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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Actually, I don't even have a problem with NaruHina - just the fanbase...

 

Some time ago, as I was commenting on AMV's about NaruSaku, there were a bunch of NaruHina - fans who could not keep it together, they totally lost it and kept bashing Sakura.

I don't remember ever going intentionally on NaruHina Amv's for hating. ?

As I wasted my time asking them why they would spread so much hate, they would just insult me without any reason.

I am new to this debate, so...what's going on? I don't recall any other fandom that is so disrespectful towards it's ships.

Is it so hard to accept other peoples opinions? Or is it so painful to accept the thruth behind NaruSaku?

 

Welcome to the fam, Kasimir :)

 

And yeah, I don't got a real problem with NaruHina, but in the long run, I woulda enjoyed it more if it ACTUALLY had what NaruSaku has; a lot of development to make it make sense instead of just rushing it for the sake of appealing to a small base of fans.

[VanitasDS76491]

Honestly, I stopped being a Spider-Man comic fan in 2007 when the One More Day storyline came out. I've read some issues online using a certain website, but all in all, I'm not too pleased with what has been done with the character (outside of elseworld equivalents like Renew Your Vows). Speaking of One More Day, is it just me or does it parallel extremely well to the Naruto ending when you really sit down and think about it?

Actually a one more day storyline could work better in Naruto than spiderman and Naruto would sell his marriage to hinata to satan and I'd read that.

[winter-serenade]

I’m still confused about why Naruto couldn’t attend his daughter’s whole birthday in PERSON. Think about it. He has an extreme amount of chakra, why couldn’t he summon two, three, or four shadow clones to do paperwork. Hell, even ten. However many it takes to finish the paperwork via a step by step process.

One could read the papers.

The other could stamp them.

Another could sign them.

And another could do whatever else.

Shikamaru would definitely understand why he has to do it. “I’m sorry I can’t be there, Shikamaru. My daughter’s birthday is today, so can I be excused this once?” He’d excuse him no doubt about it. He’d probably be too lazy to even argue about it.

And it angers me even more that Hinata barely even speaks up about this. She’s so compliant with it. I hate Boruto, but even I have to agree that what Naruto did was a terrible thing to do. There’s no excuse.

I feel like Sakura wouldn’t take that kind of stuff. Not at all.

[winter-serenade]

 

Honestly, I feel for Naruto here, because paper work doesn't really work like this, you have to process in that reading, and it's not always signing and stamping, sometimes action is required to be taken outside of those. In criticism, it could be detailed further, elaborated on the extent on why he chose to do it in the way he did it. On the Shikamaru part, I'd argue that Shikamaru would make the suggestion, given his thoughtful suggestions later on. 
 
I also don't really see why Hinata should, narratively or even theoretically, speak up.. Naruto -tried-. Narratively I get it, because this is Boruto's story, not Naruto, and if there was no conflict, then you'd have no chronic tension, which would really weaken your story. As thus Hinata defends Naruto, and I understand -why- she does. I also think Sakura would also defend Naruto here.
 
I don't think it really matters who Naruto is with in this example. He's an over-worked Hokage, and it's implied before that the eldest son spent a ton of time with his father and now he doesn't. There's a high chance pretty much anyone, relating to this personally, would feel some shade of what Boruto is going through, even if it isn't quite the dramatic example the movie makes it out to be. Naruto's job is comparable at most to the President. It's difficult as a spouse to criticize them trying to take care of the entire village as leader, particularly when they are making an attempt. 
 
My own father could not make Christmas everytime because the military required him otherwise, and if he was about to get home he could get called back any moment. Honestly it would have been nice if he could have sent some aspect of himself.  Birthdays were missed because of it, and on planned family vacations, sometimes he had to stay behind. This, I consider, a lesser extent to what Naruto handles, given his responsibility is even greater. So I -get- Naruto's position, and too would defend his circumstances. Thus it's a good, plausible conflict for Kishimoto to work with, given I believe he too can relate to it. I think as fathers it is a painful price, because I strongly believe if he could, he -would- send a shadow clone to those occasions to share it with him.
 
But that's my own thoughts, kind of based of having the same circumstances occur to myself.

The thing is, there was no other solution for your father. He was by no means, in the wrong. He can’t make shadow clones.

However, Naruto can. And once Naruto finishes celebrating Himawari’s birthday, the Shadow Clones can relay the information they cpgot to him. In fact, I think once they disperse, their memory transfers to him. So like I said. There’s no excuse.

[Shadow Wolf]

The thing is, there was no other solution for your father. He was by no means, in the wrong. He cant make shadow clones.

