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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:14 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 29 2012, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, you know what's crazy. I talk to Matrix through PM and man oh man, he was hard to talk to. I remember we exchanged a lot of words and I was always calm. It was during the time when they advertised that Naruto, Minato, and Sakura are main characters. He didn't buy it, so I just said, "Let's wait and see."

Now, looking at those conversation, he's in denial. I am disappointed in him calling this movie flop because it was not the direction he was hoping for. Newsflash, we already know this movie is about parental love. NaruSaku happens to be part of the theme. The funny part is that Kishi is the one who wrote this story. Full force. That means this is his intention and how he sees his work. I can't they're saying that the animators are the one that keeping NaruSaku alive. Say what!? If anything, once this war arc ends, there's a high chance that NaruHina will conclude, and then, it will leave to SasuSaku and NaruSaku. There's no NaruHina in the movie either. In fact, Kishi made AU! Hinata asked Sakura on her relationship with Naruto, which shocked her. Too bad AU! Hinata went straight on and attack her with rude comments. There could have been SasuSaku, but the later event destroyed it completely. NaruSaku starts off shaky in the beginning, then as the movie progress, it gotten so much better and ended it powerful, hence all the reviewers gave a thumbs up to Sakura's development. Even TakL acknowledged it and that's saying something.

Bottom line, I just wish people don't need to so delusional. Granted people in here can be one too, but there's a limit and they pass it.


Aru you surprise about Matrix?
Good thing you weren't there after episode 235, that day Matrix did gone crazy worser than the 1st movie spoilers from the pre-premiere.


And about Ichihime, he is a NS fan but he also a dupe, he just keeps trolling all the time, some users wonder if he is mentally stable. But he still funny.

Edited by NS means logic, 30 July 2012 - 12:18 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:18 AM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Jul 29 2012, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aru you surprise about Matrix?
Good thing you weren't there after episode 235, that day Matrix did gone crazy worser than the 1st movie spoilers fron the pre premiere.


I remember running to him on Youtube. Matrix kept claiming that Hinata should be the main heroine of the 6th movie and was in denial over Sakura being a main character. He's such a huge Hinata fanboy it's ridiculous. It's no use even trying to talk some sense into him. Not trying to bash, but how can Matrix be so delusional when it comes NH and NS? facepalm.png Those comments of his basically spelled that out sleep.gif .

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:30 AM

interesting article if one knows japanese

Naruto Film influenced by Back to the Future

among other influences Kishimoto cites Back to the Future as an influence to Road to Ninja especially the going back to meet your parents vibe


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:31 AM

Weren't people on this forum freaking out about potential sasusaku? Now you're all confident in narusaku, what rekindled your hopes and dreams of narusakuness within this very movie? What the hell is going on?!

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:31 AM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Jul 29 2012, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aru you surprise about Matrix?
Good thing you weren't there after episode 235, that day Matrix did gone crazy worser than the 1st movie spoilers from the pre-premiere.


And about Ichihime, he is a NS fan but he also a dupe, he just keeps trolling all the time, some users wonder if he is mentally stable. But he still funny.

Well, this is the only place I can talk freely. So let me express my thoughts.

Matrix, I don't get him. Yes, I am not surprised, but there is a denial in him that it doesn't make sense. The whole NS moments in the movie is made by animators. We all acknowledged that Kishi was in charge for everything, so now he can't back out. He didn't WHEN there were advertisements about possible NaruHina and SasuSaku (for sake to give rid of Naruto's feelings for Sakura). I remember his rant on episode 235. I gave up and never look back. It was the most talked episode and it was filler. Wow, just wow.

Anyway, when the first spoiler released, we were shocked that Konoha 12 were barely in it. It turns out that only Naruto's family were the main focus. He got upset that he keeps saying that the spoiler probably lied or it was a 30 minutes preview. Then, new spoiler, which got us confused (Sasuke's line), shows up and say we were wrong all this time. Then, newer spoilers suggest that Naruto and Sakura's friendship is one of the main focus, which got us incredibly happy. It was like New Year's day. Anyway, then he thinks it was biased view. Sadly, even the blogger review the movie and really think NaruSaku came out very strong. Now, he's all quiet, or at least I think he is. I haven't heard him in a while.

Funny, that Sasuke's line was once a bad thing to us. Some of us may think that, but now, I'm fine. Why? Because it was meant to bash Naruto and he actually got mad about it. Not only that, but it was meant to make Sakura foolish with that comment, because in AU! she found out he never cared for her. And that was the last time we heard from her talking about Sasuke. The rest was all about her risking her life for Naruto and vice versa. In the end, yeah, we came out strong. Stronger than that 2011 OVA.

