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#46341 TheFirstEvil100

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 02:40 PM

NH fandom in it's glory.

I know lets just say in my Naruto/Corpse Party crossover Hinata gets a class shard in her neck why, well she tries to kill Sakura fatally wounds another girl who is gay.

 

I won't say anymore as I am still doing it after all so shall be a while.

 

The bigger reason is cause her fans are sending me PM that Sakura should die like the kitten she is, so I am going to have Hinata die, and it will not be the only one either, not going to keep sending be death meassages after all.



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 02:43 PM

I am working on new NaruSaku stories as well which they always end up together because that is what the manga was going to end before NH fans wanted Hinata to be, lol I still get bashed and death messages by them saying Hinata is more worthy, but I just pay them no attaention they can act like little children.

 

I am planning to do a Kampfer Naruto crossover lol.

 

That or they leave butthurt guest reviews not even reviewing the story, but saying "NARUSAKU SUCKS! NARUHINA iS CANON! GROW UP AND ACCEPT IT!"


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 02:44 PM

I know lets just say in my Naruto/Corpse Party crossover Hinata gets a class shard in her neck why, well she tries to kill Sakura fatally wounds another girl who is gay.

 

I won't say anymore as I am still doing it after all so shall be a while.

 

The bigger reason is cause her fans are sending me PM that Sakura should die like the kitten she is, so I am going to have Hinata die, and it will not be the only one either, not going to keep sending be death meassages after all.

Or this can be a reason. But I never knew why people go as far as to read fanfiction of fandoms they don't even like, and talk kitten there  :zaru:



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 04:35 PM

James S Cassidy: I decided to write your idea as a side story

 

https://www.fanficti...eaven-and-Earth

 

When hugging her at the end Naruto smiles like Kushina did:

Sweet and hey, thanks for giving me credit. I do like the way you wrote this and it is very heartfelt. Like a child finding the true place where they belong. I like it. This is my new headcanon.
 

 

 

While I would say that you're completely wrong about it being NaruHina fans and you not having sufficient enough evidence of it being NaruHina fans at all. I would have to admit that my fandom(NH) completely sucks. We NH fans wouldn't know good storytelling even if we did know good storytelling, as evidenced by our view of the Naruto Manga itself.

You're right. It is not just NH fans, but pro-ender SS fans as well. I think this is why I make a clear distinction that NH fans and Pro-enders are not necessarily the same thing. It is kind of like saying: All pro-enders are NH fans, but not all NH fans are pro-enders so to speak.

If you want evidence, look no farther than my own comments section in my NS podcast videos and that is just the tip of the iceberg. It got so bad that some people took down great NS videos because of all the abuse and harassment the pro-enders put on the videos.


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 04:40 PM

 

I mean, I would stop. But you know it's not in our nature to stop pressing the reply button for all infinite eternity and post complete kitten.

You might wanna condense all those 3 continuous posts into a single post.


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 04:45 PM

 

Language: Found in dictionary just now.  Sentence example thanks to my newfound knowledge: I, Anal just realized that not only am I WRONG about the Language of the Naruto Manga and NH and SS being the intended pairings, but I am wrong about everything in general. Go figure. :zaru:

 

Narrative: Thesaurus then dictionary.  Sentence example: I, Analyzer(now known as Zealotyzer) twists the Naruto narrative with pride due to my lack of faith in my actual ship SS and NH having so much underdevelopment. Now I spend my days trying to twist NS fan's correct reading of the Manga. 

 

Characterization: Dictionary, Thesaurus, then Encyclopedia. Sentence example: I am normally characterized as a NH or SS fan on this site, and you know what? I am one, and I'm PROUD God damn it.

 

Criticism: knows all about this word thanks to the crappy ending that I don't want to admit was completely rushed.

 

Unelaborated: Thesaurus. This word fits very well with both NH and SS's sudden relationship in Chapter 700.

 

Look at me, using my newfound big word trying to bully other NS fans, but end up getting completely owned myself. And in response, I am now using even bigger words, with no commas in between as I start to completely have an internal meltdown.

