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[BlueStarSaber]

You know...

 

Talking about The Last is bringing back bad memories.

You mean about the time iruka asked what kids would like to be with at the end of the world, or how Naruto's feelings for sakura was rival with sasuke or just about everything with that damn scarf! 

[LuckyChi7]

YA THE DAMN GENJUTSU SCENE THE ULTIMATE CONFESSION OF LOVE

 

 

 

My Response: 

 

 

 

 

ARE YOU READY TO GET SLAUGHTERED? 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 27 September 2017 - 01:37 AM.

[Nostradamus]

You know...

 

Talking about The Last is bringing back bad memories.

Do what I do, just find a way to delete it from your mind.

 

You mean about the time iruka asked what kids would like to be with at the end of the world, or how Naruto's feelings for sakura was rival with sasuke or just about everything with that damn scarf! 

You see I actually forgot that even happened. Now I have to delete it again.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You mean about the time iruka asked what kids would like to be with at the end of the world, or how Naruto's feelings for sakura was rival with sasuke or just about everything with that damn scarf! 

 

 

YA THE DAMN GENJUTSU SCENE THE ULTIMATE CONFESSION OF LOVE

 

 

 

My Response: 

 

 

 

 

ARE YOU READY TO GET SLAUGHTERED? 

I rather get slaughtered right about now...

[NarutoUzumaki01]

But the Memory Remains, na na da... 

[thelordofspace72]

I think that none of us needs a gatalog in how to differentiate between love and crush.

It is impossible to have Naruto feelings towards Sakura "crush". Because he always tries to make Sakura happy and distancing grief from her. Sakura's feelings toward Sasuke are "love" nonsense. Sakura does not care about his feelings. She just cares about sasuke uchiha handsome. As if it was just an award. This is not love but the truth is madness. How can this relationship be love? If all Sakura cares about is Sasuke without respect for his feelings unlike Naruto. Now I do not think there is anyone opposed to what I say except NH + SS FAN.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sometimes I wish theres a software that accurately writes my voice to the text box because I would have voiced my opinion much quicker.

[VanitasDS76491]

Do what I do, just find a way to delete it from your mind.
 

You see I actually forgot that even happened. Now I have to delete it again.

Booze here I come cause I have to erase those moments from my mind even though I watched the movie once I still remember it foundly and want to hang myself it's that bad, really iruka why would you ask that because it really sounds out of place. Though I'd the moon crashed into earth in the movie I'd welcome it cause NH would die with the other idiots in this series. Hell the raikage almost destroyed the world to with that cannon he was going to cause if the moon gets destroyed we all die anyway unless you go by dbz logic when piccolo and master roshi destroyed the moon and nothing happened both times. Also no way could naruto and toneri move at such high speeds in zero gravity do these dumbasses fail kindergarten science.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Oh man guys I found this old vid from back in the day.

 

 

I still think its funny who knew Itachu and Kakazu where NaruSaku fans.

[TouKen4Life3g]

On the positive side, I realized that I still got it in me when talking about series in maximum care level. Damn, I should have self-recorded my argument. Oddly enough, the whole Naruto going depressed mode remind me of that damn crappy Emoji Movie. Yeah, I lost the bet, so I ended up watching it...

[Nostradamus]

Booze here I come cause I have to erase those moments from my mind even though I watched the movie once I still remember it foundly and want to hang myself it's that bad, really iruka why would you ask that because it really sounds out of place. Though I'd the moon crashed into earth in the movie I'd welcome it cause NH would die with the other idiots in this series. Hell the raikage almost destroyed the world to with that cannon he was going to cause if the moon gets destroyed we all die anyway unless you go by dbz logic when piccolo and master roshi destroyed the moon and nothing happened both times. Also no way could naruto and toneri move at such high speeds in zero gravity do these dumbasses fail kindergarten science.

They just wanted to copy the success of Dragon Ball without realizing that what they were working on is not Dragon Ball.

[Kagomaru]

Oh man guys I found this old vid from back in the day.

 

 

I still think its funny who knew Itachu and Kakazu where NaruSaku fans.

Funnily enough, the *other* Naruto Abridged series that was made by TFS supported NaruSaku as well(even if they did poke fun at Pre-Shippuden Sakura).  Sadly, going by their LPs of Naruto UNS4, they moved on from it presumably because they were discouraged by the "fake" confession scene.

