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[StriderC]

It's crazy how much time he puts into boosting her fanbase, and showing her in such a disposition, but with Sakura, it's sooooo strange. I wonder if he knows how a lot of people feel about Sakura. Surely he knows how people took to the confession, and instead of working to sew that right up so people, he chooses to knock their interactions down a notch, and increase the interactions between he and Hinata. He's having her go all out for this guy, and he's constantly adding to it like it something grand will come of it. We've SEEN what Sakura would do for Naruto, and has done for Naruto but he halts it here for what purpose? To show a minor side character an appealing light? He gives up a CS, and nothing to back it up. I mean, really, what was the point? To throw Sakura fans a small bone while he continues to give Hinata fans full course meals?

I hope he's going somewhere with all this developments he's giving her. I'm sure since she's in front, we're gonna have to deal with more of her if he shows her fighting, and I wouldn't be surprised if she had some inner dialogue saying how she has to protect Naruto and all that jazz. I don't know why, but with her, it's getting old.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well, I wouldn't be surprised. Although I really hope this isn't the case.

Too, i opens a bad precedent, but it happened with two popular characters, Sasuke and Hinata both had crap writing on this arc in terms of development, with Sasuke being the one who at least can be explained better.

@Strider C i agree with you but with NaruSaku everything that could happen to boost their relationship already happened, the only thing left is for him to to make it canon, but i felt that he should had made Sakura fight Chyo-baa on this arc just that.

Also i felt that there was no reason for both Hinata and Sakura appearing now, only on that part where she healed Naruto but still i feel that he's doing this, keep giving Hinata fanservice and at the same time give fanservice to Sakura because of what he did with placing her on the sidelines.
We dont see Naruto giving chakra to her and even when Naruto made his speech to Obito on 628 Hinata was nowhere to be seen but Sakura was there with "Shannaroo".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 May 2013 - 06:44 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

It's crazy how much time he puts into boosting her fanbase, and showing her in such a disposition, but with Sakura, it's sooooo strange. I wonder if he knows how a lot of people feel about Sakura. Surely he knows how people took to the confession, and instead of working to sew that right up so people, he chooses to knock their interactions down a notch, and increase the interactions between he and Hinata. He's having her go all out for this guy, and he's constantly adding to it like it something grand will come of it. We've SEEN what Sakura would do for Naruto, and has done for Naruto but he halts it here for what purpose? To show a minor side character an appealing light? He gives up a CS, and nothing to back it up. I mean, really, what was the point? To throw Sakura fans a small bone while he continues to give Hinata fans full course meals?

I hope he's going somewhere with all this developments he's giving her. I'm sure since she's in front, we're gonna have to deal with more of her if he shows her fighting, and I wouldn't be surprised if she had some inner dialogue saying how she has to protect Naruto and all that jazz. I don't know why, but with her, it's getting old.

Probably just because, again, the foundation for her new behavior is really weak.

I won't lie, I'm hoping this Kakashi and Obito thing lasts a while so that we won't have to deal with this for a bit.

[swagosaurus]

Obito is becoming such a good character. Especially after this chapter.

[Don-kun]

For some reason i wish Naruto and Sasuke had a battle on a different place on a different situation, it seems bad for him to fight Sasuke right after defeating the Juubi unless if he wants to make Naruto so Overpowered that he will basically defeat Sasuke on few chapters and ends with Sasuke acknowledging him.
Time is passing and it's already May since Naruto is going to end on 2014 it's not far, i feel that he's probably rushing stuff to end the story soon, i'm already feelings that there wont be another arc, unless if he makes only a meeting with Sasuke and short fight and ends up with him leaving to other place.
and then start that team 7 "arc".

About Obito and Naruto well it's funny though because i revisited Sakura's confession again and she said she was happy because of team 7 and them shows her smiling with the team, on Naruto's flashbacks shows her similing too but thinking that she was happy because of Sasuke.
I might feel that Kakashi reveals that Rin loved Obito for some reason or not.


... I feel that he may thought "Hinata is popular so i can pull any crap of writing on her and they won't complain" which basically is happening i dont see them complaining, i don't see them complaining about 615 and 629 no matter how crap writing that was(nothing to do with handholding or whatever).

The most complaining comes from some NS fans and Anti Hinata fans, must of the readers are OK with this Hinata otherwise the complaining would be all over the place.

@NaruSaku4Life3g
No one knows how Kishimoto will write the story so it makes us all be part of the speculation game.
The different in how I tried to speculate the Manga and how I try to tied hints, events with what Kishimoto is showing us at the time, the way or I feel you speculate the story is a way how you could tied Naruto and Sakura getting closer or Naruto becoming the star character without anyone robbing his glory.

