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[rocci]

Thank you for the welcome.

Of course it deserves acknowledgment, but to say it is one of the most impactful is a little too high to hold it, it's significant, clearly, but doesn't hold a fraction of the weight as some others.

I don't mean to downplay it mind, though it may seem like such.

It start alliance to make effort to defend themselves and not rely to naruto.

[FoolishYoungling]

Hey guys ep.235 is a filler but it's not as if we needed that to know Naruto loves Sakura, there are more than enough proofs in the manga if people choose to ignore it it's their problem, they are simply setting themselves up for disapointment. If Kishi can't off panel Lee's or Ino's feelings he's not going to off panel his main character's feelings.

Yeah, but the topic started on the fact that the anime team is making it 100% impossible for Naruto to lose interest in Sakura. Sure it is 99.99% impossible in the manga, but the anime makes it 100%. Why .01% more? Because the anime team has had Naruto say he loves Sakura still. That way he couldn't be over her, meaning NH can't happen. In manga, it is 99.99% because he isn't over her, but he hasn't said it yet. Kishi loves his drama. Pierrot doesn't.

[Gwemba duh memBa]

I understand. It's just unfair how they want to downplay it to the point that it never happened. Plus, it did start the fire on the alliance, so you have to mention the root of all things in your review, big or small. It happened. Not targeting on you, just people who really don't see anything at all, and that's messed up.

I give you that, I agree many are downplaying it, far too many. But people, like OP, can be considered to be exaggerating the impact, as many believe her to be doing such.

Although I may be ignorant of such, I never heard of anyone bringing up Hinata's instrumental (Not saying Sakura's wasn't, but less so.) speech to Naruto. In fact, the only time I've actually heard of such is when a Sakura>>>>Hinata thread appears out of nowhere.

[Chatte]

Gwemba, weren't you on NB as well?

[Gwemba duh memBa]

It start alliance to make effort to defend themselves and not rely to naruto.

I apologise, I fail to see your point.

Anyways, I'm tired, it's late here, I shall talk later. Goodnight!

Edited by Gwemba duh memBa, 19 May 2013 - 11:12 PM.

[rocci]

@gwemba
Many acknowledge it, but I think it's enough for Hinata to get all the praise from her fan.
While on the other hand, whatever good thing sakura do, most fan will condemn not important.

Edited by rocci, 19 May 2013 - 11:15 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

I apologise, I fail to see your point.

Anyways, I'm tired, it's late here, I shall talk later. Goodnight!

The point of Chatte's thing there is to tell you the point. Didn't you read it?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If Hinata had been given the proper development I really wouldn't mind if she had been Naruto's love interest. I have nothing against her, she's just boring. Their interactions just don't make for interesting romance as there is absolutely no conflict other than Naruto friendzoning her. Maybe that would be enough if this were a shoujo manga and she were the main character and her main goal was to get Naruto to notice her.

To be honest Sasuke and Sakura holds more appeal to me than NaruHina. But again for SS to satisfactorily happen the story would have to be told in a very different way. I can see the appeal in never losing your feelings for the one you love no matter what life throws your way.

One way I could see SS happening is if Naruto, Hinata, and Sakura had been developed differently. If Naruto and Hinata had been given sufficient interaction for a bond of love to grow between them, Sakura's reunion with Sasuke wouldn't dominate the romance subplot and look so bad. Naruto would receive proper romantic development as the main character and Sakura could have the man she always wanted.

Yet another way I could see it happening is if Naruto didn't have strong feelings for Sakura at any point or was a few years younger than her and Sasuke. Naruto could still be the main character and do his thing and fans of the type of romance that SS is could get their wish.

Seeing as how Naruto is a manga that is light on romance (or maybe the romance is just more subtle) the only logical end pairing is for the hero to get with the girl he's always loved. Is it just me or do other pairing fandoms seem to put the interests of Hinata and Sakura before that of Naruto and Sasuke? At worst I see the story left open-ended pairing wise but for some reason I just don't think that's going to be the case this time.

Agree but if things were on this way there would be no NS to ship but the way that SS was portraited but more importantly how many times the message "Sakura! It's time to move on" is displayed though different types of scenes and hints, example, when Yamato perceive her dedication towards Naruto, when Sai tells her that Naruto loves her, the confession when she says that Naruto is better guy for her, when Sasuke tried to kill her(despite not being important to the plot because people seems to forgive and forget here) and later on 540 when a random filler guy says that the guy she loves must be a great guy.
We dont see that conflicts on Naruto we dont see anyone telling him to move on, or forget about Sakura, even Jiraiya he only stated that he should give up on Sasuke, any mentions on love, and so on...
About Hinata she was never meant to be someome who Naruto would have a love interest it's just some mistranslation from some biased NH fan.

Naruto doesnt have any conflicts on the love department he seems oblivious to it, the only character on the series who suffer with conflicts on this is Sakura and her parallels, Rin and Tsunade.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 May 2013 - 11:38 PM.

[TrueSacrifice]

@Dαrkrєrsŧ

NS could still be shipped like NH is now.

You're right that nobody has tried to sway Naruto away from Sakura, but only Sai has really commented on his feelings for her. It's impossible to tell if anyone else really knows or cares. Love is not a casual subject in Naruto's world it seems.

As for Hinata intended as the love interest being a mistranslation, that doesn't even matter. I was simply stating a way in which I feel that her character and a romance with Naruto could be interesting.

What do you mean Naruto doesn't have any conflicts in the love department?