[ultranx]

 

 

Pre-ending published material confirms he did. Post-ending published material confirms he didn't. Retcon.

 

Except Pre-ending published material also confirms he didn't, unless we're ignoring the multiple developments and opportunities where it could have been executed as he did, 467 and Minato's depature specifically. Post-Ending material doesn't go and change anything. All it does is explain what has been understood by several for some time. 

 

States. Not suggests. Outright states. Multiple times. You've been shown. Multiple times.

 

Sure, states. The Manga deals with what the extent of this love is, a crush. (On a side note, This is why I am interested in what exact wording of love is being used in the Japanese databook, as this makes all the difference in meaning.) 

 

Nope. To say his feelings are platonic would mean he no longer has platonic feelings for her after the ending: "She decided to protect his dream.To pay back Naruto Who always protected her and loved her until now." Pre-retcon Naruto loved Sakura. Anyone who denies this denies facts.

 

No? To say it is platonic would explain what his feelings had always been. Pre-Not-Retcon and Post-Not-Retcon Naruto did love Sakura, as a friend. No one is denying this, so no facts are being denied. 

 

Non sequitur. That Naruto is wanting to bring Sasuke back for himself as opposed to his feelings for Sakura does not invalidate his feelings for Sakura, as we can plainly see in Sai's flashback. Whether you like it or not, that scene happened. And Naruto's bond with Sasuke is established clearly at the first valley of the end fight. So there was never any notion that he was going to abandon Sasuke even if Sakura told him to forget about his promise. The promise and the his bond with Sasuke are independent of each other and have always been.

 

The promise in itself does not, but 467 does. Naruto's words very strongly recognizes that not only Sakura is lying to him, but that she stills loves Sasuke. Sakura assumed that Naruto's feelings were a driver, as did Sai, but they were not. Misunderstanding and under-estimating Naruto is thematic within the story. With this not being a driver of Naruto's feelings, what really is the evidence that these feelings are romantic love, is the error not one's assumption that the crush remains status quo?

 

Not that it matters. The 4th databook came out long after chapter 470 and it states in clear terms that Naruto loved Sakura until a certain point. So everything you've told us about "crushes" and "platonic" feelings is malarkey. 

 

Platonic feelings explains the bond in general. Crush? Explains what you are reading in databooks, really. 

 

Nope, we're flat out told why he can't in Sai's flashback from Naruto himself. He tells us in plain in simple terms when asked about why he won't confess "How can I when I can't even keep my promises?" This is in the manga. I thought you liked the manga. Yet here you are pretending certain parts didn't happen. Didn't you just criticize somebody for refusing to acknowledge everything post chapter 697 as canon? Truly baffling. Nevertheless, actual scenes in the manga trump your headcanon any day of the week.

 

I'm actually not ignoring this scene. The fault here is your assumption that Naruto is saying that he isn't confessing to Sakura because of the promise, when just chapters later, we learn the promise has nothing to do with anything, and is not driven by feelings with Sakura. 

 

That sounds like your idea of a 'conspiracy theory' to me. "They didn't want to reveal their hand too soon?" How do you know any of this? Not that it matters of course. Early sets of material say one thing. A later set of material says the opposite without rhyme or explanation (which is what we would get if your conspiracy theory had any merit). Say it with me: Retcon.

 

At best, you are misinterpreting what the databooks are saying. At worst, you could argue the databooks themselves are off, which they aren't, so it's probably an at best situation. Still no Retcon. 

Don't we have interviews about purposeful insertions of a Red Herring in the 600s to cloud things up? I know because we are told and shown this. 

 

As we've seen above, your belief is not based on any facts, contradicts facts and relies on deliberately disregarding unambiguous scenes in the manga.  There is zero, zero, zero confirmation of a "crush" on Naruto's part. Nowhere is that word used. Not the manga, not the databooks, not the interviews. Nada. Instead, we have the word love. Not once, but multiple times. And rather than accept this, you try and make up new words (i.e. platonic love). You're less interested in the truth than you are an agenda.

 

In fairness, your belief relies completely on the databook's meaning being insistent on a love greater than a crush, and this being taken away by later material. But later material does not do this.

 

See, you can call it love, and not be wrong, Even the Last uses the word love. All the merit to you if you believe love is the correct diction.

