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Posted 29 May 2014 - 01:16 PM

 

He obviously knows about some part of it, since that interview when he said that Sakura is not Hinata and so on.

I don't even understand them.

It's like the Infinite Tsukuyomi : they just want to live in their apparently perfect dream, and they don't analyse the reality to understand. It's not good to blind yourself.

It's a part of the message Kishi wants to send to the young ones, but I guess they are maybe too young to understand.

I still think most of the bashing and foolish fanbase are children, or not older than 16. Something like that.

 

We, in this forum, are in majority people that like to analyse and understand well a story IMO, that's why we believe in NaruSaku, we don't like it on a whim. We like it from the manga. Well maybe NaruHina or SasuSaku fans believe the same about them...

 

Also, I've always thought that people who like NaruHina or SasuSaku don't read that much mangas and don't understand very well the japanese way of telling those kind of stories in mangas. I may be wrong... but that the way I see it.

 

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That is true but we all know it time they all have to wake up and face the truth I mean its just sad really when ever Sasuke says something all his fans agree with him like Zombies, I mean you know what would be funny if Sakura became a goddess by eating the fruit or something else. A dream maybe but it would tick of the fans or maybe something else for Sakura and Kakashi, after all Sasuke needs to be put in his place.

 

 

The seal markings don't help either.

 

 

No, not yet.

 

 

Who knows with Sasuke?  You never truly know what's in his head.  Naruto is truly the only one who he gives attention to, though that's for his twisted desire to kill him later to erase his past.  He ignores Sakura for the most part during the war, and when he finally talks to her, he demoralizes her. Also, the minute he deems Kakashi to not be of help now, Sasuke views him as just another nuisance, and tells him not to talk.  I don't think he hates them, rather to him, the "useless" should remain quiet, and let those with power handle everything. Essentially, he's telling them to know their "place".  Arrogant of him, but in line with his character.

 

I can definitely see that happening with Shikamaru.

 

 

If Madara is any depiction of how once he made the statement that women are weak, and now his comeuppance is being handed by a women, anything is possible.

 

 

Well, this is from English-speaking fans overseas though.  Who knows how the Japanese fandom acts, though I hear they are more mature? 

well that is Naruto fans for ya I mean we all know Teamfourstars Hellsing that they do it all reminds me when in episode two in which the older brother who fights Alucard and just your the best and so on and Alucard just nodes and says "Oh I like to dirty talk when someones sucking my ****." and its true as that is what the Naruto fans are doing to Sasuke right now.

 

 

If I remember well, there is bashing on Kakashi and Sakura in Japan too.

What! why are they doing it I thought they were more understanding?



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 01:21 PM

Once again, to Harrye, "Kun" doesn't mean you're lovers. "Chan" has more crediblilty than that. Hell, even in SD referenced it. I will give you this, that's true that he did have Sakura saying "San" but ok.

Man, I'm starting to think this would be worst place to learn suffix...

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 01:34 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure what I think about this. I only marginally cared about Madara. I don't give a damn about Kaguya. It was unexpected, so that was good, but it, for me, has huge elements of who gives f---?

Does he really have sufficient time and energy to flesh her out to a point where the audience really has reason to care and be attached? It feels a general part 2 trend moving from the close and familiar to the vague and unfamiliar? People cared about Obito. People kinda cared about Madara. Maybe he will impress, but I dunno how strong the audience will feel for her?

 

So right about Kaguya's introduction into the story. It has no build up, no...nothing. It's important for the audience to feel suspense for/from the villain, whether named or unnamed. And none of that happened. She just popped onto the scene. And what's to stop this from being a Kaguya-Inception? Couldn't her mother come out and kill her next? Couldn't this just go on and on? We know she's now supposed to be the originator, but every villain has been painted as the Big Bad by Kishi. What's to stop him from undermining her? So readers are left with no suspense, and little trust that the author's gonna deliver what he's promising.

 

Someone put up pictures of the databook, with the caveat that it was a long time ago and the facts have changed somewhat. And I began thinking...the databooks ended after the Pain Arc and never started up again. Why? Because the story so radically shifted from the original one that another databook would be pointless. The original characters wouldn't, couldn't, be featured because none of them had changed. Only precious few were even focused on. Instead, a "Part 3 Datatbook" would have to focus on all the new character introduced, their backstories, etc. That says a lot about the momentum of the story after the Pain Arc. So the sudden appearance of Kaguya behind yet another curtain is right in line with how the story has been developed lately.

