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Posted 06 October 2017 - 08:02 PM


No offense to the forum, but I generally see....

No, you pretty much already offended us...time and time again. So achievement unlocked. 100g.

"No offense to you, but I generally see you as a pro-NH, anti-NS, pro-ender....."

But as you say "It is all interpretation."

I will say this again. The fact that you don't get any of this is the entire reason why you are not an NS fan. Any of it. Not just the pairing or the manga, but us; as a community; as people. What you think you're doing is trying to "save us," but really you're doing nothing more than just trying to convince to fall into the crowd. "Accept and adapt." Well, sorry, but no. You can call it stubborness, but it is our stubborness. Our happiness. We loved NaruSaku because it is the kind of life we wanted. Not a perfect life, but a fullfilled one. NH is an example of a non-fullfilled relationship. Yeah, Hinata may bend over backwards for Naruto and supposedly "perfect in every way," but real life is not so easy. Real relationships take work, compromise, and understanding. Not slavery like Hinata is to Naruto and yes, I consider it slavery because is just using her as a means to an end. Nothing more, nothing less. She might as well be just some random girl on the street.

We love NS because it meant growth, love, and development. It was never about just fullfilling fantasies or some sexual conquest. We wanted our hero to succeed because we believed he should have and yet he hasn't. He lost everything and continues to lose more because "people want NH." Worse still when we can see these characters suffering and the rest are just laughing and claiming "this is amazing stuff." No, just no. When I can look at an image of Naruto that Kishimoto draws with pain in his eyes looking at Sakura....something is wrong.

When Naruto's own VA, Junko, feels sorry that Naruto in such a predicament...it breaks our hearts. Even Kishimoto's own wife sees it. Unlike Hinata fanboys we do not think Sakura is "flawless," but then again she didn't have to be. She was real. More real than Hinata would ever be.

But this is all superflous because you don't understand any of it.  I fear you never will. It can't just be explained to you.



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Posted 06 October 2017 - 09:14 PM

Show them Zero no Tsukaima / The Familiar of Zero if they want a real abusive, pink-haired "heroine", then ask them where in Naruto does Sakura do to Naruto that's anything remotely like most of what Louise does to Saito.

They would claim that "it still doesn't erase the fact that Sakura was abusive" which is exactly the reason I got when I brought up other tsundere characters



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Posted 06 October 2017 - 09:17 PM

Or, even better, everyone can stop responding to her and just ignore her.  :mellow: If everyone is so against Analyzer being here, then don't feed her with replies. Over the months, it has been proven time and time again that she is not a NaruSaku fan that believed it was very real like the majority did. She's not here to delight in NaruSaku or grumble about the ending like the rest of us, so...yeah.

 

 
This this this this this.
I've long believed that what Miyazaki said is true. Otakus are ruining anime. That's one of the reasons why I'm so picky about what anime I watch and cling to older, good anime shows. 

 

Its what I have done I'm done wasting my time on her anymore she can beleave what she wants, but to me this ending and what Kishi and SP did to Naruto Sakura and many others will always make me feel sick. And why this was all to make the NH and SS fans happy cause they all saw Sakura as the kitten, hell I cry that Sakura gets needless hate cause she as you and others have pointed out, she is not flawless and I hate that.

 

 

No, you pretty much already offended us...time and time again. So achievement unlocked. 100g.

"No offense to you, but I generally see you as a pro-NH, anti-NS, pro-ender....."

But as you say "It is all interpretation."

I will say this again. The fact that you don't get any of this is the entire reason why you are not an NS fan. Any of it. Not just the pairing or the manga, but us; as a community; as people. What you think you're doing is trying to "save us," but really you're doing nothing more than just trying to convince to fall into the crowd. "Accept and adapt." Well, sorry, but no. You can call it stubborness, but it is our stubborness. Our happiness. We loved NaruSaku because it is the kind of life we wanted. Not a perfect life, but a fullfilled one. NH is an example of a non-fullfilled relationship. Yeah, Hinata may bend over backwards for Naruto and supposedly "perfect in every way," but real life is not so easy. Real relationships take work, compromise, and understanding. Not slavery like Hinata is to Naruto and yes, I consider it slavery because is just using her as a means to an end. Nothing more, nothing less. She might as well be just some random girl on the street.

