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[FullmetalNinja25]

Episode 10 in 3 Words.... --Click here to view--

Dante Basco FTW.

[alexander]

I'm not really buying this excuse people give for Mako, just because he is an teenager he gets to screw up as much as he wants, and still everything will end up fine.... no, not really. Are people forgetting that both Korra and Asami are also teenagers, same age as Mako, and they are still much more resonable than him? What about that? If they can be level headed, so he can. I'm glad Asami called him on his actions and proceeded to give him a cold sholder after he refused to be frank.

[Yoko]

I never said I was making excuses for him, but it's really an equal-sided arguement. And I think Mako doesn't act level-headed like Asami or Korra because he is, in fact, not Asami or Korra. He's Mako. A bit of a jerk sometimes, but hey, characters need to have flaws.

Just in case it wasn't obvious: Asami's reaction is completely justified, and even delayed. Possibly downplayed a bit. Mako hasn't even attempted to explain it and yes, that is wrong. I'm not excusing his actions.

I'm just not sure why everyone is focusing on Mako and his apparent doucheyness when there's just so much more involved with this show. Especially with this latest episode. :l

That said, I'm going back to playing Bioshock and being invisible.

[Chew]

I never said I was making excuses for him, but it's really an equal-sided arguement. And I think Mako doesn't act level-headed like Asami or Korra because he is, in fact, not Asami or Korra. He's Mako. A bit of a jerk sometimes, but hey, characters need to have flaws.

I'm just not sure why everyone is focusing on Mako and his apparent doucheyness when there's just so much more involved with this show. Especially with this latest episode. :l

That said, I'm going back to playing Bioshock and being invisible.

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Also, Zac, I find it a little difficult for you to understand my feels if you haven't felt any "emotional attachment" to the show or its characters. Also if you haven't felt such "emotional attachment", I don't understand how you uh, are frustrated with Mako. Also, you've disliked Mako for awhile, so the "for the moment" thing seems a bit weird. Correct me if I'm wrong

Edited by Pikachew, 17 June 2012 - 01:14 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

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Also, Zac, I find it a little difficult for you to understand my feels if you haven't felt any "emotional attachment" to the show or its characters. Also if you haven't felt such "emotional attachment", I don't understand how you uh, are frustrated with Mako. Also, you've disliked Mako for awhile, so the "for the moment" thing seems a bit weird. Correct me if I'm wrong

I understand because I've felt emotional about other shows before, so I know how it feels. And it's light frustration. I don't like him, but I'm not all "OMGIHATEHIMJDKFLJA" about it, like many people here are about the series in other ways. That implies that I'm not nearly as invested in this show as many other people are that are on this forum.

The "for the moment" thing is because...well, he's given no reason for me to like him so far. I thought he was alright in episodes 1-4. Then, things went downhill. Now, I just plain don't like him. It's "for the moment" because...well, there's still more episodes to come. Chances are that he'll learn from his mistakes and become a better person overall, but that has yet to be seen. So, for now, I'm not a fan of Mako.

Edit: I just noticed that I "because... well"ed twice.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 17 June 2012 - 01:33 AM.

[Chew]

I understand because I've felt emotional about other shows before, so I know how it feels. And it's light frustration. I don't like him, but I'm not all "OMGIHATEHIMJDKFLJA" about it, like many people here are about the series in other ways. That implies that I'm not nearly as invested in this show as many other people are that are on this forum.

The "for the moment" thing is because...well, he's given no reason for me to like him so far. I thought he was alright in episodes 1-4. Then, things went downhill. Now, I just plain don't like him. It's "for the moment" because...well, there's still more episodes to come. Chances are that he'll learn from his mistakes and become a better person overall, but that has yet to be seen. So, for now, I'm not a fan of Mako.

Loki doki

*is still suffering from major feels*

[Lid]

Season finale Korra will be like "Asami, get up top and call out scouts and positions, Mako, you can't let any equalists past the perimeter, anything goes past it turn it back or turn it to ash, Tenzin, we gotta bottle neck them, you got the air bending, blow em back, and Bolin... SMASH."

[CloudMountainJuror]

Season finale Korra will be like "Asami, get up top and call out scouts and positions, Mako, you can't let any equalists past the perimeter, anything goes past it turn it back or turn it to ash, Tenzin, we gotta bottle neck them, you got the air bending, blow em back, and Bolin... SMASH."

I love you.

[alexander]

I never said I was making excuses for him, but it's really an equal-sided arguement. And I think Mako doesn't act level-headed like Asami or Korra because he is, in fact, not Asami or Korra. He's Mako. A bit of a jerk sometimes, but hey, characters need to have flaws.

Just in case it wasn't obvious: Asami's reaction is completely justified, and even delayed. Possibly downplayed a bit. Mako hasn't even attempted to explain it and yes, that is wrong. I'm not excusing his actions.