As for Ichihime, I don't mind him too much, but he can be a little too excited. I do like when he brings stuff that I never see, like those posters, or merchandise. Just wish he will calm down. Oh well.

That's all I can say for them.

@K9ofChaos: Lol. Oh you have no idea. I let someone explain. I'm going to eat dinner now.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 30 July 2012 - 12:32 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE (choco2 @ Jul 29 2012, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you mean this link happy.gif
http://www.narutofor...;postcount=1106


The person talks about how they loved the humor in the movie. The movie is about Naruto and Sakura. Naruto wish about his parents and Sakura's thoughts about her parents get come to life in an extreme way. Naruto and Sakura's feelings are explored and how they get to experience the sort of life each other has and deal with those painful feelings. (so yeah, it's not just Sakura that gets a true understanding for how Naruto feels without parents but Naruto learns some understanding of Sakura's relationship with her parents) Sakura's battle scenes were cool. The reviewer says they liked the last battle scene, even the parts Sakura wasn't in. Sakura is heroic, which the reviewer says is how they think is how she always is. The reviewer thought the scene where Hinata called Sakura "tiny breasted" was hilarious. The reviewer says it is better the to have that scene near the beginning of the movie with a hint of tension between Naruto and Sakura that it's important to the story. (meaning it's important that they both have to start out not understanding the other, and Naruto is just as guilty of not understanding Sakura as Sakura is Naruto.) "Kishimoto is indeed a sensei!" The only thing this reviewer didn't like was the animation was poor in spots, some was beautiful but the bad was worse than TV anime.

So yeah, it's not just Sakura that gets a true understanding for how Naruto feels without parents, but Naruto learns some understanding of Sakura's somewhat troubled relationship with her parents.
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 29 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The person talks about how they loved the humor in the movie. The movie is about Naruto and Sakura. Naruto wish about his parents and Sakura's thoughts about her parents get come to life in an extreme way. Naruto and Sakura's feelings are explored and how they get to experience the sort of life each other has and deal with those painful feelings. (so yeah, it's not just Sakura that gets a true understanding for how Naruto feels without parents but Naruto learns some understanding of Sakura's relationship with her parents) Sakura's battle scenes were cool. The reviewer says they liked the last battle scene, even the parts Sakura wasn't in. Sakura is heroic, which the reviewer says is how they think is how she always is. The reviewer thought the scene where Hinata called Sakura "tiny breasted" was hilarious. The reviewer says it is better the to have that scene near the beginning of the movie with a hint of tension between Naruto and Sakura that it's important to the story. (meaning it's important that they both have to start out not understanding the other, and Naruto is just as guilty of not understanding Sakura as Sakura is Naruto.) "Kishimoto is indeed a sensei!" The only thing this reviewer didn't like was the animation was poor in spots, some was beautiful but the bad was worse than TV anime.

So yeah, it's not just Sakura that gets a true understanding for how Naruto feels without parents, but Naruto learns some understanding of Sakura's somewhat troubled relationship with her parents.

Cool, thanks for that. I highly appreciated it. I love the fact that Naruto, Sakura, Minato, and Kushina were in the final battle against Tobi/Menma. That's one hell of a team. So happy that Kishi did another NaruSaku team fight. Who here wish that Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 renders that and put it in the game. HELL YEAH!

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:59 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 29 2012, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, you know what's crazy. I talk to Matrix through PM and man oh man, he was hard to talk to. I remember we exchanged a lot of words and I was always calm. It was during the time when they advertised that Naruto, Minato, and Sakura are main characters. He didn't buy it, so I just said, "Let's wait and see."

Now, looking at those conversation, he's in denial. I am disappointed in him calling this movie flop because it was not the direction he was hoping for. Newsflash, we already know this movie is about parental love. NaruSaku happens to be part of the theme. The funny part is that Kishi is the one who wrote this story. Full force. That means this is his intention and how he sees his work. I can't they're saying that the animators are the one that keeping NaruSaku alive. Say what!? If anything, once this war arc ends, there's a high chance that NaruHina will conclude, and then, it will leave to SasuSaku and NaruSaku. There's no NaruHina in the movie either. In fact, Kishi made AU! Hinata asked Sakura on her relationship with Naruto, which shocked her. Too bad AU! Hinata went straight on and attack her with rude comments. There could have been SasuSaku, but the later event destroyed it completely. NaruSaku starts off shaky in the beginning, then as the movie progress, it gotten so much better and ended it powerful, hence all the reviewers gave a thumbs up to Sakura's development. Even TakL acknowledged it and that's saying something.

