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#441 CloudMountainJuror

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 09:53 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 30 2011, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hesitate to post this because so much of it is redundant after 20-some pages of great posts, but for my own sake I'd like to put my thoughts in writing. Apologies in advance, long post is long.

Yesterday I ran across a comment in another forum stating unequivocally that since Hinata's introduction in the manga it has been "clear" that Kishi's intended pairings are Naruto/Hinata and Sasuke/Sakura. It boggled my mind how a seemingly rational person could make such a definitive statement. However, in an attempt to be objective I took some time to think about it.

Is it possible Kishi intends Naruto/Hinata and Sasuke/Sakura as the final pairings? Yes, at the moment it's still possible. Until the final panel of the story is published, anything could happen. Technically. But in order for those pairings to make any sense from a story construction perspective, in my opinion Kishi would have to do a lot of work yet to make it even remotely believable.

There are just some things I can't ignore:

1. Sakura is a sensitive girl who has literally been in the middle, influenced by the personalities, emotions, and goals of both boys from the very beginning. It should be no surprise that she loves them both, and could be very confused by what those loves mean.

2. Kishi has painstakingly revealed Sakura's heart throughout the story, contrasting the form of her feelings for Sasuke with the substance of her feelings for Naruto. It's a very important distinction, and one that takes time for a young girl to resolve.

3. Sakura may feel love for both boys, but only her love for Naruto is real, based on an actual dynamic relationship, and reciprocated. She is not stupid. She knows the difference, and she chose to confess her love for Naruto in front of a serious gallery of witnesses, willing to commit herself to him if he accepted. That shouldn't be forgotten just because she has lingering confusion about Sasuke.

4. Sakura's dedication to Sasuke is a reflection of Naruto's own unwillingness to give up on him. The problem is, she has believed the source of her dedication to be romantic love, when in fact it began as a self-esteem issue that morphed into a teammate bond and a sense of friendship. She and Naruto are more on the same page regarding Sasuke than either one realizes, and neither has figured out how much their respective feelings for Sasuke have influenced the other. Which leads me to...

5. A key element of Naruto and Sakura's early bond was their affection for Sasuke. They have, separately and together, repeatedly vowed (in various forms) to return/save/restore him -- each making the vow with the other's feelings at heart. All without success. Since this shared motivation remains unresolved, maybe the point is that only through unification -- of heart, soul, and mind -- will Naruto and Sakura find the answer to reaching Sasuke...?

6. Naruto cares for Hinata as a person, as a ninja, as a Konoha villager, but there has not been one single hint that he feels romantic love for her. If he suddenly did, it would be a departure from Naruto's established personality -- not to mention a reversal of 540 chapters of carefully constructed plot. Naruto's heart could be changed in Hinata's favor, but I don't think Kishi has enough story left to manage it without betraying Naruto's character and sacrificing his credibility as a storyteller. Likewise, I don't see Sasuke becoming a hero of equal or greater value than Naruto -- redeemed such that he could realistically end up with Sakura. I have to believe that if Kishi had something like that planned, he wouldn't have called the story Naruto.

7. Kushina's request that Naruto find a girl like her, and the obvious parallels between Kushina and Sakura. What possible point could Kishi have had to include that if he didn't intend Naruto/Sakura?

8. Naruto loves Sakura, so much that it's at the expense of his own happiness. Unless I'm forgetting something, this fact is currently beyond debate.

9. Despite loving her, Naruto has inadvertently contributed to Sakura's romantic confusion by his own actions during the bench scene back in Chapter 3, and because he has not openly declared the sincerity and depth of his feelings for her since.

This is interesting if you think about it in the bigger picture. Declarations are a hallmark of Naruto's personality; he declares himself constantly, even when it's a smokescreen for his lack of confidence. Initial claims of super skill, his intention to become Hokage, his rivalry with Sasuke, his "never give up" nindo, his determination to bring Sasuke back, his dedication to peace and Jiraiya's quest, you name it. He can hardly open his mouth without making a declaration.

And yet when Sai asked Naruto if he'd ever declared himself to Sakura, Naruto said he couldn't because he hadn't kept his promise to her. Hmm...and now that promise has supposedly been voided. Did Naruto really accept that, or is he still on a collision course -- his nindo vs. his feelings for Sakura?