 

I feel like the story is turning into Wizard of Oz. Tremendous build-up, but now I'm just hoping we don't discover there's a little Orochimaru hiding behind the throne running things.

 

 

 

Wasn't wild about the SasuIno stuff (what in the world does this guy have to do for someone, ANYONE, to stop liking him on any level, it's like an incurable, terminal disease). I don't know if there is anyone who has done so little to deserve so much admiration. Well...actually, the Uchiha are plagued with this throughout. Sasuke is just the poster child.

Anyway, I do agree with being relieved about not seeing Sasuke/Karin. That'd have been horrible.

 

lol at the bolded - so true.

 

I was actually surprised there wasn't a hint of InoChoji in the dreams. But eh, I think this was mostly for humor anyway. 

 

Ino's dream shows that she is fairly self-centered. I never once thought that she liked Sai. Only that she liked being flattered by Sai in his mistaken compliments. The Sasuke infatuation is a hangover from childhood, but it shows a very adult vanity in still dreaming that he'd pick her over everyone else. 

 

Neither of these relationships paint her in a flattering light.

 

It's ironic, the dream-jutsu was meant to correct losses or wrongs that were horribly tragic, eg. Obito's loss of Rin. But the dreams of the rookies are fairly attainable in real life. Only Gaara and Tsunade's dreams are impossible. So it seems to be the Rookies either don't get it, and/or haven't suffered enough heart-breaking loss to really deserve an altered reality to fix their lives. 

 

And it undermines the work of this ultimate genjutsu. I wish the dreams weren't so light-hearted, but that they were instead dreams that really made their lives perfect. Like Gaara and Tsunade's, where the reader really feels the weight of what's being offered. The return of those who have been killed — Asuma, Neji, Kakashi's dad, Sai's brother, Shikamaru and Ino's parents, etc. Giving the readers a moment where you feel like wow, they're lives really are better. It would sharpen Naruto's hero's journey, by pulling the readers even more over to him when he convinced the genjutsu'd masses and the readers that his way really was better. *sigh* Just a thought. 



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 01:37 PM

So now that I had let it sink in and read it several times, I want to give a real review.

The chapter was indeed amazing, especially for us. This doesn't make NaruSaku canon, but it indeed just ruins the other pairings and makes them hard to see them as anything more than wishful thinking by fans. Kishi is really driving the point home with it. That being said, I don't see how NH or SS can even make up ground now and might as well officially call them dead. There is no way to make those two couples real without just asspulling them into reality. Especially for SS which not even the Tsukuyomi can fix it.

I do have to comment on a few things though:
"Sakura is seen being afraid of Sasuke and almost like she is saying "Don't hit me""
Truth be told I don't see this at all. Instead I just see a girl who once again is disappointed by the fact that Sasuke again proves he doesn't really care about Team 7. All he cares about is himself and Naruto. (Maybe Team Not 7 as well, but whatever.) He hates his old life and wants to get rid of it and he has proven these feelings three times now in this war. I don't know why people keep keep ignoring these moments, but they are there. Sakura, however, is not some abused girl flinching like Tina Turner and Ike. It is her just feeling disappointment. Almost the exact same face she had when Sasuke tried to stab her through with his sword and not cared about her at all.

Yeah, I want Sakura to knock Sasuke out, but in truth even if she wanted to, she wouldn't. Regardless of what Sasuke is, they need him and I think both kakashi and Sakura know this. It's not that they wouldn't argue with him, but rather it is not the right time for it. They got bigger issues going on. I am hoping though when the war is truly over and there is nothing else to fight, then maybe Sasuke will be dealt with.

Naruto did stand up for Kakashi and Sakura, but I see people see as more of a comedic than an actual standing up. Well, we can chalk this one up to Naruto's nature as a character. He is always hyperactive and expressive of his emotions. Doesn't mean his emotions aren't powerful. In fact, I could say that when he isn't that expressive or when he really is with a calm demeanor, it means he is heavy with burden or he is really pissed off to the point that you know you really messed up. Some people are like that. They can get angry and expressive, but when they get quiet and controlled, you know you really messed up. Does this diminish the reaction and Naruto sticking up for Sakura and Kakashi. No, it's just that Sasuke has done worse. Comparing to say when Sasuke tried to kill Sakura, he wasn't being that expressive at all. He in fact has this really pissed off face like "Oh no you didn't."

