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[TouKen4Life3g]

Amitsu if Am not mistaking.

That should be it.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Following up on Ramenanmitsu's post.  I'm checking all the examples listed and made comparisons:

212

Kiba, Shikamaru and Lee are saved by-

 

The Sand Siblings

 

The one with Chiyo is an exception to the formula.

273

 

In this one, we knew right away that Sakura got in front of Chiyo as seen in the bottom right panel.  I'd call this a no-count.

 

The next example plays more straight:

430

Tsunade is saved by-

 

Naruto

 

The next example follows the formula to a T, with reaction shots and all.

483

Sakrua is saved by-

 

Kakashi

 

Later, we get another example with Naruto saving Sakura from Sasuke.

483

 

Also, there is another example:

209

Naruto to be saved by:

 

Lee:

 

 

Ramenanmitsu's speculation is founded as most rescues are carried out the way described.  The only exception in the list is with Chiyo. At the end of the latest chapter, we really have no idea who Madara is aiming at.  The common choice would be Sakura to stop her from destroying the eye.  However, that doesn't mean he can't be aiming at Obito either.  If you think about it, killing Obito is really the fastest route to get the Rinnegan.  From Obito's injury or death, his will is weakened, and Black Zetsu can act.  Since Madara is actually close now, Black Zetsu can just leave Obito after he regains control, and fuse with Madara.  On the other hand, Madara would be going the roundabout route by attacking Sakura, which has more risk.  If he aims at Sakura, this gives Obito time to make an escape with Kamui, from Madara's perspective, as Obito's goal is to keep the eye away from him, and destroy it.  He wouldn't consider Obito would protect her and consider the eye priority above all else.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 26 April 2014 - 10:28 PM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

The chapter is pretty good. I l barely understand what was going on in the NaruSasu vs. Madara fight (Need to re-read it lol), but I'm not annoyed at Sasuke supposedly "up-staging" Naruto. Sasuke's strength has always been his eyes and if he sees things people without his eyes can't, then whatever. It's nothing new. And there was still SasuNaru teamwork anyway so it's not like Naruto was just standing there. I'm still laughing at Naruto's "listening you to still pisses me off" line. Gave me back some old SasuNaru brotp feels.

 

Kakashi losing his Sharingan just like that was unexpected. As a Kakashi fan, that's probably the scene in this chapter that outraged me the most. I mean seriously, that was pathetic. He was kneeling on the ground and bam! Eyeless. I'm still cringing. I've never seen Kakashi that owed before so pitifully. It makes me embarrassed for him. Madara really is strong if he could do that and pop that eye in without any surgery or medical ninjutsu required.

 

And that ending really makes me worried for Sakura though. I feel like it makes sense for Madara to target Sakura since she was the one trying to destroy the rinnegan. I pretty much like every option people have predicted on this site save for Sakura getting killed. She's not gonna die. I would love Sakura to defend herself and get a power-up, but I feel Obito defending Sakura would give him good closure with Rin.

 

I'd rather believe Sakura can get herself out of this, but I can't believe it that easily because a) this is Madara we're talking about here and b) Kishi's track record. It's more his style to do a Rin-Sakura parallel connection and have Sakura play damsel in distress than have her actually defend herself. It pisses me off a bit because the haters will go crazy and Sakura is used as a plot device AGAIN, but  my in faith in Kishi and Sakura's battle development is not high.

 

I will also straight-up say I'm one of those few in this forum that doesn't give a kitten if Sasuke is the one who saves Sakura or not. I feel like Sasuke would save her but it'd be more of a "since I'm here, I guess" than actually caring whether she lives or dies. So what if the SS fans go crazy? Seriously, why do we care? It doesn't change Sakura's development with Naruto and there's no way Sasuke coming to her rescue will make her favor him again. The SS fans can say whatever they like, but that's the truth.

 

I don't think Sasuke will save her anyway and I feel it's pointless for her to "trust him" again when Sasuke's just going to do something awful to Naruto when this war is over. And Sasuke would have to actually care to do something to redeem himself. Everything he does so far is for his own selfish reasons and saving Sakura would be just something he'd do for convenience. The intent for doing a good deed matters more than the actual good deed itself.  

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 27 April 2014 - 02:46 AM.

[Awes9]

Sorry googleismyfriend your arguments to me sound like selective reading, double standards, exagerations and a lot of nonsense and believe me I'm really trying to look at your point of view as unbiased as possible. Your perspective and mine are radically opposite there's no point to carry on this discussion since none of us will change his mind and I already lost more than enough time. You and me won't agree end of story so better to let the manga talk and see who is right or wrong, Kishi is the only one ultimetaly who holds the answer.

[shisui]

Sorry googleismyfriend your arguments to me sound like selective reading, double standards, exagerations and a lot of nonsense and believe me I'm really trying to look at your point of view as unbiased as possible. Your perspective and mine are radically opposite there's no point to carry on this discussion since none of us will change his mind and I already lost more than enough time. You and me won't agree end of story so better to let the manga talk and see who is right or wrong, Kishi is the only one ultimetaly who holds the answer.

You could have said agree to disagree and leave at that, without having to be insulting.

[ramenanmitsu]

Following up on Ramenanmitsu's post.  I'm checking all the examples listed and made comparisons:

Wow, thank you very much for your hard work! I was too lazy to do it myself

[Awes9]

You could have said agree to disagree and leave at that, without having to be insulting.