Sakura declared her love for Sasuke, Hinata declared her love for Naruto, Sakura then declared her love for Naruto, and Sasuke declared his love for revenge and murder. But so far Naruto -- the crown prince of declarations -- has not declared his love for Sakura. Kishi has to be holding this back for just the right moment. Naruto is a profoundly loving young man, earnest, sincere, and utterly persuasive. If/when he finally does make a real do-or-die play for Sakura, it'll be worth the wait.

10. So far, at least, Naruto's instincts have always been right. His unshakeable, selfless, and patient love for Sakura speaks volumes. As long as Naruto believes in her, we should believe in her, and rest in idea that Naruto will find a way to make everything work out.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 10:01 PM

In fact the theory is not completely meaningless. Hinata was introduced a little late in the plot. And some say this was done at the suggestion of producers due to the success of SasuSaku, and Naruto would have a second option. However, things between Naruto and Hinata not evolved much since then. O mesmo podemos dizer sobre Sasuke e Sakura. Already things between Naruto and Sakura ...

But I agree with you. It is not impossible. I believe the author and producers has worked for the preference for Naruto and Sakura to grow in Japan, an it worked. However, unfortunately, SasuSaku is still greater.


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Posted 30 May 2011 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE (Manara @ May 30 2011, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In fact the theory is not completely meaningless. Hinata was introduced a little late in the plot. And some say this was done at the suggestion of producers due to the success of SasuSaku, and Naruto would have a second option. However, things between Naruto and Hinata not evolved much since then. O mesmo podemos dizer sobre Sasuke e Sakura. Already things between Naruto and Sakura ...

But I agree with you. It is not impossible. I believe the author and producers has worked for the preference for Naruto and Sakura to grow in Japan, an it worked. However, unfortunately, SasuSaku is still greater.



Which i find impossible...considering that Sasuke tried to kill Sakura...twice...on his own free will.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 10:14 PM

He only tried to kill her to show how much he really loved her tongue.gif


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Posted 30 May 2011 - 10:14 PM

QUOTE (Strangelove @ May 30 2011, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which i find impossible...considering that Sasuke tried to kill Sakura...twice...on his own free will.

Apparently, they believe that Sasuke has been manipulated and influenced by Madara into doing the things that he's done. I talked to one of the supporters (NaruHinaFan, if anyone recalls them) and they gave the reasoning that Sasuke wasn't "being himself".

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 10:47 PM

QUOTE (Blazing CobaltX @ May 30 2011, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It irritates me that pepole suddenly started bashing Sakura more because of the panel. dry.gif


And you're not surprised? rolleyes.gif They completely ignored the fact that she owned white Zetsu and that she figured out his special technique very quickly proving once again how smart and strong she is. But no it has to be that particula panel go ahead and bash her because they assumed she's still madly in love with Sasuke. Sometimes I wish Kishi will just make her resolve her feelings and get together with Naruto so he could show all those bashers. sleep.gif
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Posted 30 May 2011 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 30 2011, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And you're not surprised? rolleyes.gif They completely ignored the fact that she owned white Zetsu and that she figured out his special technique very quickly proving once again how smart and strong she is. But no it has to be that particula panel go ahead and bash her because they assumed she's still madly in love with Sasuke. Sometimes I wish Kishi will just make her resolve her feelings and get together with Naruto so he could show all those bashers. sleep.gif


Actually, it will be 20x worse for her if Kishimoto have her hooked up with Naruto right now. They will be calling her words, slurs and names (aka "slut", "b*tch", "ho", etc.) that we will be definitely be questioning what on earth is going on with the fans' minds.

... which will happen at the end, of course.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:28 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ May 30 2011, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, it will be 20x worse for her if Kishimoto have her hooked up with Naruto right now. They will be calling her words, slurs and names (aka "slut", "b*tch", "ho", etc.) that we will be definitely be questioning what on earth is going on with the fans' minds.

... which will happen at the end, of course.


So either way, we're gonna have a backlash aren't we?

Edited by anguyen92, 30 May 2011 - 11:29 PM.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:33 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ May 30 2011, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If he suddenly did, it would be a departure from Naruto's established personality -- not to mention a reversal of 540 chapters of carefully constructed plot. Naruto's heart could be changed in Hinata's favor, but I don't think Kishi has enough story left to manage it without betraying Naruto's character and sacrificing his credibility as a storyteller.

this, this, this, a thousand times this.

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ May 30 2011, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sasuke wasn't "being himself"

what exactly is "himself" then? O.o

Edited by pharix, 30 May 2011 - 11:37 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:36 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ May 30 2011, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, it will be 20x worse for her if Kishimoto have her hooked up with Naruto right now. They will be calling her words, slurs and names (aka "slut", "b*tch", "ho", etc.) that we will be definitely be questioning what on earth is going on with the fans' minds.