Bottom line, I just wish people don't need to so delusional. Granted people in here can be one too, but there's a limit and they pass it.


I know we're not supposed to care to what fans from other fandoms think but to Matrix I have to roll my eyes rolleyes.gif. He pretends like Sakura isn't a main character he clearly says he's sick of the NS bulls*** (obviously this is the pairing Kishi supports otherwise why he will focus so much in it? rolleyes.gif) Then he says he wants the next movie to be about romance (clearly a movie about NH and SS rolleyes.gif). Then he says the movie it's not canon (even if Kishimoto wrote and directed the movie rolleyes.gif) it may not be consider canon to the manga BUT it reflects his intentions to the themes (especially the NS bond). Then he says he likes the fact that Naruto doesn't want to acknowledge Sakura's love. facepalm.png
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:19 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jul 29 2012, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know we're not supposed to care to what fans from other fandoms think but to Matrix I have to roll my eyes rolleyes.gif. He pretends like Sakura isn't a main character he clearly says he's sick of the NS bulls*** (obviously this is the pairing Kishi supports otherwise why he will focus so much in it? rolleyes.gif) Then he says he wants the next movie to be about romance (clearly a movie about NH and SS rolleyes.gif). Then he says the movie it's not canon (even if Kishimoto wrote and directed the movie rolleyes.gif) it may not be consider canon to the manga BUT it reflects his intentions to the themes (especially the NS bond). Then he says he likes the fact that Naruto doesn't want to acknowledge Sakura's love. facepalm.png

Yeah....No comment.

Not to bash him, but one comment he said that he hoped for AU! Hinata to be in the final battle and Sakura will be hold back by Itachi. Hate to say it (not really), but AU! Hinata has no part of the battle. Also, I think I forgot to tell you guys here, but okay, Itachi takes her safety because Naruto requested it. She then escapes from Itachi and went on to help Naruto to fight Menma. Boy, where did I see that before? Hm....Oh yeah, 4-tailed Kyuubi!

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 30 July 2012 - 01:20 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:21 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 30 2012, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah....No comment.

Not to bash him, but one comment he said that he hoped for AU! Hinata to be in the final battle and Sakura will be hold back by Itachi. Hate to say it (not really), but AU! Hinata has no part of the battle. Also, I think I forgot to tell you guys here, but okay, Itachi takes her safety because Naruto requested it. She then escapes from Itachi and went on to help Naruto to fight Menma. Boy, where did I see that before? Hm....Oh yeah, 4-tailed Kyuubi!


....sakura escapes itachi?.....how does that happen!?

itachi doesnt just let someone go...... >:o....

XD LOL i wanna see how it happened!!!!

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:31 AM

Lol this rolleyes.gif I Have to see

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:32 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jul 30 2012, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know we're not supposed to care to what fans from other fandoms think but to Matrix I have to roll my eyes rolleyes.gif. He pretends like Sakura isn't a main character he clearly says he's sick of the NS bulls*** (obviously this is the pairing Kishi supports otherwise why he will focus so much in it? rolleyes.gif) Then he says he wants the next movie to be about romance (clearly a movie about NH and SS rolleyes.gif). Then he says the movie it's not canon (even if Kishimoto wrote and directed the movie rolleyes.gif) it may not be consider canon to the manga BUT it reflects his intentions to the themes (especially the NS bond). Then he says he likes the fact that Naruto doesn't want to acknowledge Sakura's love. facepalm.png

There is a reason why I remain unattached to the forums for Naruto. There's too much drama going on most of the time that takes away from the actual "discussions" that should be occurring. I only come on this site to discuss the actual manga story most of the time now a days with the lack of Narusaku moments. Most of the arguments have simply been overused and used up. It's tiresome to discuss the fandoms at this point. Of course when something new like an interview comes up or a movie there's always more arguing. I just enjoy the manga and enjoy hearing member's hear coming up with their "Proof".

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:38 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 29 2012, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah....No comment.