I'm just not sure why everyone is focusing on Mako and his apparent doucheyness when there's just so much more involved with this show. Especially with this latest episode. :l

That said, I'm going back to playing Bioshock and being invisible.

Well, I'm not directing that comment especially at you, really, but a lot of people are using this argument. And we all know Mako is an bit of an jerk, he was like that since episode 2. The problem is that he needs to take his head out of his ass and man up to his problems. His overly indecisive atitude is extremely frustrating.

And sorry, perhaps I'm complaining too much about Mako, but it's just that this series is so great in all the other senses, that it annoys me to have an character spoiling that experience.

[Nee-sama]

I'll take on the birth issue. Common suspense technique to bring the pregnant woman into labor at the worst possible time. I won't defend it, and you don't have to like it.

My problem with the birth scene is the same for this show as it is for every baby delivery ever shown on any t.v show, movie, or book. They always do the same thing. Woman bends over in pain, automatically knows "the baby is coming!", and delivers 2 minutes later. KOA even went so far as to show a happy, smiling, interactive child that developmentally looks more like a 1 year old than a newborn. It's ridiculous. Laboring takes HOURS if not DAYS. Mama's often don't know they're in labor until hours have passed. Furthermore, newborns don't smile or reach for things. They cry and sleep onry. And new moms aren't holding their newborn babies fully clothed and looking beautiful as ever. Birthing a baby is hard, intensive work that makes a woman look like they've just been thrown by a tornado into the middle of a hurricane after staying up a whole day and night. We come out of it ugly, and the first thing we do is stress the beep out while we frantically try to learn how to breast feed!
So. Even if Tema had started going into labor as the action started, she would have still been in labor as they flew away on the sky bison.
Rant over.

[Lid]

My problem with the birth scene is the same for this show as it is for every baby delivery ever shown on any t.v show, movie, or book. They always do the same thing. Woman bends over in pain, automatically knows "the baby is coming!", and delivers 2 minutes later.

[tricksie]

I'll take on the birth issue. Common suspense technique to bring the pregnant woman into labor at the worst possible time. I won't defend it, and you don't have to like it.

My problem with the birth scene is the same for this show as it is for every baby delivery ever shown on any t.v show, movie, or book. They always do the same thing. Woman bends over in pain, automatically knows "the baby is coming!", and delivers 2 minutes later. KOA even went so far as to show a happy, smiling, interactive child that developmentally looks more like a 1 year old than a newborn. It's ridiculous. Laboring takes HOURS if not DAYS. Mama's often don't know they're in labor until hours have passed. Furthermore, newborns don't smile or reach for things. They cry and sleep onry. And new moms aren't holding their newborn babies fully clothed and looking beautiful as ever. Birthing a baby is hard, intensive work that makes a woman look like they've just been thrown by a tornado into the middle of a hurricane after staying up a whole day and night. We come out of it ugly, and the first thing we do is stress the beep out while we frantically try to learn how to breast feed!
So. Even if Tema had started going into labor as the action started, she would have still been in labor as they flew away on the sky bison.
Rant over.

yeah, I had a 27-hour labor. And then surprise complications after that. Seven days worth of them. I've completely given up on any realistic portrayal of the birthing process. So, I totally get what you mean — right there with ya' babe! I thought the same thing when I saw this episode! The first month they call the "tenth month" because you're still connected to the baby, just on the outside. Then the next two months are a blur. (ps - read on your blog about meeting some moms. So happy for you! It's so vitally important to connect when your a mom. Just because it's so easy to slip down into a hole of doing the same mind-numbing routines. So I'm really happy for you. I know just how you feel, and just how important it is! Go dancing! Have a mom's night out! Enjoy all that good time out!)

I know I said I was taking a break from H&E, but I'll just post one last thing....

I think Amon is --Click here to view--

Asami's mom

Edited by tricksie, 17 June 2012 - 04:02 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I know I said I was taking a break from H&E, but I'll just post one last thing....

I think Amon is --Click here to view--

Asami's mom

...interesting. That makes more sense than many other theories out there, at least.

[Lid]

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[Fox-And-Flower]

So i made a sketch for last episode, since I was at work and I needed something to pour out my feels into... So I drew Korra..


Episode 10 Gave me even more feelings and I think I just REALLY need to draw Lin now... And maybe Rohan, 'cause he's adorbs <3

[Lid]

THEY NEED THE HULK!

[rockwill]

Avatar state korra should be just a good

Edited by rockwill, 17 June 2012 - 04:50 AM.

[Lid]

I love you.

You know my secret Zac, I'm always angry...

