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[Fenris]

There's no way you can call Sakura the heroine after this, that's just denial. No matter what Sakura does from now, IT will never top this moment. Hinata is the heroine deal with it

Lolwut. So Hinata made a speech and she's suddenly the heroine? What if Sakura gives her life to protect Naruto from Sasuke, or commits herself to the plan of stopping Madara --- it wont stoop that moment? Are you sure?

Edited by Fenris, 27 December 2012 - 04:15 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

That said, I know the manga is not over yet, and maybe... just maybe Sakura would get her due acknowledgement, from naruto and mangaka

It would be nice, though I personally prefer for Naruto acknowledging Sakura as a good and supportive friend. I do think that Sakura will still have her own moment before the manga ends. Whether Tsunade lives or dies, Sakura will react to that. If NH becomes canon, SS might, too, but either way Sakura will probably have role in the Sasuke confrontation. Also, if side characters are all getting their moment, surely Sakura will play some part, too. So I'm not critizising Kishi for Sakura's role. Yet.

[Codus N]

I was really disappointed in him too. Really, really disappointed. After all this time and all those people saying the same thing to him, that he would break so easily.... *shakes head*

If you would like, MS' translation is better in this regard:

http://mangastream.c...ruto/26074227/7

And here's my thoughts from the last 2 pages:

When you consider everything, Obito had the same dream as Naruto. To be Hokage so that he'd be acknowledged. Much like Naruto, Obito has been seeking acknowledgement when he was young. And it would seem that Rin may have very well been the first person to acknowledge him. When Rin died, Obito fell down into a spiral of hopelessness because Rin was the first person who ever acknowledged him in his entire life. It would be like Naruto seeing Iruka get killed in front of his eyes.

In fact, I think Rin was the only person who acknowledged him up until that point. Kakashi was at best implied, but he never outright acknowledged Obito to his face. So, losing the only person he loved and the only person who truly treated Obito more than an Uchiha who was expected to be elite drove him off the deep end. I think this is what makes his downfall much more understandable.

[Chatte]

There's no way you can call Sakura the heroine after this, that's just denial. No matter what Sakura does from now, IT will never top this moment. Hinata is the heroine deal with it

It's not over until the fat lady sings!

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

There's no way you can call Sakura the heroine after this, that's just denial. No matter what Sakura does from now, IT will never top this moment. Hinata is the heroine deal with it

Yeah. This is the attitude I just don't get. Why can't they both be heroines? What's with the competetion?

[Askia31]

Lolwut. So Hinata made a speech and she's suddenly the heroine? What if Sakura gives her life to protect Naruto from Sasuke, or commits herself to the plan of stopping Madara --- it wont stop that moment? Are you sure?

You can always wish.

But now as you can see Sakura pretty much replaced Hinata as the background character. you should give up


@poison

Yeah. This is the attitude I just don't get. Why can't they both be heroines? What's with the competetion?

I don't see how a background character could be the heroine but w/e float your boat.

Edited by Askia31, 27 December 2012 - 04:18 PM.

[Nate River]

Lolwut. So Hinata made a speech and she's suddenly the heroine? What if Sakura gives her life to protect Naruto from Sasuke, or commits herself to the plan of stopping Madara --- it wont stoop that moment? Are you sure?

I wonder what people think the herione of the story is supposed to be? Pairing fodder for the hero? I don't see why her status as herione is 100% dependent on her relationship with Naruto.

I just don't like the extended sidelining she keeps getting, but she is still a part of the Team Seven dynamic that is at the very base of the story. Hinata is a component of that overall story, but she really has no role in it other than her thread to Naruto.

Sakura is still the herione unless Kishimoto suddenly eliminates her from the conflict. Then I'd be more inclined to say the story lacks a true herione, as least as a role in the story, rather than just someone who makes the occasional herioc act.

It's not over until the fat lady sings!

Singin' right now.

But then you have to trust I am a lady and that I am fat.

[sushi.]

Don't wanna read all comments. It seems you're in a deep discussion here : DDD

I'll just write the same I wrote on youtube lol.

He has hugged one girl, held hands with another, and this is a shounen. A shounen shouldn't be that cheesy, and the pairings are decided in the last arc, in almost all series I've read. I don't know Kishi's game here. If we're lucky, Hinata got to hold his hand, now she'll be done with him. I just hope Sakura's wish will get true as well. Not only her, they'll all fight together this time, meaning she'll fight with Naruto. She's actually good at it, I hope to see team 7 cooperation.

I just feel like he made his plot, and now may erase it, but there are still "NS scars" that he can not take back. It's like making a painting perfect, but most people don't like it, so you erase it and the finished painting don't look so subtle and solid. It all depends on Kishi now, he can choose to turn his manga upside down or keep up with what I think he planned from the start. He even made a movie about Naruto and Sakura..

And to those who say Kishi's editor may make NH cannon, isn't he making the Rock lee manga? With full of NS hints??

One last thing. I've seen some members, not only in this thread, but please stop saying "HA! I was right! Told you so!"
It's just wrong lol :v

[primary colours123]

Hi,

You can always wish.

But now as you can see Sakura pretty much replaced Hinata as the background character. you should give up

Sorry, but my mom always says I never do things which have a "should" in it.

Hope fairy was the last thing in Pandora's Box after all, ne?

And wishes have moved mountains.

Take care,
pc123

[Codus N]

I wonder what people think the herione of the story is supposed to be? Pairing fodder for the hero? I don't see why her status as herione is 100% dependent on her relationship with Naruto.

