with One dimensional female character...we would not be having these problems today.

But then they would probably treat Naruto like kitten because "he let a sweet innocent girl like Hinata go and made her cry."

Give me a break.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 October 2017 - 08:05 PM.

[DrK]

Give me a break.

 The truly sad thing is. Many of these ending fans who are glad he ended up with Hinata will end up realizing the truth I stated earlier. And they will not be happy when they do. I also thought it was just fine. Why shouldn't he be with Hinata? Hinata was always good to him, and she loved him since a long time. She would support him in anything and never laugh at his dreams.

 

I was horrified reading the manga again when i understood what Naruto felt for Sakura. The whole thing is awful.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 The truly sad thing is. Many of these ending fans who are glad he ended up with Hinata will end up realizing the truth I stated earlier. And they will not be happy when they do. I also thought it was just fine. Why shouldn't he be with Hinata? Hinata was always good to him, and she loved him since a long time. She would support him in anything and never laugh at his dreams.

 

I was horrified reading the manga again when i understood what Naruto felt for Sakura. The whole thing is awful.

 

Yeah, I know what you mean. But some of them just do not get too that Hinata didn't fully understand how important Naruto's dream was to him, given how she kind of mocked it when Kiba was talking about how he was gonna become Hokage after the declarations Naruto and Sasuke made about it, and how she just brushed it off about how everyone wanted to be Hokage, not getting the significance it has for Naruto, not just because of why he originally wanted it, but now because of the reason he had wanted to go for it.

[DrK]

 

Yeah, I know what you mean. But some of them just do not get too that Hinata didn't fully understand how important Naruto's dream was to him, given how she kind of mocked it when Kiba was talking about how he was gonna become Hokage after the declarations Naruto and Sasuke made about it, and how she just brushed it off about how everyone wanted to be Hokage, not getting the significance it has for Naruto, not just because of why he originally wanted it, but now because of the reason he had wanted to go for it.

Yeah. There is a scene where they clearly try to show that Sakura understands and trusts Naruto more than Hinata does. That scene where Hinata is worried for Naruto but Sakura is like "This is not even close to what Naruto is capable of" or whatever. I forget exactly when it happens.

[James S Cassidy]

 The truly sad thing is. Many of these ending fans who are glad he ended up with Hinata will end up realizing the truth I stated earlier. And they will not be happy when they do. I also thought it was just fine. Why shouldn't he be with Hinata? Hinata was always good to him, and she loved him since a long time. She would support him in anything and never laugh at his dreams.

 

I was horrified reading the manga again when i understood what Naruto felt for Sakura. The whole thing is awful.

They will never get it because they live in denial the whole time. They can;t even accept Hinata's faults let alone faults with the relationship. They think she is Mary Poppins. Practically perfect in every way. Whenever I talked to a pro-ender NH fan all they ever talked about was how cute HInata was and how she deserved Naruto because she loved him since the beginning.

Well, great for her, but Naruto loved Sakura since the beginning through her faults and her strengths. Everything Hinata was to Naruto, Naruto was to Sakura. So why didn't Naruto, who is the main character, get with the girl that he loved? "Because Hinata had to be with Naruto." Everything else is the symptoms of the cancer that is NH. And it is a cancer, I am not going to be kind here. Ever since they put HInata above everyone else everything else went down hill.

As for the Sakura hitting Naruto....like....*sighs and takes a deep breath* Love HIna, Ruroni Kenshin, Demon King Daimao, Full Metal Alchemist....so many anime and stories where these females are aggressive towards the male and yet they have no problem with it. Naru can hit Keitaro thousands of times knocking him into the distance Team Rocket style....BUUUUTTTT Sakura is the abusive one.

Again, give me a break. The fact that these people don't get that it is Japanese comedy means that they are not even good enough to be called weeaboos. They make weeaboos look like Japanese citizens.
 

 

Yeah. There is a scene where they clearly try to show that Sakura understands and trusts Naruto more than Hinata does. That scene where Hinata is worried for Naruto but Sakura is like "This is not even close to what Naruto is capable of" or whatever. I forget exactly when it happens.

