1457 replies to this topic

[六道仙人]

all this story of "It's too late" is getting only more annoying... meh

[Change]

maybe I just discovered the america today, but I just learned that our fandom is very very very insecure.... no less than NH or SS... really.

You just noticed now? This kitten happens every kittening chapter

[六道仙人]

You just noticed now? This kitten happens every kittening chapter

 

yeah... actually I noticed that since a lot of time... but today a such behavior.... only because it's too late to playing with pairings" doesn't have any sense.... Even 10 chapters ago could have been too late to fool around pairings stuff...

[Atheck]

Something else I've noticed people talking about is how close the manga is to ending, as if it only has a short amount of time left. I thought I read that the manga will go past 2014, until at least possibly mid 2015. From the way I see it, this manga still has a lot of ground to cover and I don't see it wrapping all the loose ends up any time soon.

 

This conflict with Kaguya alone could take another volume or two before it's fully resolved. She was just introduced 7 chapters ago and already there's talk of an untimely and hasty defeat for her. People need to be patient with her because she's still mostly an enigma. The reasoning for her motives, her relations to the people/things close to her, her backstory, and the eventual demise... All of that takes time. It isn't something that should be half-heartedly dealt with just because readers may not be as enthralled with her character as the author was hoping for.

 

I mentioned this before: Both Obito and Madara were given dozens of chapters for their respective personalities to be fleshed out and the expository information for why they're acting the role of antagonist to be brought to light. If Kishi has been building up to this passing of the "evil" torch to Kaguya then he owes it to her that she receive the same consideration as those that came before her.  This includes Black Zetsu as well since he seems to be integral to Kaguya's motives.

 

Apart from Kaguya, there's still Orochimaru, a long-lasing villain who has managed to survive all this time, to deal with and finally the Naruto and Sasuke battle. Just that fight alone could easily run close to two volumes if it's similar to the fight they had in Part 1.

[ns.Believe.It]

I just noticed that Naruto and Sakura have the same colour hats, while Sasuke and Kakashi have different

Excellent observation. SS/NH fans would be proud of the level of such connection/parallel   

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 23 July 2014 - 06:11 PM.

[Nefertieh]

I'm just going to add that I hope people find more creative adjectives other than curse words with asterisks in the middle.

[narusaku256]

 
And I'm saying, even if in the near-impossible odds Sasuke does fall in love with Sakura, it doesn't mean she is going to accept it all and end up with him. Not when it has already been established that she doesn't trust him, her feelings have changed etc. just a few chapters ago.

Ergo, Sasuke's feelings are a threat to no one.
 
 
 
I'm not mistaken, it seems like you didn't read the whole post you replied to. You replied to this post (which flatly calls Sakura shallow):
 

No I did not mean this! I swear I didn't! Yeah! I think I did read the whole post or did not think enough whether he was aiming at Sakura and NS or just Sasuke as an individual

Edit: If anything, @Chatte's posts perfectly summed up my opinions....she explains stuff a lot lot better than I do

Edited by narusaku256, 23 July 2014 - 06:14 PM.

[KnS]

I have never been more convinced that some of you are simply addicted to drama.  Good grief.

 

Some -- okay, most -- of this fear, bad faith, hysteria, hand-wringing, melodramatics -- whatever you want to call it -- is based on assumptions you have made yourselves.  It reminds me of children who become convinced there is a monster under their bed at night.  It is an unfounded, erroneous fear that defies logic, but by recycling the fear in their minds -- over and over -- it becomes real.

 

Sigh.

 

Many of you are projecting your presumptions onto Kishimoto:  He's a sadistic troll.  He doesn't care about his story.  He doesn't care that he's making NS look bad compared to other ships.  He's regressing Sakura's character.  He's reckless.  Ad infinitum.  

 

The fact is, we don't know jack squat about Kishimoto or his motives.  But by applying logic -- which is underrated, by the way -- what we do know is that Kishimoto's reputation and livelihood are intertwined with this manga.  He has spent 15 years of his life on it.  It is likely to be the defining achievement of his career, and his legacy.  He admits that once it's over he owes his wife a honeymoon and more time with his children because he's been a workaholic who spends his evenings at the studio.