Not to bash him, but one comment he said that he hoped for AU! Hinata to be in the final battle and Sakura will be hold back by Itachi. Hate to say it (not really), but AU! Hinata has no part of the battle. Also, I think I forgot to tell you guys here, but okay, Itachi takes her safety because Naruto requested it. She then escapes from Itachi and went on to help Naruto to fight Menma. Boy, where did I see that before? Hm....Oh yeah, 4-tailed Kyuubi!


Wow I didn't know that part, so Kishi really try to give Sakura some spotlight. Now I'm starting to believe that Kishi really wanted to focus more on her character but he is being forced to do something else by the editor to keep fans interest on the Manga. That makes sense he said that he wanted to introduce her pairing but he didn't think fans will be all that exited about them at this time in the story and also said that he wants his editors to acknowledge more.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:38 AM

QUOTE (naruto-z @ Jul 29 2012, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's too much drama going on most of the time that takes away from the actual "discussions" that should be occurring.

Personally, I think it's wise for all fans to take a step back from their shipping views once in a while, to just enjoy the story and try to engage in a little intellectual honesty.

Shipping preferences can blind people to the facts on the page, and motivate them to willfully misinterpret the author's intent. There's no sense in potentially ruining a good story for yourself because you emotionally invest in a pairing to the point that you cannot be rational or objective.

The thing I don't get about the more outspoken NH fans is their intensely Hinata-centric view. They are completely wrapped up in her feelings and desires, while Naruto's feelings are either not mentioned in the equation at all or only secondarily after Hinata's needs are met. And such fans never appear to rationally question why Hinata is so important to them, or how her importance might skew their perception.

The facts are that Hinata is not a main character, she's had very little personal character development and has not fulfilled a useful role in the plot beyond idolizing Naruto (to see this requires the intellectual honesty I was talking about), and Naruto has never acknowledged her as a love interest. To wave away these facts by saying NH will happen because "Naruto is over Sakura" is foolhardy (that's me being kind) because there is zero evidence to support that claim, and actual evidence to the contrary.

What's most amazing to me about some of the RtN responses from Team NH is how inconsistently they apply their "logic." To them, AU!Hinata's insistence that Menma is "her man" proves that NH will be canon. Although... where is the proof that Menma is any more interested in AU!Hinata than Naruto is in either version of her? Even if Menma was into his version of Hinata, how is that relevant to the manga if RtN is a backwards universe? Logically, wouldn't that instead prove that Naruto and Hinata would NEVER be together in the real world?

No matter how you slice the evidence, manga or RtN, Naruto shows no romantic interest in Hinata. Meanwhile, Sakura becomes more and more important to him in important, Real LifeTM ways, woven right into the very fabric of Naruto's life.

So... yeah, the desperation of Team NH hurts my brain. I personally don't like to make risky, emotional investments. My money is on NS because it's the only pairing that makes any sense based on the facts we have received so far.


Edited by KnS, 30 July 2012 - 01:42 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:43 AM

Yes, it is all true about Itachi and Sakura. At first, I was afraid that because of Itachi and her safety, she won't join in the final battle. Shadow and somehow TokyoKit confirmed that Sakura leaves to help Naruto and then engaged in combat. I was so happy to hear that. I will find the post that talks about Itachi very soon. I will edit here.

Edit: Found it. Sort of. Still searching but surprised I miss this:

Does Itachi actually save Sakura and hold her hand?

Itachi was holding her hand because Sakura wanted to fight. So Itachi grabbed her by the hand and jumped when Sasori picked them both up with his gigantor clay dragon.

Edit 2: Found it!

@Shadow

I remember seeing Itachi and Akatsuki protecting Sakura in the opening. That said what happened to them afterward?

nothing happened. Sakura broke away from itachi to fight tobi and then she goes home.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 30 July 2012 - 02:01 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:13 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 29 2012, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cool, thanks for that. I highly appreciated it. I love the fact that Naruto, Sakura, Minato, and Kushina were in the final battle against Tobi/Menma. That's one hell of a team. So happy that Kishi did another NaruSaku team fight. Who here wish that Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 renders that and put it in the game. HELL YEAH!


You're welcome, I enjoyed that review, first one I've seen that truly comprehended that it was about both Naruto and Sakura equally misunderstanding each other in the beginning and both coming to some understanding of what each other deals with inside when it comes to their parental figures. That's why it ends with Sakura with her parents and Naruto with Iruka (who is the closest Naruto actually had to a father like figure when he was in the Academy). Sakura realizes that despite her difficulties with her parents, they love her and her life would be far more painful emotionally without them. Haven't seen so much in the summaries that shows Naruto taking what he learned from living a life more like Sakura's (although with a much more warmhearted mother, and he acts far worse to his parents than Sakura does hers when he is in the genjutsu world) except he does finally thank them in the end, but I want to know how much he applies this to making it up to Iruka. (especially when from what it sounds like in the summaries that despite his bad behavior earlier Iruka throws him a party.)


QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 29 2012, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, I think I forgot to tell you guys here, but okay, Itachi takes her safety because Naruto requested it. She then escapes from Itachi and went on to help Naruto to fight Menma. Boy, where did I see that before? Hm....Oh yeah, 4-tailed Kyuubi!


Ah, I begin to see even more why that Japanese reviewer really liked the last battle. Heroic Sakura indeed. smile.gif



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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:29 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 29 2012, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're welcome, I enjoyed that review, first one I've seen that truly comprehended that it was about both Naruto and Sakura equally misunderstanding each other in the beginning and both coming to some understanding of what each other deals with inside when it comes to their parental figures. That's why it ends with Sakura with her parents and Naruto with Iruka (who is the closest Naruto actually had to a father like figure when he was in the Academy). Sakura realizes that despite her difficulties with her parents, they love her and her life would be far more painful emotionally without them. Haven't seen so much in the summaries that shows Naruto taking what he learned from living a life more like Sakura's (although with a much more warmhearted mother, and he acts far worse to his parents than Sakura does hers when he is in the genjutsu world) except he does finally thank them in the end, but I want to know how much he applies this to making it up to Iruka. (especially when from what it sounds like in the summaries that despite his bad behavior earlier Iruka throws him a party.)




Ah, I begin to see even more why that Japanese reviewer really liked the last battle. Heroic Sakura indeed. smile.gif

Highly agreed.

Btw, for people who was wondering about Itachi and Sakura "bridal hold," well he only grabs her hand. At least according to Shadow.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 30 July 2012 - 03:31 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:52 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 29 2012, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How nice:

http://www.narutofor...p;postcount=746

He said Sakura did a good job in bringing Naruto back to reality. So yeah, Naruto did choose her over family.

I'm absolutely loving that Sakura is the bond that Kishi chose to ground Naruto back to reality; its even better that this is coming from a non-NS fan, because then you know for sure its legit.

This kind of stuff is why I love NaruSaku.
QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 29 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The person talks about how they loved the humor in the movie. The movie is about Naruto and Sakura. Naruto wish about his parents and Sakura's thoughts about her parents get come to life in an extreme way. Naruto and Sakura's feelings are explored and how they get to experience the sort of life each other has and deal with those painful feelings. (so yeah, it's not just Sakura that gets a true understanding for how Naruto feels without parents but Naruto learns some understanding of Sakura's relationship with her parents) Sakura's battle scenes were cool. The reviewer says they liked the last battle scene, even the parts Sakura wasn't in. Sakura is heroic, which the reviewer says is how they think is how she always is. The reviewer thought the scene where Hinata called Sakura "tiny breasted" was hilarious. The reviewer says it is better the to have that scene near the beginning of the movie with a hint of tension between Naruto and Sakura that it's important to the story. (meaning it's important that they both have to start out not understanding the other, and Naruto is just as guilty of not understanding Sakura as Sakura is Naruto.) "Kishimoto is indeed a sensei!" The only thing this reviewer didn't like was the animation was poor in spots, some was beautiful but the bad was worse than TV anime.

So yeah, it's not just Sakura that gets a true understanding for how Naruto feels without parents, but Naruto learns some understanding of Sakura's somewhat troubled relationship with her parents.

This is another reason why Naruto and Sakura's bond appeals so much to me -- mutuality. They've not always been in synch, but the emotions and gestures from one side are always eventually reflected in the other. It wasn't just Naruto saving Sakura -- it was Sakura saving Naruto too (actually, there might be more of the latter than the former -- Naruto saves her physically, while Sakura not only helps him physically in the battle, she also helps him emotionally here by bringing him back to reality -- which is a reflection of all the times Naruto was there for her before such as the POAL). It wasn't just Sakura learning a lesson, it was Naruto as well. They essentially walked a mile in each other's shoes, and came out stronger for it.

I'm really glad that Kishimoto translated this aspect of their relationship into the movie.

Also, YES FOR HEROIC SAKURA!!!