It was the scene where Naruto met Tobi for the first time and Hinata was all "OMG, Naruto is going to be killed" and Sakura said "You have to have more faith in Naruto, Hinata. Naruto can take care of himself. I have faith in him." Something along those lines.

And if people think Sakura never did, then why did she calll out for Naruto when Pein wrecked the city? I didn't see her say "Saskeeeh come and save me you sexy, sexy man."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 October 2017 - 08:25 PM.

[Catra]

i for one am glad NH exists in such a horrible canon that it is right now. I guarantee if NS was endgame they'd say the same complaints we have with this epilogue/gaiden/boruto series like "orochimaru is still alive see??!"

[DrK]

I mean, you don't even have to think that Hinata and Naruto in Boruto is a crappy family/relationship because Boruto is a brat or Naruto sleeps on the couch or whatever. Or the two of them don't have chemistry or don't work well together for whatever reason. kitten all that. Just read the manga and understand what it is he felt for Sakura. Think about Sakura literally holding his heart in her hands. You'll get it eventually if you are a functioning human with emotions.

[DrK]

No one is willing to die for a shallow crush based on a lie based on your desire to be better than another man. Sorry.

[James S Cassidy]

i for one am glad NH exists in such a horrible canon that it is right now. I guarantee if NS was endgame they'd say the same complaints we have with this epilogue/gaiden/boruto series like "orochimaru is still alive see??!"

 

We will never know this, unfortunitly. Not saying it wouldn't be a good guess, but I could argue that if Kishimoto was a better writer, NS would be the endgame because it is the best one story wise and most if not all of the story issues would have been resolved.

Let me put it this way: if Kishimoto was a competant writer...then the end result would have been NS endgame with nothing left undone in the story. Almost everything would be explained with maybe side-stories explaining the smaller details that weren't important enough for the story, but interesting enough to make a side-story out of it. However because Kishimoto is incompetant is the reason why we got NH in the end in the first place. It is a snowball effect like a line of dominos knocked one after the other until it hits the self-destruct button.

I could be wrong, I know, and we all have our different opinions, but I just feel like it all leads to another in the world most horrible joke. Kishimoto was incompetant about writing good characters and instead of learning and trying to be better at it just decided that he was too lazy and just listening to whatever fans talked the loudest. He couldn't be bothered writing something deep and meaningful so instead just write the least he could and gave the pairing choice to the NH fans who screamed bloody murder. This explains why so much was just swept under the rug or why he had so many other writers "fill in the gaps." It was just one bad decision after another and it ruined his series. No matter how popular Boruto is now, it will never be as strong as Naruto was Pre-Shinobi Summit Arc.

And it just saddens me that the fans don't even realize what they have done.

 

I mean, you don't even have to think that Hinata and Naruto in Boruto is a crappy family/relationship because Boruto is a brat or Naruto sleeps on the couch or whatever. Or the two of them don't have chemistry or don't work well together for whatever reason. kitten all that. Just read the manga and understand what it is he felt for Sakura. Think about Sakura literally holding his heart in her hands. You'll get it eventually if you are a functioning human with emotions.

As Junko said: "I just don't feel any love between Naruto and Hinata" and there isn't.
It doesn't matter how abusive the fans think Sakura was, Naruto never saw Sakura as being abusive to him....he could have easily avoided those blows if he wants and like you said retaliated, but Naruto was a good person who saw the best in people. So why do people think Sakura is heartless and abusive...when Naruto thought the exact opposite.

Naruto: "Sakura....you're amazing..."

I don't even remember Naruto saying that to Hinata.

 

 

No one is willing to die for a shallow crush based on a lie based on your desire to be better than another man. Sorry.

And to add noone would ever stay with someone who treats them like they are useless, beats them down everyday, and attempts to murder them thinking that "they are just afraid to show emotion."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 October 2017 - 08:24 PM.