I just don't like the extended sidelining she keeps getting, but she is still a part of the Team Seven dynamic that is at the very base of the story. Hinata is a component of that overall story, but she really has no role in it other than her thread to Naruto.

Sakura is still the herione unless Kishimoto suddenly elimaintes her from the conflict. Then I'd be more inclined to say the story lacks a true herione, as least as a role in the story, rather just someone who makes the occasional herioc act.

The biggest problem with the "heroine" of this story is that, from the start Kishi depicted her as shallow and one-dimensional. I could argue Hinata is the same as well, but she's definitely a tad better from her start and debut.

And THAT. Has been affecting the overall quality of the series. In other words, Kishi shot himself in the foot since day ONE.

The very fact that Kishi has portrayed Sakura as one-dimensional since day one has affected her character throughout the series. And the very fact he established Sakura's love life as her defining trait has forever since been detrimental to her character.

Edited by Codus N, 27 December 2012 - 04:26 PM.

[tricksie]

Yeah. This is the attitude I just don't get. Why can't they both be heroines? What's with the competetion?

But there is a difference in being heroic and being the hero. Rock Lee is heroic, but Naruto is the hero. Hinata is heroic, no question there. But she is not the heroine. And one chapter of focus isn't going to undo Sakura's lengthy history as series' top female character.

So it's not that you can't have both — Hinata and Sakura and Ino, etc., etc., are all heroic — but only one girl is at the top of the character list, and that's Sakura.

Sakura is still the herione unless Kishimoto suddenly eliminates her from the conflict. Then I'd be more inclined to say the story lacks a true herione, as least as a role in the story, rather than just someone who makes the occasional herioc act.

Completely agree.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

You can always wish.

But now as you can see Sakura pretty much replaced Hinata as the background character. you should give up


@poison


I don't see how a background character could be the heroine but w/e float your boat.

So her role has been erased? The fight with Chiyo never happened? All the moments of Sakura supporting Naruto, gone?

Two women enter, one woman leaves. Thunderdome!

[kidNinja]

There's no way you can call Sakura the heroine after this, that's just denial. No matter what Sakura does from now, IT will never top this moment. Hinata is the heroine deal with it

So after years of anticipation, NH/SS has FINALLY brought the fight to us on our own turf. Regarding your post, a few chapters in the spotlight =/= 600+ chapters, your "logic" is such a crock, it's not even worth making a LAP for.

Edited by kidNinja, 27 December 2012 - 04:26 PM.

[Nate River]

The biggest problem with the "heroine" of this story is that, from the start Kishi depicted her as shallow and one-dimensional. I could argue Hinata is the same as well, but she's definitely a tad better from her start and debut.

And THAT. Has been affecting the overall quality of the series. In other words, Kishi shot himself in the foot since day ONE.

I don't think that is a problem at all. I liked he did that at the start. It gave her room to grow as a person. Perfect beings who always save the day are boring.

I also don't think Sakura is one-dimensional. The problem is that he has trouble keeping her consistently active in the story. He has had no trouble with the other components of Team Seven.

[Chatte]

You can always wish.

But now as you can see Sakura pretty much replaced Hinata as the background character. you should give up

Asking someone to give up on a manga that preaches the contrary?
Seems legit...

[Codus N]

I don't think that is a problem at all. I liked he did that at the start. It gave her room to grow as a person. Perfect beings who always save the day are boring.

I also don't think Sakura is one-dimensional. The problem is that he has trouble keeping her consistently active in the story. He has had no trouble with the other components of Team Seven.

I pretty much agree. But I still stand on the opinion that her defining trait makes her seem so one-dimensional.

[Gravenimage]

I will stay with my theory that Kishi is doing this to force Sakura's hand. For her to finally make a decision and tell Naruto once and for all everything. 540 was a catalyst in her character it showed her doubting the real person Sasuke is and thus she finally started letting those remnants feeling for him go. I'm hoping watching Naruto holding hands with Hinata will trigger another catalyst one that will impact her character and finally open up her heart completely to Naruto.

Edited by Gravenimage, 27 December 2012 - 04:30 PM.

[kirabook]

Sakura is definitely still the heroine... but if the non-heroine outshines your efforts exponentially, then the mangaka is sorely lacking in the heroine development.

There should be no question on whether or not Sakura is the heroine. No one questions if Naruto is the hero of the story, why? Because Kishi has written him correctly to be the main hero. Rarely does anyone outshine his efforts and accomplishments. But with Sakura? She's the heroine alright, but all there is is doubt about her role.

There's not even doubt if the heroine will turn bad or anything like that, people are actually questioning whether she's the heroine at all. I feel that is a major major issue. Kishi has dug himself into a hole with Sakura's place in all of this. Yes, she's the heroine, but she isn't given nearly enough heroine attention when it really matters.

Edited by kirabook, 27 December 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[swagosaurus]

So beyond all this shipping nonsense, anyone else think Obito was amazing this chapter?

[Codus N]

I will stay with my theory that Kishi is doing this to force Sakura's hand. For her to finally make a decision and tell Naruto once and for all everything. 540 was a catalyst in her character it showed her doubting the real person Sasuke is and thus she finally started letting those remnants feeling for him go. I'm hoping watching Naruto holding hands with Hinata will trigger another catalyst one that will impact her character and finally open up her heart completely to Naruto.

But that would make her look desperate-looking. She's going to need to do something even bigger than Hinata did in this chapter. It could be anything really. But as it is now, what Hinata did seems impossible to top off. And I don't know what she can do about it. Whatever it is that she does, it would be before her "confession".