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Posted 20 March 2010 - 06:41 PM

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SS & NH are in denial and are contend with that. Then you are got some that are in the fear stage as they are having a panic attack & quickly trying to bash us with useless material. Next is the rare minority which is self-pity stage. These are depress and depending how far they are may have stop reading the manga altogether. Finally are the special rarity which is acceptance, forth they have come to accept that their pairing is no more & NS is mostly likely to be canon so they find comfort in fanfics.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 07:02 PM

Its clear that Sakura will back off a bit since its clear that Naruto will handle Sasuke himself alone. I know its sad as we all were expected an neo-sannin battle between the 3 of them but Kishi might not allow that. As much disappointed we are with Sakura, you all forget one important factor. That Kishi is a guy!

Usually male authors don't perceive their female characters as good as the males and in fact they sometimes don't know what to do with them so the women end up on the sidelines. If you look to DBZ, Yuyu Hasksho, & even some American & British novels have this complex. Very few male authors can overcome this issue and provide damn good female characters who make an difference and is a force to be reckon with like Inuyasha for example.

Female authors don't have problem as you see they are able to have stand up male M.C. with an damn good female lead and vice versa. Harry Potter is good example as of that.

Trust me guys it up to the writer but also whom writing. If Kishi was a girl, Sakura would have done so much more and would be equal scale of importance as Naruto & Sasuke. Also we would have stronger kunochi who will play a better role and more so impact onto Naruto & the ninja world.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 07:28 PM

Hmm, Kishimoto needs to ask the Mrs. about how girls act xD

I do think he'll try to make Sakura a better character unless he goes back on his promise.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Jenskott @ Mar 20 2010, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really don't want getting entangled in a debate
This is a debate thread. Knock yourself out. The way I see it: If I'm wrong, you can help me out; If you're wrong, I can help you out.

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I really don't want getting entangled in a debate



This is a debate thread. Knock yourself out. The way I see it: If I'm wrong, you can help me out; If you're wrong, I can help you out.

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No. In that paragraph Mizura was stating his relationship was growing and strengthening. It doesn't undermine the essay at all because she was making a case for the NaruSaku being a GOOD match, not for it being already canon, and for it being a DEVELOPING romance. Stating their relationship is growing and strengthening, even if they aren't yet together, helps to prove that point of view.



Well in that case, arguing in favor of it being a good POTENTIAL match is fine; nothing wrong with that. Though as for being a DEVELOPING romance on the other hand, that's exactly what I was countering in my initial post. In spite of each of the moments they have shared and we have jumped for joy over throughout this manga, there has never been anything to even remotely suggest that their relationship as being a DEVELOPING romance. A developing friendship? Sure. But a developing romance simply has no support as of yet (likely based on the reasons I've already stated). If you feel otherwise, then by all means, provide evidence.

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She wasn't telling they were already together, nor their relationship wasn't or wasn't becoming romantic. She was telling their relationship -and their common affection- was growing and becoming something stronger (in case Naruto, a more mature love; in Sakura's care, love).



In the context you're putting it though, that is saying that their relationship is becoming romantic, even if only indirectly.

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1 ) There are NOT a great deal of fans whose interest in the series revolves around pairings. Don't let the online fandom blind you. The most of Naruto fans don't log in boards or care about pairings. And the most of the shippers wouldn't stop reading the series if one pairing they don't like becomes canon. The obsessed "I will quit the series if A and B don't get together" shippers are a very tiny percentage (but very loud. And their loudness can deceive about their numbers)- of Naruto fandom, and the most of them don't purchase the manga (they read it ilegally).


I'm gonna have to disagree. There are a great deal of fans interested in the various potential romances. Not just in Naruto, but in series as meager as Fire Emblem (where the creator ended up officiating a yaoi pairing on the basis of fan craze). I don't base my knowledge of the fanbase merely on what I've seen or read up on in America. If the interest in pairings were as meager as you're implying, there'd be no point to "keeping fans guessing" in terms of which pairing would happen (hence nods to NaruSaku, NaruHina or SasuSaku). This is something which probably would have been resolved a long time ago. Not to mention him getting asked who was going to end up with who wouldn't be a common fan question.