 

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 04:53 PM

On another note, guys, with all this talk about fanfiction, I gotta ask without feeling salty or needing it necessary to kill her off, what would you want to do to make Hinata's character better so that it doesn't come off as selfish as it is?

 

I ask this because I know in my fanfic, Naruto: The Demon Within, with one of my best friends and co-plotter Kurt, I wanted to make Hinata's development significant to where she is more comfortable about talking to people, especially Naruto, and where she ends up not just being focused on Naruto only, to find her own path to becoming strong, even if she would suffer some heartbreak when she realizes Naruto won't reciprocate her feelings and how his heart belongs to Sakura, even if he won't force her to fall in love with him.

 

Since I feel like that was the biggest drawback to Hinata's character, that in spite of developing slowly, she didn't get to go past where she was in the Chunin Exams, so you can't say crap like she and Naruto being together was "planned" when it wasn't. 

 

There's a lot more to TDW I could go into, but I'll save that for another post. Meanwhile, I am kinda enjoying the nonsense of the troll getting trolled :3



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 05:08 PM

On another note, guys, with all this talk about fanfiction, I gotta ask without feeling salty or needing it necessary to kill her off, what would you want to do to make Hinata's character better so that it doesn't come off as selfish as it is?

There are a couple ways of doing it and you can take examples from a lot of harems that you see, but you could consider putting Hinata in the role that Karin is in right now. "She still loves him, but knows that his happiness is more important." Love is not obsession, love is generosity and sometimes a sacrifice.

I want you to look at Love HIna for an example. In the final episode of the anime, at least, Kaitaro thinks that Mutsumi was the girl he made the promise to and for a moment you think it was seeing how all the evidence was her. So Keitaro, being the man that he is, feels that he must keep his promise to her....despite not really feeling that strong of feelings for her. Naru, being sad, accepted that Keitaro wasn't hers, kisses him, and tells him good luck running away crying.

Mutsumi ends up revealing some information about it and Keitaro knocks out of his senses. In a weird sort of way, Mutsumi leads Keitaro to believe that promises, no matter what, should not interfere with doing or being with the right person. Sometimes things change or sometimes they are not what they seem. After Keitaro makes a choice. Mutsumi reveals that it was all an act and that what her real purpose was was to get Keitaro to admit that he was deeply in love with Naru and Naru being deeply in love with him. You see Mutsumi is a lot smarter than what she puts on...sometimes even I got confused whether the clumsy self was just an act or not.

I can see Hinata doing something similar. Seeing Naruto not really happy with her and helping him understand that she is okay with it. She loves him very much and would rather see him happy with someone else than to see him miserable with her. She smiles, albeit with a tear in her eye, and says "Go get your princess" and Naruto takes off after Sakura saying thank you to Hinata.

This would show how she not only grows up, but learns that true love is loving someone more than you love yourself.


Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 October 2017 - 05:44 PM.

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 05:26 PM

I ask this because I know in my fanfic, Naruto: The Demon Within, with one of my best friends and co-plotter Kurt, I wanted to make Hinata's development significant to where she is more comfortable about talking to people, especially Naruto, and where she ends up not just being focused on Naruto only, to find her own path to becoming strong, even if she would suffer some heartbreak when she realizes Naruto won't reciprocate her feelings and how his heart belongs to Sakura, even if he won't force her to fall in love with him.

I think of Hinata's smile at the end of Pain when he's hugging Sakura. I believe that was intended to be mostly the end to her character arc. She's happy to see him happy. I read a fic where after Naruto gets together with Sakura, he seeks out Hinata apologetically and in response she's like "By the way... when a girl acts around you like I did, it means she likes you. Bye, Naruto"

 

That would be the best ending for her IMO



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 05:39 PM

There are a couple ways of doing it and you can take examples from a lot of harems that you see, but you could consider putting Hinata in the role that Karin is in right now. "She still loves him, but knows that his happiness is more important." Love is obsession, love is generosity and sometimes a sacrifice.