However, Naruto can. And once Naruto finishes celebrating Himawaris birthday, the Shadow Clones can relay the information they cpgot to him. In fact, I think once they disperse, their memory transfers to him. So like I said. Theres no excuse.

And in the end, Naruto would not even need a full day to go to his daughter's birthday. Take the afternoon off and dedicate the evening to them. You can't say that paperwork can't wait half-a-day so that you can be with your family on an important date, especially when the way that you take care of your family defines how good of a leader you can be.

Plus if a President of a country can take time off to play Golf, a Hokage (which is basically the governor of a village, and not of the whole world), can take time off for something more important than golf.

[ThroughWithLove]

I’m still confused about why Naruto couldn’t attend his daughter’s whole birthday in PERSON. Think about it. He has an extreme amount of chakra, why couldn’t he summon two, three, or four shadow clones to do paperwork. Hell, even ten. However many it takes to finish the paperwork via a step by step process.

One could read the papers.

The other could stamp them.

Another could sign them.

And another could do whatever else.

Shikamaru would definitely understand why he has to do it. “I’m sorry I can’t be there, Shikamaru. My daughter’s birthday is today, so can I be excused this once?” He’d excuse him no doubt about it. He’d probably be too lazy to even argue about it.

And it angers me even more that Hinata barely even speaks up about this. She’s so compliant with it. I hate Boruto, but even I have to agree that what Naruto did was a terrible thing to do. There’s no excuse.

I feel like Sakura wouldn’t take that kind of stuff. Not at all.

 

I'm reminded of disastarous attempt Marvel comics had tried when the world trade center had been blown up by terrorist back in 2001. They decided to publish this comic:

 

 

Which was frankly quite laughable. Anyone familiar with these villains know they've done far far far FAR FAR worse than anything that happened to the world trade center. So to see them mourning here is completely ridiculous. As is any notion that the heroes would NOT be offended by such a sight.

 

In Naruto's case, we get something similar. Kishimoto wants to parallel his life to Naruto's, so he decides to use the most contrived writing to make it to where Naruto, a man who can be in over a thousand places at once and has the means of processing years of information in merely a few hours, also doesn't have time for his writing. And frankly, it's silly and lazy and one of many signs of the author being out of touch with the character he created so many years ago. Whether it was having him obsess over Sasuke or having him partake in all of that destiny mumbo jumbo, there came a point where Kishimoto simply lost sight of the core essence what made the title character who he was and what made him so popular with readers of all ages in the first place.

 

Actually a one more day storyline could work better in Naruto than spiderman and Naruto would sell his marriage to hinata to satan and I'd read that.

 

I could see the current Naruto doing something like that . .. to bring Sasuke back to life if it came down to it. Easiest Faustian bargain ever made.

 

Okay, but Kishimoto didn't want NS. So why would I talk about what he could have done better? 

 

Um . . . because you allege to want it? Because you allege to have wished it to have happened?  Subjective, aesthetic, whatever, who cares about any of that? This is an NS site and therefore the perfect place to have such a conversation with like-minded people. I rest my case.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 14 October 2017 - 07:38 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

Unfortunately, easy answer! It's all about that juicy cash...

 

Ironically, it backfired overall. While still making money, it's nowhere near any sort of blockbuster amounts like "Naruto" used to be up to the Pein Arc.

After the ending, and especially when the true contents of The Last were revealed, anime viewership plummeted, manga sales plummeted, merchandise gathered so much dust that they had to be taken down, and it's no longer near the top of any polls.

[Kasimir38]

 

Welcome to the fam, Kasimir :)

 

And yeah, I don't got a real problem with NaruHina, but in the long run, I woulda enjoyed it more if it ACTUALLY had what NaruSaku has; a lot of development to make it make sense instead of just rushing it for the sake of appealing to a small base of fans.

 

Thank you for the welcome :)
And I feel you...

 

 

I also don't really see why Hinata should, narratively or even theoretically, speak up.. Naruto -tried-. Narratively I get it, because this is Boruto's story, not Naruto, and if there was no conflict, then you'd have no chronic tension, which would really weaken your story. As thus Hinata defends Naruto, and I understand -why- she does. I also think Sakura would also defend Naruto here.

 

I don't think it really matters who Naruto is with in this example. He's an over-worked Hokage, and it's implied before that the eldest son spent a ton of time with his father and now he doesn't. There's a high chance pretty much anyone, relating to this personally, would feel some shade of what Boruto is going through, even if it isn't quite the dramatic example the movie makes it out to be. Naruto's job is comparable at most to the President. It's difficult as a spouse to criticize them trying to take care of the entire village as leader, particularly when they are making an attempt. 