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2 ) The romance isn't crucial to the plot. However, Kishimoto has kept the steady growing and development of Naruto/Sakura's relationship throughout the entire manga, and he has spent a hell of time and scenes developing it. He didn't need drawing Naruto revealing Sakura he was a jinchuuriki, yet he did (whereas he didn't draw Naruto revealing it to another people. And yes, Temari and Kakashi were there, but he knew Kakashi knew, and he was talking to Sakura specifically). He didn't need drawing Sakura gripping her chest when Naruto had became a four-tailed fox, but he did. He didn't need drawing Yamato hinting on Sakura's feelings, but he did. He didn't need drawing Sakura willing feeding Naruto with a sultry grin, but he did. He didn't need drawing Naruto blushing when she tried that and complaining because other people had ruined the moment, but he did. He didn't need drawing Sakura hugging Naruto in front of the entire town, but he did. He didn't need drawing Sai restating Naruto's feelings, but he did. He didn't need drawing Sai explaining it to Sakura, but he did. He didn't need drawing Sakura's confession, but he did...


lol. To be honest, I agree that the nature of Naruto and Sakura's relationship has detailed in many scenes throughout the manga. Unfortunately, being that this is a debate and being that I detect a flaw in your reasoning, I'm going to have to produce a counter argument

First, you've agreed that the romance isn't crucial to the plot. Meaning that even if we agree that the all the scenes you are referring to are meant to indicate romance, it doesn't matter as to whether or not there is a culminating point in the plot which resolves all of these various scenes in the form of the initiation of a romantic relationship.

Second, there are other animes/manga which have taken the time to throw all sorts of nods that there were some level of infatuation between certain characters (Code Geass being a GREAT example), yet in the end, nothing got resolved due to a frustrating mishap which I shall not discuss in this thread. I will tell you one thing though: It is very common for shounen mangaka to hint the possibility of romance between characters, only for this to never get resolved in the form of a open ended ending. Do not surprised if Kishimoto decides to do this.

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Naruto/Sakura's relationship has been an ongoing plot since the beginning (whereas Hinata/Naruto's relationship hasn't been.



I wouldn't call it a plot thread. At best, a sub plot. As I've already indicated though, it doesn't need to be resolved through romance. Believe or not, one could even call Sakura coming to the realization to be passive and believe in Naruto as being the resolution (a crappy resolution I know, but a resolution nevertheless)..

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Gee, I didn't even was expecting a hug in chapter 450. Or a confession in chapter 469. Yet they happened.


Playing devil's advocate: The hug was just another nod from the author towards the pairing; no different than the nods he has given to other pairings. The confession was just a plot device used to get Naruto to establish WHY he wants to save Sasuke (which, kind of hurt NaruSaku) as well as ultimately getting him to show up and fight Sasuke in chapter 484.

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No. You aren't looking at the series more objectively. You are looking at it more NEGATIVELY because you are downright annoyed (your words, not mine), so you are labeling off any development, even if that development is objectively positive.


You may say what you like regarding my intentions. I don't agree with your labeling of me, but it is inconsequential to this discussion. smile.gif

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I guess that emoticon means you are just kidding... but Kishimoto himself has defended Sakura from her haters and stated she is the heroine. And you tell she doesn't mean anything to him? Only because he hasn't done with her what you wanted in the last chapters?


I was kidding. She does mean something to him, but not what she means to many others. As of now, Kishi believes her character has taken a step in the right direction and is probably patting himself on the back about it what just occured. It's his manga; there's nothing wrong with him believing that.

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Ciardha and Soupy have SAID Sakura DOESN'T know she wants it.


And I have said she already knows she has it.

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And even if she knows she wants it and has it, she still can want it.


If that's like already owning a PS3 and wanting a PS3, then yes, I agree.

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And I don't remember Sai telling Naruto acknowledges her. Please, may you show me the pannel?


Love = acknowledge.

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Huh? From the manga? From the scene where she says it?


Both Naruto and Sai suggest she was lying. Sai even says that Sakura was just trying to ease his pain.