Your speculation is that somehow Madara and Sasuke will met, but to me two character always face of when there is some conflict between them, like Obito lying to Sasuke about the Kyuubi attack, assisting Itachi to kill the Uchiha clan, etc, but what ties Madara with Sasuke? Right nothing, so this seems more like you not wanting Sasuke to be stealing Naruto's glory.

Tsunade dead, we don't know if she will die or she will live, I see her role being stronger with her alive and her finally seeing someone she place her hope to become Hokage something the will finally give her that Satisfaction while being happy that someone who inherit Dan and Nawaki's dream became Hokage while thanking Jiraya for believing and helping her believe in Naruto.

You see Tsunade dying so Sakura and Naruto will be getting a hard hit allowing them to become closer is support of each other.

Hinata and the last wall of defence, I see hinata finally thanking Naruto for inspiring her to become a better person while believing more in herself, her father talking with her about the Hyuga head position, her little development with Naji opening her fathers eyes about all Hyugas being equal etc.

You see them being annihilated allowing more space for the team 7 reunion.

I believe that the way how I look on the story is a way how the most focused characters might achieve something good or satisfying after all this nightmare ends
and the way you look on this story is how other characters can sacrifice themselves for Naruto and Sakura.

I might be wrong and big time too, but honestly that is the impression I get after reading some of your post.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The most complaining comes from some NS fans and Anti Hinata fans, must of the readers are OK with this Hinata otherwise the complaining would be all over the place.

@NaruSaku4Life3g
No one knows how Kishimoto will write the story so it makes us all be part of the speculation game.
The different in how I tried to speculate the Manga and how I try to tied hints, events with what Kishimoto is showing us at the time, the way or I feel you speculate the story is a way how you could tied Naruto and Sakura getting closer or Naruto becoming the star character without anyone robbing his glory.

Your speculation is that somehow Madara and Sasuke will met, but to me two character always face of when there is some conflict between them, like Obito lying to Sasuke about the Kyuubi attack, assisting Itachi to kill the Uchiha clan, etc, but what ties Madara with Sasuke? Right nothing, so this seems more like you not wanting Sasuke to be stealing Naruto's glory.

Tsunade dead, we don't know if she will die or she will live, I see her role being stronger with her alive and her finally seeing someone she place her hope to become Hokage something the will finally give her that Satisfaction while being happy that someone who inherit Dan and Nawaki's dream became Hokage while thanking Jiraya for believing and helping her believe in Naruto.

You see Tsunade dying so Sakura and Naruto will be getting a hard hit allowing them to become closer is support of each other.

Hinata and the last wall of defence, I see hinata finally thanking Naruto for inspiring her to become a better person while believing more in herself, her father talking with her about the Hyuga head position, her little development with Naji opening her fathers eyes about all Hyugas being equal etc.

You see them being annihilated allowing more space for the team 7 reunion.

I believe that the way how I look on the story is a way how the most focused characters might achieve something good or satisfying after all this nightmare ends
and the way you look on this story is how other characters can sacrifice themselves for Naruto and Sakura.

I might be wrong and big time too, but honestly that is the impression I get after reading some of your post.

Noted. It's not that I'm afraid he will take the glory, though that would be messed up, it's just I feel like it's too easy and too good to be true. So I feel like there's something that will bound to happen. It's like you did everything good and it just feels too easy, only to find out the true plot. In this case, something will happen because again, too easy. Yeah, I might as well as just wait. It's been something I have been doing for a while, so why stop now.

[Gravenimage]

Kishi is obviously going for a closure for Hinata non-pairing ruling over her clan. Those minority of fans who like Hinata as a character will like it but the majority who are fans for the sake that she gets together with Naruto and not Sakura will obviously be upset but honestly it really doesn't matter her closure because she's a side character not important to the plot.

[Don-kun]

Probably just because, again, the foundation for her new behavior is really weak.

I won't lie, I'm hoping this Kakashi and Obito thing lasts a while so that we won't have to deal with this for a bit.

I don't know about this focus on Obito and Kakashi since I kind of get the feelings that Kakashi will be telling Obito something about Rin while somehow I feel Minato will be reinforcing anything Kakashi tells him since this seems more like a talking match instead of a deadly match, after all kakashi still haves Minato's special kunai.

So if that is the case I'm afraid that for your disappointment the focus will remain on the Alliance since it's too early for Obito to have a change of heart.



