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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:05 PM

These quotes are a few pages old but...

Shikohuehuesumthin' comfirmed as the land of Slugs. It's on.

xD Nice. But for sure, I think this was mentioned for a reason. Unless it wasn't obvious at first that it's the home of the Slugs, and he wanted to clear that up. :headscratch:

Sai is more a member and friend to Naruto and Sakura than Sasuke has ever been.

Couldn't agree more.

Can someone explain me what can justify Naruto's and Sakura's devotion to Sasuke when he doesn't give a kitten about them and their feelings ? The little bonding in part 1 doesn't justify this obsession, this is convoluted and forced . Sure Sakura keep on lying to yourself than just admit that the guy who treated you like dirt, tried to murder you various times and wanted to destroy your village and kill your family along is untrustable. I think Sakura and Naruto have a bigger mental issue than Sasuke has, Sasuke has a real trauma but Naruto and Sakura don't have this excuse.
This just shows how much Sasuke is toxic to the other characters and to the plot in general : destruction of Itachi to make him a walking contradiction who lubbed too much his brother and a so called hero, destruction of Naruto who has been the biggest Sasuke's fangirl in part 2, Sakura's devolpment during part 2 totally ruined in part 2 because she still lubs Sasuke Kun, creation of 3 characters who have no real reasons to exist but who are just there following Sasuke like dogs no matter what he does to them or how bad he treats them and the last one which is the worst destruction of one of the best villains in the manga who is just turning to be a Sasuke's fangirl too, poor Oro. I dont need to talk about his negative influence on the plot which is nothing more than a sharingan feast, hatred, sharingan hax, revenge more hatred and now this crap about Hokage and change of new system.
In conclusion this manga needs to end fast so I can finally move on from my last terrible addiction.

come on I read a lot of japanese manga and nothing comes close to this crap, if at least team 7 had a real bond I could understand but that's hardly the case they were in the process of becoming friends but still had their issue and a long way to go before trusting each other fully but now it's all about unbreakable (and stupid forced and convoluted) are unbreakable even if it makes no sense. Am I supposed to relate to this drama ? Sorry I can't I just find them utterly pathetic and the 3 main characters are the worst main characters ever in their own personal way each one of them brings a new different brand of fail, at least they complement each other perfectly in that aspect. Besides you hardly answered my post but thanks for the answer anyway, to each his own I guess.
I am out, don't wanna ruin the party.


We're like on the same page here.

This part:

the 3 main characters are the worst main characters ever in their own personal way each one of them brings a new different brand of fail, at least they complement each other perfectly in that aspect.

Made me laugh my ass off. xD

No offense but that was a terrible comparison, Family is Family and most of the times they look up for each other, Naruto and Sasuke not only didn't have a good relationship Sasuke call him out on his obsession to save him many time, tell him his brother is Itachi and no one else plus he try to kill him many times and refuse to be his friend, so if there is one thing I'm extremely critical about Naruto character is his obsession towards Sasuke and the fact that he would willingly throw all of Sasuke crap under the rug and act like if nothing wrong ever happen, but he will go against anyone that commit bad things.
So to me when it comes to Sasuke Naruto becomes one of the most hypocrite characters in this Manga.

Yes, yes, and yes. My biggest problem with Naruto is the Sasuke aspect of him.

Other than that...

Like I said before, I can't wait to see Tsunade on the battlefield for two reasons: 1) she'll get to see how far her student, Sakura, has come (and with any luck maybe they'll kick a little ass together) and 2) she'll get to see her grandpa Hashirama!! :D I can't wait to see how Tsunade reacts to seeing him again and what Hashirama's reaction to seeing his granddaughter all grown up is (it's bound to be cute!). I wonder if he knows about what Madara did to her... If he doesn't know yet, I hope he gets angry if/when he finds out.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:00 PM

I have a question... Why do you guys thought Tsunade would die? Given her character, she has to see Naruto become Hokage because that's the bet of her life.

 

Well, Tsunade IS known for her kitten luck when it comes to making gambles of any kind. >:3 



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:36 PM

I have a question... Why do you guys thought Tsunade would die? Given her character, she has to see Naruto become Hokage because that's the bet of her life.

Sakura's matureness will be handled, in my opinion, by getting off Sasuke, not by Tsunade dying.
@Don-kun, yes.
Ass pull or not, it shows us that the animal trinity are sages in their respective ways, so it's logical. It's not like Naruto can be the sage of them all. Not to mention before Kabuto, Orochimaru actually tried to become a Sage himself, he was just an imperfect one, that's all.