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Or from the scene where she gets mad at Naruto and states: "Anything like that? Do you think it is easy for a girl come all this way to confess her feelings?


Perhaps if this kunoichi schtik fails Sakura, she should put it all into the acting market. tongue.gif

lol, but seriously, Sai has already cleared this up. Unless we find out that Sai was lying or misinformed, we have no reason to believe that Sakura was telling the truth.

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Do you rely on the databook more than in the manga?


Given that Kishi created the data book serves to clarify on things which are unknown/open-ended in the manga, I do to an extent.

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He also said: "She has moved over Sasuke and she has chosen you. She was thinking only of you and I believe you realized that".


I remember using this as an argument against NaruHina shippers in the past. Even then, I saw a heck of a lot of problems with using this chapter as evidence of my position and did my best to insure that the discussion never went to a unfavorable route.

There are a couple of problems with your assertions.

1) She never says "She has moved over Sasuke and she has chosen you" or anything to suggest this.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/474/08/ - SAI: She wants to save him from a life of evil because she loves him

In fact, the above statement suggest the opposite. She wishes to kill Sasuke because she loves him.

When added by . . .

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/474/08/ - SAI: And I think she is prepared to do whatever it takes, even if it means killing THE ONE she loves.

We are to conclude that she hasn't moved nor has she chosen Naruto over Sasuke.


2) The only thing she is doing for Naruto's sake is easing his burden

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/474/09/ - That's her way of making up for trying to saddle you with a lifelong burden.

This is an additional benefit to her saving Sasuke.


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Her feelings can be totally sincere -and Sai never told they were NOT- and she can perfectly think revealing them to Naruto would lessen his pain.


Sai makes it clear that she loves one person and also makes it clear that she "confessed" to Naruto make his pain easier rather than telling him the truth. The latter part of this statement is confirmed here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/474/04/ (notice that the truth and her confession are differentiated).

Edited by Kenny-kun, 20 March 2010 - 10:08 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 09:46 PM


PREVIOUS POST CONT (sorry for the double posts, but it wouldn't let me make a posts with that many quote tags for some reason):



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No. Naruto never said that and he never accused her of that. He said she was deluding herself about Sasuke not meaning anything to her. What she was. But no in the way he believed.



http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/470/01/
Naruto: It's just weird. You came all this way just to tell me something like that (referring to the confession).

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/470/03/

Naruto: That just sounds like an excuse. I think I know you better than that (again, referring to the confession).

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And again, nobody said or implied she was lying about her feelings.


No one but him and Sai. Sai even insinuates that she only loves one person.

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If manga and the databook state different facts, I trust the manga.


The information from both comes from Kishimoto though.

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Or Kishimoto stating she was being HONEST.


How so?

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And the databook doesn't tell she doesn't know/understand her true feelings. The databook tells she isn't sure about their nature.


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That is all. I hope I haven't offended you. It isn't and never was my intention.


You haven't. I understand where you're coming from better than you think. Even still, I can't agree with your rendering of my thought process. As much as I'd like to engage myself in a conversation concerning my intentions, I feel it likely that some of the things I'd say will be taken as offensive (which is not my intention) and that such discussion is unnecessary. Perhaps if you ever grow to understand me better than you do now, I'll entertain such discussion. Certainly not today though. smile.gif



QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Mar 19 2010, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't treat the manifesto as end-all proof that NS must happen, but rather it helps highlight parts of their relationship that are positive, as well as actions taken that could indicate something more is possible.
As long as we're merely looking at things in terms of what's possible, I don't have a problem with it.



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Actually, one moment comes to mind in part II, when they met and lost Sasuke and Sakura was the one trying to cheer up Naruto (even though she herself was crying). She offered him strength in the form of her hopeful words. Gaining strength does not have to be something big enough to defeat an enemy; it is the little ways in which they support each other that are touching. (At least to me).