 

My own father could not make Christmas everytime because the military required him otherwise, and if he was about to get home he could get called back any moment. Honestly it would have been nice if he could have sent some aspect of himself.  Birthdays were missed because of it, and on planned family vacations, sometimes he had to stay behind. This, I consider, a lesser extent to what Naruto handles, given his responsibility is even greater. So I -get- Naruto's position, and too would defend his circumstances. Thus it's a good, plausible conflict for Kishimoto to work with, given I believe he too can relate to it. I think as fathers it is a painful price, because I strongly believe if he could, he -would- send a shadow clone to those occasions to share it with him.

 

But that's my own thoughts, kind of based of having the same circumstances occur to myself. 

 

 

Even though I get what you mean, I don't agree with the Sakura point here. She would probably defend him in this situation, but later on, have a talk with him about what happened as she often speaks her mind. On contrary, Hinatas mindset is different, as being kind and lenient is part of her characteristics. Not being understanding would be ooc for her.

 

My thoughts always were Naruto being some kind of mayor since Konoha isn't very big, is it? But yes, he has much work to do and there is much responsibility on his shoulders. And that includes not having time for his children.- even though not attending his own daughters birthday is very Naruto - unlike. I am sorry offending your theory, but I think Hinata has a major role in this, since Naruto distancing himself from his children is kind of related to her understanding attitude. Everyone thinks different about things like that, but my opinion is that ignorance is not always bliss. All in all, Naruto hasn't  shown himself from his most fatherly side, and I recall the way he treated his own son in the arena. Would he be a better father with Sakura by his side? I don't know, there are two possibilities: Either, she would be as understanding and lenient as Hinata, or she would have a talk with him. I always pictured her to become very angry and rush to his Hokage office, smashing the door open, yelling: NARUTOOOO

Just kidding, but she is obviously more spirited than Hinata. Even though she is more mature now, keeping a low profile about things that bother her is also ooc.

[My Living Curse]

Ironically, it backfired overall. While still making money, it's nowhere near any sort of blockbuster amounts like "Naruto" used to be up to the Pein Arc.

After the ending, and especially when the true contents of The Last were revealed, anime viewership plummeted, manga sales plummeted, merchandise gathered so much dust that they had to be taken down, and it's no longer near the top of any polls.

 

Yea I know that's what I'm implying. (The gif was meant to be sarcastic btw) But they didn't care if they'd ruin the story or mess up plot consistency. All that matters is any extra cash, no matter how little, they can keep milking out of the series. And judging by the current fanbase on various websites and youtube, they're still raking it in from these type of folks. It's just sad, but that's all that matters in this franchise nowadays. 

 

Thank you for the welcome :)

And I feel you...

 

Hiya there, and welcome! 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

That's not how it works. 
 
I'm being truthful in my remarks, not bashful. There's nothing -wrong- with NS, nothing wrong with wanting them to be canon -even- if the development hints of it not happening are there. Absolutely nothing wrong with recognizing what the story is, but still going out and reading fan-fics where the pairing did happen, and the like. 
 
I'm not sure if you know what hypocrisy means here? It's an odd word choice, given I -have- discussed it, albeit limitedly, because most discussion here tends to one way or another often employ post-ad-hoc reasoning to grumble at the work with false information, so I spend more time putting forward the truth. I.E., perhaps my actions are more because of what is discussed, and my posting my thoughts on it.

Okay, let's do such thing, you agree that you don't know how it works, and you don't know what retcon is, or even more, you know, but don't want to admit it, that's ridiculous. Please, restrict yourself from calling your opinion "truth" when it's merely your own opinion, with that you just calling people here "liars", so can you stop with that bs, ok? Thanks.
 
About being pro-ender, well, congrats on that, happy that you like it. With your "critical thinking" it suits you (that's a sarcasm, don't take it literally). Why people here must be obligated to like it? You can take your own suggestion and go to site where more people will agree on your "truth" :)
 
I put it simple, call yourself NS fan, or whatever you want. But please don't refer to "we" with people in here, as something tells me from what I saw, nobody in here, has the same opinion about NS, would that be to much for you?

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 14 October 2017 - 09:18 PM.

