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[VanitasDS76491]

I Had a dream that Naruto and Sakura sang a romantic ballad together.

Really what song?

[Catra]

Sasuke as Koji no no No no no Koji was a kitten but still likeable, the rest are good especially sakura as Zoey and seeing her as kazemon and zphrymon.

and koji actually developed as a character. but again, he's the typcial blue rival to the main characters red. they both fuse in the end to take out the main baddy. they both have a brother voiced by crispin freeman.

Edited by Catra, 10 October 2017 - 12:28 AM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Really what song?

I believe it was this song.

[Shashank95]

Ohayo Minna! How's everyone doing?

 

Been a while. 

 

 

Are we good? Has the black sheep left? Or do we still need to deal with "THAT"?

[lupina]

The "Black Sheep" will be back soon, I think

[VanitasDS76491]

and koji actually developed as a character. but again, he's the typcial blue rival to the main characters red. they both fuse in the end to take out the main baddy. they both have a brother voiced by crispin freeman.

Yes and why sasuke doesn't fit as Koji at all at most sasuke fits as duskmon after itachi was freed or have an oc character that's a female sasuke who's like Koji but better and cared about itachi. Plus Crispin Freeman is awesome especially as Alucard from hellsing and pulled off a decent superman and ironman.  

I believe it was this song.

what song there's nothing there.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Yes and why sasuke doesn't fit as Koji at all at most sasuke fits as duskmon after itachi was freed or have an oc character that's a female sasuke who's like Koji but better and cared about itachi. Plus Crispin Freeman is awesome especially as Alucard from hellsing and pulled off a decent superman and ironman.   what song there's nothing there.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Ohayo Minna! How's everyone doing?

 

Been a while. 

 

 

Are we good? Has the black sheep left? Or do we still need to deal with "THAT"?

who knows let's hope she has gave up trying to force us to like this BS of an ending that happened.

 

The "Black Sheep" will be back soon, I think

I don't think she will we are all not paying her any attention now and has now gave up trying to convert us to NH and SS or liking this ending, but again that may be a guess, and shall need to wait and see, as none of us and I mean none of us will agree with her or what she is trying to do either.

 

The thing is if I remember she said we need to respect Kishi cause he is a writer, no I will not respect him he kittened up Naruto and many others just to please the NH fans or Hinata fans, as I have said many hate Naruto and just wanted Hinata to be happy to get what she wanted, I have grown to really hate Hinata.

[Shadow Wolf]

who knows let's hope she has gave up trying to force us to like this BS of an ending that happened.
 
I don't think she will we are all not paying her any attention now and has now gave up trying to convert us to NH and SS or liking this ending, but again that may be a guess, and shall need to wait and see, as none of us and I mean none of us will agree with her or what she is trying to do either.
 
The thing is if I remember she said we need to respect Kishi cause he is a writer, no I will not respect him he kittened up Naruto and many others just to please the NH fans or Hinata fans, as I have said many hate Naruto and just wanted Hinata to be happy to get what she wanted, I have grown to really hate Hinata.

I've seen a few people who have mentioned this to me, but I don't really hate Hinata. Honestly, my hate goes towards SP and Kishi himself. After all, like I have mentioned in some of my posts: Hinata could have been so much more.

Just think for a second a Hinata that would realize that she does not need Naruto to be strong or to be complete. You would have a strong Hyuuga who could probably become a good leader of her clan without any hidden power given to her (coughcoughthelastcoughcough). Using what she learned from the 4th Shinobi War, plus what she learned from seeing Neji, she would eliminate the Branch system from the Hyuuga family and promote protection of the clan's bloodline through the pursuit of peace. And even though in a way this would be similar to Naruto's goals, this would be something that she did because she wanted to on her own will. So in the end, even though she was a satellite character, her development would be complete and would inspire people out there with self-esteem issues to strive for reaching their goals. Instead, we got this version of her thanks to SP and Kishi. Hence my hate towards Them, because technically, they also ruined her.

In fact, now that I'm in this, I want to ask: either through an open ending, or through NS being canon: how would you complete the developments of Naruto and Sakura? And if you want to, how would you complete the development of any other character that you like in the Narutoverse?

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 10 October 2017 - 02:09 PM.

[Kagomaru]

Ohayo Minna! How's everyone doing?

 

Been a while. 

 

 

Are we good? Has the black sheep left? Or do we still need to deal with "THAT"?

*Sighs* Shouldn't have said anything. 