We love NS because it meant growth, love, and development. It was never about just fullfilling fantasies or some sexual conquest. We wanted our hero to succeed because we believed he should have and yet he hasn't. He lost everything and continues to lose more because "people want NH." Worse still when we can see these characters suffering and the rest are just laughing and claiming "this is amazing stuff." No, just no. When I can look at an image of Naruto that Kishimoto draws with pain in his eyes looking at Sakura....something is wrong.

When Naruto's own VA, Junko, feels sorry that Naruto in such a predicament...it breaks our hearts. Even Kishimoto's own wife sees it. Unlike Hinata fanboys we do not think Sakura is "flawless," but then again she didn't have to be. She was real. More real than Hinata would ever be.

But this is all superflous because you don't understand any of it.  I fear you never will. It can't just be explained to you.

 

Very well put James sadly this will not stop her she she will keep saying without saying it mind you that we are all stupid morons that should have been able to see this coming, what's more she thinks that Kishi can't lie. You know like all humans can do that a writer tells the truth all the time and never once tell a lie, sadly we all know that is false.

 

I mean come on its not like Kishi will come out and say that NS was meant to be canon and he did it to make the NH and SS fans happy and his editors told him or forced him as well, cause if he did then he job as a writer would be forever over as no one would want him again more so the Hinata loves that he is working for that use him like a puppet, as that is all Kishi is now James a puppet.

 

Hell at least both Kojima and Toyriama stood their own ground on the work that they made and show love to it as well, which is more than I can say for Kishi, hell with Toyriama he would have killed Hinata in her fight with Neji or Pain, Kojima would have made Sakura the most bad ass female.



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Posted 06 October 2017 - 09:44 PM

 

Its what I have done I'm done wasting my time on her anymore she can beleave what she wants, but to me this ending and what Kishi and SP did to Naruto Sakura and many others will always make me feel sick. And why this was all to make the NH and SS fans happy cause they all saw Sakura as the kitten, hell I cry that Sakura gets needless hate cause she as you and others have pointed out, she is not flawless and I hate that.

 

 

 

Very well put James sadly this will not stop her she she will keep saying without saying it mind you that we are all stupid morons that should have been able to see this coming, what's more she thinks that Kishi can't lie. You know like all humans can do that a writer tells the truth all the time and never once tell a lie, sadly we all know that is false.

 

I mean come on its not like Kishi will come out and say that NS was meant to be canon and he did it to make the NH and SS fans happy and his editors told him or forced him as well, cause if he did then he job as a writer would be forever over as no one would want him again more so the Hinata loves that he is working for that use him like a puppet, as that is all Kishi is now James a puppet.

 

Hell at least both Kojima and Toyriama stood their own ground on the work that they made and show love to it as well, which is more than I can say for Kishi, hell with Toyriama he would have killed Hinata in her fight with Neji or Pain, Kojima would have made Sakura the most bad ass female.

And it is really really sad.

I never want an anime series or manga series to go through with this stuff again. Ever. Editors should be there to help the story flow better....not "change entire structures because they want one character to be more important than another."

No mangaka or anyone should be forced to change things because "the populous demands it." Even if we disagree....they should write the story they want.

Naruto's ending is not the story Kishimoto wanted and you can tell it.

 



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Posted 06 October 2017 - 09:51 PM

And it is really really sad.

I never want an anime series or manga series to go through with this stuff again. Ever. Editors should be there to help the story flow better....not "change entire structures because they want one character to be more important than another."

No mangaka or anyone should be forced to change things because "the populous demands it." Even if we disagree....they should write the story they want.

Naruto's ending is not the story Kishimoto wanted and you can tell it.