Take that as you will.

I would love to see Sakura stand up for herself against Sasuke, but I think both us and the characters know that it is just not the right time for it. Them fighting amongst themselves would only make the situation worse, not better. So for now they keep it to themselves. Sasuke will get his back pay when the Naruto vs Sasuke fight rolls around. I can see it then.

People say that Kishimoto is bad at writing romance. I question that though because I don't know if it is bad writing or just bad timing. The scenes themselves are not that bad, but I feel these should have been happening long ago, not now. I can also say that just because Kishi is bad at writing romance, doesn't mean NS won't become canon. It just has a few rough edges to get through that Kishi it trying to iron out and it feels like he is trying to make up for lost time and lost opportunities. If that is the case and not just him really believing this is how it should be. I am not bothered by it in reality. I won't say it is not frustrating, but at the same time that is just my inner biased pairing fan's view. My plain fan view's see this as more of a "Now that Sasuke is "back" it is time to answer some questions."

It's not the best, but not the worst either. *Insert Twilight joke.* Actually, SS might be the only relationship that isn't better than Twilight.

To be honest, I like the way this is playing out. In some ways, it feels bad, but this is actually good. We need the views that differ from Naruto's because we need that reality check. It kind of makes Naruto look a little narrow-minded on the surface, but in retrospect it's probably for our own benefit and not for the characters themselves. We need it to be shown that Sasuke is up to no good and this is the proof. It's a way to justify the Naruto vs Sasuke fight later on and no doubt things will get worse. Sasuke is a seflish jackass, but I like that. For once, it gives Sasuke meaning for once instead of just being an undefinable blank slate. We see him as his person now and not just what we have to "interpret."

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Some people have been saying that Sakura's powers are not impressive and that Kishi is terrible at making her be as strong as Naruto and Sasuke. Okay, well to be frank, Naruto and Sasuke cheat with their powers. Even more so with Sasuke. Let's really put this into perspective: Sakura has never been a jinchuurki, she doesn't come from a special clan, she started with nothing, and she had to train the hardest out of anyone.

Would you say that Rock Lee sucks because he can't compete with Sasuke? No, because Rock Lee's case is about overcoming those struggles. He has so much handicap while everyone else got free boosts simply because they were born into a clan.

Sakura trained hard for her powers and I love her for it. It makes her real and it makes Rock Lee real. People are so willing to easily criticize her, yet want to play off that the fact that she is probably the third most powerful from her class. Again, and I know I am beating a dead horse, but why is Hinata getting a free pass again? I really am tired of the whole "because she is a side-character" arguement people propose because I could apply the reverse to Naruto and Sasuke: "They have to gain free stuff because they are the main characters." Yet, people still find BS with them. So I find BS with why everyone else can't be like Sakura and keep up or at least be at that steady pace. Not even Gaara is that powerful and he is a Kage.

I am a man who believes that if you have to apply logic to one character, you have to apply to them all. Sure, not everyone can be as powerful as Naruto and Sasuke, but when the other characters don't even appear they have gotten stronger, then something is wrong. This is especially true when Hinata looks weaker than she was in part 1. She could almost match toe to toe with Neji, but now she can't even take a few Zetsu clones without being beaten.

It's also kind of hard for Sakura to keep up especially when you keep moving the finish line and yet she is still in the race despite it. It really is shameful how much people criticize her for it and really I want to facepalm every time. They can't see a character trying so hard with effort, instead they just see a character who can't keep up. Well, then I will start heavily criticizing Hinata for this now. Everytime someone criticizes Sakura, I will poke at Hinata or any other character and express my disappointment that no other character is as powerful as Naruto and Sasuke right now.

"Why not? Every character should be important." Sounds stupid to you? Think I am being impractical and not understanding the situation? Yeah, that feeling is the same feeling I get every time people bash Sakura with terrible reasons.
 