[TheFirstEvil100]

*Sighs* Shouldn't have said anything. 

Yep knew she would come back with with her we're wrong and she is right that SS is a perfect couple, so in her own kittened up way I can hit a women smack her call her names and put her down. Because this is not abuse cause I am not dating them.

And this is why she is not an NS fan she can keep saying she is one but when she sees it more as crack then that is proof that we need to show she hates both Naruto and Sakura that she didn't see all the pain that Sasuke did to Sakura.

Again I showed my mum and she called Kishi a sexist pig on they way he treated Sakura and dumped her for someone who as mum said was nothing but a kitten to her.

I mean come on Kishi has said he has no idea on how they got together yeah this was really planned out, again she keeps on leaving out the fact that Kishi can lie.

Humans always lie and Kishi is human just like the rest of us so yeah he will lie, plus what is that saying. "Show don't tell." Kishi keeps telling us this and that but never shows how Sasuke fell for Sakura

Since 693 showed us he has no feelings for her and in the fight with Kaguya he would have just let both Sakura and Kakashi both die as he saw them both below him, that they were nothing to him.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Kishi didn't think about how they got together,but that is also not important nor coincides with the plan that they did eventually get together, he merely didn't plan out the details of their culminating love story, their Last so to speak. He didn't really for the other couples either, about four of the five are substantiated post 699.

Writing for 15 years, P
means
Professional.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Frankly, you could write 30 years, you'll never be a perfect writer. What's your point? 

There is a difference, between being perfect, and being committed.

[VanitasDS76491]

Oh that's a good one, can you image naruto and Sakura doing karaoke with single songs and duet and then I see naruto going to a piano and playing Richard Marx right here waiting for you which would make sakura cry before sakura sings Misty's song that pokemon play and 1000 words from ff x-2 and then naruto singing evermore from Josh Groban.

[Shashank95]

 

So are we agreeing Kishimoto is committed? I would say putting in tens of thousands of hours into the manga, and then continuing to work on it even after it's conclusion is certainly evidence of that. 

Go read Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece, Vinland Saga for good writing, consistency in the plot and character development all throughout and for authors who actually plan out their story and don't give conflicting statements in interviews. I've seen Fanfictions handle Naruto better than Kishimoto did. So yeah, he's a kitten tier writer and an above average artist and only sheep like you who think everything he says is the word of god, believe otherwise.

 

Please take your comments elsewhere since it's been made abundantly clear that no one here appreciates your nosy and holier than thou attitude.

 

[LuckyChi7]

I'm just gonna casually gonna drop this, have a great day/night everyone  

 

 

[Shashank95]

 

Struck out unnecessary hostility. I've done much to reduce this "holier than thou" attitude, in fairness, and in fairness, have been subjected to such attitudes myself. Happens in debates, I write it off. 

 

Fullmetal Alchemist? Great Story, I'll agree. Of the anime I, which I recall better, I an particularly fond of the style. 

 

One Piece? I never caught on. Just doesn't interest me. 

 

I don't even know what Vinland Saga is. Frankly, comparing series is an entirely subjective thing and doesn't really suit much for analysis, so I don't do it. 

 

Naruto? Good Writing. Rather consistent too, despite narratives otherwise. It is an epic work, so of course there will be inevitable things missed and mistakes, the amount of organization and data-basing everything to avoid that would be extensive. Planned out story too, considering the NS fight was planned. Pretty consistent in interviews too, after taking in consideration the translating wall. Feel free to believe he's an awful writer or an above average artist, that's your opinion. I -only- dispute facts and questionable claims. 

Quick Question: What gives you the authority to say what is right and what is wrong? What gives you the right to say that our opinions are wrong and yours are right?

Like I said, your words about Kishimoto being consistent isn't worth anything when his own story shows so much contradiction. And your comment about things being missed and mistakes being made just because Naruto is an epic? Naruto being an epic, in and of itself is a laughable statement. 

Berserk is an epic, One Piece is an epic, Shingeki no Kyojin is an epic, heck even Nanatsu No Taizai can be considered an epic. Naruto is a barely above average fanfiction to me. Like I said, I've seen Naruto fanfictions that have better story-telling than what Kishi puked with his post Pain arc story telling.

To be considered an epic, you need a wide cast of characters with development. Last time I checked Kishimoto sidelined any and everyone who wasn't named Uchiha and Naruto. He even contradicted a basic functionality that he had established in part 1 with how genjutsus work. If that isn't kitten tier writing, I don't know what is.