 

He doesn't care?  He's sadistic for the hell of it?  He's mindlessly messing around with YOUR pairing?

 

This past week, the majority of the discussion revolved around concerns that something was going to happen with SS.  The HORROR!!!  But as many calmer souls predicted (myself included), it was a non-event that Kishimoto glossed over.  It appears to have been nothing more than a brief moment of basic decency from Sasuke, wherein he expressed his gratitude to Sakura by choosing -- for once -- not to be an overtly nasty and condescending asshat.  He didn't thank her, but he didn't say anything crappy, either.  For Sasuke, that's a big-souled moment.

 

Of course it still failed Naruto's acid test of how he expects Sakura-chan to be treated; Obito too, for that matter.  And the only reason for Naruto's confrontational question to be included was to highlight that he's thinking of Sakura, knows Sasuke is a complete tool, and for Kishimoto to skewer anyone who thought Sasuke had changed significantly.

 

So you got what you wanted.  No SS details to mar the progress of NS, plus a moment of Naruto's concern for Sakura (and still calling her Sakura-chan, by the way).  Cool.  

 

But wait... No... now it's the OMFG!ColorCoverTRAVESTY!!!!1!1!!  Cue for more drama.  Sigh.

 

You know what I saw when I looked at the color cover?  I saw a hero in the lead, followed by his two sidekick friends who are equal in terms of his reliance on them for support of his quest for Good, followed by their sensei.  I saw Kishimoto summing up the basic plot of the story in a new, Wild West motif. 

 

What I did NOT see is a reason for fear, doubt, and angry denouncements that Kishimoto doesn't care about his story, about Sakura's development, or about NS.  Those are fan presumptions not based on fact.  Look underneath the underneath does not mean straining to see the monster under the bed.  Remember, the target audience for this story is younger boys; it's not going to require charts, maps, a degree in psychology, and encyclopedic knowledge on the history of Japan and ninja culture to understand it.

 

Kishimoto knows what he's doing with his characters and the pairings. He has a plan and he's working it.  There is absolutely no reason to react to every little thing as if it's some kind of conspiracy on his part to destroy your investment in NS.  Kishimoto has A LOT more invested in it than you do.

 

Just my opinion.

Edited by KnS, 23 July 2014 - 06:49 PM.

[only Naruto]

nigga thats a f**cked up nonsense..its too late for that kitten

am not saying it will happen . am saying even if happens . its not about sasuke anymore . its all in sakuras hand top pick her lover .and as the manga told us the whole time . its naruto .

[六道仙人]

Excellent observation. SS/NH fans would be proud of the level of such connection/parallel   

 

all this means nothing compared to Prince Charmingsuke with his blushing damsel. screw off you denial NS fans!

Edited by 六道仙人, 23 July 2014 - 06:13 PM.

[Nefertieh]

No I did not mean this! I swear I didn't! Yeah! I think I did read the whole post or did not think enough whether he was aiming at Sakura and NS or just Sasuke as an individual

 

It's all good. You could edit your post if you want. I don't want to see support for Sakura-bashers around here.

[rocci]

In part one:
Naruto -> sakura, with a little sakura -> naruto moment.
The climax : poal.

In part two :
Sakura -> naruto, with a little naruto -> sakura moment.
The climax : sakura confession(for good or bad)

Until war arc developement get a pending until 630.
War arc :
We will get a naruto -> sakura moment and vice versa.

Naru vs sasu arc :
NS canonization.

[Nefertieh]

 

I have never been more convinced that some of you are simply addicted to drama.  Good grief.

 

Some -- okay, most -- of this fear, bad faith, hysteria, hand-wringing, melodramatics -- whatever you want to call it -- is based on assumptions you have made yourselves.  It reminds me of children who become convinced there is a monster under their bed at night.  It is an unfounded, erroneous fear that defies logic, but by recycling the fear in their minds -- over and over -- it becomes real.