I am sorry I didn't mean it as an insult just the way I sincerely see it. I also aknowledge the possibility that I could be the one who is all of that (only Kishi knows),it doesn't make me a biased and stubborn idiot nor do I think you are one. I just think our radically different opinions makes it impossible to understand each other's perspective, I am sure you think the same of me which is fine since none of us has the absolute truth.

Edited by Awes9, 27 April 2014 - 12:55 AM.

[Inferno180]

I believe the deal is though for Sakura's danger, it's going to be obito defending her, or he may get quick flashes of rins death in his mind and want to stop that again at the present situation.

I mean if we know anything, Kishi just doesn't kill off characters without some event around the moment of the death, and in this series, all deaths on major characters have been meaningful. In the current situation, what would Sakura's death entail beyond just more drama on naruto? Not much. Sakura doesn't have the track record of well, what could she leave behind with her merits if she died? What could her death impact in the long run besides just basic grieving drama and a similarity to the conflict obito faced with rins death? Not much, besides do we need a parallel to be made for sakura to die? No, if anything if naruto is supposed to succeed in his story, then shouldn't this include you know sakura living? Going by other development stuff like how she isn't exactly resolved in places nor well finished in her own right, killing her off so soon doesn't make sense. Every death so far on good guys has had meaning.

Hiruzen died, this impacted all the people of the leaf and otherwise came to impact others like jiraya, eventually tsunade, and well naruto because he respected him though he was ticked off by hiruzen at points.

Asuma died, this impacted team 10 and mainly shikamaru, factored into the stuff naruto faced when jiraya died. Edo tensei events were the farewell and closure event.

Itachi died and later released the edo tensei, both death and redeath were for the purpose of originally freeing Sasuke but the first one set him on a new revenge due to what obito told Sasuke. As for the edo tensei release, it was his real death and end in the series that he ultimately gave Sasuke a new purpose, did he have a purpose beyond revenge, and he also helped kabuto find himself.

Jiraya died, major impact on naruto also became the factor for him to understand wanting revenge but also walking away from it. Told naruto to stick with what jiraya told him, not to seek revenge,

Story of minato and Kushina dying(their death was the motion of narutos fate and setup of the main story, they died knowing naruto would succeed and handle the burdens in his life)

Konan died, she knew naruto would win because her ideals like nagatos followed him. She knew obito would fail.

Neji died, ended the hygua story of how he first hated hinata and looked down on naruto to when he found he could control his fate to when he freely chose to end his life by sacrificing himself and taking the bullet for both of them. Then we get the stuff of many sacrificed their lives to this point.

Now the deal is, look at each person here, they each had some meaningful death and impact on the events and came forward with it. What closure could sakura have if she cannot resolve stuff with her team? If it did happen it would really be so soon, in a time when those resolutions couldn't be accomplished in the middle of a fight. This is why I believe the rod will just miss, be intercepted by obito or sakura just endures it, and beyond the rod event, Madara just disregards her or goes right for obito and well, she survives the mess. There's no way sakura dying has a meaningful impact on the current situation whereas obito does in the coming chapters.

[Gravenimage]

^This.

[shisui]

I am sorry I didn't mean it as an insult just the way I sincerely see it. I also aknowledge the possibility that I could be the one who is all of that (only Kishi knows),it doesn't make me a biased and stubborn idiot nor do I think you are one. I just think our radically different opinions makes it impossible to understand each other's perspective, I am sure you think the same of me which is fine since none of us has the absolute truth.

 

Sorry, but you called me all that, so yes you meant it.

 

 

Sorry googleismyfriend your arguments to me sound like selective reading, double standards, exagerations and a lot of nonsense and believe me I'm really trying to look at your point of view as unbiased as possible.

[Awes9]

Sorry, but you called me all that, so yes you meant it.

That's ok I am sure you'll be fine you're a big boy. I edited my initial answer otherwise you would whine again and never let me go and I don't want to spend all my time discussing petty matters. If I don't want to discuss manga matters anymore with you I sure as hell don't want to argue about how much you felt offended my "terrible insults".

Edited by Awes9, 27 April 2014 - 04:25 AM.

[Shadow Wolf]

In other news, I have to wonder what Karin, Oro and Kabuto are doing now...

[TouKen4Life3g]

In other news, I have to wonder what Karin, Oro and Kabuto are doing now...

I mentioned that in my list of something we should remember, which includes the alliance, Minato, and Yamato (though this one you can say he's in Zetsu's body).

[James S Cassidy]

In other news, I have to wonder what Karin, Oro and Kabuto are doing now...

Yamato, Anko, the Alliance, Team Not 7, Minato, Hashirama, and Sai.

I don't know if I missed anyone, but these seem to be missing in action at the moment although the Alliance and Team Not 7 we saw them recently so they are probably just standing around.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yamato, Anko, the Alliance, Team Not 7, Minato, Hashirama, and Sai.

I don't know if I missed anyone, but these seem to be missing in action at the moment although the Alliance and Team Not 7 we saw them recently so they are probably just standing around.

Hey. You got those from me. Lol. But you know, I really wonder.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 27 April 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

The alliance is most likely still fighting sprial zetsu

[TouKen4Life3g]

The alliance is most likely still fighting sprial zetsu

And how's that coming along?

[BlueStarSaber]

And how's that coming along?

I have no idea we need a panel to be shown to know.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have no idea we need a panel to be shown to know.

That's my wondering. Like did they win or lose or what? I guess we have to wait. It would be a bit funny if Madara is defeated but the alliance were killed.

[Hanabi]

they most likely will notice the tree is gone with their bare eyes.