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Posted 06 August 2013 - 07:35 AM

"Before Obito's overwhelming power, everyone will...?"

Possibly a huge confrontation! Or is it that Juubito will own everyone? Maybe the kages are coming.

Thanks for the translation.  :wow: Yeah, it seems there will be another cliffhanger... Obito will probably shrug off the technique somehow then attack Minato and Tobirama. Then he'll go after Naruto and Sasuke. Hiruzen will step in with more shuriken and get cut in half again. Then Obito attacks Naruto and Sasuke, leaving us with a cliffhanger before the week break, another, "Who will save Naruto and Sasuke!?" lol nf.
 

sure wsj editors love to make often their naruto preeviews pretty similar, isn't? :lol:

Definitely. xD I know that you can't reveal too much in a preview, but they all sound almost the same lol.
 

I know, but it kinda takes away from the whole being-strong-without-KG/Bijuu stuff. I mean, we haven't seen feats from him without it. I know the KCM probably doesn't do much aside from +stamina/speed/etc, but it cheapens the feel

Are you talking about Minato or Naruto?  :huh:
 

I also think Minato's KM should look different than Naruto's, because the Yin and Yang are opposites. But that's a minor detail. :sweatdrop:

 
There are some subtle differences. He has markings on his hands that are like the markings on Naruto's hands when he's in Tailed Beast Mode. That little swirly design is towards the top of his body, while Naruto's is the opposite, on the bottom. Plus that line near Naruto's collar isn't on Minato's body, and Minato also has an additional set of magatama designs on his collar.
 

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The highest level normal ninja can obtain is kage level, if they want to reach Demi god level they need to inject with foreign substance.

What about Hashirama?
 

they actually do have alot in common. Both from normal families (they even have the same eye lids and bangs, even in RTN sakura an minato said the same line) they both are smart they both have mastered fuinjutsu. And theyve even been placed in similar situations with their uzumaki lovers.

Yeah, I noticed the similarities between them a long time ago. I never said anything cause I thought people might think I was silly, or reaching.  :P But you're right, they have the same eyelid crease, plus the locks of hair framing their faces look very similar. They're both smart people who think before they act, study an opponent during battle. And I thought it was so cool how they said the same line.  :D Oh, but mastered fuuinjutsu? Are you referring to the White Strength Seal? I'm not sure that means Sakura mastered fuuinjutsu haha.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 08:37 AM

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Hashirama and madara level is demigod
EMS madara and rinnegan obito level is thou who close to god
Juubito is a GOD.

BM Naruto and PS sasuke level is demigod.

Yes I agree that sakura master byakugo no in, but not uzumaki fuin jutsu.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 08:45 AM

I'm sorry. I can;t get over it. I have to do it.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 09:47 AM

I don't see how Sasuke is smiling either, it looks more like a frown, like he's frustrated.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:37 PM

I'm sorry. I can;t get over it. I have to do it.

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Wait a sec.

Didnt the byakugan can only see a blurry white image of ppl but is unable to see facial expression and stuff.
How could she saw they smiling?

Oh god manga logic.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:40 PM

Thanks for the translation.  :wow: Yeah, it seems there will be another cliffhanger... Obito will probably shrug off the technique somehow then attack Minato and Tobirama. Then he'll go after Naruto and Sasuke. Hiruzen will step in with more shuriken and get cut in half again. Then Obito attacks Naruto and Sasuke, leaving us with a cliffhanger before the week break, another, "Who will save Naruto and Sasuke!?" lol nf.
 

Definitely. xD I know that you can't reveal too much in a preview, but they all sound almost the same lol.
 

Are you talking about Minato or Naruto?  :huh:
 

 
There are some subtle differences. He has markings on his hands that are like the markings on Naruto's hands when he's in Tailed Beast Mode. That little swirly design is towards the top of his body, while Naruto's is the opposite, on the bottom. Plus that line near Naruto's collar isn't on Minato's body, and Minato also has an additional set of magatama designs on his collar.
 

What about Hashirama?
 