Tsunade should've died from blood loss. :P

 

She should at least be dizzy, she was in two pieces for a few hours.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:53 PM

 

I think so as well!

 

 

 

This poster is very interesting to me because I do not know what the relationship of Hashirama's forehead symbol and the Haruno clan symbol? What is the meaning of it?

 

I do not believe Kishi has forgotten Sakura's genjutsu, although I see forums saying that it has been forgotten. That skill will come very useful to her and I think he will highlight it again. Soon.  :dance:

I also don't think Kish has forgotten Sakura's genjutsu. After all, these recent chapters proved that Kishi NEVER forget his foreshadowing. 

 

Haruno Clan Symbol (1 time)

Genjutsu (4 times)

Axe (3?times)

Surpassing Tsunade (2 times)

 

These have all been foreshadowed so prepare yourself for the almighty Empress Sakura to make her sexy entrance to the battlefield once again   :hehehe:


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:05 AM

I don't think Sakura is going to do Genjutsu herself, but she may resist strong Genjutsus later on. :3 There are so many Uchiha bad guys there so.. x3 I think her talent in Genjutsu consists more of disabling/resisting it, rather than performing it.

 

I also think she will directly interact with Sasuke again, I don't know how long Sakura, Shikamaru, Sai etc can keep their mouth shut about their suspicions.

 

 

I think the main point for Tsunade saying that had Oro changed Jiraiya would hav survived is a couple of things:

 

1. It reinforces the Sannin paralell as Naruto said that if Sasuke doesn't change then when they fight one of them will die.

 

2.It's another way for Naruto to surpass Jiraiya, and for Sasuke to surpass Orochimaru by changing his ways in time to save his friend. [even though Sas-gay ahem... Sasuke doesn't deserve it in my opinion.]

 

3 But most importantly that Sasuke has not changed bc Naruto is the one who is supposed to change him.

That's what I said, I know their convo has a message behind it. I just don't like that Kishi used Tsunade to point it out. I didn't like that it came out of her mouth. Jiraiya is dead and you can't keep thinking "what if we'd done something different?". Now is not the time.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:10 AM

I don't think Sakura is going to do Genjutsu herself, but she may resist strong Genjutsus later on. :3 There are so many Uchiha bad guys there so.. x3 I think her talent in Genjutsu consists more of disabling/resisting it, rather than performing it.

 

I also think she will directly interact with Sasuke again, I don't know how long Sakura, Shikamaru, Sai etc can keep their mouth shut about their suspicions.

I agree. Dispelling genjutsus is probably what Kishi is going to go for. She's already done it before. I wonder if the moon plan somehow does succeed and Sakura gets to be one of the key elements to stop it. That'd be awesome ^^

And I hope they do act soon about their suspicions on Sasuke. I really want to know what Sakura really thinks and what she will do about it >_<


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:25 AM

No offense but that was a terrible comparison, Family is Family and most of the times they look up for each other, Naruto and Sasuke not only didn't have a good relationship Sasuke call him out on his obsession to save him many time, tell him his brother is Itachi and no one else plus he try to kill him many times and refuse to be his friend, so if there is one thing I'm extremely critical about Naruto character is his obsession towards Sasuke and the fact that he would willingly throw all of Sasuke crap under the rug and act like if nothing wrong ever happen, but he will go against anyone that commit bad things.

So to me when it comes to Sasuke Naruto becomes one of the most hypocrite characters in this Manga.

I am gonna have to agree as well, but perhaps maybe that is the point.

Every hero in no matter what story seem to have this friend or comrade that just affects them more than usual. Not sure why. It's like Batman and Superman. You'd think these would never get along, but they do and both seem to care for one another more than they care for others. It is not really explained why, but they just have this chemistry. I guess this is why it seems only Batman and Superman can truly kill each other (or at least why people think they do.)

That fact that both Naruto and Sakura have this huge hang up on Sasuke despite such things as a close-bond might be the reason within itself. I do find it a bit unnerving at times and at other times I just wanted to rip my hair out from the stupidity, but it sort of makes sense if you think about it. It's not really known why Naruto and Sakura are just so...worried about Sasuke all the time and at the same time it is a flaw that plays to their weakness. Maybe the journey is to overcome Sasuke. As frustrating as it is, it just might be the point,. Although I do agree at times it seems rather ridiculous.