[DrK]

Yes. This is what I always tell people. It doesn't matter what I think about Sakura. It doesn't matter if YOU don't like Sakura. Naruto does. He will not be happy without Sakura. And he isn't.

[James S Cassidy]

Yes. This is what I always tell people. It doesn't matter what I think about Sakura. It doesn't matter if YOU don't like Sakura. Naruto does. He will not be happy without Sakura. And he isn't.

And he never will be, but they don't care. They don't care what Naruto feels or what he did felt. As long as he is with Hinata, nothing else matters.

I challenge anyone to ask a pro-ender why NH had to be canon. They will answer: "Because Hinata loved him from the beginning and she deserved him." They never mention how Naruto felt...they just mention how Hinata felt. So when people tell me that I don't understand these characters...well, at least I care enough about them to know fact from fiction.

Sasuke doesn't really care about Sakura
Naruto doesn't really love Hinata. I can't say Naruto doesn't care about Hinata, because he cares about everyone, but I know he doesn't love her.

Even if Sakura and Hinata retained their original feelings, one sided love does not a good relationship make. Otherwise you get....well, what we have now.

"Bolt is named Bolt because he holds the family together."
-Kishimoto

So good job Hinata, you're basically holding Naruto hostage. What a great love story everyone.

I am sorry if I am a bit over dramatic, but when I think about everything the Naruto fandom has done it gets my blood boiling. They don't realise how narrow minded they really are.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 October 2017 - 08:33 PM.

[DrK]

This idea that he fell into the love he already had for Hinata is so laughable. He thought she was weird. He didn't really know how to talk to her or what her deal was so he mostly didn't talk to her. He did not have an understanding of what her behavior meant and probably thought it meant she didn't really like talking to him. He probably avoided her most of the time. He fought Neji on her behalf because it was so abhorrent to his core values, NOT because he had an attachment to Hinata. The failure speech is literally going to be the ONLY thing he thinks about when he thinks about her. Compared to what he had with Sakura that is nothing at all.

 

Characters that would be happier if Naruto and Sakura were together:

Naruto

Sakura

Sasuke (probably, he could be with Karin who would travel with him and support him more than Sakura. Plus he'd be happy for his two friends. I really like thinking of Sasuke as really caring about his friends. I don't like to think that he would just accept Sakura's unhappiness in the canon. I really want to think that he wouldn't.)

Karin herself (gets to be with Sasuke)

Kakashi

Iruka

Tsunade

Jiraiya

Ino (I doubt she likes seeing her friend being miserable)

Sakura's parents

Minato and Kushina

Obito would think it was awesome

Sarada (could be with both parents)

Gaara (would be happy that his friend was happy)

Shikamaru, Konohamaru, other friends of Naruto and Sakura (same reason)

Rock Lee (probably doesn't like seeing Sakura being miserable and same reason)

Sai (obvious)

There are probably others.

 

Characters that would be happier if Naruto and Hinata were together:

Hinata

Edited by DrK, 25 October 2017 - 08:46 PM.

[Catra]

the anime is lazy too, i see they made a "what if minato and kushina were alive" story and nothing changed. sasuke is still a self entitled brat, everyone still hates naruto, naruto is still dumb, neji's still right about destiny.

[DrK]

It was so kittened up that Neji ended up being right about destiny. He died as a slave of the main family on behalf of the main family just as his father did. It's an awful message. How could no one close to Kishimoto have seen that? Or did they and they just didn't care?

Edited by DrK, 25 October 2017 - 08:50 PM.

[Catra]

the latter most likely

[James S Cassidy]

It was so kittened up that Neji ended up being right about destiny. He died as a slave of the main family on behalf of the main family just as his father did. It's an awful message. How could no one close to Kishimoto have seen that? Or did they and they just didn't care?

They just didn't care. Yahagi was already gone by that time and the only people left were NH fanatics working as his editors. We know this because they actually admitted it on twitter.

I am partially thinking that this should have been the last page in the manga


You get a cookie if anyone knows where this references to.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 October 2017 - 08:56 PM.