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[TouKen4Life3g]

Anyone here who's all worried about Naruto and Sakura being too close as friends to get together, did you even read my previous post? If not, here:

"For once I feel like posting a rant. I am tired of the nh excuse that Naruto and Sakura are too close as best friends to be together so here's my counter argument. Any of you ever played the Mega Man Battle Network game series or watched the Mega Man NT Warrior/Rock Man EXE anime or Mega Man NT Warrior manga based off it? Basically there are 2 characters who are best friends, Lan and Mayl. They know each other since preschool and are next door neighbors, are in the same class in school, and are pretty much best friends and have the biggest bond out of anyone in the series. You'd think they're too close as best friends to get together right? Wrong. At the end of Battle Network 6 after the credits it says they got married and have a son named Patch. So pretty much that being too close as best friends to get together and being like brother and sister is a load of crap, nuff said. Hopefully that will make anyone here have more faith in NaruSaku now. And another thing is Lan is pretty much as much of an idiot at times as Naruto lol. And there were hints pretty similar to NaruSaku in some of the Battle Network games too (and the games are the true canon lol)like Lan dreaming of Mayl (battle network 2) and little dates as friends (anime and a few games)and Lan peeping on Mayl and Lan saving her carrying her bridal style a couple of times in the anime and manga(sound familiar?). Only difference is no tragic past other than Lan's twin brother dying(and Mega Man is pretty much the twin brother revived by the dad) and the fact that both had no feelings for anyone except each other, though there was Dex crushing on Mayl and Lan had fangirls since he was the savior of the world a lot of times."

I'm starting to wonder if these NH fans making the argument even know that childhood friends even closer than Naruto and Sakura have gotten together....

I like what you said.

Trust me, the excuse of two friends being too close equals no romance is rather immature. Funny, the fact that the close friends situation often leading them being lovers. I have dozen and dozen of media that have this story. In fact, it is often to be the best couple in my eyes because they know each other a lot. I didn't watch the show you said above, but I know the premise and the characters. I remember saying myself, "Hm, they look a couple." Glad I'm right. So far, I'm on a winning streak. Haven't lost a pairing war yet.

Anyway, don't worry about others. Let them think otherwise. It's not good to try to change their minds since we all have different ideas. Besides, just look at ours and be happy on the logic we have.

[ultranx]

Do you still bother to argue with them?
If they say that they are too close as friends to date let them be, they will make every excuse to try to counter arguments, you dont need to post a wall of text to counter this, just reply "this is not a valid argument, try hard next time".
and say being too close as friends is not an embarrassment to have a love couple and then leave as it is.

Who said I bother to argue with them? I'm done getting involved with pairing wars, I stopped talking on youtube except to my friends because of it. And that's not a wall of text. And I only reposted this comment about this "friendzone" mess to explain that those 2 characters were childhood friends and even closer than Naruto and Sakura yet they got together, and I'm trying to give an example of how stupid and immature that nh argument really is. And don't worry NaruSaku4Life3g, I'm not worried, I was just tired of hearing that argument and wanted to post my thoughts.

Edited by ultranx, 22 September 2012 - 04:17 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Who said I bother to argue with them? I'm done getting involved with pairing wars, I stopped talking on youtube except to my friends because of it. And that's not a wall of text. And I only reposted this comment about this "friendzone" mess to explain that those 2 characters were childhood friends and even closer than Naruto and Sakura yet they got together, and I'm trying to give an example of how stupid and immature that nh argument really is. And don't worry NaruSaku4Life3g, I'm not worried, I was just tired of hearing that argument and wanted to post my thoughts.

Noted.

[Paptala]

@ ultranx: I agree that the "Naruto and Sakura are too close of friends to end up together" is ridiculous, both by real life standards and manga standards.

Look at Winry and Ed from FMA or Yusuke and Keiko from YYH - both of them were childhood friends, and both are hero/tsundere pairings. It's certainly possible for best friends to become romantically involved in shounen stories.

@ swagosaurus: Excellent post. I think pairing fans tend to read into stuff pretty deeply because (a) they love the pairing a lot, (b) have a lot of time while waiting for new moments to over analyze moments, and © its literature - people always over analyze literature.