Thanks again for translating ciardha!
QUOTE (KnS @ Jul 29 2012, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The thing I don't get about the more outspoken NH fans is their intensely Hinata-centric view. They are completely wrapped up in her feelings and desires, while Naruto's feelings are either not mentioned in the equation at all or only secondarily after Hinata's needs are met. And such fans never appear to rationally question why Hinata is so important to them, or how her importance might skew their perception.

The facts are that Hinata is not a main character, she's had very little personal character development and has not fulfilled a useful role in the plot beyond idolizing Naruto (to see this requires the intellectual honesty I was talking about), and Naruto has never acknowledged her as a love interest. To wave away these facts by saying NH will happen because "Naruto is over Sakura" is foolhardy (that's me being kind) because there is zero evidence to support that claim, and actual evidence to the contrary.

What's most amazing to me about some of the RtN responses from Team NH is how inconsistently they apply their "logic." To them, AU!Hinata's insistence that Menma is "her man" proves that NH will be canon. Although... where is the proof that Menma is any more interested in AU!Hinata than Naruto is in either version of her? Even if Menma was into his version of Hinata, how is that relevant to the manga if RtN is a backwards universe? Logically, wouldn't that instead prove that Naruto and Hinata would NEVER be together in the real world?

No matter how you slice the evidence, manga or RtN, Naruto shows no romantic interest in Hinata. Meanwhile, Sakura becomes more and more important to him in important, Real LifeTM ways, woven right into the very fabric of Naruto's life.

I completely agree -- it is absolutely ludicrous how many fans give so much weight and importance to Hinata's wants and desires ("But there would be no point in making Hinata so confident in holding Naruto's hand if he's just gonna turn her turn!" "She's struggled so hard and changed herself for him! What was the point of all that if she doesn't get together with him?") and simultaneously completely brush aside the main character's wants and desires ("lol Nardo's feelings for Sakura were never serious, just a kiddy crush that he got over", "eye reading moment -- he totally is showing reciprocation in her!", "her placement closer up front in group panels means she's closer in Naruto's hear than she was before!").

Honestly. It is the simple fact of the matter that the main character is more important than secondary characters with little to no influence on the actual plot. Flowing from that is the truth that the wants and desires of a main character are more important than the wants and desires of a secondary character.

Sakura has actually shown reciprocal non-platonic interest in Naruto on multiple occasions. Naruto has never shown any non-platonic interest in Hinata.

Logic is apparently a stranger to many a shipper.

Edited by Paptala, 30 July 2012 - 03:54 AM.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:56 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 30 2012, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're welcome, I enjoyed that review, first one I've seen that truly comprehended that it was about both Naruto and Sakura equally misunderstanding each other in the beginning and both coming to some understanding of what each other deals with inside when it comes to their parental figures. That's why it ends with Sakura with her parents and Naruto with Iruka (who is the closest Naruto actually had to a father like figure when he was in the Academy). Sakura realizes that despite her difficulties with her parents, they love her and her life would be far more painful emotionally without them. Haven't seen so much in the summaries that shows Naruto taking what he learned from living a life more like Sakura's (although with a much more warmhearted mother, and he acts far worse to his parents than Sakura does hers when he is in the genjutsu world) except he does finally thank them in the end, but I want to know how much he applies this to making it up to Iruka. (especially when from what it sounds like in the summaries that despite his bad behavior earlier Iruka throws him a party.)




Ah, I begin to see even more why that Japanese reviewer really liked the last battle. Heroic Sakura indeed. smile.gif



From the reviews, all I can see is that this movie mirror images the development between the two. Think about it.

Sakura started annoyed at her parents, a Sasuke fangirl, and unacknowledged of Naruto's feelings. [the way she was in the very beginning of part 1 before she started to blossom in latter chapters.] By the end of the movie she hugs her parents, realizes that the Sasuke fantasy is just a fantasy, and she acknowledges Naruto's feelings by being in his shoes. Also that scene where she wants to go visit Naruto because she feels lonely...is a huge NS fanservise...why wouldn't she visit her girl companion Ino, why choose Naruto of all people? This should be looked at and debated. Anyways my point is, the movie just basically explains the development of Naruto and Sakura throughout the entirety of the manga.

Also this movie could bring the closing debate for the shipping wars, and I think the main reason this movie gives so much for the NS fanservice is because, for all we know we might soon get our canon moment in the manga.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 04:35 AM

I do think Kishimoto made the focus so intensely on Naruto and Sakura- and made a big point of showing how much Sakura does and cares for Naruto because he does want to wrap up the romance storyline as soon as he can find a good spot to fully bring Naruto and Sakura together as a couple in the manga.
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