Yeah, I noticed the similarities between them a long time ago. I never said anything cause I thought people might think I was silly, or reaching.  :P But you're right, they have the same eyelid crease, plus the locks of hair framing their faces look very similar. They're both smart people who think before they act, study an opponent during battle. And I thought it was so cool how they said the same line.  :D Oh, but mastered fuuinjutsu? Are you referring to the White Strength Seal? I'm not sure that means Sakura mastered fuuinjutsu haha.

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Hashirama and madara level is demigod
EMS madara and rinnegan obito level is thou who close to god
Juubito is a GOD.
BM Naruto and PS sasuke level is demigod.
Yes I agree that sakura master byakugo no in, but not uzumaki fuin jutsu.

Yes it is fuinjutsu. Mito and tsunade also mastered fuinjutsu due to their seals. It was mentioned in the manga but I cant remember where ecaxtly. Seals were originated from the uzumaki clan just as kushina explained. Sakura and minato have mastered fuinjustu.

Your statements are contradictory, you say sakura and minato mastered the seals but its not fuinjutsu when fuinjutsu is an uzumaki/senju technique consisting of seals as well.

About sasukes smile. Its not that bad. It is a smirk.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:39 PM

I want to say something that I thought about it now.

 

About Sakura engaging in the battle, she can when the alliance will fight, or she's going to intervene in another moment.

 

When the alliance engage again, she goes with them. If she has the matter of healing them in her head, she'll decide to both fight and heal at a specific time afterwards, or she can put Katsuyu healing where the ninjas will come to her to heal them.

 

Or, Sakura can decide to stay back to heal the alliance herself then in another moment she'll engage when she wants to, or, this is possible somewhat, when Tsunade arrives, they'll agree on what to do next each of them. I'm not thinking that one of the ways could be Tsunade taking her place healing and that's it cause Tsunade will fight with the others.

 

Both of them are equally possible, but I'm leaning more that she'll engage with the alliance. We'll see. The hindrance here is that the next step Sakura takes will be the step that sets up the parallel for her. So, the next step will have to be her intervening then the parallel can be getting ready.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:55 PM

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I have made a reply to your whole post. However since it's too long I cannot post it here even though I have used one hour just for editing and cutting quotes. 

 

I'm very sorry but could you please make it more shorter and more to the point next time? You made it four times longer than necessary. I'm also guilty of making my posts too long  :sweatdrop:  (Since your english is much better and you're more smarter than me I hope it won't be a problem.) Both of our laps are repetitions and 80% unnecessary wall of text. 


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:05 PM

I'm not concerned with how extensive a post is. The sentences included have a purpose with addressing anything that the opposing party may have claimed. I will respond to it accordingly.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:18 PM

Now I'm at a loss on what I should do especially now that I cannot post my original reply for being too long  :unsure: (Maybe I should pm you the reply?)

 

Oh well, short and simple, my main point in the original reply was: I don't think Tsunade has a higher possibility of fighting more than Sakura.   

 

That's all. Nothing special  :zaru:


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:31 PM

Now I'm at a loss on what I should do especially now that I cannot post my original reply for being too long  :unsure:

 

Oh well, short and simple, my main point in the original reply was: I don't think Tsunade has a higher possibility of fighting more than Sakura.   

 

That's all. Nothing special  :zaru:

 

How so? The Team 7 and neo-Sannin dynamics of her character role have served their purpose. The battle has taken a turn for the worst with only the sturdiest and most powerful having any conceivable hope of being able to match these godlike beings in their prime. Moreover, Kishi has been consistent with distancing those with less than adequate fighting arsenals and having them maintain constant observation of events progressing before them. He practically confirmed that they're all waiting for a moment to pounce when Akatsuki is vulnerable last chapter, Sakura included. 



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:09 PM

And when they pounce, who do you think is gonna be one of the individuals playing a more vital role out of the mix? Sakura is definitely up there and her role isn't over. She pulled out because of the fact that she's healing. Looks as though she's still healing even now since she's using the same hand seal? She has strength that rivals many jutsu. Lets see how Kishi uses her from here on out. I wouldn't be surprised if she had another jutsu or technique at this point.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:28 PM

 

How so? The Team 7 and neo-Sannin dynamics of her character role have served their purpose. The battle has taken a turn for the worst with only the sturdiest and most powerful having any conceivable hope of being able to match these godlike beings in their prime. Moreover, Kishi has been consistent with distancing those with less than adequate fighting arsenals and having them maintain constant observation of events progressing before them. He practically confirmed that they're all waiting for a moment to pounce when Akatsuki is vulnerable last chapter, Sakura included. 