I remember writing posts about how Sasuke is Naruto's biggest flaw because he is willing to go against most of his preachings for this guy. Naruto at times almost seems like he is willing to risk the whole village for Sasuke's sake which is bad. I even brought this up with Obito and Naruto. Obito is Kakashi's best friend and is basically the Naruto and Sasuke relationship of the previous generation yet Naruto seems like he has no problem killing Obito without thinking about Kakashi's feelings. Yet when someone tries to kill Sasuke without his permission, he gets uptight about it. Hypocrite, indeed. You'd think he would try to save Obito too so Kakashi can have his friend back as well, but he seems to not even try. We also have times when he was so willing to sacrifice his life for Sasuke, but never thinking about living for Sakura. Kind of selfish seeing as she wanted him to live.

I once said: "It is so easy to die for what you believe, but not so easy to live for it."

Sakura, however, is not as bad. I think she has grown past it and now doesn't really know what to truly think. Now, I think she is just doing it for Naruto's sake and lies because she is "leaving it to Naruto." Naruto seems more hung up about it than she is.

 

I am not sure if I like the concept. I know it is done on purpose, but sometimes it seems like Naruto puts Sasuke, who doesn't really deserve it, above everything else...even his own life. He goes so far as to fight with the ones who care about him for Sasuke's sake and hates anyone who says different about Sasuke. It sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. Like if Sakura said something, he gets mad at her even though she may be the only other person who might understand the situation just as much as he does or even understand it more. It also didn't help she kind of fueled it in part one with the POAL, but eh drama is drama.

Sasuke has been the one thing that brought NS together, but also the thing that keeps them apart. If Naruto learned to live a life without Sasuke, then it won't be as bad and maybe that is the lesson to be learned here. It's the fact that characters are unwilling to accept and live on without the thing they cherish most that causes problems.

Naruto needs to learn one of the greatest lessons in life. The difference between what is right and what is easy. (Not for the obvious reason that SS has a chance, but rather because Naruto won't live his life until Sasuke is dealt with. he even says himself "How can I when I can;t even keep my promises?") If saving Sasuke puts danger to every other person in the village, than what is more important? Will Naruto know what the best course is and is he willing to sacrifice Sasuke to save the entire village if need be?

No doubt the ending will have Naruto save both, but sometimes life is not that forgiving. It is one thing or the other and there sometimes is no other choice than that.

 


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:27 AM

 

Well, Tsunade IS known for her sh*tty luck when it comes to making gambles of any kind. >:3 

When it comes to her money, only, not her life. 
Whenever she put the bet on her life, it was a totally different thing.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:29 AM

Omg ramenanmitsu!!!! Seriously with that bet of yours?! Ew I am not looking forward to that!! ; P

And about sakutas strength...man...shes a hella of a strong woman..

So the strongest of the ninjas of the new gen are:

1.sasuke
Neji, although now hes gone, so hes not in the picture.
2.Naruto
3.sakura
4. I believe it was lee of shikamaru
5. Shino

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:50 AM

Omg ramenanmitsu!!!! Seriously with that bet of yours?! Ew I am not looking forward to that!! ; P

And about sakutas strength...man...shes a hella of a strong woman..

So the strongest of the ninjas of the new gen are:

1.sasuke
Neji, although now hes gone, so hes not in the picture.
2.Naruto
3.sakura
4. I believe it was lee of shikamaru
5. Shino


Actually at naruto's current stage he is stronger than sasuke. Sasuke needs some sort of power boost to take on naruto if he wants to win

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:16 PM

Actually at naruto's current stage he is stronger than sasuke. Sasuke needs some sort of power boost to take on naruto if he wants to win

But currently due to Naruto's condition Sasuke is stronger, Naruto is exausted of fighting too much, and he's not at 100% condition like Sasuke.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:37 PM

This is just a thought but if what if the Byakugou is actually an incomplete form of Slug Sage Mode? As we are all aware the seal is a high concentration of chakra that is positioned on an individual's forehead. Well this presumption alleges that perhaps the chakra utilized in the formation of the seal may have in fact been natural energy intermixed with physical stamina and spiritiual essence to create sage chakra. Furthermore, the auto-regenerative abilities of Byakugou's activation would correlate to Hashirama's injuries being suddenly healed after entering SM.
 
