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[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

This makes no sense. 

 

The author said that Neji dying for them was like a cupid, because it brought them closer together, and it did, thus 615. Naruto makes a blood vow -against- Neji, and having doubts about Neji's fight, just like 615, Hinata pulls him out of his despair. This, is critical thinking, I've gone back, using another manga moment, and gave it correlation to this one, adding another moment that fits Neji's set up as a cupid function. "The author only said this one!" you say, and that's true. You not seeing that there are others that fit the mold is a failure of critical analysis. Dig, connect, analyze. 

 

Then you say it wasn't important for the story, which is silly because then there'd have been no fight. It's another failure of just commenting on what you see on the surface and not even skimming beneath, and believe me, very little surfacing of this is required to get the point. 

Being a hypocrite doesn't work like that. People used logic, panels of manga and reasonig in discussion with you, you on your trolling way denied anything that is not your pov, so excuse me while I say that your post makes no sense, kek.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 12 October 2017 - 04:26 PM.

[Shashank95]

 

This makes no sense. 

 

The author said that Neji dying for them was like a cupid, because it brought them closer together, and it did, thus 615. Naruto makes a blood vow -against- Neji, and having doubts about Neji's fight, just like 615, Hinata pulls him out of his despair. This, is critical thinking, I've gone back, using another manga moment, and gave it correlation to this one, adding another moment that fits Neji's set up as a cupid function. "The author only said this one!" you say, and that's true. You not seeing that there are others that fit the mold is a failure of critical analysis. Dig, connect, analyze. 

 

Then you say it wasn't important for the story, which is silly because then there'd have been no fight. It's another failure of just commenting on what you see on the surface and not even skimming beneath, and believe me, very little surfacing of this is required to get the point. 

Critical analysis.



Coming from you, any word that falls into the semantics of thinking, analyzing, critical thinking makes laugh   

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I don't think you know what trolling is either. 

So, your argument comes down to "no u". ayy, that's a dirty move.

[Shashank95]

Okay on the first part? I was adding to the death count. Uchihas ruining the story is your opinion, so not disputing that. Personally, while needing more foreshadow/build up, Black Zetsu beating this guy that thinks he had it all, was it all, so cocky and arrogant, is bloody brilliant. That said, it would have been better for Naruto/Sasuke to earn their powers.

 

It doesn't really prove anything though, as this sort of thing is rather standard for the genre, but this is just opinion so you can have it. 

 

 

The part about Neji's death though? Going to dispute that real fast. 

 

First off, what huge gap? NS just sunk over a hundred chapters ago. Considering Neji didn't go drown NH, I think he was actually making the gap bigger.

 

Secondly, Neji's death 1: Brought Naruto to the brink of despair. 2: Introduced to readers that -no- one was safe. Even K11 characters could die. Being war, it was important that Neji died. 3: Really helped complete his story, he -chose- to die for the people he loved. 

 

I find diminishing Neji's death, or any character death like this, a bit disappointing to see. 

 

 

I don't think you know what trolling is either. 

 

I notice you have put forward another non-argument to my points though. 

 

 

 

 

Great Movie. I'm glad I can bring a smile to your face. 

How did NS sink 100 chapters before Neji's death when Naruto blatantly states Sakura as his GF to his dead father? Once again, you prove your lack of reading comprehension and your clear bias and expose your true NH fangirl self.

And how did Neji's death even affect the story? Brink of despair? Naruto was on that after Jiraiya was killed. Neji's death proved no one was safe in the war? It's a war, no one is safe. Kishi should have killed more central characters if he actually wanted to make an impact.

Marineford in One Piece did this the best. Killed off Luffy's brother and one of the strongest good guys in the same arc. 

[James S Cassidy]

 

First part is amusing, because reading comprehension would suggest that this was -teasing-, which Naruto says he should stop doing after he sees Sakura's strength. Cute moment, but we already know that it's not one of lasting notice, in retrospect. We cannot take what we read and then -not- take what comes after.

You do.

You mean like how Hinata said that she was going to stop chasing after Naruto and in restrospect didn't do that either and in fact only did it more?

Everybody lies....get used to it.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Analyzer and foreshadowing, lol.

Writing about Hinata as her words are BOUND to happen as she MC? Not like Naruto named other characer as his gf. 