 

Well we can tell james all the people who hated the ending can tell this is bad.

 

Its just sadly the fact that the ones who don't care are the Hinata fans who love her more than Naruto and that is something I hate you can tell Naruto hates this what his life is now, I mean look at the ova with him becoming Hokage what did the fans do they thought what happened to him was funny.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 03:06 AM

Proof is an "odd" argument, because we know how the manga ends now. We know who Naruto's first love is, canonically. 

 

The argument really isn't if it's love or not, because it isn't romantic love, at least to the extent of it being a first love, that's what later material establishes, regardless of whether it's a retcon or not. Really the argument is how the canon explanation isn't a retcon and is in line with the manga. 

 

With that explanation in mind, and understanding at least that Naruto's crush is shown to be shallow (Literally just a "pretty" line, and how Sasuke is competed with, what else is there to it? 

 

To me the hospital scene is not conclusive that Naruto loves her,  but conclusive that Naruto understands that Sakura loves Sauske. The teasing therefore in part 2 is light, there really isn't that much "seeking to date", or the like. 

 

Kishimoto supervised the Last and some parts of it (The NS Parting scene, the scarf and some lines related to it) are his work. It is canon, so saying it isn't a relevant source is silly.

 

I won't even get into the flaw of calling NH and SS "forced". At the very least, the former was heavily foreshadowed. Narratively, objectively speaking, no, you cannot force something that was foreshadowed and developed. 

 

We know Naruto's first love (romantically) is Sakura. It's a well known established fact throughout the manga.
 
The Last isn't written by Kishimoto, therefore it's not canon and is indeed irrelevant. Writing and supervising
are two different things, supervising it doesn't make it "canon". Akira Toriyama helped with the Dragon
Ball GT and sure, it lines up with the DBZ timeline, but it's not considered "canon". 
 
Your whole argument fails because it's based on a fanfiction. 
 
Naruto never loved Hinata romantically and while there were a few interactions 
between them in the manga, it was platonic at best, either NH is forced or they never got out of Hinata's
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 03:07 AM

And it is really really sad.

I never want an anime series or manga series to go through with this stuff again. Ever. Editors should be there to help the story flow better....not "change entire structures because they want one character to be more important than another."

No mangaka or anyone should be forced to change things because "the populous demands it." Even if we disagree....they should write the story they want.

Naruto's ending is not the story Kishimoto wanted and you can tell it.

 

This reminds me of SO much of what I see on fanfiction sites - authors constantly having polls at the end of a chapter(s) asking readers to vote on who should be paired with who (or harem), what should a character(s) do next, and so on.rather than doing whatever they themselves want to do. While pleasing the readers is important, you should still try to do it by giving them a good story from your own mind, not by simply handing them practically anything and everything they want on a silver platter, and even if an author does get responses that take them a certain direction, it's still NEVER going to please everyone. There will always be chunks of people who will dislike or even hate what they do that others wanted, so having such polls and whatnot is just pointless in the end.

If people simply can't appreciate a good narrative, plot, characters, development, etc. and ONLY care that the story goes the way THEY think it should go, then maybe they're reading the wrong story or maybe they should quit reading stories all together.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 04:02 AM

No offense, but that's not rude to me, because I do think the series does deserve people that are respectful and passionate about it, that provide support for the medium to thrive and continue.

 

No, this is rude  to the author themselves. 

 

I'm going to turn it around, and say that the fandom and the series deserves better respect than the hate that it gets over very specific issues. Tens of thousands of hours were put into this series for years for readers.

 

That is hard work, stressful, and agonizing. Any creator can relate to it. Kishimoto deserves every ounce of success he earned, as he worked hard for it. 

 

That's your words, not mine. Where did that come from? 

 

Anyways, thanks for proofing my point that you're the representative and exactly the type of people who supports the ending. Those who have the free time in weekdays, during working hours some more, to reply constantly and twisted around arguments. You can do this verbal gymnastic all day, but in the end, you are humiliating yourself. Why don't you try to compile your arguments and judge them yourself.