The second quality which Byakugou and Hashirama's SM appear to have in common are the markings on the foreheads of the respective users. Both have a stark resemblance to the Urna, the propitious pineal eye of Buddha that is capable of looking past the mortal universe into the divinity. Is this just a coincidence? You could argue that it is but bear in mind that Madara commented on the similarities between Tsunade's technique and Hashirama's ability to self-heal (http://i.imgur.com/xiw1wbK.jpg). Is it really just a fortuitous resemblance to her grandfather's medical practices which she inherited? Or do they both originate from the same natural source? You have to admit that the markings do look quite similar, especially since they're on the foreheads of their respective users.
 
Something else I would like to bring up is that both Orochimaru and Jiraiya strove to become sages in native habitats of the creatures they created a pact with. With the recent chapter's confirmation of Shikkotsu Forest being the habitat of the slug summonings there is now the probable existence of a Slug Sage Mode. Why would Tsunade not develop an interest in senjutsu as well? It's a very lucrative field of study; one which the medical techniques and practices that she knows would greatly benefit from. It would also correspond to the equilibrium aspect of the three Sannin which Kishi has emphasized all throughout the manga. She may also desire to follow in her grandfather's footsteps by acquiring senjutsu.
 
This may sound odd to some of you but I believe that perhaps all of the Sannin are in a state of being where they are constantly gathering natural energy. Think back to the physical attributes of the snake sage. Does the shading around Orochimaru's eyes not resemble those markings? Now as it was stated in the manga he traveled to Ryuchi Cave to try and master Sage Mode but he couldn't because he lacked an adequate body that could sustain himself through the trials of the learning process. However, would that prevent him from being able to gather some quantity of natural energy? Orochimaru was the creator of the Curse Seal and as we all know it gathers natural energy from the world around, granting a sort of quasi-SM which would account for Sasuke's ninjutsu being more powerful whenever he entered the state, his resistance to being flung into the hard surface wall of the Valley of the End, as well as the enhanced reaction and agility which he displayed when fighting Zaku.
 
If Orochimaru could liberally distribute natural energy gathering seals to children whom he happened to encounter then why would he be unable to gather that energy himself? Not only that, if Orochimaru is to eventually return as an antagonist when what could possibly make him strong enough to battle against Sasuke or Naruto? A perfected SM is the most likely tool and with Zetsu's Senju DNA he may be capable of mastering the form now. Unless he left the Kage group to go to Ryuchi Cave in order to recommence with his training then he should already the process for how to create sage chakra.
 
The shaded encirclement around Orochimaru's eyes which spans down the sides of his nose bridge in a ridged pattern, the tear-like markings that run downward from Jiraiya's eyes, and finally the diamond shaped concentration of chakra on Tsunade's forehead. All of them are potential indicators of natural energy accumulation, are they not? Well for Orochimaru there is a sufficient amount of evidence to reinforce his aptitude for passive acquirement of nature's force. But then with Jiraiya during his battle against Nagato there's a certain anomaly which challenges the validity of this theory. As he is preparing himself to summon Fukasaku and Shima he bites his fingers to draw blood and then marks his face (http://i.imgur.com/wKnPsoU.png) as a contract of sorts which the 3rd Databook references (http://i.imgur.com/BvvEXbF.jpg)
 

This would lead us to believe that the markings are intentionally preserved on Jiraiya's features as a precautionary measure should he ever be placed into a combat situation where he feels compelled to summon the two frog sages. If this is true, however, why did the design and amount of blood strokes on his face vary during earlier periods of his life?

 

http://i.imgur.com/DlKG8Ue.png - Does anyone here notice the variances in length of Jiraiya's markings? When he was a child (presumably 6 years of age if he began the bell test immediately after graduation from the academy) they extended halfway down his cheeks before coming to a halt. It's odd that he would already have a small portion of the markings already drawn on himself when he has only just graduated from the academy. Unless he decided to mark himself for some other undisclosed reason for this to be rationalized Jiraiya would have had to have started senjutsu training when he was 6 years of age or younger. The toad sages did refer to him with a few puerile nicknames which would indicate that he's either being treated as someone of a lower status (the context of the Japanese honorific "kun" would be applicable here) or they're expressing a form of endearment because they have known him for so many years. Personally, I believe that the latter explanation is more logical.