 

 


It's ironic, the dream-jutsu was meant to correct losses or wrongs that were horribly tragic, eg. Obito's loss of Rin. But the dreams of the rookies are fairly attainable in real life. Only Gaara and Tsunade's dreams are impossible. So it seems to be the Rookies either don't get it, and/or haven't suffered enough heart-breaking loss to really deserve an altered reality to fix their lives. 

 

And it undermines the work of this ultimate genjutsu. I wish the dreams weren't so light-hearted, but that they were instead dreams that really made their lives perfect. Like Gaara and Tsunade's, where the reader really feels the weight of what's being offered. The return of those who have been killed — Asuma, Neji, Kakashi's dad, Sai's brother, Shikamaru and Ino's parents, etc. Giving the readers a moment where you feel like wow, they're lives really are better. It would sharpen Naruto's hero's journey, by pulling the readers even more over to him when he convinced the genjutsu'd masses and the readers that his way really was better. *sigh* Just a thought. 

 

I actually like that aspect of the dreams of the K11 and I thought you guys hated the idea that all characters have this tragic past. XD

The bolded part is really I think the intention because some of these characters don't really know what it's like to be standing at the edge. So of course their views are going to be shallow. Also, keep in mind these guys are still kids and kids always have selfish, shallow dreams...especially teenagers. It makes them more relatable. I think it really shows the different spectrum of these characters

and defines them even more. Hinata's, Ino's, and a few others are selfish, but they never really been expressed to desire anything else really. Compared to Gaara and others who just wanted a different life all together.

They are getting exactly what they wanted and that is perfect to them. Even if Ino's is all the boys fighting over her, that is her perfect world. Sometimes people find perfection in flaws and that's the world they want.

Take example my own dreams. My perfect world is not in never facing difficulties, but overcoming them. Having the powers and abilities to gain what I want most. It would be boring to just gain everything that easy and some people like that challenge. That is perfection to them.

I don't think it undermines the genjutsu so much as it undermines the character. It's like someone wishing for a sandwhich from a Genie. All the power in the universe and they ask for a sandwhich...which is even more funny when you realize that that's all they wanted.


 


Edited by James S Cassidy, 29 May 2014 - 02:24 PM.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 01:49 PM

So now that I had let it sink in and read it several times, I want to give a real review.

The chapter was indeed amazing, especially for us. This doesn't make NaruSaku canon, but it indeed just ruins the other pairings and makes them hard to see them as anything more than wishful thinking by fans. Kishi is really driving the point home with it. That being said, I don't see how NH or SS can even make up ground now and might as well officially call them dead. There is no way to make those two couples real without just asspulling them into reality. Especially for SS which not even the Tsukuyomi can fix it.

I do have to comment on a few things though:
"Sakura is seen being afraid of Sasuke and almost like she is saying "Don't hit me""
Truth be told I don't see this at all. Instead I just see a girl who once again is disappointed by the fact that Sasuke again proves he doesn't really care about Team 7. All he cares about is himself and Naruto. (Maybe Team Not 7 as well, but whatever.) He hates his old life and wants to get rid of it and he has proven these feelings three times now in this war. I don't know why people keep keep ignoring these moments, but they are there. Sakura, however, is not some abused girl flinching like Tina Turner and Ike. It is her just feeling disappointment. Almost the exact same face she had when Sasuke tried to stab her through with his sword and not cared about her at all.

Yeah, I want Sakura to knock Sasuke out, but in truth even if she wanted to, she wouldn't. Regardless of what Sasuke is, they need him and I think both kakashi and Sakura know this. It's not that they wouldn't argue with him, but rather it is not the right time for it. They got bigger issues going on. I am hoping though when the war is truly over and there is nothing else to fight, then maybe Sasuke will be dealt with.

Naruto did stand up for Kakashi and Sakura, but I see people see as more of a comedic than an actual standing up. Well, we can chalk this one up to Naruto's nature as a character. He is always hyperactive and expressive of his emotions. Doesn't mean his emotions aren't powerful. In fact, I could say that when he isn't that expressive or when he really is with a calm demeanor, it means he is heavy with burden or he is really pissed off to the point that you know you really messed up. Some people are like that. They can get angry and expressive, but when they get quiet and controlled, you know you really messed up. Does this diminish the reaction and Naruto sticking up for Sakura and Kakashi. No, it's just that Sasuke has done worse. Comparing to say when Sasuke tried to kill Sakura, he wasn't being that expressive at all. He in fact has this really pissed off face like "Oh no you didn't."