A lot of fans misunderstand the parallel argument, and I think that it a major reason why so many people don't like it/get annoyed when its brought up. It's not that we're arguing NaruSaku will be canon because it is an exact copy of MinaKushi, JiraTsu, or ObiRin (which they aren't), or that they're going to end up the same (which we don't want since two of those relationships failed, and the third died young).

Rather, the argument is that the set up for the romantic relationship is the exact same - the loser in love with the girl who is either in love with the cool genius or always turns the loser down. With the theme of the newer generation surpassing the old, and the same failure in love cropping up, its pretty illogical to believe that Kishi would also make Naruto fail in winning over the heart of the girl in love with the cool genius and who always used to turn him down.

Naruto falling in love with Hinata just won't achieve the same literary effect - it would be Hinata achieving what she wants, not Naruto. Naruto will still have technically failed, because he never won Sakura's heart in the end. He never had to work for Hinata's love, never had to earn it. He never wanted it either.

That is why some fans believe that the parallels make NaruSaku such a shoe in.

Though personally, I think the parallels are just the icing on the cake of NaruSaku evidence from the manga - you are absolutely correct in stating that the bulk of the evidence for NaruSaku being the most likely pair comes from their interactions with one another, and the way that their feelings for one another have been presented in the manga.

I can't wait to see them interact again, hopefully soon after the Obito flashbacks are over!

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ ultranx: I agree that the "Naruto and Sakura are too close of friends to end up together" is ridiculous, both by real life standards and manga standards.

Look at Winry and Ed from FMA or Yusuke and Keiko from YYH - both of them were childhood friends, and both are hero/tsundere pairings. It's certainly possible for best friends to become romantically involved in shounen stories.

@ swagosaurus: Excellent post. I think pairing fans tend to read into stuff pretty deeply because (a) they love the pairing a lot, (b) have a lot of time while waiting for new moments to over analyze moments, and © its literature - people always over analyze literature.

A lot of fans misunderstand the parallel argument, and I think that it a major reason why so many people don't like it/get annoyed when its brought up. It's not that we're arguing NaruSaku will be canon because it is an exact copy of MinaKushi, JiraTsu, or ObiRin (which they aren't), or that they're going to end up the same (which we don't want since two of those relationships failed, and the third died young).

Rather, the argument is that the set up for the romantic relationship is the exact same - the loser in love with the girl who is either in love with the cool genius or always turns the loser down. With the theme of the newer generation surpassing the old, and the same failure in love cropping up, its pretty illogical to believe that Kishi would also make Naruto fail in winning over the heart of the girl in love with the cool genius and who always used to turn him down.

Naruto falling in love with Hinata just won't achieve the same literary effect - it would be Hinata achieving what she wants, not Naruto. Naruto will still have technically failed, because he never won Sakura's heart in the end. He never had to work for Hinata's love, never had to earn it. He never wanted it either.

That is why some fans believe that the parallels make NaruSaku such a shoe in.

Though personally, I think the parallels are just the icing on the cake of NaruSaku evidence from the manga - you are absolutely correct in stating that the bulk of the evidence for NaruSaku being the most likely pair comes from their interactions with one another, and the way that their feelings for one another have been presented in the manga.

I can't wait to see them interact again, hopefully soon after the Obito flashbacks are over!

This.

I do believe some people do get the idea of parallel wrong too. Also, thank you for pointing about other anime/manga that disagree with this argument "Too close to be lovers". Anyway, we can only hope after the flashback. It's still interesting, don't get me wrong, but I would like to see the upcoming for NaruSaku, which I am certain that it will come.

So let me ask you this. I know that parallel isn't the main argument for NaruSaku for it has so many developments on its own. That said which parallel do you see it as the most closest one?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 22 September 2012 - 05:12 AM.

[Codus N]

ObiRin, obviously.

[Branden]

well Kishi hinted at MinaKushi alot but ObiRin just reminds me so much of them

[PhenixElite]

This.