 

When he is summoned to the Great Toad Sage years later as what appears to be a teenage Jiraiya the markings have apparently shortened but since the art style has changed so dramatically over the course of the manga you could attribute the discrepancies to his redesign in P2. Now for the militarily outfitted Jiraiya (who resembles someone in their twenties) it would seem that once again the markings have lengthened to frame half of his face. Naturally as one progresses they hone their abilities and become more powerful. His ability to gather natural energy and the amount that he can store should have improved as he matured into an adult. 

 

Lastly, we come to the Jiraiya we all know and cherish. By this time the markings have extended down to the lower margins of his face and have widened to form a geometric pattern. Could this be an indication that he has fully mastered the natural energy gathering process similar to Orochimaru? It would seem that Jiraiya may have been abiding by a training routine that's comparable to Sakura's. Instead of being able to quickly access large reserves of natural energy like Naruto he was forced to gradually acquire it over the course of his childhood as he was an imperfect sage much like Sakura was inexperienced with developing the Byakugou seal and required three years before she could complete it.

 

It's the most logical explanation that I can create to account for the markings. If they were only segments of a necessary pattern to formulate a unique contract on his face then why did Jiraiya wait so long to continue drawing blood for this process? Does the contractual formation require large periods of time to complete? For what reason would it take so long though? I understand that Jiraiya chooses not to maintain the full blood contract because he finds it to be visually unappealing but why could he have not drawn the geometrically shaped markings when he was a child? He goes about his business with those markings on his face every single day and the fact that it only appeared to lengthen as he grew older with no acknowledgement of repugnance implies that he didn't really mind it.

 

Whilst we're on the subtopic of Jiraiya's markings there's something else I would like to present as evidence. It appears that with the greater amounts of sage chakra he acquires his appearance and personality become more animalistic, which inadvertently causes the shaded encirclements around his eyes, one of the primary indicators of senjutsu usage, to overlap with his blood markings. Thus causing all of his face except for the mouth region and his nose to become overspread with these peculiar cosmetic shadings.

 

Here, let me arrange a development chart of the growth of Jiraiya's markings:

 

http://i.imgur.com/VL2i2PS.png - As it was addressed above the shaded areas around Jiraiya's eyes overlap with the markings darken the majority of his features. It appears that it may have even thickened the markings slightly in the third stage. How does this demonstrate that the markings are directly related to sage chakra?

 

http://img.mangastre...to_379_pg10.png, http://img.mangastream.to/manga/naruto/379/Naruto_379_pg12.png - Well as the fight with Pain continued after the other realms unexpectedly appeared behind Jiraiya to remove one of his arms the shading which coated most of his face in the 4th stage was removed and it regressed back to the appearance of the 3rd stage. Not only that, the serrated teeth are missing as well. How could that be though? All Jiraiya did was lose one of his appendages. Unless the amount of sage chakra in that arm helped to provide him with that facial colouring then I fail to see why this regression would occur since Fukasaku and Shima should still be gathering natural energy for him.

 

http://i.imgur.com/P83KDx1.png - Following Shima's departure from the fight SM has apparently been deactivated as Jiraiya's pupils are seen in their normal state and he no longer has the physical imperfections associated with his SM. Interestingly enough his facial markings have returned to stage one of the above chart. Fukasaku should still be channeling natural energy to Jiraiya so why would he be unable to maintain SM? And what about the markings? Perhaps they were washed off as he was swimming underwater. However, why would those additional symbols be removed and not the ones trailing beneath Jiraiya's eyes to the frame of his cheeks? Could they be irremovable? Perhaps they're similar to Orochimaru's acuminated marks lengthening down the sides of his nose and Tsunade's Yin Seal?

 

http://i.imgur.com/9eN2XFk.png - The colouration is off by a few shades but the general redness of Naruto and Jiraiya's respective features is there. These variations could be the product of Naruto being in a perfected state of SM whilst the lines are just indicators of untapped natural energy or "faulty" sage chakra made. Also, can you see the wart on Jiraiya's nose? That wasn't there when he was a child. The wart is common characteristic of an imperfect Frog Sage. Could his experimentation into senjutsu at a young age have caused that? He didn't seem to have it when he was a child but as he became a teenager it appeared on his face; and yes, the wart was there in P1 as well so it's not a trait that Kishi provided during P2.

 

This may just be an over analysis of a simple aesthetic feature which Kishi decided to give to Jiraiya. The contract he made with his blood may not even be related to the markings. All of this is just hypothesis. However, there is one thing that I do know and it's that the second stage of the chart I made above does have some sort of relation to being to SM as Jiraiya seemed to need it for the summoning of the two sages.