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/310/06/

You are referring to this scene, no? Sai and Yamato also helped, hence Naruto saying "Thanks Guys." Don't get me wrong; they cheered him up. It's just that this is quite a bit different than saying that Sakura and Naruto mutually rely on one another as a source of strength. To add to the contentions which I've already offered, i you'll refer to chapter 457, Naruto makes it clear that it is THEM who are all relying on Naruto too much.
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Actually, I think kishimoto deals with things that are quite deep, which is surprising given the target audience. In comparison to other shounen I have read, Naruto touches on some very big issues and is quite complicated. It also has much more complicated romance than other manga I read. Sometimes I feel this was a mistake, especially when romance is handled as awkwardly as it has been lately. But no, I don't believe the target audience will hold kishimoto back from dealing with what he wants to write. It seems more like an excuse.
I wouldn't use the word "deals." I'd say he acknowledges things which are quite deep (well, at least deep for this manga). A good example of this is the subplot regarding the "chain of hatred" in the world. Naruto wants to deal with this problem. Although we could potentially have gotten the opportunity to explore the essence of human nature and what kind of changes it will take to insure that humans manage to overcome their own nature, Naruto simply sweeps this subplot's potential under the rug by having Naruto say " I will believe in what Jiraiya believed in."

Now this really isn't a bad answer when taking into consideration the target audience, but it does let us know that Kishimoto has no intention of actually dealing with the issue of human conflict. Instead, all Naruto is probably going to do in the end is give a bold speech, wack Madara/Kabuto/Sasuke with the rasengan a couple of times and wave a magic wand to bring about world peace.


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Love does not equal acknowledgment. Here she wants acknowledgment as a ninja to feel like she has done worthy things. And yes, it is about what Sakura thinks, because she thinks her actions unworthy when Naruto would not think so. However, feeling so unworthy for someone shows how much they mean to them. When she was in love with Sasuke, she felt unworthy of him (especially since he put her down). Now she has transferred that feeling towards Naruto. It is a flaw for her character, but perhaps it indicates who now is more important in her life. *shrugs*
Unsuprisingly, I do not agree with you. In the context we are talking about, love does equal acknowledgment. By loving Sakura, Naruto is content with who Sakura is (heck, not just content, but overjoyed). Knowing this, Sakura has no reason to suspect that Naruto doesn't acknowledge her. Therefore, this merely boils down to what she thinks; she thinks Naruto is wrong; she thinks Naruto is wrong to be content with who she is at this point in time.

Using Sasuke as an example actually hurts your argument. She doubted herself because he wouldn't acknowledge her (as you say, she felt unworthy of him due to him putting her down). Do you think she'd possess the same feelings if she were to have found out that Sasuke loved her? Of course not.

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Since we already know Naruto loves Sakura, I don't see why we need to prove his actions were due to romance XD
I don't see why there is any need to attempt proving any such thing in the first place since it has been established that Naruto loves Sakura. Even so, that still doesn't change the fact that there was nothing romantic about the scene in questiion.
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1) Kishi will write whatever he wants. I doubt the author is going to be swayed because of the public. If this were the case, he would be writing NaruSasu as the final pairing, or at least SasuSaku. Neither of these look likely.
2) Romance isn't crucial, but it is involved enough to deserve a clear ending. He admitted he wished to make one of the pairings happen in the end.


1) Eh, it's not that simple. Keep in mind that Team Hawk was created in spite of Kishi's actual wishes. Fans wanted to see Sasuke get a team, Kishi's staff saw this and then insisted that Kishimoto create team hawk. Authors are swayed by the public all the time. After all, it's the fans authors are attempting to appease in writing the manga in the first place.

As for NaruSasu, that would piss off the fans of the other pairings. In order to piss no one off, leaving the ending up to interpretation is the best move to make.


2) If it isn't important, it doesn't necessarily deserve anything. As for admitting that he wished to make one of the pairings happen in the end, that's different from saying he WILL make one of the pairings happen in the end.
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I can't be positive, but it sounds like you don't agree with Naruto's '3rd choice'.
Not a chance.

I liked it when Naruto was determined to break every bone in Sasuke's body AND bring him back alive. wink.gif

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I actually did like his speech, so I can't say I would want Sakura to just disagree with it XD
Didn't stop Kakashi. Not to mention standing up to Naruto, even in a moment like this would be some serious development in character.
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And what he said was, if it happens that I can't win then we end up killing each other and I won't have any regrets.