Tsunade is probably still recovering. She stopped being cut in half like 10 minutes ago. I don't think she's gonna throw herself out there again vs. Neo So6P. If either of them were to fight then I think Sakura would be the logical choice between the two/three of them. Ha. Haha. :sweat: :argh:

I'm actually a little confused as to what Kishi is trying to accomplish. His last two chapters have pretty much been all Naruto and Sasuke wanking. Which is due I suppose since they really haven't tag-teamed since the Team 7 days but it's impossible to not notice the same pattern of Sakura just kind of sitting there, especially after she said she wouldn't. She said she'd fight. Healing /=/ Fighting.

People think she's going to join them because she said she would. Why would Kishi have her make that huge speech and then sit there obnoxiously? :confused: Yeah, she's helping. But she isn't "fighting". There is the possibility that she's torn between 2 roles and feels she is needed where she is right now which would mean someone needs to come alleviate her from that role I.E. Tsunade. It makes me wonder WTF Shizune is doing ATM but whatever.

Essentially, if Tsunade shows up and doesn't take on the role of General/Medic it really wouldn't make any sense considering her condition and the fact that she's Hokage. Not to mention she already had a Crowning Moment of Awesome where Sakura is still waiting for hers.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:39 PM

Tsunade won't take Sakura's place in healing and that's it. Tsunade will fight like the other Kages will. Same goes for Sakura. Sakura won't stand still all the time in the same spot. She will join the alliance when they engage in the fight, or she will engage in the fight on her own in another moment.

 

She has to do this, or else when the parallel will took place, it will be shot directly afterwards confirming the parallel with no precedent action taking place. In other words, it will be lame for the plot. There's no other choice for Sakura than to just take a next step in action then the parallel will be set up well for her, and will be awaited to be canonized.

 

That's my take on how I see the upcoming storyline for her.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 04:39 PM

Tsunade won't take Sakura's place in healing and that's it. Tsunade will fight like the other Kages will. Same goes for Sakura. Sakura won't stand still all the time in the same spot. She will join the alliance when they engage in the fight, or she will engage in the fight on her own in another moment.

 

She has to do this, or else when the parallel will took place, it will be shot directly afterwards confirming the parallel with no precedent action taking place. In other words, it will be lame for the plot. There's no other choice for Sakura than to just take a next step in action then the parallel will be set up well for her, and will be awaited to be canonized.

 

That's my take on how I see the upcoming storyline for her.

Yeah, I'm really not too sure about this. The kages are still beat to kitten and Tsunade was literally in pieces. I don't think you just bounce back from that at 100%. I see them taking a more "General of the Army" position.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 04:41 PM

they were all beaten to the brink of death and just barely saved only moments ago. do you really think they are in any shape to fight?


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 04:47 PM

^If you go by logic, you're right.

 

But considering how easy it was to put Tsunade together and that they all look fine, we can't count on it.

Sometimes Kishi follows logic, but if he really wants something he can kitten it up.

 

Though the least the Kages could do is to hold off Madara, he keeps Hashirama so busy and we need him. :3


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 05:06 PM

^If you go by logic, you're right.

 

But considering how easy it was to put Tsunade together and that they all look fine, we can't count on it.

Sometimes Kishi follows logic, but if he really wants something he can kitten it up.

 

Though the least the Kages could do is to hold off Madara, he keeps Hashirama so busy and we need him. :3

The kages are only alive because Madara just didn't care enough about them to kill them.

 

The 5 kages were the strongest people in the entire world at the time, and all five of them working together was nothing but a way to pass the time for Madara. Unless  they use some kind of "give up your life to do something cool no jutsu" then I doubt they have any chance of holding him off let alone defeating him.

 

I think at this point Hashirama, Tobirama, and maybe Obito too are the only ones who stand a chance against Madara.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 05:06 PM

^If you go by logic, you're right.