[winter-serenade]

I did some research on infatuation vs. love, and I really like these points. Naruto’s love for Sakura really checks out for most, if not all of the points on the “love” side of things.

https://acoarecovery.../sex-vs-r-a.png

http://clickspay.ru/...infographic.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/ww...atuation4-2.jpg

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I did some research on infatuation vs. love, and I really like these points. Naruto’s love for Sakura really checks out for most, if not all of the points on the “love” side of things.

https://acoarecovery.../sex-vs-r-a.png

http://clickspay.ru/...infographic.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/ww...atuation4-2.jpg

And that won't work.

[My Living Curse]

Okay, let's do such thing, you agree that you don't know how it works, and you don't know what retcon is, or even more, you know, but don't want to admit it, that's ridiculous. Please, restrict yourself from calling your opinion "truth" when it's merely your own opinion, with that you just calling people here "liars", so can you stop with that bs, ok? Thanks.
 
About being pro-ender, well, congrats on that, happy that you like it. With your "critical thinking" it suits you (that's a sarcasm, don't take it literally). Why people here must be obligated to like it? You can take your own suggestion and go to site where more people will agree on your "truth" :)
 
I put it simple, call yourself NS fan, or whatever you want. But please don't refer to "we" with people in here, as something tells me from what I saw, nobody in here, has the same opinion about NS, would that be to much for you?

 

I made a response to her "tactics" about a month ago. Here's the same bit from Sept.

 

"The reason she joined was just to constantly debate and disagree on anything we say. Whatever we might say or present she has a method of going on about it.

 

1) She reads it all, analyzes (get it?) and looks for anything she can pick out of it to choose to write her rebuttal.

 

2) If she cannot do so then she will create a response perpendicular to the theme of each thread/comment and expand on that.

 

3) If she also fails to do that then she will try to change the topic completely and try to derail it with an entirely different thesis."

 

It's a game (and a quite unhealthy one at that). And no amount of fancy grammatical and sentence structure will hide that. Not a single thing she's posted has shown the slightest bit of NS. 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

I made a response to her "tactics" about a month ago. Here's the same bit from Sept.

 

"The reason she joined was just to constantly debate and disagree on anything we say. Whatever we might say or present she has a method of going on about it.

 

1) She reads it all, analyzes (get it?) and looks for anything she can pick out of it to choose to write her rebuttal.

 

2) If she cannot do so then she will create a response perpendicular to the theme of each thread/comment and expand on that.

 

3) If she also fails to do that then she will try to change the topic completely and try to derail it with an entirely different thesis."

 

It's a game (and a quite unhealthy one at that). And no amount of fancy grammatical and sentence structure will hide that. Not a single thing she's posted has shown the slightest bit of NS. 

I know that, topics she can't do clearly with are ignored wholeheartly. If it looks like I'm "debating" on anything, I'm just cutting bs to minimum, giving it straight, without mixing or twisting up. Well, we still feed a troll.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 14 October 2017 - 11:09 PM.

[ThroughWithLove]

I made a response to her "tactics" about a month ago. Here's the same bit from Sept.
 
"The reason she joined was just to constantly debate and disagree on anything we say. Whatever we might say or present she has a method of going on about it.
 
1) She reads it all, analyzes (get it?) and looks for anything she can pick out of it to choose to write her rebuttal.
 
2) If she cannot do so then she will create a response perpendicular to the theme of each thread/comment and expand on that.
 
3) If she also fails to do that then she will try to change the topic completely and try to derail it with an entirely different thesis."
 
It's a game (and a quite unhealthy one at that). And no amount of fancy grammatical and sentence structure will hide that. Not a single thing she's posted has shown the slightest bit of NS. 

lol, you have it down to a science.

[winter-serenade]

Alright, alright. Let’s keep the topic on NaruSaku, from now on. We’re getting too riled up about one single person.

[Shadow Wolf]

Alright, alright. Lets keep the topic on NaruSaku, from now on. Were getting too riled up about one single person.

Hai!! :)

Anyway, Now that we're on topic: What would you like to see in the Uzumaki-Haruno family? Elaborate on anything you want, such as house, family members, everyday life, jobs... Anything, really?

I'll start talking about it in my next post.

[TheFirstEvil100]

lol, you have it down to a science.

That is true me I don't want to waste my time with her when I could be doing better thing like my fanfiction stories which Naruto and Sakura do get together I have a few right now

 

Pokemon Ninja Trainers

 

Sakura's cursed Mark

 

Team 7 the Ki wielding ninjas

 

True only three but all three have NaruSaku in it.

[VanitasDS76491]

I'm reminded of disastarous attempt Marvel comics had tried when the world trade center had been blown up by terrorist back in 2001. They decided to publish this comic:
 

 
Which was frankly quite laughable. Anyone familiar with these villains know they've done far far far FAR FAR worse than anything that happened to the world trade center. So to see them mourning here is completely ridiculous. As is any notion that the heroes would NOT be offended by such a sight.
 