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 12 October 2017 - 06:45 PM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Foreshadowing, yep. 

 

I get folks missing hints in the moment, when it was chapter by chapter being in the fandom can be like following a football team, ignoring signs and still hoping for the best, but you can look in retrospect and find these things. 

Ignorant you are     

[Shadow Wolf]

The answer of Naruto loving Sakura or not boils down to one simple question:

If he said that he can't confess to Sakura because he can't keep his promises, then WHAT was he going to CONFESS to her anyway?

1- That he loves Hinata (impossible because The Last says that he didn't know what love was and that he confused it with ramen).

2-That he loves *insert any other character other than Sakura here*. See statement #1

3-That he loves *insert any non-living thing here, like ramen*. (Then why feeling like you can't confess to her something so trivial anyway?)

4-Confess to a bad thing (You are going to keep a promise for this?)

And finally:

5-To confess his feelings for her, namely, that he loves her. Keep in mind two things:

A-The strong value of a promise in Japanese culture. In many manga and anime this characteristic is prevalent, like in Love Hina, for example. Hence why we can't brush Naruto's Confession just as to say that he "likes" Sakura.

B-That you have to know that, if you are intent in keeping A, then B is a very serious topic for which you do not joke about and for which you must have knowledge of what you will confess about. Even in topic like confessing to a bad thing, like commiting a crime, being addicted to drugs, or in this case, a good thing, like how Naruto plans to, you take Confessions seriously. As such, Naruto was planning to confess to a serious topic. Ergo, it is easily recognizable that he was going to make a Love confession to Sakura. But of course, this would pretty much retcon the foundation of the movie The Last

So, now that this is laid on the table, doesn't it make sense that Naruto never talked about this topic again? After all, of he did, it would destroy the logic of The Last.

But of course, even if we do not have the answer to what was Naruto going to confess to anyway, we have evidence in other manga and anime that a "confession of love" holds true for both statements I mentioned above. Add that to the fact that even in real life, when we confess to someone, we take the topic seriously when we mean it and everything just fits in logically. Naruto does love Sakura.

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 12 October 2017 - 07:13 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Analyzer and foreshadowing, lol.

Writing about Hinata as her words are BOUND to happen as she MC? Not like Naruto named other characer as his gf. 

According to Analyzer and proenders....Naruto the Manga is not about Naruto the character, but about Hinata.

[Shadow Wolf]

We can't be selective with canon. Because you use 1 as you have, you therefore -cannot- postulate that it was going to be a confession of love. Even if it -was- going to be, Naruto wouldn't have really loved Sakura, as he hasn't felt that love yet. 
 
Considering 469's words, and the consistent Sakura loving Sasuke stuff, it makes sense that no confession follows this. I also think people forget he was going to save Sasuke anyway. 

Says the person who is being selective about what type of love is pointed in the data-books and about what is supposed to be disregarded as a joke or not. Plus you proved my point with this statement anyway: the fact that Naruto's confession (and his intention to confess after keeping his promise, regardless of wanting to save Sasuke for himself or not) would have been (and it actually is) a contradiction to the movie because if he confessed (which he had the intention to, after all, he would not have lied to Sai about this because he hated people who lie to themselves), then he would have known (and actually knows) what love is.

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 12 October 2017 - 07:43 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Says the person who is being selective about what type of love is pointed in the data-books and about what is supposed to be disregarded as a joke or not. Plus you proved my point with this statement anyway: the fact that Naruto's confession (and his intention to confess after keeping his promise, regardless of wanting to save Sasuke for himself or not) would have been (and it actually is) a contradiction to the movie because if he confessed (which he had the intention to, after all, he would not have lied to Sai about this because he hated people who lie to themselves), then he would have known (and actually knows) what love is.

That;s true not to mention going back as far to the wave Arc when Naruto told Zabuza that Haku loved him, its simple being selective of what someone wants to know and what they don't want to know.

 

To the pro-enders to love the fact that Naruto never knew what love was, cause that means and in that way they can stick it to Sakura all the more, hell they laugh that she is all alone, as one not so nice fan said. "kitten is all alone, that's what she gets for punching Naruto."

 

But they all fail to see that this makes Naruto bad very bad remember him throwing away his mother scarf the one thing that he has of her's that she made for him, what does he do throw it away.