Once again, Kishi being a good writer and consistent is just your opinion and you have nothing to back it up other than insults towards us claiming that we are biased and unfair. The manga pretty much shows how bad of a story teller he is.

Edited by Shashank95, 11 October 2017 - 03:02 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

There is a difference, between being perfect, and being committed.

 

Exactly, and Kishimoto was obviously NOT committed.

[lupina]

Seems like I was right again

[Shashank95]

 

Answer: I'm more or less using the author's words and what is occurring in the source material to point out that -facts- and -claims- made about Naruto by certain folks are false. -Not- opinions. I think you missed this detail. I am not disputing that your opinion about Naruto being bad is wrong, it's subjective, but the things folks tend to sayabout it being bad don't make sense.

 

For example, you're saying Naruto is not as good as other material. That's fine. I disagree. That doesn't make your opinion invalid, nothing wrong with disliking it. Then you say Naruto is not an epic, but failed to comprehend in what denotation I wielded the word epic. In my definition, I wielded it to mean a large, lengthy work about a hero, shown in your comparisons of other epics, you evaluate Naruto on quality "Above-average", which has nothing to do with the denotative diction of length. I also don't think you know what epic means in terms of literature, considering you define it as a large cast of characters with development, but frankly, modern epics are not defined in that way. (Historically, as a side note, they solely referred to poems, such as the Illiad). Heck, I would argue in these older epics the other characters beyond the main ones aren't even really developed. 

 

And this is a failure to really even see things. See, some side characters -do- get development, what doesn't happen is they don't get utilized enough. I think this also fails to understand what main characters are. I have said it as well that Uchiha stuff does bog down the plot, but it was always loved by the Japanese audience, so I have to give it that. But no development in other characters? I don't think that's a justifiable argument, considering many non-Uchiha and Uzumaki (Gaara as a strong example) develop. More important side characters that do get used more (Shikamaru and Hinata as examples) also see development. Sure, let's say Tenten doesn't get development. But maybe you were talking about utilization, which is a far more sound argument than "Development". I've no problem saying how any of my three characters I put forward change from their initial selves, if you need elaboration on my claims, and can put forward many more.

 

You also say Kishimoto is inconsistent, but exactly in what way? And exactly how did he go against part one's establishment of genjutsu?

 

And feel free to think that Kishimoto is bad. I think the -reasons- put forward by some are frankly not just unfair, but false, and sometimes sadly just hateful. For example, in another thread I addressed how saying "Hinata ruined the ending" is frankly unfairly weighted, because her piece of resolution of the end is no greater than say Shikamaru's, but we don't say "Shikamaru ruined the ending". And saying "Hinata ruined the ending" forces a quantification of how. There's no way you can really postulate she "ruined" anything beyond pairings in any critical analysis (And there's nothing really to critically analyze) without frank stretching or even discussion of things the character couldn't possibly be responsible for. So unfair as a criticism is justified. I've never "insulted" with this term, however.

 

Biased though? Never argued that, though that's certainly been said in the reverse. It's a silly argument, because everyone has some bias.

 

And then your last sentence is kind of hypocritical? You're saying that I've not backed up my claims that Kishimoto is a good writer, which is frankly false, then saying that the manga shows he is a bad writer, as if it's a fact, as if it's -wrong- to hold an opinion otherwise. 

 

Let me conclude by saying I don't care about who likes Naruto or doesn't, full respect on whatever your opinion is, especially if the opinion is sound. You could love it and say things that weren't true, and I would still say why those things aren't true anyway. I'm literally just fact checking, pretty much.  

Ignoring your rant about opinions when your whole post is one big opinion. And you aren't fact checking since most of your comments are just opinions you pulled out of your hiny anyway.

The fact about Genjutsu: It was explicitly stated by Sakura I believe in the Chunin arc that Genjutsu works by a user pushing his/her chakra into the victims and manipulating their senses.

 

Then we had the whole fiasco with the Mugen Tsukuyomi where even beings without Chakra were put under Genjutsu. Then it was stated that Kaguya put people under the Tsukuyomi even before Hagoromo gave them Chakra.

And also regarding that, When Hagoromo, Indra and Ashura were talked about so much, why wasn't Toneri, Momoshiki and Kinshiki ever mentioned? Another plot hole.

How could Naruto and co breathe in space in The Last movie? How can Naruto who could barely hold off mountain Busting attacks from Sasuke suddenly take an attack that split the moon in half and not be hurt?

These are called inconsistencies and bad writing.