 

With regards to respect, well, we respected him for years. We support the manga, buying the volumes, merchandise, etc for the past 15 years.

 

The author lost his respect, especially in Japan, the moment he disrespect his readers. Go ahead and hunt down all the interviews and magazines around the time the last chapters were published. It'll be helpful if you can read Japanese and understand Japanese culture. Simply put, he literally ridiculed majority of his readers. There's a big hooha in Japanese twitter around that point of time if I recall correctly. Anyways, it's in the past and we've moved on.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:42 AM

That's not the first time she said that Sakura isn't Tsundere. That's the third time I see her saying that. It's like saying the sun grows vegetables on its surface.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 11:01 AM

All SasuSaku fans say the same thing.


Which actually makes sense when you think about it, because if we are to describe Sakura's "violence" towards Naruto as part of the "Tsundere" trope, then it would mean that Sakura actually cares for Naruto, and SS fans do not want that.

And in the end, this is what most of the other pairing fans have to resort to in order to defend their couples. Out of all the fandoms, we really do not have to put down Hinata or Sasuke. Just by stating the facts of the manga, we can see that NS makes more sense than any of them. In fact, if NS were to be the endgame, Sasuke and Hinata would probably have a better character development, for Hinata would strive for improvement and realize that she does not need Naruto (nor anyone) to be complete, and Sasuke would actually be supportive of NS (as he gave credit to Naruto for saving them during the fight against Gaara's), and would make his redemption journey more effective, because both Juugo and Karin would probably support him (hence why they are practically non-existent in the new manga).

There's a fanfiction around the net called "Lifting the Dream" which I feel that, although it is not perfect, it actually describes most of the characters very accurately. And I believe many members here can make a better story too (I think tricksie was making a good one). So yeah... Going back to my point, even if the ending would have been left as an open ending, I would have been satisfied with character completion. But I guess I know nothing about Naruto anyway XD

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 01:19 PM

 

Because frankly Naruto doesn't believe there is any point in pursuing Sakura or telling her how he feels while he was unable to bring Sasuke back to Sakura. This statement was given to you before, if with different diction. 

 

Okay, so just to be clear here, you are admitting that on those panels, Naruto telling Sakura how he feels IS tied to bringing Sasuke back to Sakura, correct?

 

As an aside, I will concede after re-reading and going through several others analysis that the Karin -> Sasuke angle is one-sided love, my error there. Double Aside, Karin is a pretty cool character. 
 
No need to read any other analysis. There was never anything in the manga to indicate that Karin didn't love Sasuke. Glad we're in full agreement now then. So, back to the original point, Karin loved Sasuke (suki), Sakura loved Sasuke (suki) and Naruto loved Sakura (suki). Agreed?


On the meat of this, first thing, Sasuke is a driver, as in, -events- happen literally, because of him. The Fake Confession would not occur without him being around. Chapter 3 wouldn't happen without him really being there either. In contrast Obito would have done his moon -eye plan regardless of Kakashi's existence. Obito isn't actively doing things because of Kakashi's continual existence. Your statement to wave this point away doesn't work.
 

 

 

That's a bit too literal of an analysis and self-defeating if we follow that reasoning to it's logic conclusion. Sasuke was NOT the driver of events since Obito would have started the 4th shinobi war regardless, Pain would have invaded the village regardless, Pain would have killed Jiraya regardless, Madara would have planned the infinite tsukiyomi regardless and Naruto would've responded to these events with the intention of protecting the leaf village regardless. Kakashi drives ObiRin in the sense that WHILE Rin is alive, Obito goes from trying to spite Kakashi and win Rin's affections to entrusting Kakashi to protect her. In both NaruSaku and ObiRin, we have a third party who the girl is in love with and who the man goes from having a bitter/jealous relationship to a genuine close friendship. That's really all there is to it. Any interpretations to the contrary are disingenuous.