Take that as you will.

I would love to see Sakura stand up for herself against Sasuke, but I think both us and the characters know that it is just not the right time for it. Them fighting amongst themselves would only make the situation worse, not better. So for now they keep it to themselves. Sasuke will get his back pay when the Naruto vs Sasuke fight rolls around. I can see it then.

People say that Kishimoto is bad at writing romance. I question that though because I don't know if it is bad writing for just bad timing. The scenes themselves are not that bad, but I feel these should have been happening long ago, not now. I can also say that just because Kishi is bad at writing romance, doesn't mean NS won't become canon. It just has a few rough edges to get through that Kishi it trying to iron out and it feels like he is trying to make up for lost time and lost opportunities. If that is the case and not just him really believing this is how it should be. I am not bothered by it in reality. I won't say it is not frustrating, but at the same time that is just my inner biased pairing fan's view. My plain fan view's see this as more of a "Now that Sasuke is "back" it is time to answer some questions."

It's not the best, but not the worst either. *Insert Twilight joke.* Actually, SS might be the only relationship that isn't better than Twilight.

To be honest, I like the way this is playing out. In some ways, it feels bad, but this is actually good. We need the views that differ from Naruto's because we need that reality check. It kind of makes Naruto look a little narrow-minded on the surface, but in retrospect it's probably for our own benefit and not for the characters themselves. We need it to be shown that Sasuke is up to no good and this is the proof. It's a way to justify the Naruto vs Sasuke fight later on and no doubt things will get worse. Sasuke is a seflish jackass, but I like that. For once, it gives Sasuke meaning for once instead of just being an undefinable blank slate. We see him as his person now and not just what we have to "interpret."

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Some people have been saying that Sakura's powers are not impressive and that Kishi is terrible at making her be as strong as Naruto and Sasuke. Okay, well to be frank, Naruto and Sasuke cheat with their powers. Even more so with Sasuke. Let's really put this into perspective: Sakura has never been a jinchuurki, she doesn't come from a special clan, she started with nothing, and she had to train the hardest out of anyone.

Would you say that Rock Lee sucks because he can't compete with Sasuke? No, because Rock Lee's case is about overcoming those struggles. He has so much handicap while everyone else got free boosts simply because they were born into a clan.

Sakura trained hard for her powers and I love her for it. It makes her real and it makes Rock Lee real. People are so willing to easily criticize her, yet want to play off that the fact that she is probably the third most powerful from her class. Again, and I know I am beating a dead horse, but why is Hinata getting a free pass again? I really am tired of the whole "because she is a side-character" arguement people propose because I could apply the reverse to Naruto and Sasuke: "They have to gain free stuff because they are the main characters." Yet, people still find BS with them. So I find BS with why everyone else can't be like Sakura and keep up or at least be at that steady pace. Not even Gaara is that powerful and he is a Kage.

I am a man who believes that if you have to apply logic to one character, you have to apply to them all. Sure, not everyone can be as powerful as Naruto and Sasuke, but when the other characters don't even appear they have gotten stronger, then something is wrong. This is especially true when Hinata looks weaker than she was in part 1. She could almost match toe to toe with Neji, but now she can't even take a few Zetsu clones without being beaten.

It's also kind of hard for Sakura to keep up especially when you keep moving the finish line and yet she is still in the race despite it. It really is shameful how much people criticize her for it and really I want to facepalm every time. They can't see a character trying so hard with effort, instead they just see a character who can't keep up. Well, then I will start heavily criticizing Hinata for this now. Everytime someone criticizes Sakura, I will poke at Hinata or any other character and express my disappointment that no other character is as powerful as Naruto and Sasuke right now.

"Why not? Every character should be important." Sounds stupid to you? Think I am being impractical and not understanding the situation? Yeah, that feeling is the same feeling I get every time people bash Sakura with terrible reasons.


 

I think its all because the reason they leave Hinata be is all thanks to Sasuke. I mean think about it James. Look at all the times when Sasuke has said something negative to Sakura, the fans agree with what Sasuke says, and now with have Sasuke talking down to Kakashi and by no shock all the fans are once again agreeing with what Sasuke says. I mean it like his word is law.