1) He told Sasuke to fight him with ALL of his hatred.
2) He told Sasuke that if the both of them were to fight at full power, they'd both die.

Put 1 and 2 together and what do you get?

Edited by Kenny-kun, 20 March 2010 - 09:53 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:01 PM

I don't see why people don't see Sakura's hug to be a big deal, in Japan it IS a big deal to show affection in public, people don't even hold hands there I believe. And she hugged him in front of an entire village! Did Kishimoto not state that his heart skipped a beat when he drew it? I'm sure he did. Why say Sakura was lying? Exactly what did Sai/Naruto state she was lying about? She was lying she had no more feelings for Sasuke, which I'm sure are no longer romantic (Sasuke going to chidori/stab/choke Sakura ring a bell?) Kishimoto said he's sure he made Sakura an honest person, why not believe her feelings for Naruto aren't true? Who knows what Sakura would have done in (487) if Naruto didn't faint, she was walking straight towards him. And who knows what Yamato would have said at the end of his speech after Naruto/Kyuubi attack (Though we can pretty much say we have a pretty good guess).
Didn't Kishimoto say he was gonna make one pairing canon? Who's the one that has the most development? NH, SS, or NS? I'm sure we all know or we wouldn't be here.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:06 PM

you know sakura is type of character that can be quite clueless when it comes to feelings..meaning she is DENSE not as much as Naruto..but she is..in part 2 she knew naruto had a crush on her but to the point of just silliness she didn't know that his love was deep..to me i think she did fall in love with him before sai confrontation...as i say alot of times i can totally see sakura falling into with Naruto without even knowing it..she wants him to know that she cares about him..and would do alot to make him happy.

miss soupy is right LOVE DOES NOT EQUAL ACKNOWLEDGMENT

love -= trust, compassion, sympathies, understanding each other an , and wanting the other partner happy..its part acknowledgment but most of what i said is what love EQUALS TOO..again i agree that Naruto. Naruto and Sakura needs to grow up, but i think Sakura changed alot in this ark..she learn her lesson in this chapter..she is willing to still believe in the person she trust the most, she knows her flaws..i have completely faith Sakura will become stronger after this ark..she has a very strong determination even though she cant get up to their level she will still be able to help..she wants him to be acknowledge that she wants to get rid of his burdan..

love is complicated its not simple.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:12 PM

Sai and Naruto never said she was lying at all. In point of fact the only time the word Lie comes out is when Naruto states he hates people who lie to themselves.

he was referring SOLEY to Sakuras comments on her feelings towards Sasuke. He never called her feleings towards him into question, and neither did Sai.

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love -= trust, compassion, sympathies, understanding each other an , and wanting the other partner happy.


That is precisely what Mizura states in the manifesto several times in regards to Naruto and Sakura as a couple and why they are the most likely pairing or at leats have the best chance in that regard.

the fact that every action the two takes in one fashion or form is done for the other and almost never for themselves. They are the prime example of a compassionate love.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:25 PM

I feel pretty conflicted in continuing this dance.
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I don't see why people don't see Sakura's hug to be a big deal, in Japan it IS a big deal to show affection in public, people don't even hold hands there I believe. And she hugged him in front of an entire village!
First off, let me be clear that I never simply suggested that the hug was no big deal. Personally, I think it was. That said, I played devil's advocate to show it's meaning as well as the meaning isn't quite as certain as any of us would like to believe.
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Did Kishimoto not state that his heart skipped a beat when he drew it? I'm sure he did.
I don't know if he said this or not, but I would think so based on his feelings for Sakura.
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Why say Sakura was lying?
Because both Naruto and Sai drew this conclusion and I have yet to see anything substantial to counter their assertions regarding Sakura. It's possible that she wasn't and that both Sai and Naruto have faulty interpretations, but there is no proof of this.
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Exactly what did Sai/Naruto state she was lying about?
About the confession.
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She was lying she had no more feelings for Sasuke
Sai was clear in claiming that Sakura loves one person and that one person is Sasuke.
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which I'm sure are no longer romantic
Maybe, maybe not. We'll just have to see for ourselves assuming Kishi doesn't intend to sweep this issue under the rug.
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(Sasuke going to chidori/stab/choke Sakura ring a bell?)
Yeah, what can I say? Sakura is a bit of a fool (not just her, but Naruto as well). If it were me, I would have abandoned my friendship with Sasuke or the idea that team 7 could be reestablished a long time ago. Kairin is the only one with any sense. biggrin.gif

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Kishimoto said he's sure he made Sakura an honest person
When? And honest overall or perfectly honest?