 

And I say you are ignoring canon, or perhaps missing something, because you cannot reconcile that perhaps it is your interpretation that is invalid. For example, you are arguing that it is not about Naruto wanting to compete with Sasuke, but on bringing up the panel about Naruto wanting Sasuke to look like a jerk, you cannot refute that Naruto -is- competing with him in this moment. 
 

 

 

If you could show me how my interpretation was invalid without requiring me to perform mental gymnastics with unambiguous scenes from the manga and databook, perhaps I would believe you were onto to something. Nonetheless, the fact of the matter is that in chapter 3, we have ample indications of Naruto having genuine affections for Sakura and everything you've told us has been seen in other mangas/animes/series where there was a love triangle (I gave multiple examples, each of which you've glossed over for some strange and mysterious reason). Clearly, the mere fact that Ryoko takes efforts to make Ayeka look bad in front of Tenchi is not indicative of any notion that she does NOT in fact love Tenchi, but that she is simply childish. The fact that Kaoru partakes in similar conduct with Megumi does not mean she does NOT in fact love Kenshin, but that she too is simply childish. And the fact that Helga G. Pataki partakes in a wide range of immature pranks of convoluted schemes in other to made rivals like Lila look bad does not mean she does NOT in fact love Arnold (instead, the show uses such scenes to confirm just how much she DOES love him). So when I see you beat your chest about the fact that Naruto planned to make Sasuke look like a jerk, I cannot help but chuckle. :lulz:
 
I think you also fail to see that the Hospital scene, in retrospect at least, is a sort of end to that.
 

I think you fail to see the hole that puts in any notion that Naruto never loved Sakura and was simply competing with Sasuke the whole time. ANY indication of genuine feelings tears that notion apart.

 

This isn't saying the Sasuke competitive bits were the sole reason or drive.
 
That's what the movie tells us. It's not enough that you want to ignore the manga. But do you have to ignore the movie too?  :lmao:

Triple Aside: The manga and the mangaka are flawed.
 
Absolutely. So when we see something suggested in one chapter and the the opposite suggested in a different chapter (or film), we don't need to play mental gymnastics or use 10 page tumblr glorified fanfiction essays to understand the inconsistency. We can attribute the inconsistency to the agreed upon fact that the manga is flawed and the mangaka is also flawed. Glad we can agree on that!  :thumb:
 
You -still- fail to address how the acknowledgement aspect doesn't hold. Your smug attitude and arrogance still haven't wrestled with that.

 

Because you say so . . . your desire and ability to hit the reply button for eternity notwithstanding. And I may be smug and arrogant, but at least I'm honest about it. :lmao:


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 08:10 PM

And what gets me to this day that makes me even more mad than anything is how much hate Sakura gets.

All the hate her character gets is simply illogical.
If SS is supposedly what everyone wanted....why do they hate Sakura for it then? Isn't it what you wanted? How can you hate her if you wanted her to be with this man?

"Well, she was too obsessive over Sasuke."
So was Ino, Naruto, every girl in the village, several other characters, and even the author himself. Heck, almost the entire plot was about Sasuke. Even most of the fans LOVED and obsessed over Sasuke....so, again, why only Sakura get hate for it?

Hinata was obsessive over Naruto to the point that she treated everyone else with disregard...even her own teammates at times. But forgot, Hinata is a perfect goddess so no fault no foul.

"Because she is abusive to Naruto"
And Sasuke is extremely abusive to Sakura to the point that he makes Ike Turner and Tina Turner look like the Brady Bunch. Again, the fans say nothing against this.

I have to say, from my eyes, SS has shown just how sexist this fandom can be at times even more so than the Hinata worshiping from objectifying.

 

Think about this:

The man beats up the girl whenever he finds her annoying and thinks she is worthless.
The man neglects the family leaving her penniless and fatherless with the wife doing everything.
The man never kisses, hugs, or even says anything positive to her at all.

and the fandom blames Sakura for all of it because she is "too obsessive." SHE is the most useless and hated character. SHE is the one that doesn't understand and everything that Sakura gets is "justice" for what she did to Naruto.