I want you to look at Love HIna for an example. In the final episode of the anime, at least, Kaitaro thinks that Mutsumi was the girl he made the promise to and for a moment you think it was seeing how all the evidence was her. So Keitaro, being the man that he is, feels that he must keep his promise to her....despite not really feeling that strong of feelings for her. Naru, being sad, accepted that Keitaro wasn't hers, kisses him, and tells him good luck running away crying.

Mutsumi ends up revealing some information about it and Keitaro knocks out of his senses. In a weird sort of way, Mutsumi leads Keitaro to believe that promises, no matter what, should not interfere with doing or being with the right person. Sometimes things change or sometimes they are not what they seem. After Keitaro makes a choice. Mutsumi reveals that it was all an act and that what her real purpose was was to get Keitaro to admit that he was deeply in love with Naru and Naru being deeply in love with him. You see Mutsumi is a lot smarter than what she puts on...sometimes even I got confused whether the clumsy self was just an act or not.

I can see Hinata doing something similar. Seeing Naruto not really happy with her and helping him understand that she is okay with it. She loves him very much and would rather see him happy with someone else than to see him miserable with her. She smiles, albeit with a tear in her eye, and says "Go get your princess" and Naruto takes off after Sakura saying thank you to Hinata.

This would show how she not only grows up, but learns that true love is loving someone more than you love yourself.

 

I think of Hinata's smile at the end of Pain when he's hugging Sakura. I believe that was intended to be mostly the end to her character arc. She's happy to see him happy. I read a fic where after Naruto gets together with Sakura, he seeks out Hinata apologetically and in response she's like "By the way... when a girl acts around you like I did, it means she likes you. Bye, Naruto"

 

That would be the best ending for her IMO

 

I wanna say thank you for your actual responses, guys, instead of deflecting like You-Know-Who. You really both got some good points shining here, and that makes me feel good to hear that my question is being taken seriously since it is something of value for sure.

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 05:49 PM

 

 

I wanna say thank you for your actual responses, guys, instead of deflecting like You-Know-Who. You really both got some good points shining here, and that makes me feel good to hear that my question is being taken seriously since it is something of value for sure.

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You're welcome. Any way to help. It is funny how most of us here at the NS fandom, despite what we may say about hating on Hinata, don't actually treat her as bad as you expect. We never try to insult Hinata as a character by magically erasing her past and having her think something OOC. Instead, we have her grow as character to where you don't have to get over your love, but sometimes you do have to move on from them.

This is what character development is all about. If anything, sometimes I feel we respect and want more for Hinata than even her own so called "fandom" did. We wanted to see her as something more than just pairing fodder and a back ground character. We wanted to see her succeed in her own way that didn't revolve around Naruto.


Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 October 2017 - 05:55 PM.

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 06:22 PM

 

 

 

I wanna say thank you for your actual responses, guys, instead of deflecting like You-Know-Who. You really both got some good points shining here, and that makes me feel good to hear that my question is being taken seriously since it is something of value for sure.

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You know I actually used to support NaruHina over NaruSaku? I really didn't like Sakura very much. I thought it was so screwed up how she hit Naruto and Naruto just put up with it. And I hated the way she hero worshipped Sasuke when Naruto did more for her than he did. And it was frustrating to me that she still loved Sasuke after all the bad treatment from him. I used to fantasize about the thought of Naruto finally putting Sakura in her place, like stopping her from hitting him and saying he wouldn't put up with it anymore so she'd better stop. Not that Sakura actually hits Naruto very much at all in the manga, but I digress.

 

Anyway, there was something I didn't understand. Naruto truly loves Sakura with all his heart. She means the world to him. It's like every other female in his eyes is just shallow in comparison and he doesn't even see them. He simply adores Sakura. Something like twisting her arm when she tried to hit him would be unconscionable to him. It'd hurt him far more than her punch would have. He loves her so much. She's someone irreplaceable to him and in his eyes no one else is like her. And when I realized this I liked Sakura.

 

The main character deserves to be with the person he loves.

 

 

The Irony of the hug, which I won't make any meaning out of is that Naruto does not hug Sakura back. I don't think Hinata's smile interpreted the way you put it works, but isn't inherently wrong either, mind. I think it's very strictly just "Naruto's okay!" smile, Which is really what the hug is, rather than anything romantic. 