 

http://i.imgur.com/IGCNxtc.png - Notice something oddly similar to a certain panel of Hashirama's? Humourously enough the markings on both of their faces somewhat resemble one another. Why would Jiraiya require sage chakra to summon Fukasaku and Shima when he has conjured up so many frogs before with just his ordinary reserves? This random theory only deepens the mystery behind certain aspects of the Narutoverse. Or does it? I may be overlooking certain statements or panels that already addressed this.

 

Now as for Orochimaru we understand that he has been experimenting with his body for some time. The final product of his research, as Sasuke put it, was the assemblage of white snakes to form a single creature that holds Orochimaru's consciousness. But is the hue of his eyes really just a snakelike quality that he acquired through the experiments? To me, it's highly unlikely since he was depicted as a kid with those marks and animal-esque slits for pupils (http://i.imgur.com/Ml5nk5A.png). Unless he was already modifying himself at the tender age of 6 when his heart was still dedicated to seeing his parents once again then there must be another cause for these peculiar traits.

 

http://i.imgur.com/qaG8kXt.png - There really isn't too much variation in Orochimaru's markings that can be seen. In P2 the hue may have become more pronounced and it seems like that there was some lengthening and widening down the sides of his nose but nothing as drastic as the tear-like symbols that Jiraiya had.adorning his face. The most valuable information acquired from this is the three tomoe on Orochimaru's clothing resembling the Cursed Seal of Heaven. Could it be foreshadowing of its eventual role in the story as one of Sasuke's weapons? Or is it a reference to the natural energy gathering properties of the form?

 

Interestingly enough despite Orochimaru's *former* inability to learn SM his markings look quite a bit like the pattern on Jiraiya's eyes as he is using Toad/Frog Sage Mode (http://i.imgur.com/KGKB7uE.png).

 

We finally come to the person who is perhaps the most significant and interesting character of this conversation, Tsunade. I already presented my theories concerning Byakugou at the beginning of this post but I would just like to add that unlike Jiraiya and Ororchimaru her seal never took form until she was an adult.

 

http://i.imgur.com/MIg58d1.png - All throughout her life Tsunade was never drawn with the Yin Seal in existence on her forehead until after the 2nd Ninja War. If anyone has any panels or information that refutes this claim then please offer it as counter evidence.

 

After looking over some of the flashback panels of the Sannin when they were children and taking into consideration the above theory I am going to stay that they may have first been introduced to senjutsu when they were 6 years old. Each of them could have been designated a specific summoning class to centre their studies on or they may have chosen the animal which they felt they had an affinity towards. Oh, but that begs the question of why Hiruzen or any Konoha teacher for that matter would allow their infantile students who just graduated from the academy to partake in an activity as dangerous as senjutsu training. Would they even have the chakra reserves necessary to attempt it? Well that's where the gradual natural energy accumulation theory comes into play. As for the ethics behind it all well you have to keep in mind that this a world where children from a young age are instructed on how to think and act like a military force would; essentially they're child soldiers who must suppress their emotions even during the most traumatic of situations lest it interfere with their duties and they are killed by their enemies. Yes, even Naruto and his generation, despite what they may argue, have to do this in some capacity otherwise their apprehension or uncertainty would cloud their judgement.

 

Teachers like Guy and Kakashi taught their students incredibly hazardous techniques that could very well have killed them. To believe that Hiruzen would permit his squad to train at the sage locations isn't entirely unrealistic although I couldn't fathom a guess as to why he would allow Orochimaru to join the snakes when their customs and practices are considered to be "evil" by the standards of the Narutoverse.

 

Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Orochimaru should be capable of acquiring a basic understanding of natural energy and sage chakra. For the boys the markings of senjutsu practice would have already appeared on their persons with Orochimaru appearing to have greater success as he was capable of attaining the ocular characteristics of the snakes. On the other hand, Tsunade's natural energy gathering indicator comes in the form of a seal that will only materialize after enough chakra has been gathered. Since it would require several years for her natural reserves to increase and with the necessity of her medical expertise in a world war Tsunade may not have quite as much chakra to allocate to the seal as she would be capable of without those hindrances.

 

Yet another aspect that can attest to the SM and Sannin trinity are the focal points of the individual animals that they are taking after.