It is disgusting and vile when I see the fandom do this and it happens a lot.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 09:23 PM

Yup double standards through and through. And here is something JUST as laughable my friend. now that SS and NH are canon, all pro-enders have the gall to say NAruto and Sakura's shipping moment's were negative and played for comedy! :lmao:  :lmao:

 

RIGHT, so Hinata fainting in front of Naruto just by being around him is NOT comical and played negatively, neither is Sakura flirting with Sasuke only for him to coldly reject her and tell her to stop wasting her time with him it seems. Logic does not apply to these fanatics I swear :hm:


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 09:33 PM

Yup double standards through and through. And here is something JUST as laughable my friend. now that SS and NH are canon, all pro-enders have the gall to say NAruto and Sakura's shipping moment's were negative and played for comedy! :lmao:  :lmao:

 

RIGHT, so Hinata fainting in front of Naruto just by being around him is NOT comical and played negatively, neither is Sakura flirting with Sasuke only for him to coldly reject her and tell her to stop wasting her time with him it seems. Logic does not apply to these fanatics I swear :hm:

Yet, these same people could watch a very similar scene in another anime like Naruto and say "Look how cute and romantic they are."

Why is it only Naruto this all occurs?
Do they say these things watching Love Hina or Toradora? What do they think of Future Diary (I know she is actually a Yandere, but I more making the point of violence in couples) in this respect?


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 09:47 PM

The Naruto fandom is mainly SUPER toxic, we'll just leave it at that. Apparently Naruto must have a special set of standards, compared to other anime or even media for that matter. Sakura hits Naruto? She's an abusive kitten!!! Naruto is supposed to be with Hinata? where's  all the development that other animes actually BOTHER to show before making a couple?

 

IDK man, I don't really think about it because it is honestly laughable to think WHY the the majority of the Naruto fandom outside this website type what they type, say what the say, and behave how they behave. it just happens, and I can't think of a reasonable explanation for it because any explanation CONTRADICTS what is being shown. You'd actually think you're going mad if you try :ermm:


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 10:37 PM

Yet, these same people could watch a very similar scene in another anime like Naruto and say "Look how cute and romantic they are."

Why is it only Naruto this all occurs?
Do they say these things watching Love Hina or Toradora? What do they think of Future Diary (I know she is actually a Yandere, but I more making the point of violence in couples) in this respect?

Cause they just don't care James people like that have a mind view on what a women should be like to them Hinata is goo cause she will not qustion her man, she does not get a say Naruto does, we all know who they are, many are on youtube and do nothing but bash Sakura and say nothing but how great Hinata is going as far to say she has no flaws.

 

Its just sad like you sad man that Sakura gets hate.

 

Hell gets worse when people bash not only her but Kakashi as well for caring more for Sasuke than Naruto, I mean come on.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 11:28 PM

Cause they just don't care James people like that have a mind view on what a women should be like to them Hinata is goo cause she will not qustion her man, she does not get a say Naruto does, we all know who they are, many are on youtube and do nothing but bash Sakura and say nothing but how great Hinata is going as far to say she has no flaws.

 

Its just sad like you sad man that Sakura gets hate.

 

Hell gets worse when people bash not only her but Kakashi as well for caring more for Sasuke than Naruto, I mean come on.

It's no excuse. These people need to understand that if you don't like certain behavior then all types of that behavior should be unacceptable. Not excuse it because a certain character does it. Do they think they are not narrow minded by doing this? Do they think this is not favoritism?

 

I guess so.

This is why I have a hard time respecting people's opinions at times because of this kind of hypocrisy. This is why I stopped getting into political debates before. Like a anti-gun supporter wanting to buy all the guns they can get.

I was always a man who tries to respect views and the only thing I ever asked for was consistency. If you hate abusive characters because of such behavior, then you have to hate them all. One doesn't just get a free pass because "She is cute."