[CloudMountainJuror]

Truth --Click here to view--

[krisk]

Why is that? I don't think it's bad that Bolin and Asami kept rational during this. If everybody freaked out like him during that episode, they might not have gotten anywhere at all into fiding Korra. I also don't know what they are going to do, since anything they do gonna get the whole fandom pissed, after adding Asami into the mixer and taiting everything. And well, it's not like I find all their interactions romantic, but some very few of them look pretty obvious like the damned hair stroke scene.

@asami and bolin
Because they're her friends and she may be dead? and I didn't mean "kept rational" I meant, "freak out more" - we didn't see jackkitten from them, despite what Bolin said.

also, Lin (former Chief of Police, who has extensive experience in investigative senarios) and Tenzin (her teacher) were there to take care of things. They have more than enough room to freak out - and yes, even more so after they did their job by confirming the first location to search in.

@mako
you're forgetting that, despite Mako seeming like a waste of space, it was because of his rampant emotions that they found out Tarrlok had Korra - not Amon. Threatning someone's life usually is the fastest way to get the information you need. Mako was willing to go to that extreme, in his mindset, and he did.

@interaction
that's my point. The fandom is so up-in-arms that Bryke have put themselves in a corner and have no choice but to go through with what they started. If they tried anything contradicting, the fandom would be pissed regardless.

Just as much as you can't understand why everyone thinks that way, I don't understand how can people think that what he is doing is normal for this situation. I think everybody set their minds about Mako. While you, Krisk and some others think he is being resonable and passionate, me and some others think that the guy is losing some screws and being out of line, and this divergence will continue till the end of times.

next time you name-drop me negatively, try to give me credit for the evidence I've given as to why I believe he's in the right for freaking out that shows I've got equal ground to stand on. It's not just because I "think" he was reasonable; I gave enough evidence to imply I know he wasn't wrong. I'm not just talking kitten here, I actually backed-up by claims. whereas "people like you" and "yourself" haven't given "our side" any reason to believe why he's out of line. Not one thing - you've just repeated that you DO, instead of WHY.

Oh right wait, it's because he's not Korra's official boyfriend. Yes, I gotcha. Sure, understandable. Hmmmm!

OH Hey thanks! Now that I've been educated, I'll let my half-sister know that the next time she's in extensive care after another extreme car accident and why I'm not freaking out, it's because she's not my full sister. Or hey! How about when my cousin's fiance gets mugged and is seriously injured again, I'll let him know the reason why I'm so chill is because he's not IN the family, juuuust yet. OR HEY, when my adopted twins get kidnapped down the line and after I find them safe, why I didn't tear kitten apart and threaten their kidnappers with death - it was because they're not my real kids.

thanks, without you guys I'd be so silly and emotional and not be taken seriously ever! gosh. <3

ps,
yeah I'm aware I'm being snarky but can you blame me? You're pointing fingers without considering the four that are pointing right back at you. Give me something to believe Mako was wrong, other than that irrelevance you provided before (i.e., no gf, no emotion). Convince me. If not, don't name-drop me in your "argument" again.


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this episode basically --Click here to view--

also some disjointed and very ineloquent thoughts:
- why are people so ANGRY with Mako? Seriously get over it - he's suffering from his characterization as a whole being overshadowed by the romance, repeating this fact isn't gonna change it. The vitriol is getting embarrassingly annoying; the romance is a SUB-plot. There are bigger things at stake here, and yet people keep throwing it in their posts. GUYS AMON IS HERE. THE UNITED FORCES ARE ON THEIR WAY. LIN IS GONE. TENZIN IS GONE. Who caaaares about how much of an emotional-idiot Mako is. jfc. He's still fighting, he hasn't run away - he's here to help, whether he's got the hots for the main character or not.

seriously can't we slap him for his failure to break up with Asami and then fist-bump him for that non-romantic kitten he did this ep? How about when he redirected that lightning? Or asploded Korra's parking tickets? That Mako's still in there, him having a girlfriend only his brain likes is what's having people hate him. Yes I mad, deal with it.

- speaking of Fire Nation, helloooo NURSE. goddamn my official and first ship of LoK is Korroh/Irorra sounds like a goddamn lion rawr rawr

- see this is why you shouldn't have unprotected sex: you go into labor during wars and then possibly die. don't do it kids.