 

What if Sasuke said I would be a better Hokage than you Naruto, all the fans would agree with him because they all suck up to the great last Uchiha. Maybe we should just call the Manga Sasuke.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:19 PM

I think its all because the reason they leave Hinata be is all thanks to Sasuke. I mean think about it James. Look at all the times when Sasuke has said something negative to Sakura, the fans agree with what Sasuke says, and now with have Sasuke talking down to Kakashi and by no shock all the fans are once again agreeing with what Sasuke says. I mean it like his word is law.

 

What if Sasuke said I would be a better Hokage than you Naruto, all the fans would agree with him because they all suck up to the great last Uchiha. Maybe we should just call the Manga Sasuke.

Well, then that is a terrible excuse and I believe from now on, no one has a right to complain about my views on why I hate Sasuke. At least I have reasons, but how you describe is basically saying "Hey, Sasuke is right because I like him" or because "I hate Sakura, so I am siding with Sasuke."

Really, this fandom (in general, not specifically here) just disappoints me everyday when I see logic like this. I am trying to be fair and reasonable, but I face people with logic that become major character apologists. This is especially true with the naruto fandom where a good protion of it just excuses everything Sasuke does for whatever reason. I thought Naruto was bad for it for a while, but here my negativity of it should be projected on the fans.

-sigh- Ever lose faith in the human race? I just did.

Might as well just say: "All the characters suck and are badly written because they can't be as powerful and broken as Madara/Kaguya is."


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:30 PM

Anyone else find it funny that in Lee's dream, even with him gaining Sakura's attention he still sees her as calling Lee-San, not Lee-Kun? Even in his dream world he knows Sakura will never see him as anything more than a friend.

In another anime that I watched (Cardcaptor Sakura) the father calls his daughter "sakura-san" too, I don't think suffix matters too much, it depends on the person.. I could be wrong about this though.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:37 PM

So right about Kaguya's introduction into the story. It has no build up, no...nothing. It's important for the audience to feel suspense for/from the villain, whether named or unnamed. And none of that happened. She just popped onto the scene. And what's to stop this from being a Kaguya-Inception? Couldn't her mother come out and kill her next? Couldn't this just go on and on? We know she's now supposed to be the originator, but every villain has been painted as the Big Bad by Kishi. What's to stop him from undermining her? So readers are left with no suspense, and little trust that the author's gonna deliver what he's promising.
 
Someone put up pictures of the databook, with the caveat that it was a long time ago and the facts have changed somewhat. And I began thinking...the databooks ended after the Pain Arc and never started up again. Why? Because the story so radically shifted from the original one that another databook would be pointless. The original characters wouldn't, couldn't, be featured because none of them had changed. Only precious few were even focused on. Instead, a "Part 3 Datatbook" would have to focus on all the new character introduced, their backstories, etc. That says a lot about the momentum of the story after the Pain Arc. So the sudden appearance of Kaguya behind yet another curtain is right in line with how the story has been developed lately.
 
I feel like the story is turning into Wizard of Oz. Tremendous build-up, but now I'm just hoping we don't discover there's a little Orochimaru hiding behind the throne running things.

About Kaguya i'm getting the feeling that she was inserted for the solely purpose of making Madara's redemption possible.

I was actually surprised there wasn't a hint of InoChoji in the dreams. But eh, I think this was mostly for humor anyway. 
 
Ino's dream shows that she is fairly self-centered. I never once thought that she liked Sai. Only that she liked being flattered by Sai in his mistaken compliments. The Sasuke infatuation is a hangover from childhood, but it shows a very adult vanity in still dreaming that he'd pick her over everyone else. 
 
Neither of these relationships paint her in a flattering light.
 
It's ironic, the dream-jutsu was meant to correct losses or wrongs that were horribly tragic, eg. Obito's loss of Rin. But the dreams of the rookies are fairly attainable in real life. Only Gaara and Tsunade's dreams are impossible. So it seems to be the Rookies either don't get it, and/or haven't suffered enough heart-breaking loss to really deserve an altered reality to fix their lives. 
 