I do believe some people do get the idea of parallel wrong too. Also, thank you for pointing about other anime/manga that disagree with this argument "Too close to be lovers". Anyway, we can only hope after the flashback. It's still interesting, don't get me wrong, but I would like to see the upcoming for NaruSaku, which I am certain that it will come.

So let me ask you this. I know that parallel isn't the main argument for NaruSaku for it has so many developments on its own. That said which parallel do you see it as the most closest one?

ObitoRin is nearly the same situation like NS but ithink MinaKushi is the one that supports NS the most.

[AzureWaters]

I agree a lot.


I understand what you mean. I just think that these parallels are too coincidence, let alone how the setup is. You know, the loser trying to win his love interest heart. I mean it's basically screaming, "Naruto, surpass us! Make us proud!" Minato is a different story, but has the same setup that Naruto is going through, only taking longer. This is a joke moment, but just imagine SasuSaku happens.

Jiraiya: Hah...Well welcome to the club!
Obito: Wow, you got friendzoned! Even I went down without witnessing Rin rejecting me, let alone going someone's else.
Naruto: Hey, I'm alive, am I?
Obito: But you still lost.
Jiraiya: Don't feel bad. Perhaps you will start writing books like me.
Naruto: But...I'm not good at that. It's so boring...
Minato: You know, your mom in the afterlife told me she's the closest one to her, yet you let it slide.
Naruto: Hey, you're my dad! Support me!
Kushina: Oh, we will support, if you didn't give up!
Naruto: Mom....

Basically, Naruto has to surpass the old generation in every ways. End of story.

When it comes to surpassing the old generation, I think the term means more in ability, power level, and maturity. While you could say that Naruto must get the girl because those before him did not, I don't think that's what were supposed to take from that statement. Its not a matter of finally winning the heart of your love interest, but succeeding the legacy of those who could not (bringing world peace, saving a friend, etc)

Not saying romance couldn't be included in that, but overall its less significant than Naruto's other goals. If he fails to win Sakura, I don't think he'll be looked at as a failure in manga or outside of it. lol

[FallingHero]

Just noticed this. --Click here to view--

Not sure if it's planned but I think it foreshadows quite well.

[candycane-chan]

foreshadows what?

[PhenixElite]

When it comes to surpassing the old generation, I think the term means more in ability, power level, and maturity. While you could say that Naruto must get the girl because those before him did not, I don't think that's what were supposed to take from that statement. Its not a matter of finally winning the heart of your love interest, but succeeding the legacy of those who could not (bringing world peace, saving a friend, etc)

Not saying romance couldn't be included in that, but overall its less significant than Naruto's other goals. If he fails to win Sakura, I don't think he'll be looked at as a failure in manga or outside of it. lol

I think its also ment in romance cause jiraya said something like to do what he couldnt and also thought about tsunade turning him down. I also think it would be a big failure for naruto if wont get sakura, cause after all he went through because of her and everything like hints, parallels and the relationship that was built up between them over the whole manga.

That would be epic fail

[FallingHero]

foreshadows what?

Sakura throughout the manga.

[T XD]

Just noticed this. --Click here to view--

Not sure if it's planned but I think it foreshadows quite well.

Yup. Sakura in part 1 was constantly seeing and being reminded about Sasuke who is someone she really take things about him too much to be true.
It has been putted that way for her in part 1 so in part 2 to begin thinking about the real Sasuke and his attitude towards her, as he doesn't care about her romantically, and for her to reconsider what she thought about and felt for him like we are seeing now. It's like a process for her thoughts about Sasuke.

[Arachnia]

Alot of people see it like naruto failing if he wont get the girl he likes including me in a way but still you can see it like this too him making the girl of hes dreams as happy as possible too make her dreams reality there is still a chance that that will happen meaning naruto pushing sasusaku in motion, i for 1 dont like that but it is possible.

I mean we we all know naruto is a bit too good of a guy

[candycane-chan]

Alot of people see it like naruto failing if he wont get the girl he likes including me in a way but still you can see it like this too him making the girl of hes dreams as happy as possible too make her dreams reality there is still a chance that that will happen meaning naruto pushing sasusaku in motion, i for 1 dont like that but it is possible.