 

But considering how easy it was to put Tsunade together and that they all look fine, we can't count on it.

Sometimes Kishi follows logic, but if he really wants something he can kitten it up.

 

Though the least the Kages could do is to hold off Madara, he keeps Hashirama so busy and we need him. :3

 

 

This would make Karin one of the most amazing healers alive and she didn't even develop anything. She just lets you take a chunk of her. I don't know, by all accounts it doesn't make sense and if they head straight back into combat at 100% I would put it in "asspull" territory.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 05:28 PM

And when they pounce, who do you think is gonna be one of the individuals playing a more vital role out of the mix?

 
That depends on who Kishi wishes to assume the forefront of the attack. The most sound decision would be for Killer Bee to assume his bijuu form and launch an attack of his own since he does happen to wield the single most destructive technique of anyone in his group. Is that realistic though? No, but to argue that either of them will somehow take the leadership position of these men is inconclusive speculation. 
 

Sakura is definitely up there and her role isn't over.

 
In all likelihood it isn't. Her distinguishable moment seems to have become interlaced with the observers. A moment of opportunity will be seized not just by Sakura but by everyone who was instructed to maintain a constant focus on what is playing out in front of them. Kishi has been building up to that moment for some time now. The moment when they will pool their strengths together collectively in order to launch a potent attack against the enemy. 
 

She pulled out because of the fact that she's healing. Looks as though she's still healing even now since she's using the same hand seal?

 
Remote healing has not been used through the usage of any other handseal besides Ram and that appears to be the gesture she has her fingers adjusted to. But who can definitively argue that she will attack using her own strength?
 
The Kages were finally able to earn Madara's recognition and admittance that they are worthy of the  title through their ability to improvise and create a noteworthy battle maneuver which would have incapacitated him were it not for Perfect Susanoo. At the forefront of this was Onoki with Tsunade enhancing his Jinton to much greater proportions. Perhaps Sakura will do the same by increasing the strength of Bee's Bijudama. It comfortably ties into her status as Sannin apprentice and it could be used as a metaphor that Sakura has surpassed Tsunade's ability to increase the size and force of an ally's attack. By extension, it reinforces her role as someone with incredible supplementary capacities.
 
Perhaps Sakura strengthening Darui's attack many chapters back was a foreshadowing of her eventual role alongside Killer Bee, another Kumogakure shinobi and jinchuuriki. 
 

She has strength that rivals many jutsu. Lets see how Kishi uses her from here on out. I wouldn't be surprised if she had another jutsu or technique at this point.

 
It's not intrinsically plausible unless Sakura took it upon herself to learn and/or develop other jutsu separate from her studies under Tsunade's tutelage. Still, this is Kishi's story, anything could be made or done, anything is conceivable. We'll see what happens in the upcoming chapters. Although caution and skepticism have always been a virtue. Considering his track record, it's not very likely IMO
 

Tsunade is probably still recovering. She stopped being cut in half like 10 minutes ago. She stopped being cut in half like 10 minutes ago.


Doubtful, her reservoir of chakra was returned to manageable levels and no comment was ever made that she still needed time to recover. That's the beauty of this universe's medical capabilities and feats. You can continue engaging in combat for hours at a time even after having just recovered from a mortal injury. Kakashi and Naruto are shining examples of that.
 

I don't think she's gonna throw herself out there again vs. Neo So6P.


If she and the Kages were to fight anyone, it would be Madara. Closer personal associations with his character and the vow they made that they would be the ones to defeat him have a stronger binding than their mutual disagreement with Tobi's intentions for the world.
 

If either of them were to fight then I think Sakura would be the logical choice between the two/three of them.


Well the logic you used is being put into question with all of the medical accomplishments that have come before Tsunade's body being reattached together. If these were dictated solely by cold, unabated logic then everyone would have already collapsed from hours worth of constant fighting. Even if they were taking soldier pills their minds would be still weary and their fighting abilities would become sluggish.

Ironically, Raikage commented on Tsunade's fighting ability waning as they were contending with the Susanoo army. Even after she had released her seal and would therefore have all the chakra she would ever need for her attacks and healing ninjutsu at her disposal.
 