... which will happen at the end, of course.


Well they treated Akane from Ranma 1/2 the same way and it was darn obvious that she was going to end up with Ranma because she was engaged to him in the end of the manga they got married and to this day they are still bashing her. If Sakura gets together with Naruto that won't stop them from reading the manga or they won't plan a war to attack Japan and kidnap Kishi for making NS canon it's too silly.

Edited by Gravenimage, 30 May 2011 - 11:43 PM.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:41 PM

QUOTE (pharix @ May 30 2011, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what exactly is "himself" then? O.o

You'd have to ask one of them, cuz I frankly have no clue.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ May 30 2011, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You'd have to ask one of them, cuz I frankly have no clue.


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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:54 PM

QUOTE (pharix @ May 30 2011, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what exactly is "himself" then? O.o


A cold-hearted SOB, who's purpose assumaly, is to rebuild his clan or to destroy what's left of Konoha. I don't know I lost track of what his character is after he killed Itachi.

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Posted 31 May 2011 - 12:07 AM

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A cold-hearted SOB, who's purpose assumaly, is to rebuild his clan or to destroy what's left of Konoha. I don't know I lost track of what his character is after he killed Itachi.


no, the real Sasuke is a sweet natured boy, who love bunnies and flowers and is waiting for his princess, Sakura, to save him. tongue.gif

ah sorry can't keep a straight face I tried though


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Posted 31 May 2011 - 12:10 AM

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no, the real Sasuke is a sweet natured boy, who love bunnies and flowers and is waiting for his princess, Sakura, to save him. tongue.gif

ah sorry can't keep a straight face I tried though


Well you never know, that might be his Inner Sasuke who has appeared well never.

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Posted 31 May 2011 - 12:16 AM

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Posted 31 May 2011 - 12:17 AM

QUOTE (anguyen92 @ May 30 2011, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A cold-hearted SOB, who's purpose assumaly, is to rebuild his clan or to destroy what's left of Konoha. I don't know I lost track of what his character is after he killed Itachi.


It's also ignored that what Sasuke calls restoring his clan has nothing to do with him getting together with anyone, it's killing off everyone from Konoha and anyone who ever caused any problems for the Uchiha clan, it's all about death not life.
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Posted 31 May 2011 - 12:18 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 31 2011, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's also ignored that what Sasuke calls restoring his clan has nothing to do with him getting together with anyone, it's killing off everyone from Konoha and anyone who ever caused any problems for the Uchiha clan, it's all about death not life.


I agree. That's one really solid piece of evidence canceling all those SasuSaku fan's saying that he needs to restore his clan with 'someone' meaning it'll be Sakura. Psh. Not anymore :]

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Posted 31 May 2011 - 01:29 AM

Hmm, this might be just be making a big leap in logic, but a thought occured to me regarding a certain other Sasuke pairing. Sakura claimed to no longer care about Sasuke, while it seemed to me from the last chapter that her feelings are still there, at least in some form. Well, as I recall, Karin also claimed to be over Sasuke. Maybe SasuKarin's not such a dead pairing after all.
I thought I'd bring this up, since I've heard SS fans claim that Sakura's claim to be over Sasuke was false, while Karin's was clearly true. I don't necessarily ship SasuKarin, or any Sasuke pairing for that matter, but it seems like a note-worthy mention that, if attempting to murder Sakura didn't close the book on SasuSaku, then maybe the same goes for SasuKarin.

Just a thought.

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Posted 31 May 2011 - 02:49 AM

QUOTE (Boom...Winning @ May 30 2011, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm, this might be just be making a big leap in logic, but a thought occured to me regarding a certain other Sasuke pairing. Sakura claimed to no longer care about Sasuke, while it seemed to me from the last chapter that her feelings are still there, at least in some form. Well, as I recall, Karin also claimed to be over Sasuke. Maybe SasuKarin's not such a dead pairing after all.
I thought I'd bring this up, since I've heard SS fans claim that Sakura's claim to be over Sasuke was false, while Karin's was clearly true. I don't necessarily ship SasuKarin, or any Sasuke pairing for that matter, but it seems like a note-worthy mention that, if attempting to murder Sakura didn't close the book on SasuSaku, then maybe the same goes for SasuKarin.

Just a thought.


Exactly, and actually Karin's words in the original Japanese weren't as absolute as they came across in the fan translation.
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