- Asami was so sassy, I love it. I mentioned how I hoped Mako would get Seven Levels of Hell? keep it coming, Asami. Korra you too, hopefully when you find out that Mako's treating his gf this way you'll kick his ass while Asami sasses him summore. (Yes, I know I referenced Mako after I said not to, deal with it)

lastly, this thread is now dedicated to Lin. #mythreadmyrules #soldiersfarewell #datbeifongblood

seriously I'm gonna do a long ass krisk post and dedicate it solely to Lin. From her entrance as dat Chief of Police, to her leaving the force and thriving OUTSIDE THE LAW, to her sacrificing her life for the greater good. (but I'll pretend she chunked a rock at Amon's mask effectively cracking it, before he wiped her out. why didn't this happen? man...)

aka FEELS WAIFU ;_;

WHAT THE HELL OH MY GOD I AM SO UPSET. LIN...MY BEIFONG....ugh my baby got her bending taken away! UGH WHAT IS AIR. I hope that there's a way to restore bending because Lin- bending= less badassery which = less happy chew :<

But wow. That really was selfless of her. I definitely liked how this added to Lin's character development. In the beginning we saw a headstrong and stubborn chief of police, and now we see a selfless and kind-hearted person who's willing to sacrifice one of her most precious gifts (and Toph's legacy) to protect Tenzin and his family. GOD THIS WAS AMAZING BUT SAD :'(

god god dgoogogogogod i know i know bby i know. i wish i was there to console you HOLD YOU but but i needed holding too because kitten AMON.

it wasn't just "really" selfless, she just made the goddamn ultimate sacrifice. Seriously say what you will about de-bending/spiritbending but if that kitten right there wasn't implied as her sacrificing her life for Tenzin's life (yes life, his family is his life - Lin knew this before Amon.. ) then I don't know what to tell you.

God, Amon. Seriously - 1) Spiritbending/de-bending is seriously a mistake 2) Y7 rating be damned, we got ourselves a Sacrificial Lion here.

r-rip..

So I'm kindof a lurking member of this fandom and I'm not here to argue, but:

lololol, Spoilerz and vaguely unpopular opinions ahead! --Click here to view--

This entire episode was absolutely amazing. I know Mako gets a lot of hate, and it's honestly quite ridiculous. Dude is a TEENAGER. He's allowed to be confused about his feels and make cruddy decisions because of it. Am I the only one that was not expecting him to play the responsible adult when confronted about those bad decisions?

Because apparently, everyone else was. :l What, fandom?

Mako aside, THIS EPISODE WAS FANTASTIC. That scene with Lin and the MUSIC and the slow-mo and D: IF I COULD CRY, I WOULD. And just- Everything. I can't even go into it because I know others will do it for melolhaiKriski.

I mean, I just-- I have too many feels for this. Everyone got to be badass here. Can't we all just focus that, and, uh, the plot? ♥

Right, going back into lurk-mode. :3 *ninja's away*

this basically. I'd cry while fapping personally, but Yokochwan would probably just be like "PLS STOP" or throw me out of her room ;_;

anyway, seriously kitten is ricockulous. I'll direct attention to just why below probably because

I can't even go into it because I know others will do it for melolhaiKriski.

LOL summakitten. well now i can't not do it because you basically challenged me! bhahahaa okay, you win.

why the volume of hate Mako is getting is stupid as hell, in honor of yoko because yoko and waifu-chew because waifu --Click here to view--

You realize that most every MC has done SOMETHING that was wrong and LEARNED from it, right? Three so far have done stupid kitten, but only two have gotten the chance to better themselves in the show and infront of the fandom's firing squad.

So yeah, this hate is seriously inane because people seem to forget that yes, while Mako has done/is doing some reprimandable stuff, his time for redemption ISN'T HERE YET.

Two points I'll address:
- they are teenagers and teenagers learn this romantic bullsh** while, yeah you guessed it, TEENAGERS
- the other MC's did the same goddamn thing.

Teens:
What happens when you're older and you get into a situation like Mako's in? You don't go into adult relationships while hiding behind rationalization that may seem sound, but regardless is wrong - you do what's right and break up with the person you don't want to be with. And what is Mako? Definitely not an adult, in terms of romance.

Teens experiment, experience, etc. while they're teens so they know better. And Bryke was right in at least attempting this in this show. I'll admit that it wasn't the right place at the right time type of deal (this show is too short and tight for something like this to be handled appropriately) but Mako's situation is REALISTIC. Him receiving hate for being an idiotic teen who doesn't know how to find balance between his brain and his heart, and thus take the right actions is baseless because we've all been there.

Real talk - people tearing Mako apart are either being hypocritical or have no experience in real relationships. I said it, if you haven't had or at least been witness to this happening in real life, you have no room to judge this harshly.


Guess what, our other characters were douchebags too:
They were and what I'm finding hilarious is they didn't receive this much vitriol for doing something that rings like the same tune Mako is playing because of stupid outliers (i.e., favoritism or bias).

Korra:
she went out with Bolin, knowing FULL WELL the extent of his feelings. Be them unfounded, childish whatever - she knew he liked her but she still went out with him because she wanted to feel better after Mako burned her even when she didn't feel the same way about him. She used him. Douche-move confirmed. Another douche-move? She kissed Mako knowing full-well that he was spoken for (despite him confirming her feelings, she still should have held it in check). Douche-move 02 confirmed. But... wait, where's the Korra hate? Oh right.