 

Sigh.

 

Many of you are projecting your presumptions onto Kishimoto:  He's a sadistic troll.  He doesn't care about his story.  He doesn't care that he's making NS look bad compared to other ships.  He's regressing Sakura's character.  He's reckless.  Ad infinitum.  

 

The fact is, we don't know jack squat about Kishimoto or his motives.  But by applying logic -- which is underrated, by the way -- what we do know is that Kishimoto's reputation and livelihood are intertwined with this manga.  He has spent 15 years of his life on it.  It is likely to be the defining achievement of his career, and his legacy.  He admits that once it's over he owes his wife a honeymoon and more time with his children because he's been a workaholic who spends his evenings at the studio.

 

He doesn't care?  He's sadistic for the hell of it?  He's mindlessly messing around with YOUR pairing?

 

This past week, the majority of the discussion revolved around concerns that something was going to happen with SS.  The HORROR!!!  But as many calmer souls predicted (myself included), it was a non-event that Kishimoto glossed over.  It appears to have been nothing more than a brief moment of basic decency from Sasuke, wherein he expressed his gratitude to Sakura by choosing -- for once -- not to be an overtly nasty and condescending asshat.  He didn't thank her, but he didn't say anything crappy, either.  For Sasuke, that's a big-souled moment.

 

Of course it still failed Naruto's acid test of how he expects Sakura-chan to be treated; Obito too, for that matter.  And the only reason for Naruto's confrontational question to be included was to highlight that he's thinking of Sakura, knows Sasuke is a complete tool, and for Kishimoto to skewer anyone who thought Sasuke had changed significantly.

 

So you got what you wanted.  No SS details to mar the progress of NS, plus a moment of Naruto's concern for Sakura (and still calling her Sakura-chan, by the way).  Cool.  

 

But wait... No... now it's the OMFG!ColorCoverTRAVESTY!!!!1!1!!  Cue for more drama.  Sigh.

 

You know what I saw when I looked at the color cover?  I saw a hero in the lead, followed by his two sidekick friends who are equal in terms of his reliance on them for support of his quest for Good, followed by their sensei.  I saw Kishimoto summing up the basic plot of the story in a new, Wild West motif. 

 

What I did NOT see is a reason for fear, doubt, and angry denouncements that Kishimoto doesn't care about his story, about Sakura's development, or about NS.  Those are fan presumptions not based on fact.  Look underneath the underneath does not mean straining to see the monster under the bed.  Remember, the target audience for this story is younger boys.  It's not going to require charts, maps, a degree in psychology, and encyclopedic knowledge on the history of Japan and ninja culture to understand the story.

 

Kishimoto knows what he doing with his characters and the pairings. He has a plan and he's working it.  There is absolutely no reason to react to every little thing as if it's some kind of conspiracy on his part to destroy your investment in NS.  Kishimoto has A LOT more invested in it than you do.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

It's just a consequence of a young fandom. And then ofcourse a famous blogger mentions her insecurity and then people feel that it must be true.

 

People are quick to forget that what happened in the manga between Sasuke and Sakura this chapter: nothing.

 

[only Naruto]

 

I have never been more convinced that some of you are simply addicted to drama.  Good grief.

 

Some -- okay, most -- of this fear, bad faith, hysteria, hand-wringing, melodramatics -- whatever you want to call it -- is based on assumptions you have made yourselves.  It reminds me of children who become convinced there is a monster under their bed at night.  It is an unfounded, erroneous fear that defies logic, but by recycling the fear in their minds -- over and over -- it becomes real.

 

Sigh.

 

Many of you are projecting your presumptions onto Kishimoto:  He's a sadistic troll.  He doesn't care about his story.  He doesn't care that he's making NS look bad compared to other ships.  He's regressing Sakura's character.  He's reckless.  Ad infinitum.  