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why not believe her feelings for Naruto aren't true?
I don't know her feelings for Naruto. I know what I believe, but I don't particularly know anything.

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Didn't Kishimoto say he was gonna make one pairing canon?
I have no idea what Kishi has said on this matter. Soupy said that Kishi said he wished one of the pairings would come true. Still, even in assuring us that one pairing is confirmed, that doesn't eliminate the possibility of the pairing being ambigious (i.e. at the end, we see Naruto holding hands with someone else, but cannot identity who this someone else is).
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Who's the one that has the most development? NH, SS, or NS?
Depending on what you mean by development, NS by far.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:34 PM

Hehe, Kenny-kun you dog xD
Must you debate about everything? Eh, whatever ^^

And I didn't state that YOU said it was no big deal, I just stated that some other pairing says it's bro/sis. Pff.

Sorry, can't keep up today, I'm not using my laptop and it's difficult to quote and type but eh.

Naruto/Sai never said the exact words "You don't love Naruto" and it wasn't implied as far as I could tell. They said she's lying about her feelings for Sasuke. I must say, your right that she still probably doesn't know how she feels. Only time will tell my friends *sigh*

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:40 PM

QUOTE (firegirl @ Mar 20 2010, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
miss soupy is right LOVE DOES NOT EQUAL ACKNOWLEDGMENT
Like I said, particularly in the context we're talking about, it does. For Naruto to love Sakura means that he is content with who she is. If this were about Sakura seeking Naruto's acknowledgment, she'd know that her not being able to do more than she can do doesn't bother him. Obviously, she is aware of this, but disagrees with Naruto.



QUOTE (catsi563 @ Mar 20 2010, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sai and Naruto never said she was lying at all. In point of fact the only time the word Lie comes out is when Naruto states he hates people who lie to themselves.
Yeah, the word lie isn't used throughout the whole conversation, but it being insinuated that Sakura wasn't being honest was.

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he was referring SOLEY to Sakuras comments on her feelings towards Sasuke.
No, he commented on Sakura's confession as well, stating that she confessed simply to ease Naruto's burdens and that she knew that Naruto would hate her after she killed Sasuke. To add, we have Sai referring to Sasuke as the one she loves.

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He never called her feleings towards him into question
He did. What else do you think him telling Sakura that "he is skeptical that she'd come all that way just to say something like that" means?


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the fact that every action the two takes in one fashion or form is done for the other and almost never for themselves.
That's just it though; this isn't a fact. Naruto flat out said that he was saving Sasuke for himself.

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Hehe, Kenny-kun you dog xD
Must you debate about everything?
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Naruto/Sai never said the exact words "You don't love Naruto" and it wasn't implied as far as I could tell.
Not the exact words, but the only thing his message could have meant: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/474/08/

Sai: ". . . killing the one she loves."

Personally, I think Sai has got it wrong, but I base this merely on my own intuition. Evidence wise, I cannot deny what he is saying. sad.gif

Edited by Kenny-kun, 20 March 2010 - 10:45 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:40 PM

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Because both Naruto and Sai drew this conclusion and I have yet to see anything substantial to counter their assertions regarding Sakura. It's possible that she wasn't and that both Sai and Naruto have faulty interpretations, but there is no proof of this. About the confession.Sai was clear in claiming that Sakura loves one person and that one person is Sasuke


umm well lets see does her actions in the latest chapters speak of Sakura loving Sasuke......all i see is her trying to kill him but cant because he WAS connected to her by being her friend and teammate. same with Kakashi he couldn't kill him instead he was trying to reason with him..Naruto would never kill him. and out of all three Sakura wanted him dead right at the start of this ark.