Nobody really cared all that much about Korra because Bolin took up the brunt of the fandom's butthurt. That's definitely not fair. And as a result of down-playing what Korra did, our other character's (i.e., Mako) mistakes get more pronounced by the second. OH and because she's the MAIN character. Pfft, no that contributes heavily to favoritism, just as it did with Bolin.

Despite Korra being our main character, I recognized that Korra is capable of making mistakes. She's not perfect, and I acknowledged that fact when she disregarded what was rightfor what she wanted to do. (pay attention to this part, it's a reaccuring theme [disregard brain; acquire heart])

in other words,
Douchebag: Korra
Victim: Bolin
Victim: Asami


Bolin:
he's less aware of being a douchebag in this case because his actions are more influenced by his mentality of a naive man-child. Yeah burn her at the stake, nobody bad-talks my Bo! NOPE. I can do it if I want because I recognize what he did and will judge him for it, just like how Mako is now.

I recognize that Bolin disregarded the EVIDENT fact (i.e., brain) that Korra wasn't into him over and over again. He did the same thing Mako is doing now by DENYING what he knows is true. Korra showed no romantic interest in him whatsoever and even went so far as to outright friend-zone (i.e., brain) him, but he STILL lavished her with cute gifts and sexy words in the falsified hope (i.e., heart) that maybe she'll come around. He was an emotional d-bag for pushing Korra with passive-agressive Nice Guy-isms when Korra wanted nothing to do with what Bolin was implying and just wanted him as a friend.

Despite Bolin being one of the fandom's "most-loved" character, I recognized that Bolin is capable of making mistakes. He's not perfect, and I acknowledged that fact when he disregarded what was right for what he wanted to do. (pay attention to this part, it's a reacurring theme [disregard brain; acquire heart])

in other words,
Douchebag: Bolin
Victim: Korra
Victim: Himself


Mako:
now to our Number One Star who is SO lucky to be in the spotlight, amirite? pfft.

alright, so yeah if you didn't catch where I was going with this with my other examples above, idk what to say because it's pretty evident that all three situations are the same friggin deal - the only difference is that I'm recognizing and waiting for the soon-to-come redemption moment while the fandom is overplaying his ohikittenedup-moment. Just how it did with Korra and Bolin, but in the total opposite way (which is hilarious since I tend to like bustin' balls). Me, and some others are waiting for the inevitable while others are stagnating on what's happening now . God how can people not see it? Bryke is doing this intentionally - they're not stupid to their own goddamn obvious consistency in writing. Korra and Bolin were douchebags, Mako is too. Korra and Bolin learned, Mako will too.

So, I won't go into just how he faulted, since we all know extensively how he's being a d-bag - BUT people are forgetting that his being a douchebag is fitting appropriately in the equation setting him up for redemption, and as a result, are criticizing him too heavily for something they disregarded in everyone else (i.e., Korra and Bolin)

Yes, Mako is a douchebag for staying with Asami despite it being it wrong. Yes, he's fighting getting with Korra because it's what he wants. He's STUCK in that limbo of inner-conflict that Bolin and Korra got out of so quickly, and it's stupid as hell that he's getting such an over-emotional response for doing exactly the same thing his MC-peers did so easily.

When Korra went out with Bolin, she did it despite knowing it was wrong. When Bolin kept on pushing Korra, he did it despite knowing it was wrong. AND YES, whilst Mako stays with Asami for the wrong reason while loving Korra, he's doing it despite knowing it's wrong. See present-tense? It's because the thing that needs to happen hasn't happened yet to allow him to join in the past-tense group of the Redempted.

Speaking of that group, I'll tie-in the lucky ones and what they did to get out of the fandom's fire with just how Mako has to (and may very well get to) in the future.

Korra:
she LEARNED from her mistake and got her membership by seeing how much it hurt Bolin. Her wanting a straight-and-narrow short way to get what she wanted (i.e., feeling better) was outright shat on by seeing how much her inconsideration hurt Bolin. The dude was wrecked and that was partially her fault (say what you will, Bolin contributed).

Her disregarding what she knew was true for what she wanted to do, had her feel like an absolute piece of kitten - she paid for her mistake and got her redemption pass. AND I gotta say it's stayed with her perfectly; Korra hasn't done a repeat performance of "getting what she wants" for disregarding "what she knows is wrong" - Korra hasn't stepped in directly to manipulate the Masami to get Mako, whatsoever, and it's shown.

and regardless of her mere presence contributing to Mako's pissing lesson, she's not at fault for kissing Mako because she learned to step out of trying to "convince" Mako to leave Asami for her. She's paid for it by fighting temptation and she's done it beautifully - in fact, she GAVE UP Mako. That's tough kitten; she's done more than enough to have herself absolved.