 

The fact is, we don't know jack squat about Kishimoto or his motives.  But by applying logic -- which is underrated, by the way -- what we do know is that Kishimoto's reputation and livelihood are intertwined with this manga.  He has spent 15 years of his life on it.  It is likely to be the defining achievement of his career, and his legacy.  He admits that once it's over he owes his wife a honeymoon and more time with his children because he's been a workaholic who spends his evenings at the studio.

 

He doesn't care?  He's sadistic for the hell of it?  He's mindlessly messing around with YOUR pairing?

 

This past week, the majority of the discussion revolved around concerns that something was going to happen with SS.  The HORROR!!!  But as many calmer souls predicted (myself included), it was a non-event that Kishimoto glossed over.  It appears to have been nothing more than a brief moment of basic decency from Sasuke, wherein he expressed his gratitude to Sakura by choosing -- for once -- not to be an overtly nasty and condescending asshat.  He didn't thank her, but he didn't say anything crappy, either.  For Sasuke, that's a big-souled moment.

 

Of course it still failed Naruto's acid test of how he expects Sakura-chan to be treated; Obito too, for that matter.  And the only reason for Naruto's confrontational question to be included was to highlight that he's thinking of Sakura, knows Sasuke is a complete tool, and for Kishimoto to skewer anyone who thought Sasuke had changed significantly.

 

So you got what you wanted.  No SS details to mar the progress of NS, plus a moment of Naruto's concern for Sakura (and still calling her Sakura-chan, by the way).  Cool.  

 

But wait... No... now it's the OMFG!ColorCoverTRAVESTY!!!!1!1!!  Cue for more drama.  Sigh.

 

You know what I saw when I looked at the color cover?  I saw a hero in the lead, followed by his two sidekick friends who are equal in terms of his reliance on them for support of his quest for Good, followed by their sensei.  I saw Kishimoto summing up the basic plot of the story in a new, Wild West motif. 

 

What I did NOT see is a reason for fear, doubt, and angry denouncements that Kishimoto doesn't care about his story, about Sakura's development, or about NS.  Those are fan presumptions not based on fact.  Look underneath the underneath does not mean straining to see the monster under the bed.  Remember, the target audience for this story is younger boys.  It's not going to require charts, maps, a degree in psychology, and encyclopedic knowledge on the history of Japan and ninja culture to understand the story.

 

Kishimoto knows what he doing with his characters and the pairings. He has a plan and he's working it.  There is absolutely no reason to react to every little thing as if it's some kind of conspiracy on his part to destroy your investment in NS.  Kishimoto has A LOT more invested in it than you do.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 this.........finished my likes   . this is logic and a view for the big picture

[narusaku256]

 
It's all good. You could edit your post if you want. I don't want to see support for Sakura-bashers around here.

I am sorry for that....I am not a Sakura basher nor an NS one and neither have I lost faith in our ship. But just like some users say, I am bothered with the execution lately. I apologise for my rudeness

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

 

No, you haven't missed a thing. It really proves our ship is the least secure ship of them all.

 

Apparently. It doesn't seem to take much to completely shatter people's confidence.

[Change]

I'm just going to add that I hope people find more creative adjectives other than curse words with asterisks in the middle.

Because cursing is so bad
Anyways, it was auto-censored

[only Naruto]

In part one:
Naruto -> sakura, with a little sakura -> naruto moment.
The climax : poal.

In part two :
Sakura -> naruto, with a little naruto -> sakura moment.
The climax : sakura confession(for good or bad)

Until war arc developement get a pending until 630.
War arc :
We will get a naruto -> sakura moment and vice versa.

Naru vs sasu arc :
NS canonization.

this .  . and is there another . sakura stab  ?

[Nefertieh]

I am sorry for that....I am not a Sakura basher nor an NS one and neither have I lost faith in our ship. But just like some users say, I am bothered with the execution lately. I apologise for my rudeness

 

No no, I wasn't referring to you, I was saying that I don't support the person you quoted, who was a Sakura-bashing.

 

What exactly about the execution bothers you? (Would it be different if the cover image wasn't there?)

[Sakura~]

i have the right for my opinions without being criticized. I wish I'd be proven wrong, but that's what I'm believing right now.