what Sai said was a COMPLETE speculation he has never seen the bond of Sasuke and Sakura he only heard from a third party which is NARUTO WHO WAS STUCK IN THE PAST before team 7 picture in his mind shattered..also in the confession part Naruto only had flashbacks of past Sakura and beginning of part 2 Sakura..honestly would she really lie to some she cares the most about trusts the most..and would sacrifice everything just for the boy to be happy? it out of her character!!

actions speaks louder then words..and i look at her actions though these chapters Sakura only focus on one person...it wasn't Sasuke it was Naruto..she cared about his feelings yelled at Sasuke for calling Naruto an outsider telling him how much Naruto believes that he can still be their friend..she looked at Naruto sadly that he still does..it was before naruto speeh..after the speech about dying with Sasuke..she has seen JUST HOW DEEP NARUTO AND SASUKE bond truly is..she sees just how important it is for Naruto and understands why he is doing this lifting up her hope that maybe team 7 can finally have a happy ending and be in peace..but we don't know the rest of her thoughts of Naruto dieing with Sasuke..

Edited by firegirl, 20 March 2010 - 10:45 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:43 PM

There's still over 8 months left in 2010, Kishi has plenty of time to improve on Sakura's "heroine" role. I actually don't expect Kishi to make Sakura to step up until towards the end of this year. As over the upcoming weeks/months will be build up for Naruto, Sakura, and I know sleep.gif Sasuke.

I'm hopeing we will gets more insights on Naruto's mother Kushina. happy.gif

Edited by Uzumakikage, 20 March 2010 - 10:48 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:43 PM

^^ some of ur debates seem like SS lol

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:44 PM

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^^ some of ur debates seem like SS lol


Yup that's what it seems to me lol, or perhaps they are thinking too much about this. mellow.gif
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:47 PM

I must say Kenny-kun, were/are you an NS fan? You really do try to find all the negative in Ns or turn a moment around, no offense.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:52 PM

QUOTE (Devil Keyz @ Mar 20 2010, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Kenny-Kun, some of ur debates seem like SS lol


Fixed biggrin.gif

Edited by Uzumakikage, 20 March 2010 - 10:53 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:53 PM

QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Mar 20 2010, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I must say Kenny-kun, were/are you an NS fan? You really do try to find all the negative in Ns or turn a moment around, no offense.


I know Shippu-chan but to me Kishi is too late. He has to finish what he started, if he started developing N/S earlier in the manga then he has to finish the manga making N/S canon. He can't just stopped and suddenly say I developed N/S for so long but now I don't want to develop the pairing anymore. I'm sorry but that would be retarded for him to develop one pairing for over 200 chapters and suddenly he stops the development and the pairing doesn't become canon. It's like telling the readers WTF, If Kishi does that he will screw up as a writer. Because if he didn't like the development of one pairing in particular after so long then why bother do the development in the first place? It's like changing the rules in the middle of a game.
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#4599 Kenny-kun

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:54 PM

QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Mar 20 2010, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I must say Kenny-kun, were/are you an NS fan? You really do try to find all the negative in Ns or turn a moment around, no offense.


I am an NS fan. Don't let me undermining the usual arguments in favor of the pairing fool you.

There are two reasons as to why I am doing this:

1) I like arguing.

2) If you've ever played a Phoenix Wright game, then I suppose you could say I'm like Miles Edgeworth. I feel that debating with my doubts as my stance can help me discover the truth.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 11:00 PM

QUOTE (Kenny-kun @ Mar 20 2010, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am an NS fan. Don't let me undermining the usual arguments in favor of the pairing fool you.

There are two reasons as to why I am doing this:

1) I like arguing.

2) If you've ever played a Phoenix Wright game, then I suppose you could say I'm like Miles Edgeworth. I feel that debating with my doubts as my stance can help me discover the truth.


I see •.• Interesting. Though, this could be your downfall when all is proven thus, NS canon pictureem0.gif

@Graven-kun

Nice way of wording things xD... I'm sure Kishimoto is not in the business of making Manga to dissappoint. Dattebayo~




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