Bolin:
he LEARNED from his mistake and got his membership, by goddamn having his heart ripped away because of what he allowed himself to do. Him pushing Korra in hopes that she'd come around only worsened the learning process, and he has nobody to blame but himself.

He first ignored Korra's dismissals, then he ignored what actually happened on their date and warped it to represent a relationship that was based on fantasy. After he witnessed the reality (i.e., Korra not interested in him; Korra kissing not him) of what he'd been avoiding, he took out his anger on people who were merely the victims casted onto a stage he had built. He was the hero destined for a happily ever after, Korra was his princess he casted without her consent, and Mako was the guy he rejected even be allowed to show up to rehearsals because he knew that guy represented the sole threat to his make-believe play. Bolin built walls around his fantasy that blocked out the actual reality, and when parts of the actual reality knocked down those walls, he was forced to face the fact: his reality is merely that, his. And only when Mako did in fact confirm his fears that his princess is an actress he casted opposite himself, did Bolin slowly come to terms with it.

He was allowed the five stages and came full circle to acceptance, and finally stepped back from a situation he had no control over. His denial ("oh kitten Korra isn't kissing me, baww") his anger/depression ("you're a brother-betrayer!), his sort-of bargain (i.e., his picking up the slack when Korra/Mako failed in that pro-bending match), and finally acceptance ("I'll get over it.")

And from then, with all of that said, Bolin hasn't propositioned Korra or even hinted to doing so, whatsoever. And I bet no one is more glad than Korra for this.

although I admit the sinking of Borra has kind of killed his character - but hey, if your character has depth solely from a romantic sub-plot, you better get him another love interest or you lose him forever. Bryke has failed to do this, so they probably shot themselves in the foot; Bolin's character development was solely from a romantic conflict, nothing else. Either they'll introduce someone for this guy or they'll k i l l h i m. Uhohs. (I'm not so cruel as to be okay if it happens, obvs, but if it does - from a literary stand-point - it'll probably be a good thing; put your weak character out of his misery, if you're not going to save him tbh)


Mako:
now obviously my predictions for how this will go is non-canon - however I'm basing my hypothetical situation on educated guesstimation.

Bryke saved the climax of this love-triangle until the finale, so I'll take that as a clue on the severity of Mako's lesson: Mako will lose both, and along with it the priviledge of choosing between them.

And that's the only way I can see him learning his lesson.

I'm merely taking into account of him wanting to avoid the obvious of doing the right thing by choosing instead of keeping both (not because of selfish reasons, of course [does anyone even think this?], but because he feels like he needs to save everyone despite his wants) and thereafter (as a result of the reason behind his hesitation being what it is) flip it by forcing him into a situation where he loses all previously obtained control. He'll lose the ability to choose which will ultimately be his mandated sentence into that goddamn painful corner of learning and redemption previously occupied by Korra and Bolin; he'll have no choice but to lose both what his brain and heart wanted, leaving him with nothing but a light of insight and regret.

We've seen it and it's pretty obvious - Mako needs to make a decision and this is the origin of his avoidance. Just like how Korra avoided the pain her friend would feel, and Bolin avoided the pain he'd feel, Mako is avoiding the pain Asami and Korra will feel when he DOES make the decision. In fact, his reluctance is slowly sucking out the power in his hands because that make-believe world he's created (as a defense mechanism) is slowly crumbling around him as the actresses realize they are, in fact, reading the lines he wants them to - and with the events that happened in EP10, he's slowly coming to this realization. His defense-mechanisms are firing like crazy (just as how Bolin and Korra's did) as they fight the uphill battle of inevitability for him.

also expanding on Mako's avoidance point:
Anyone who knows anything about Mako's character (or has read my long-ass essay analyzing what makes a huge chunk of him tick) will also know that he has this unavoidable need to PROTECT (and again treat this as a paradigm). Mako has always been, for the entirety of his life, the one with the duty to protect on his shoulders - be it as the Parent (Bolin's safety), the Caretaker (his and Bolin's financial security), the Boyfriend (Asami's emotional defense) - all roles his brain, with a large amount of experience, rationalizes as right, which overpowers the "selfish" call of duty that his heart feebly dictates (feeble because it hasn't had to fight a battle like this since Korra came around).

Mako again, is a sensible guy - a realist. And as a realist he believes two things:
1) while Korra's mental/emotional health (during her role as the Spearhead in the War) may benefit from his role as her OTL by having a bunk-buddy to help her er, "blow some emotional steam off", ultimately she doesn't need him to be with her. Him actually officiating his relationship with her would only expand on what they already feel for eachother, not confirm it. His rationalization is losing however, as he can't seem to accept this, while Korra herself has already acquiesced to.