 

The Naruto fandom is mainly SUPER toxic, we'll just leave it at that. Apparently Naruto must have a special set of standards, compared to other anime or even media for that matter. Sakura hits Naruto? She's an abusive kitten!!! Naruto is supposed to be with Hinata? where's  all the development that other animes actually BOTHER to show before making a couple?

 

IDK man, I don't really think about it because it is honestly laughable to think WHY the the majority of the Naruto fandom outside this website type what they type, say what the say, and behave how they behave. it just happens, and I can't think of a reasonable explanation for it because any explanation CONTRADICTS what is being shown. You'd actually think you're going mad if you try :ermm:

I don't know what is a worse feeling: The fact they exist at all or the fact that some of them might just be in other fandoms that I enjoy or even support the pairings I enjoy. Like one of these proender NH fans that also likes SaitamaXFubuki in One Punch Man.


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Posted 08 October 2017 - 02:43 AM

It's no excuse. These people need to understand that if you don't like certain behavior then all types of that behavior should be unacceptable. Not excuse it because a certain character does it. Do they think they are not narrow minded by doing this? Do they think this is not favoritism?

 

I guess so.

This is why I have a hard respecting people's opinions at times because of this kind of hypocrisy. This is why I stopped getting into political debates before. Like a anti-gun supporter wanting to buy all the guns they can get.

I was always a man who tries to respect views and the only thing I ever asked for was consistency. If you hate abusive characters because of such behavior, then you have to hate them all. One doesn't just get a free pass because "She is cute."

 

I don't know what is a worse feeling: The fact they exist at all or the fact that some of them might just be in other fandoms that I enjoy or even support the pairings I enjoy. Like one of these proender NH fans that also likes SaitamaXFubuki in One Punch Man.

I would just rage if I learned that a known NH lover / pro-ender were to be in the Digimon camp of just not understanding how Tai and Sora didn't end up together at the end of Digimon Adventure 02, but rather ended with Yamato ("Matt") and Sora getting together and married even though those two have even less overall interaction than Naruto and Hinata did, if you can believe that, whereas Tai had risked his life to save Sora several times and supported her on top of their obvious relationship shown in the "Our War Game!" film (which is canon). Similarly, the Japanese VAs behind the characters were utterly confused as to that ending. As far I know, there was no huge call for the pairing either.


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Posted 08 October 2017 - 03:35 AM

speaking of Digimon, did Takuya and Zoe ever get together? They kind of reminded me of Naruto and Sakura-Chan as well.


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Posted 08 October 2017 - 03:54 AM

I would just rage if I learned that a known NH lover / pro-ender were to be in the Digimon camp of just not understanding how Tai and Sora didn't end up together at the end of Digimon Adventure 02, but rather ended with Yamato ("Matt") and Sora getting together and married even though those two have even less overall interaction than Naruto and Hinata did, if you can believe that, whereas Tai had risked his life to save Sora several times and supported her on top of their obvious relationship shown in the "Our War Game!" film (which is canon). Similarly, the Japanese VAs behind the characters were utterly confused as to that ending. As far I know, there was no huge call for the pairing either.

 

*twitches* Ohohoho, don't even get me started on Taiora. Twenty years and I am still seething with hatred and confusion over why Toei passed over a well-developed relationship like that for Sorato, the couple that absolutely no one expected, asked for or wanted! And as if to reopen old wounds and apply salt to them, they dare to give fans false hope by hinting at a course reversal in the first three Tri movies, trying to convince us that Taiora actually may happen and that asinine epilogue would be eliminated from Digimon history. By the fourth film, you realize that they are attempting to sell us Tai x Meiko, which is the Digimon equivalent of NaruHina in almost every category.  :wallbash:

 

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speaking of Digimon, did Takuya and Zoe ever get together? They kind of reminded me of Naruto and Sakura-Chan as well.

They got together in the Frontier movie.


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