I mean we we all know naruto is a bit too good of a guy

he's too good it's just heartbreaking i still remember that moment in the hospital when sakura hugged sasuke ,that was one of the moments when I accual felt for him and started rooting for him because I realiized that I don't want to see him like that again
Because even if he says that when sakura's happy he'll be happy , it won't be the same

[T XD]

Alot of people see it like naruto failing if he wont get the girl he likes including me in a way but still you can see it like this too him making the girl of hes dreams as happy as possible too make her dreams reality there is still a chance that that will happen meaning naruto pushing sasusaku in motion, i for 1 dont like that but it is possible.

I mean we we all know naruto is a bit too good of a guy

What i'm going to say is illegitimate in term of manga but here it is:
Let's say that Sakura and Sasuke get together. Sakura won't be happy as it's a relationship that could not work.

When Naruto told Sakura that he'll bring Sasuke back, it was to see her not in pain as Sasuke would be around them so she won't feel sad. Getting with Sasuke will mean that Naruto will have to stop it in order for her to not be in pain.

Edited by T XD, 22 September 2012 - 03:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Alot of people see it like naruto failing if he wont get the girl he likes including me in a way but still you can see it like this too him making the girl of hes dreams as happy as possible too make her dreams reality there is still a chance that that will happen meaning naruto pushing sasusaku in motion, i for 1 dont like that but it is possible.

I mean we we all know naruto is a bit too good of a guy

Yeah, but Naruto will be sad. While I like how he is very nice to Sakura and will do anything to make her happy, he will still be sad for not having her. You can say he will feel mixed in that sense. I don't see Kishi going to this route at all because Naruto the character is about going through hardship and pain and in the end, there is a reward for those who wait and don't give up. Basically, he is going to have a happy ending if our support for him really means everything, including his overcoming the odds. I probably wouldn't say this if the fact that Sakura is having feelings for both guys didn't happen. But it did and now, she holds the final answer. I can well see her choosing Naruto in the end as Naruto may be a little confused on why returning to him when Sasuke is there for her. As for we know, Naruto can't read a woman's heart. Sure he will know if a person lying or not, but feeling is a different story. For all we know, if they go on a date and Sakura comes out looking very special, Naruto will just comment on her nice looking ribbon, instead of her look. Sakura will hit him for not getting the comment she wanted it. Trust me, it's best for guys to say the right thing or rather what they want to hear.

Anyway, Sakura holds the answer and right now, we are tallying up the result. It's only matter of time.

[PhenixElite]

Yeah, but Naruto will be sad. While I like how he is very nice to Sakura and will do anything to make her happy, he will still be sad for not having her. You can say he will feel mixed in that sense. I don't see Kishi going to this route at all because Naruto the character is about going through hardship and pain and in the end, there is a reward for those who wait and don't give up. Basically, he is going to have a happy ending if our support for him really means everything, including his overcoming the odds. I probably wouldn't say this if the fact that Sakura is having feelings for both guys didn't happen. But it did and now, she holds the final answer. I can well see her choosing Naruto in the end as Naruto may be a little confused on why returning to him when Sasuke is there for her. As for we know, Naruto can't read a woman's heart. Sure he will know if a person lying or not, but feeling is a different story. For all we know, if they go on a date and Sakura comes out looking very special, Naruto will just comment on her nice looking ribbon, instead of her look. Sakura will hit him for not getting the comment she wanted it. Trust me, it's best for guys to say the right thing or rather what they want to hear.

Anyway, Sakura holds the answer and right now, we are tallying up the result. It's only matter of time.

Yeah and also as it was said a hundred times bevore.

If SS happens, why doing all the development, parallels and hints for NS!

[Arachnia]

Yeah and also as it was said a hundred times bevore.

If SS happens, why doing all the development, parallels and hints for NS!

well same reason we always say if narusaku happens it wont happen right away and they cant be happy couple after all in the midd of the series, same can happen with sasusaku but TBH it just wont fit anymore in my eyes and it will only make sakura look foolish if she choose sasuke, but i have seen even worse anime endings then sasusaku so i gess its all possible.

Edited by Arachnia, 22 September 2012 - 04:48 PM.