@NaruSaku4Life3g
There is a user on Naruto forum who always kept saying, Kishi is so obvious with his Manga that is not even funny, fans are the ones who keep creating all these scenarios where in the end they only get disapointed, he stated again and again, Obito was Tobi fans are the ones who usually complicated themselves when the evidence are right there.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@NaruSaku4Life3g
There is a user on Naruto forum who always kept saying, Kishi is so obvious with his Manga that is not even funny, fans are the ones who keep creating all these scenarios where in the end they only get disapointed, he stated again and again, Obito was Tobi fans are the ones who usually complicated themselves when the evidence are right there.

Who's that user? And yeah, it does make sense. I don't know. It's not that I'm disappointed or anything, but it feels like I'm in a trap.

[HauntedCake]

It's really funny because it's almost as if Naruto manga is now all about who naruto ends up with Hinata or Sakura and Kishi seems to acknoledge this with the recent chapters just being Sakura and Hinata trying to out do each other to show who cares more for Naruto. It seems the story itself has now taken a backseat to the pairing wars and the story is being bent around the romance not the other way around. Obviously Hinata has had stupid amout of focus recently and begs the question of WTF and why???

IMO, i think Hinata could be killed soon seeing as she is forming a wall to shield Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's really funny because it's almost as if Naruto manga is now all about who naruto ends up with Hinata or Sakura and Kishi seems to acknoledge this with the recent chapters just being Sakura and Hinata trying to out do each other to show who cares more for Naruto. It seems the story itself has now taken a backseat to the pairing wars and the story is being bent around the romance not the other way around. Obviously Hinata has had stupid amout of focus recently and begs the question of WTF and why???

IMO, i think Hinata could be killed soon seeing as she is forming a wall to shield Naruto.

I already answer this but to put it short, coincidence. Anyway, I wouldn't say she will die, though if she did, it makes revival plot way more obvious. Anyway, the least I see is her getting knocked out.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's really funny because it's almost as if Naruto manga is now all about who naruto ends up with Hinata or Sakura and Kishi seems to acknoledge this with the recent chapters just being Sakura and Hinata trying to out do each other to show who cares more for Naruto. It seems the story itself has now taken a backseat to the pairing wars and the story is being bent around the romance not the other way around. Obviously Hinata has had stupid amout of focus recently and begs the question of WTF and why???

IMO, i think Hinata could be killed soon seeing as she is forming a wall to shield Naruto.

No i dont think so, it's more who Sakura will ends up with who, Naruto was oblivious and didnt give any hints from him to give pairing drama like he did with Sakura and what makes it clear is when there's something romantic to happen Kishimoto sures draw background he srsly plays the scene and makes it meaningful(romantically), Sakura's confession had snow and a lot of things.

EX: Sakura's confession Naruto's thoughts were on Sakura and Sakura's thoughts on Naruto.
615 : Naruto hold Hinata's hand, meanwhile Naruto was thinking about Neji and talking with the Kyuubi.

Sakura becomes the center of the romantic plot to a point that every time she shows up people expect something to bring back the romantic subplot, the whole romantic subplot is her literally.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 May 2013 - 07:48 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Kishi is obviously going for a closure for Hinata non-pairing ruling over her clan. Those minority of fans who like Hinata as a character will like it but the majority who are fans for the sake that she gets together with Naruto and not Sakura will obviously be upset but honestly it really doesn't matter her closure because she's a side character not important to the plot.

Nothing but truth right there.

[KnS]

The fans of Naruto really inflate Hinata's contribution to the entire story. This chapter linked to the almost cataclysmic effect showed Naruto as a badass and a prime candidate for the office of Hokage. He managed to protect everyone from the blast ( something a Hokage must do defend the village but he protected everyone without discrimination) and the fact that that cloak looks like fire. We should wag our hat to Naruto for what he did, and really call him a true Hokage but no, the fans are only talking about what Hinata is doing. Naruto, Madara Obito Sasuke are the main players in this arc BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON WE AS FANS ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DISCUSS IS HINATA. She was featured in this chapter/ she wasn't featured in this chapter. And so forth. I saw Hinata but decided to ignore her and didn't give a second thought about her showing in this chapter and you know what I LOVED this chapter. Naruto was a bad ass, we also had a huge ammount of reveal regarding Rin. Talking only about Hinata feels so shallow. Compared to the actions of Naruto and Obito she just stood in front of Naruto and told the others to defend him. Good for her, it's not like Naruto doesn't deserve it.

I really appreciate every element of this comment. I think you're absolutely right.