[Gravenimage]

235 took place before the confession, so NH/SS fanbases can argue that it wouldn't matter until we see if he still feels the same about her. Of course he does, but you know them other fanbases and how they don't use any logic so they can have hope for their pairing still.

235 took place after the confession and before he arrive on the island to train with Bee.

[MangaReader]

235 took place after the confession and before he arrive on the island to train with Bee.

Kinda late to the party here (we already established that) ^^;

Oh well it was still a nice filler episode

Edited by MangaReader, 20 May 2013 - 01:22 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@Dαrkrєrsŧ

NS could still be shipped like NH is now.

You're right that nobody has tried to sway Naruto away from Sakura, but only Sai has really commented on his feelings for her. It's impossible to tell if anyone else really knows or cares. Love is not a casual subject in Naruto's world it seems.

As for Hinata intended as the love interest being a mistranslation, that doesn't even matter. I was simply stating a way in which I feel that her character and a romance with Naruto could be interesting.

What do you mean Naruto doesn't have any conflicts in the love department?

He doenst have any conflicts, it's kinda obvious and stated many many times that he loves Sakura and never questioned this love, unlike Sakura who does this basically every arc, Hinata is also like this, she loves Naruto but never questioned this, never thought about Naruto loving someome else or even thought about her feelings if Naruto loves someome else.
Obito also never questioned his feelings despite Rin loving someome else.

Sai's flashbacks only enforced this love and with the summit arc when Naruto got punched by those ninjas also stated that his love was really a real deal, since it made Sai take the decision to confess Naruto's love for him

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 May 2013 - 01:24 AM.

[TrueSacrifice]

@Dαrkrєrsŧ

I see. You meant that Naruto knows who he loves. Yeah I agree.

[Awes9]

Finally finished! http://chatte-georgi...onsidered#notes
Damn this took me 3 hours...

Just to say that I just read it and it was a wonderful read, I skipped so many things in the manga, seriously thanks for the time and effort. I advise everyone to read it it's really well done.

[redragon88]

So to me it's pretty obvious that Kishi has no intention of making people have a bad opinion about Sakura. Any form of hatred rests on the fans, not in Kishi. I'm not sure why would Kishi have an agenda to have people hate Sakura when he went out of his way to make her a co-protagonist in the first Naruto movie he ever created, Road to Ninja, and the fact that he even has a chibi keychain of her hanging out in his working desk.

Now that such is out of the way, if Kishi actually wants people to like Sakura and constantly makes references of how we should support Naruto, the character, and has never portrayed Naruto's feelings for Sakura as something bad that he should get over with, then it seems kind of implausible to think that we should be expecting to have Naruto change his feelings for her when he has absolutely no motivation to do so.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So to me it's pretty obvious that Kishi has no intention of making people have a bad opinion about Sakura. Any form of hatred rests on the fans, not in Kishi. I'm not sure why would Kishi have an agenda to have people hate Sakura when he went out of his way to make her a co-protagonist in the first Naruto movie he ever created, Road to Ninja, and the fact that he even has a chibi keychain of her hanging out in his working desk.

Now that such is out of the way, if Kishi actually wants people to like Sakura and constantly makes references of how we should support Naruto, the character, and has never portrayed Naruto's feelings for Sakura as something bad that he should get over with, then it seems kind of implausible to think that we should be expecting to have Naruto change his feelings for her when he has absolutely no motivation to do so.

Nicely said.

You know, it's the fans' fault for giving the wrong impression. Btw, I remember you asked me the question for podcast and luckily, we answered it. When it's uploaded, I'll let you know. I give the best possible answer. You'll like it.

[redragon88]

Nicely said.

You know, it's the fans' fault for giving the wrong impression. Btw, I remember you asked me the question for podcast and luckily, we answered it. When it's uploaded, I'll let you know. I give the best possible answer. You'll like it.

Good to know. I'll look forward to it then.

[Inferno180]

Something thats made me smirk a bit is how some said that the speech in 630 and how Naruto did not react to her should be a red flag to us and that he does not care.

I think just the notion of a simple parallel confirmation that may happen next chapter is driving them insane. If it is, it does not mean narusaku but it credits it a bit more only by the new generation type deal.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Something thats made me smirk a bit is how some said that the speech in 630 and how Naruto did not react to her should be a red flag to us and that he does not care.

I think just the notion of a simple parallel confirmation that may happen next chapter is driving them insane. If it is, it does not mean narusaku but it credits it a bit more only by the new generation type deal.

Because the focus was on her, her speech didnt affect Naruto at all, it was directly towards the alliance not Naruto while Hinata's speech was towards Naruto and affected him.
There was no reason for Naruto to react when her speech wasnt directed to him.

also about Madara = Obito, the problem was everyone knew it was Obito but due to timeline incosistences was difficult to accept it, but kishi despite all of this he made Madara = Obito and reworked the entire timeline of Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 May 2013 - 03:06 PM.

[bthug]

You guys know how in a pairing the couple usually goes through a "rough patch" maybe a huge downer and that makes everyone lose faith, but it just ends up being a good thing. Well my question is do you think this will happen to Narusaku, it seems kinda late in the game or do you think it already happened?

It could be argued that it happened already with the confession, which would just means it would be a good thing, cause couple need up and down. This could also be used against NH as it never had any "down" ( granted it never had any "ups" )

Also I have another question that is completely separate from the one above, that is, do u think Sakura will have to fight Karin? I mean Karin is kinda crazy, but I don't think it will happen, maybe just something I wanna see in my head lol.