I'm actually a little confused as to what Kishi is trying to accomplish. His last two chapters have pretty much been all Naruto and Sasuke wanking. Which is due I suppose since they really haven't tag-teamed since the Team 7 days but it's impossible to not notice the same pattern of Sakura just kind of sitting there, especially after she said she wouldn't. She said she'd fight. Healing /=/ Fighting.


Naruto and Sasuke are the primary focus because they're the only ones with the means to fend off Tobi's onslaught; and they are the two central protagonists of the story. Nothing contradicts that a dualistic rivalry of ideology and ability has been occurring since the beginning of the manga. If anyone else were to try and intervene besides Hashirama they would be killed.

Sakura chose her role for herself. She finds it more important that the Alliance shinobi are able to survive rather than serving as a third combatant. Honestly, I don't begrudge for wanting to do that. Despite Tsunade's explanation that she needn't refrain from fighting as well, Sakura understands that her abilities would be put to the greatest use if she can restore the injuries of as many shinobi as possible. That takes a greater amount of introspection and knowledge about one's personal character than almost anything else IMO.
 

People think she's going to join them because she said she would. Why would Kishi have her make that huge speech and then sit there obnoxiously?


That's just how Kishi operates the course of his manga. Any character is able to make a worthwhile speech that details how they will perform this or that action without doubt and with the perseverance that they succeed. These moments and their duration are varied however. They can be hugely impactful and lengthy, or fleeting and without too much consequence.

Take for example the first battle with Zabuza. Naruto remembered the assurances he made to the others and himself that he would not cower in the midst of his enemy. He resolved himself to fight and put his differences with Sasuke aside to work together in freeing Kakashi from the water prison.

Despite the significance in that moment and how much growth it suggested that Naruto's character had made, it was only a chapter's worth in length. Sakura's moment was actually longer than that by a margin. But the point is, the worth of a person's contribution isn't exclusive to how long it lasts. It's how you make it worthwhile that is most important.
 

Yeah, she's helping. But she isn't "fighting". There is the possibility that she's torn between 2 roles and feels she is needed where she is right now which would mean someone needs to come alleviate her from that role I.E. Tsunade. It makes me wonder WTF Shizune is doing ATM but whatever.


Personal turmoil hasn't been implied. Sakura understands what her role is and she seems to have resigned herself to whatever fate Kishi has in store for her. I needn't go into much depth about the discrepancies between what Sakura and Tsunade can do in combat. That topic has been discussed so many times now that I could practically blind myself and throw a dart randomly at any post that I want to use that addresses how those two stack up against each other.
 

Essentially, if Tsunade shows up and doesn't take on the role of General/Medic it really wouldn't make any sense considering her condition and the fact that she's Hokage.


Any efforts to protect the Kages and keep them from battling directly on the frontlines became null and void when they chose to fight against one of history's most formidable and dangerous figures by themselves without any reinforcements.

Nothing implies that Tsunade's condition hasn't already stabilised when her chakra supply was replenished. As far as we know, the Kages are all in fighting condition and prepared to resume the battle once they reach the location where it's taking place.
 

Not to mention she already had a Crowning Moment of Awesome where Sakura is still waiting for hers.


See my point above concerning how a character's moment doesn't need to be long for it to have meaning.

From what can be inferred, the time for rookies and Sakura to engage the enemy so they can display how they have matured individually has already passed it seems. The battle is reaching its climax with the Kages converging to try and assist in defeating Tobi and Madara.

Both the rookies, Sakura, Killer Bee, Mifune, and everyone else is at the ready for to make their attack against Akatsuki with their collective strength. That has been the main emphasis of this entire arc. Not forgetting your comrades, working beside them as a team to bring about change both within and outside of battle.

This final struggle is the culmination of all these different people coming together, their ideals, their convictions, everything about them is dependent on how they act to bring an end to this war. In that respect, none of them are any different from each other. When they strike, they will all go at it as a team.

It's a common technique seen in stories like shonen that Kishi has been making great use of.

Edited by Atheck, 06 August 2013 - 06:08 PM.





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