2) the roles he's filling are more important than the role he, personally, wants to fill: the Love Interest (Korra). That role will benefit only them in the long run, considering the fact that romantic love (as Mako's brain has rationalized) isn't a role that a person needs to live (and definitely isn't needed to win a war). Mako's Brain has convinced him, all his life, that the roles befitted to him are more important than something as ...romanticized as a relationship completely based on feelings. Being Korra's "everything" is merely a 'want' for her (since she's not actively pursuing him), and as his brain dictates a 'want' for him as well.

However, here's the problem that Mako's having: his Heart is stepping up for once and it looks like it's putting up a fight.

Mako (and Korra for instance) have developed thus far as becoming very self-aware of what their hearts want and/or need juxtapositioned with the situation they're, personally, in. They're aware that yes, they have feelings for the other, that yes, they want be together however one huge difference - while Korra has rationalized she doesn't need to be with Mako to love him, Mako is finding it extremely difficult to meet her in the middle about this mentality.

I'm in alittle bit of awe now that I think about it.

Korra's growth is astounding; she's grown up getting everything she's wanted and when she can't get Mako, she was hit with a brickwall of inexperience and wtf-do-i-do

At first she floundered, she lacked that confidence that dictates her every move. Then she confirmed his hidden feelings and got more of that assurance in her power over him - she knew him, and he couldn't hide; the ball was finally back in her court. And when she failed to score, she fought dirty for him. Now, she's matured fully to realize that nah, she doesn't need to "have" him to actually have him. Mako on the otherhand, has been so used to not getting anything he's wanted (for himself) that he doesn't even allow himself to humor the thought. And then, he finds himself in a situation where he just can't dismiss it like he has before with Korra. He can have her but his pre-disposition is so heavily ingrained within, that he's finding it difficult to contradict how he's lived all his life thus far.


Anyway I digress, in other more scientific psychology terms about the Mako/Korra stand-off (bro i took ap psych 50yrs ago, trust me, bro):
Mako's Id (all of Korra) is warring with his Superego (Korra's life is bigger than you; Asami needs you more), and sooner than later we'll be given the long-overdue decree of his Ego (either love her from afar or confirm Asami doesn't need you as much as you think, and then be with Korra).

While we have our actualized Avatar: Korra's Id (all of Mako) has reached a truce with her Superego (you're the Avatar) by having her Ego (love him from afar; Asami needs him more) ending her pursuit of Mako, giving her enough solace to do her duty. Her Heart has called a cease-fire with her Brain as she simulatenously fully embraces her duty as the Avatar and loves Mako.


speaking of "roles" and kitten, someone in here implied that you need to be with someone to have your corresponding emotions validated and real - you don't. As we see demonstrated by Korra: she still loves him, yet she's not pursuing him or dating him. She's reached a very mature point in life - she let go of him because she's recognized his hard-to-let-go obligation to protect those who need him, and has made it easier for him to keep performing up to his self-inflicted duties, despite her knowing what he really wants.

Korra knows his heart more than he's struggling to know it himself. Regardless, it's up to Mako to either develop away from this ingrained mentality, or let his heart lose the fight.



oh and if you're here for Asami's portion in this whole "MC douchebag club", you won't find much - she came into the game fully developed so she's essentially perfect.
i.e., Asami:
she's not even a developed character so I can't do much with her. She came into play already built from head to toe and with this established, it's kind of hard to fight against her - she's perfect and had all those Bad Things happen to her, so judging her would be like judging Jesus.

I hate to say it but (for real, I love Asami even if) she's kind of a Mary-Sue.

Too bad though, I'm reluctant to call her out on her sassiness with Mako because she's really justified in acting this way - but I can understand what Mako meant; there is a war going on and as evident as his avoidance and indecision is exacerbating the romantic sub-plot, Asami's snark is indirectly pulling attention from the main-conflict (war) to the romantic sub-plot (Masami vs. Makorra) more effectively. It all depends on if you value the War as the 100% forefront (like Mako is trying to hide behind) or think that Asami should get her say, despite the romantic sub-plot rising in action.