In Naruto's case, we get something similar. Kishimoto wants to parallel his life to Naruto's, so he decides to use the most contrived writing to make it to where Naruto, a man who can be in over a thousand places at once and has the means of processing years of information in merely a few hours, also doesn't have time for his writing. And frankly, it's silly and lazy and one of many signs of the author being out of touch with the character he created so many years ago. Whether it was having him obsess over Sasuke or having him partake in all of that destiny mumbo jumbo, there came a point where Kishimoto simply lost sight of the core essence what made the title character who he was and what made him so popular with readers of all ages in the first place.
 

 
I could see the current Naruto doing something like that . .. to bring Sasuke back to life if it came down to it. Easiest Faustian bargain ever made.
 

 
Um . . . because you allege to want it? Because you allege to have wished it to have happened?  Subjective, aesthetic, whatever, who cares about any of that? This is an NS site and therefore the perfect place to have such a conversation with like-minded people. I rest my case.

  
It doesn't even need to be sasuke to be dying he do it for anyone like tsunade or sakura. But what I would laugh at is naruto being more of a man child then Peter in that story and he'd sell his marriage without a second thought and hinata would say nothing like usual.

That is true me I don't want to waste my time with her when I could be doing better thing like my fanfiction stories which Naruto and Sakura do get together I have a few right now
 
Pokemon Ninja Trainers
 
Sakura's cursed Mark
 
Team 7 the Ki wielding ninjas
 
True only three but all three have NaruSaku in it.

Yes all three are Good can't wait to see dark sakura vs naruto, Sakura and goku's return, and the new chunin exams with sayian sakura and powered up naruto. Mainly cause hinata will get bashed hard. BUT you have more stories in the works with narusaku.

Edited by VanitasDS76491, 14 October 2017 - 11:54 PM.

[ThroughWithLove]

Hai!! :)

Anyway, Now that we're on topic: What would you like to see in the Uzumaki-Haruno family? Elaborate on anything you want, such as house, family members, everyday life, jobs... Anything, really?

I'll start talking about it in my next post.

 

Off the top of my head!

 

Family Members: Naruto, Sakura and Shinachiku (son)

 

House: They live in the Hokage mansion . . . because that's where the Hokage is supposed to live!  With some renovations here and there, the first floor is where all of the administrative work is done and the upper floors have been remodeled to be more residential like, albeit with the luxury the hokage is entitled. Included in the residential area are one master bedroom, one expansive kitchen, a family room, a dining room, a study, a nigh indestructible dojo, a lab for Sakura as she continues to tinker on medical ninjutsu, one children's bedroom and three guest rooms. 

 

Everyday Life: 

 

-Naruto: With 1000 shadowclones active at all times, he is the most efficient Hokage the village has ever had. The first floor of the Hokage mansion is entirely ran by Shikamaru, Sakura and shadowclones, shadowclones are constantly monitoring the borders of the Land of Fire in secret, Shadowclones are constantly on diplomatic missions and at least one shadowclone plays a role in all S rank missions. Meanwhile, the real Naruto spends his mornings touring the village and making certain that all is well for all the villagers. He does this until about 3 o'clock everyday, at which point he heads home to his family for rest and relaxation.

 

-Sakura: Sakura assists in running the administrative parts of the Hokage's office (mainly because she is able to keep her husband in line a lot better than Shikamaru), but also works as the head of the newly established Konoha medical ninja department. Since becoming Hokage, Naruto has greatly reformed the Ninja academy and at least one medical ninja is now required to be placed on every 3 man team of genins. As the head of the medical ninja department, Sakura acts as both a instructor and a researcher and constantly working to make breakthroughs in her field. Like her husband, she too works until about 3 o'clock every day, at which point she heads home to her family for rest and relaxation.

 

-Shinachiku: My idea of Shinachiku is a Joseph Joestar like character. Hot headed, arrogant and flamboyant, immensely cunning and a good heart underneath it all. The hot headedness and intelligence comes from Sakura obviously whereas the arrogance, flamboyance and good heartedness comes from Naruto to a certain extent. Medical ninjutsu was vastly underused in the original, so I'd make Shinachiku a medical ninja like his mother, only more fleshed out when it comes to abilities. Nothing OP, but stuff that warrants a lot more fight creativity (the kind we frequently got in part 1). Like his parents, he heads back home at 3 o'clock for rest and relaxation.