And it shames me a little, to be honest, because despite my personal excitement over Naruto's actions -- the implications that he may command the loyalty of the Biju and that he embodies the Sage's ideology -- and the big revelation about Rin and the cat-and-mouse dynamic between Obito and Kakashi -- the only post I made was in response to the way even this community bangs on and on about Hinata. *sigh*

It's not really what I wanted to post about -- because I'm not interested in her role, and so far see no compelling evidence that she seriously contributes to the main events -- but I was hoping to offer some useful perspective on why Kishimoto might be doing what he's doing. In the end, however, it was truly a pointless exercise. Thanks for such a clear reminder.

In my opinion, the important events in this chapter were the panels of Naruto / the Biju / and the Sage, and the Team Minato stuff. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Kishimoto has in store for Naruto and his powers.

And despite what Obito says -- that his motivation doesn't have anything to do with Kakashi's failure and Rin's death -- by the symbolism that Obito himself creates by having Kakashi stab him through the heart with Raikiri -- as he did Rin -- he pretty much contradicts himself. The "wind hole" in his heart that Obito refers to later does have to do with Kakashi and Rin, otherwise there would have been no purpose to belabor the metaphor through illusion.

What does it all mean? I don't know. Kishimoto loves his parallels, and he makes it 100% clear here that Obito and Naruto are a parallel, but none of his parallels -- person-wise or team-wise -- are ever exact. He mixes and matches and adds new elements.

Kakashi's concern last chapter that Obito is manipulating Naruto like a "guinea pig" still bothers me. The situation and the dynamics between the characters are very complex. Kishimoto has at his disposal a lot of details and directions that he could use to further the plot and relationships. I think it's almost impossible to predict exactly what's going to happen in terms of resolution for Team Minato and Team 7.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Great post, KnS.

You know it's sad that I already said that the highlight was Obito/Kakashi, yet we are talking about the minor thing of the chapter, let alone a repeat what's been before, only situation is getting worse. Maybe that's why I was happy with Hashirama's flashback because no pestering about "Oh, she got the panel" or whatever. Just relax, ok.

Actually, I remember a joke that when the guy made a new video, the only thing people comment on is the new background.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 10 May 2013 - 08:09 PM.

[MangaReader]

Kishi is obviously going for a closure for Hinata non-pairing ruling over her clan. Those minority of fans who like Hinata as a character will like it but the majority who are fans for the sake that she gets together with Naruto and not Sakura will obviously be upset but honestly it really doesn't matter her closure because she's a side character not important to the plot.

Basically this, seeing as I've rarely ever met a Hinata fan who doesn't somehow get into a pairing argument. Best Hinata fans are those who ship her with other people then Naruto (and apparently Sakura, the equivalent of NaruSasu)

Edited by MangaReader, 10 May 2013 - 08:37 PM.

[Don-kun]

For the one who were asking where the heck is Bee,
Naruto Manga 628.
http://i34.mangapand...uto-4086367.jpg

The only character that seems to be M.I.A. is Sai.

[KnS]

The only character that seems to be M.I.A. is Sai.

Indeed. As I said earlier:

Sai, my favorite yenta, has been instrumental in filling the Team 7 gap left by Sasuke -- but by being a force of communication and unification for Naruto and Sakura, as opposed to the dividing force Sasuke had been. Although Relationship Counselor appears to be Sai's main role, I miss him in the current battle. Talk about a guy who is starved for even pity panels. I hope that when the dust settles on the battlefield he is not found dead. x__X

[StrikerTheNoble]

For the one who were asking where the heck is Bee,
Naruto Manga 628.
http://i34.mangapand...uto-4086367.jpg

The only character that seems to be M.I.A. is Sai.

Lol Bee is a lazy ass. Why doesnt he use his own chakra?

[Don-kun]

Indeed. As I said earlier:

Sai, my favorite yenta, has been instrumental in filling the Team 7 gap left by Sasuke -- but by being a force of communication and unification for Naruto and Sakura, as opposed to the dividing force Sasuke had been. Although Relationship Counselor appears to be Sai's main role, I miss him in the current battle. Talk about a guy who is starved for even pity panels. I hope that when the dust settles on the battlefield he is not found dead. x__X

I do believe that if Kishi doesn't kill him off them he will permanently be Sasuke's replacement.
For the old Team 7 to return, Sai, Yamato, Suigetsu, Karin and Jugo needs to die.

Lol Bee is a lazy ass. Why doesn't he use his own chakra?

Edited by Don-kun, 10 May 2013 - 09:59 PM.