 

Frog - Emphasis on strength, offensive ability, and physicality in general

Snake - Emphasis on sensory perception of the world around and the instilling of life into the lifeless

Slug - Emphasis on the implementation of the mind and imagination to a person's abilities that allows them self-preservation

 

The Slug Sage Mode basis is assumption and probably contains some errors relating to the source material or inspiration for its emphasis.

 

So in conclusion how exactly does this correlate to Sakura's seal or the possibility of her acquiring SSM? Well the single most important aspect of her new abilities is that her seal was provided an entirely different name compared to Tsunade's mitosis jutsu; as opposed to what Narutopedia would lead someone to believe. Is their article about the White Strength Seal accurate? I noticed that they're no longer differentiating between it and the Yin Seal?

 

Anyways, a second significant condition to factor in is that Sakura has yet to release her seal. Will it create the markings on her body that are associated with Byakugou jutsu? Or will it be something else entirely?

 

http://i.imgur.com/Fxw5Lwd.png - This probably has absolutely no relevance to the matter but has anyone noticed that Tsunade's nail colouring is the same as her seals? It's probably just a coincidence though I think Sakura's fingernails/toenails were coloured a sea foam green at some point in one of P1's cover pages. Could it be foreshadowing what her seal's intended colour will resemble? But even if the colouring of the seals could vary due to trivial details like the shade of person's nails how would that individualize their abilities? At best it's only an indication of what Tsunade and Sakura's chakra colours are.

 

That's it for over analysis. Much of this is just presumptuous speculation over abilities and ideas that have yet to even be confirmed. It wouldn't be a surprise to learn that several informative panels from the manga completely debunk these theories. I just really want there to be an explanation that affirms our suspicions of the Sannin counterbalancing each other not just through their summonings but through their own respective Sage Modes as well. Perhaps it could somehow verify the possibility of Sakura's personal SM.

 

http://i.imgur.com/dtPd53C.png - One other random comparison of panels image was of Tsunade in Byakugou and Jiraiya in SM. The markings are similar in placement and proportions but Tsunade's lacks the shading around her eyes.

 

If there are any errors then I apologize.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:55 PM

Holy kitten atheck you're onto something and I am at work and cannot read it all!

Willr ead it afterwards but you're definitely onto something!And I think [from what I managed to read, that you're right!]


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:02 PM

My mouth literally dropped from how long that post is, but I feel this must be read.

 

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:18 PM

By the way atheck... SSM and Hashi's SM... We know Hashi's one is Mokuton Senpou... Aka trees. Trees makes forests, Slugs lives in forest. And their habitat is the Shikotsu forrest, so I am sure they have something in common. That's why I believe that the SM Hashi possesses is Mokuton not SSM. And I did post a thing previously where I found a interesting theory about Tsunade's Yin Seal being an imperfect Sage Mode, which highly connects with what you said there

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:30 PM

But currently due to Naruto's condition Sasuke is stronger, Naruto is exausted of fighting too much, and he's not at 100% condition like Sasuke.


I meant in total not his condition now :P

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 06:13 PM

So did Sasuke actually get any powerups when he got the EMS? I know that he can use his eyes for longer and without any danger, but did he actually get a new ability? The only thing I can think of is advanced control of Amaterasu. Because if that's it, I have no idea how he's going to be able to match Naruto. 


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:50 PM

I am back!!!
Btw this is good chapter.
Oh the reason why sakura didn't get offensive genjutsu, because she will become op to the point that she can own brute front fighter like kisame, jugo, and tsuigetsu who vulnerable to genjutsu.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:02 PM

she can do that now already. They cant lay a glove on her, and if they do she regenerates it. Furthermore shes faster then near about anyone save Naruto or Lee, and Ill wager shes as fast if not faster then Sasuke now.

 

Add in her mastery of the 3 basic ninjusu which she uses quite effectively and the sheer fact that anyone she so much as grazes becomes a stain on the landscape.

 

Shes pretty well earned her spot as one of the most lethal and powerful shinobi in the series.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:59 PM

That's why I believe that the SM Hashi possesses is Mokuton not SSM.

Hmm... I dont think you could learn SM from a tree. :hehehe:

Also, I dont think slugs would teach him something like that. IMO, Hashi is slug Sage, natural energy just boosted his Mokuton abilities.

 

I mean, Naruto became able to throw FRS after learning SM, but that doeant mean hes some kind of Fuuton Sage, right?


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