...Although I guess I can fit her with a pair of shoes Bolin's wearing, because Mako was pretty obvious about his "straying" eyes with Korra in EP05 (when they first locked onto Korra in the first place). Idk if Asami noticed or not. Personally I think she did infact catch it, but played up the denial-fantasy longer than Bolin did/was allowed to.


aaaanyway, here's a tl;dr for the people I don't care about:
tl;dr if Mako does the right thing, we'll either see abunch of babies crying because Bryke waited this long or abunch of babies crying because they like to hate Mako - and everyone crying because Asami is Bolin 2.0 and will join the Equalists to finish off her inacceptance of Mako following Korra instead of her.



oh and I think I'm finished with this, but I feel like exploring some more of that defense mechanism/superego stuff. LET'S
nevermind i'm sleepy


ending notes:
- yeah i'm psychoanalyzing cartoon characters - a bit much? sure. but at least it's better than stating an opinion with nothing to support it
-'scuse the crassness; i gave up the professional tone because i'm kind meh about it - people keep taking my thesis statement and basing their argument completely on that, instead of the thesis "paper" itself

Yoko, I lub you. <3 /gives all the hugs

And yes...soon, mein waifu Krisk will come~

Uguuu I still can't get over the massive crapload amount of feels I drowned in this morning- IT WAS AWFUL. Quality of character development on this show just went up imo.

i agree!

LOL mein waifu. hawwwt

aw fuq i know same here, i can't handle this emotion i'm feeling for lin's defeat. it's mass effect all over again. :c

Agreed with bolded, but it didn't go up by very much. Lin was much further developed, and I loved that, but other characters are still incredibly one-dimensional (*cough* Mako, for example *cough*).
But, back on point, overall, yes, character development quality did increase in this episode, but not by too much.

don't much care for your irrelevant gripes about each episode, but this one.

Mako - he's losing to his emotions, that's his development. People have mentioned that they "miss" the old Mako? God, what? He was stagnant at best and if he didn't have anything to work with, we'd be stuck with him as is. Him falling deeper into his romance problems IS development because it's getting worse and he's getting hell for it FINALLY. Asami found out he kissed Korra back and didn't tell her. He's dirty little secret is out. (And Bolin was in the wrong for spilling it; it wasn't up to his brother to tell Asami, but Mako - Korra knew this and kept her mouth shut). Asami's starting to add to the fire and he's about to break. More on Mako above, but it's 300+ words so nvm

Asami - she's seeing the light of her "perfect" boyfriend. He's not what she needs and she'll soon have to decide if having what he represents (i.e., protection) is worth the pain of being alone with her situation (i.e., reality)

Tenzin - I'm going on guesswork here and am gonna say that because of his history with his Ex-Girlfriend, his friendship with Lin suffered greatly. When Tenzin picked up Korra from the police station way back when she was arrested, Lin was very cold towards him and he played to her appearance like he hadn't seen her in a while, but knew her very well. This tells me that their break-up was so bad, that they lost the friendship that held up the former love. In this episode we saw Tenzin's final acknowledgement of the strength of his friendship with Lin.

We saw him reluctant to ask of her to protect his family (Lin had already reached this point in her development, so she helped him along). He still had lingering guilt over him leaving her for Pema. Skip a lot of emotional and tension-filled conflict-based events and then we have Lin saying her final goodbye. Tenzin didn't stop her because he respected their friendship enough to accept her sacrifice. You heard it yourself: Lin is his hero. His goodbye was the final closing point in their history together as past lovers and even stronger friends. In fact, her sacrifice utterly dissolved his reluctance to "try again" and allowed him to fully take her in again - abit late tho, Tenzin?

Pema - she expressed jealousy and slight distrust when she walked out prior to Tenzin leaving for Republic City. It's obvious she's always had lingering fear about Lin/Tenzin's history and again, Lin's final sacrifice has sealed those skeletons for good - Pema's development is a positive off-shoot of Lin's and she's grown into fearing Lin's capabilities to respecting them, utterly.

Amon - I'm not even gonna go into Amon, because I'm assuming you didn't mean him in the "other characters" portion. If so, lol. Amon is highly decisive and plays his cards close to his chest. Him waiting this long proves that he's aware of his opposition's defenses and altered his tactics appropriately. He takes out Tarrlok, lets Korra go to spread the news (again), takes out the Council, works on Hiroshi's grief to contribute various mechs, and starts bombing the hell out of Republic City -- all when the walls against him are at their weakest. And if Korra doesn't realize his ultimate endgame-making move, she'll lose everything.

Bolin - he's the one who's lesser than the others, because he's so obviously used as the comic-relief it's goddamn painful. I'm surprised you chose Mako to decree unto your one-dimensional title, because he's at the forefront of one whole sub-plot - he's at the center. Bolin on the otherhand, is only there for one thing - assuage the tension by providing a joke. That's it. If I were to guess a role, he's about two or three clicks above Meelo farting everywhere.

(yeah despite the dude being an airbender and kind of crazy and his fartbending contributing to his fighting style, C'MON thats the lowest form of comedy evar gawd)


tl;dr (oh hey)
Lin's not the only one who benefited from this episode - her development was only the most important because of her retribution at the end. Her character's focus was sharpened merely because of the climax. Don't disregard building character development we've had for 10 episodes because they didn't die for it.

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