And it undermines the work of this ultimate genjutsu. I wish the dreams weren't so light-hearted, but that they were instead dreams that really made their lives perfect. Like Gaara and Tsunade's, where the reader really feels the weight of what's being offered. The return of those who have been killed — Asuma, Neji, Kakashi's dad, Sai's brother, Shikamaru and Ino's parents, etc. Giving the readers a moment where you feel like wow, they're lives really are better. It would sharpen Naruto's hero's journey, by pulling the readers even more over to him when he convinced the genjutsu'd masses and the readers that his way really was better. *sigh* Just a thought.

Yep, just dont get people seeing the pairing side of this aspect and claiming it's worse for NH or SS or whatever.
I just think it showed their dreams on which we already knew.
Some of them were funny like Lee as an example, beating Neji and Naruto.
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:45 PM

Im starting to think that SS and NH shipers only see their ship. Sakura interacted with Saduke its SS. Doesnt matter what happened. Even if its negative. And if just if NS wasnt in the way they would be right. So they downgrade NS. And there is this personality that is opposite of ours.Our ship's lips touched and they dismissed. They become even more radical. If there was NH or SS CPR scene NS fans would just give up

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:48 PM

Im starting to think that SS and NH shipers only see their ship. Sakura interacted with Saduke its SS. Doesnt matter what happened. Even if its negative. And if just if NS wasnt in the way they would be right. So they downgrade NS. And there is this personality that is opposite of ours.Our ship's lips touched and they dismissed. They become even more radical. If there was NH or SS CPR scene NS fans would just give up

 

I still don't see how a hug is platonic, but hand holding is true love.

That one still has me scratching my head.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:49 PM

Well, then that is a terrible excuse and I believe from now on, no one has a right to complain about my views on why I hate Sasuke. At least I have reasons, but how you describe is basically saying "Hey, Sasuke is right because I like him" or because "I hate Sakura, so I am siding with Sasuke."

Really, this fandom (in general, not specifically here) just disappoints me everyday when I see logic like this. I am trying to be fair and reasonable, but I face people with logic that become major character apologists. This is especially true with the naruto fandom where a good protion of it just excuses everything Sasuke does for whatever reason. I thought Naruto was bad for it for a while, but here my negativity of it should be projected on the fans.

-sigh- Every lose faith in the human race? I just did.

Might as well just say: "All the characters suck and are badly written because they can't be as powerful and broken as Madara/Kaguya is."

Oh I'm with you on all and every last complaint you have on Sasuke, I mean they are like this from what many said on other sites. "Sasuke is right is what he is telling the two fodder, your just butt hurt." Its just how they are just like with some NH fans on DA who hate Naruto and only love Hinata.

 

Sometimes James it just does not work they think they are right, they don't want to be fair and reasonable nor do they want to use Logic, and your right need I say more on Obito. Some even bash Itachi for what he did to Sasuke. To met they are just fan girls/fanboys, I found a few who want Sasuke to be Hokage.

 

Oh I do, I do I mean chapter proved it more Sasuke called Kakashi useless so now all the fans hate him -sigh-

 

Don't you mean Sasuke everyone love him people even say he is better than Vegeta which is BS.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:09 PM

Where is Obito? is he dead or what?


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:11 PM

I still don't see how a hug is platonic, but hand holding is true love.

That one still has me scratching my head.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:19 PM

615 is troll.

 

Well I mean in terms of how fans think.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:27 PM

Some Anti-SasuSaku this chapter. Nice~  Although I wish Sakura would have stood up for herself a little. She still seems overwhelmed by Sasuke, which is something I want KIshi to fix.
 

NaruHina is shown through Hinata's dream which I knew it would be. I enjoyed the others though. lol Ino.

 

 



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:28 PM

Where is Obito? is he dead or what?


He's alive but he's unconscious because BZ is in control.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:36 PM

It will be great if everyone realizes they're in a dream and their desires won't come true unless they work hard for it. Especially Hinata wouldn't be awesome if she says" Naruto-kun will never feel that way about me because he will always love Sakura". Talk about launching a NS atomic bomb on NH country lol.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:46 PM

What if everyone turns heel?

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:02 PM

sigh- Ever lose faith in the human race? I just did.

The moment I went online I saw what people say.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:08 PM

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