Argh, no. She had a panel where she was sobbing with thoughts of "Naruto's okay" The smile was after that, specifically in response to Sakura showing him affection. She was happy to see Naruto achieve a dream of his. And he didn't hug Sakura back because he was so stunned that she would do that.That is ridiculous that you're trying to use the fact he doesn't respond to discredit Naruto's feeling for Sakura? What do you think that Naruto wasn't attracted to Sakura? He didn't want to touch Sakura? Give me a kittening break. If Kishimoto wanted to show that Sakura was glad Naruto was okay, he could have done it so many different ways that didn't imply romance. Ok. Not clicking on these anymore. It's not worth it.


Edited by DrK, 25 October 2017 - 06:35 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 06:35 PM

Argh, no. She had a panel where she was sobbing with thoughts of "Naruto's okay" The smile was after that, specifically in response to Sakura showing him affection. She was happy to see Naruto achieve a dream of his. And he didn't hug Sakura back because he was so stunned that she would do that.That is ridiculous that you're trying to use the fact he doesn't respond to discredit Naruto's feeling for Sakura? What do you think that Naruto wasn't attracted to Sakura? He didn't want to touch Sakura? Give me a kittening break. If Kishimoto wanted to show that Sakura was glad Naruto was okay, he could have done it so many different ways that didn't imply romance. Ok. Not clicking on these anymore. It's not worth it.

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 06:38 PM

i just realized,

 

madara had 3 protegees

 

Nagato = eyes

zetsu = ears

obito = voice

 

mind blown.



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 06:40 PM

i just realized,

 

madara had 3 protegees

 

Nagato = eyes

zetsu = ears

obito = voice

 

mind blown.

 

O_O DUDE.... you're right!! Holy freaking crap, I didn't think about that!!

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 06:46 PM

I am working on new NaruSaku stories as well which they always end up together because that is what the manga was going to end before NH fans wanted Hinata to be, lol I still get bashed and death messages by them saying Hinata is more worthy, but I just pay them no attaention they can act like little children.

 

I am planning to do a Kampfer Naruto crossover lol.

I've loved what few Naruto / Kampfer x-over fanfics I've found were, lol.

 

 

 

I wanna say thank you for your actual responses, guys, instead of deflecting like You-Know-Who. You really both got some good points shining here, and that makes me feel good to hear that my question is being taken seriously since it is something of value for sure.

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No, we don't know who. Is there someone of significance we should know about? Nah, probably nothing.

 

i just realized,

 

madara had 3 protegees

 

Nagato = eyes

zetsu = ears

obito = voice

 

mind blown.

The eyes went "blind", the ears went "deaf", and the voice couldn't stop saying things it shouldn't have.


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 06:52 PM

The hug was just very intimate. The way she's holding him is not after a fashion that two uninvolved friends would do. And it's significant because she's doing it where everyone can see her. She likes Naruto and doesn't care what people will think anymore. In the past she would never have done this. She didn't really like Naruto and she wouldn't want people to think she did. She'd worry about her reputation. But he's her hero and she wanted him to know that. She screamed in desperation for him and he arrived. It was so beautiful. I don't know why he threw it all away


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 06:59 PM

The hug was just very intimate. The way she's holding him is not after a fashion that two uninvolved friends would do. And it's significant because she's doing it where everyone can see her. She likes Naruto and doesn't care what people will think anymore. In the past she would never have done this. She didn't really like Naruto and she wouldn't want people to think she did. She'd worry about her reputation. But he's her hero and she wanted him to know that. She screamed in desperation for him and he arrived. It was so beautiful. I don't know why he threw it all away

You know, you're right. I became a narusaku fan only from that moment.


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 07:00 PM


The eyes went "blind", the ears went "deaf", and the voice couldn't stop saying things it shouldn't have.

more like the ears became a momma's boy


Edited by Catra, 25 October 2017 - 07:01 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 07:08 PM

Is there an option to not know that an ignored user post even exists? It's like I'm being baited into responding by purposely leaving points that are easy to refute.






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