 

Now if that was Sakura I think we all know that she would not get all upset in the way Hinata did as Sakura knows Naruto more than Hinata ever could.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

He understands the rough concept of love, which is why he can tell Sakura loves Sasuke, but he has not -felt- it. That's the keen difference. 

 

Movie says he doesn't understand it . . . period. Quit making stuff up.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

 

 Naruto does not understand it, he has never felt it. That doesn't mean he can't see it externally, or recognize it in others. That rephrase should work better for you.  It's the same thing, but fit to your specifications of denotative assessment. 

 

That's exactly what it means, which is why he can't see it in Hinata until the genjutsu scene. Again, quit making stuff up to justify an otherwise poorly written movie.

[lupina]

 

 

 Naruto does not understand it, he has never felt it. That doesn't mean he can't see it externally, or recognize it in others. That rephrase should work better for you.  It's the same thing, but fit to your specifications of denotative assessment. 

 

No.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

No.

 

Basically. No need for mental gymnastics. The Last just isn't a well written movie. Pure and simple.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

It's called understanding, not inventing. You do not let its point or meanings sink in. Think what you wish of the movie, though. 

 

I've seen you do quite a bit of "understanding" around here and it all involves concocting new information not established in the source material. Nowhere is it established that Naruto secretly loved Hinata the entire time, nowhere is it established that the moon in Naruto's world operate by a unique set of rules, nowhere in the Last it established that Naruto merely has a "rough" understanding of love or is capable of "externally seeing it in others" (whatever the hell that means). All of that is BS postulation; glorified fanfiction concocted by fanboys/fangirls like yourself. Problem is that you can use "understanding" to justify the flaws of every story ever made, including your alleged concerns about Naruto and Sasuke's contrived bond. It's easy as hell to say a story is good when you can arbitrarily fill in the holes in the author's steed.    

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 12 October 2017 - 08:59 PM.

[lupina]

 

 

Naruto understands Sakura loves Sasuke, but he -cannot- see it in himself, because he does not understand it/feel it. I feel like that is the point that is being missed. Sage of Six Paths even mentions similarly about if he could turn a mirror into himself he would gain much understanding. 

 

Therefore, knows exactly what romantic love is, pre 699/700/"The Last". He cannot see it in himself, because it simply isn't there. Humans who supposedly "habour" romantic feelings inside their heart for someone, do know and understand the concept and the feeling of "romantic love", but at the same time suposedly "don't know they have it", do not exist. 

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

No.

This is all so true this is just one of many proof that Naruto loved Sakura I mean come on dude is in kittening pain cause Sakura is cying unless he is faking it, again Naruto is not a robot nor is he like Goku, Naruto is not a retard he knows what love he very well. I mean ome on you would have to be blind not to see it Naruto may not have a family but he damn well knows what love is.

 

 

Basically. No need for mental gymnastics. The Last just isn't a well written movie. Pure and simple.

lol I agree The Last is just bad with no thought other than how Hinata gets her man that is it simple really I would rather watch bad films than the Last, not too mention everyone guilt tripping Naruto into loving Hinata.

[James S Cassidy]

The easiest solution is trying being like Sasuke and Hinata in real life.

Know someone you really love? Stalk them. Take pictures, hide behind trees, make them scarfs, and just act weird around them. See what happens.
Hinata's theme song

For Sasuke,
Go to your "loved on" and just treat them like trash. Call them useless, tell them they have no business in matters they don't understand, choke them, attempt to kill them (this one is very important), and just all around act like you don't care. If you find yourself in court or under arrest just tell them "It is okay, truth is, I am afradi to love her so I treat her this way because I have a hard time expressing my emotions." Again, see what happens.

I swear try this at home. See what happens.

[winter-serenade]

Naruto understands Sakura loves Sasuke, but he -cannot- see it in himself, because he does not understand it/feel it. I feel like that is the point that is being missed. Sage of Six Paths even mentions similarly about if he could turn a mirror into himself he would gain much understanding. 
 

 
It's called understanding, not inventing. You do not let its point or meanings sink in. Think what you wish of the movie, though.

In the page you quoted, he literally says he understands it. Think about it, why would he say that? Why would he be drawn with so much pain in his expression. Because he - understands unrequited romantic love -. It was Sakura —> Sasuke/ Naruto—> Sakura. It’s not hard to comprehend, really.