 

But the Last quantifies a difference between this love you are bringing up and the later love Naruto has, the latter being absolutely romantic love, which he experiences for the first time, thus First Love. That is why I call this former love a crush, or platonic love in it's present form; it is the -fitting- term of what we are shown. This one has shallow origins, and fades away from that, instead, becoming a very close friendship. This isn't a Retcon, because this is what happens within the manga. By definition it cannot be doing this, particularly when the interpretation offered is one had by many for a long time, who have called such out. 

 

No agenda, really, besides defending against the term Retcon. 

 

 

 

cringing just reading this  so:

 

oh look at that, it was his words, he said he couldn't confess because of the promise.

also to nullify your argument of naruto never liking sakura. here's the first panel she's introduced in chapter 3:

 

and in comparison, lets look at hinata in the chunin exams in chapter 39:

[ultranx]

might as well not bother replying analyzer, I'm not gonna read your replies, twas just posting the panels since wasn't sure if anyone else would to debunk you.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

What do you think she is demonstrating in her talk with Naruto? 

 

That he never loved her. That he only wanted to compete with Sasuke. That's it. Everything you're attributing is glorified fanfiction. Crushes, platonic love, mature love and whatever else you have to add from the dictionary are not referenced at all. Sakura was a prize in a game with Sasuke and nothing more.

 

(FYI Mature love comes from the interviews, when the discuss this is the first time that Naruto experiences this). 

 

So quote and cite the interview then. Show me which interview references "mature love" and I'll gladly take it into consideration. Don't give me fanfiction though (i.e. the interview doesn't actually say, but you want me to add the words in anyway).

 

 

Also FYI "Until now" does not inherently (Though should)  suggest a discontinuation, it depends on the context,

 

Here, let me give you the "context." Databook 4 was released like a few days right before the ending where Naruto suddenly ended up with Hinata. That's the context.  So we're right back where we started: Either you think Naruto's platonic relationship with Sakura ended before the ending or you don't care about published material unless it suits your glorified-fanfic laced arguments. Which is it? 

 

 

The promise being a romantic thing -is- invalidated, because by his own words, he wants to save Sasuke for himself. Your error here is interpreting his words as an indicator of existence, and is blatantly ignoring later events that deconstruct this. 

 

So basically, you think he just up and lied to Sai here:

 

 

 

 (And I suspect the original databook picture chart you showed me is similiar in its meaning of love, as the raw translation of that Japanese is Suki), more akeen to yes, a crush. 

 

In that case . . .

 

 

Suki dayo = Naruto is telling Hinata he has a crush on her.

 

 

Daisuki = Hinata is telling Naruto she has a crush on him.

 

Game over.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 27 September 2017 - 06:15 PM.

[ultranx]

don't know what part of having your posts set to ignore to where they are hidden from my sight is hard to understand, was just reading part of the conversation above and added the panels

[lupina]

 

 

The former is a clear misunderstanding on Sai on the type of love,

 

 

Uhh ... No?

[TheFirstEvil100]

Dudes lets all just like NaruHina it is the best ship after all. Analyzer after this NH fan will never leave until we are all NH fans as well, we all know she is a NH fan and is lying about being a NS fan.

After all its easy to lie online like this I can say my sister is a lesbian.

So best cause is too close this site down she has won she will never leave until this site is closed. Again we all know she is a NaruHina fan, she just won't admit it.

[Kagomaru]

Dudes lets all just like NaruHina it is the best ship after all. Analyzer after this NH fan will never leave until we are all NH fans as well, we all know she is a NH fan and is lying about being a NS fan.

After all its easy to lie online like this I can say my sister is a lesbian.

So best cause is too close this site down she has won she will never leave until this site is closed. Again we all know she is a NaruHina fan, she just won't admit it.

Or just put her on Ignore to save yourself unneeded exasperation from her obstinate and undeniably willful ignorance to the evidence presented.

 

Besides, It's fun to watch her get curbstomped in every avenue of this ongoing debate by ThroughwithLove, lupina, among numerous other NS fans on this site to the point she's basing her reasoning on fanfiction/Twilight logic.   Besides, she was already given a warning by trickspie.  If she steps out of line, she's gone.

Edited by Kagomaru, 27 September 2017 - 06:47 PM.

[Dalton.T.R]

Or just put her on Ignore to save yourself unneeded exasperation from her obstinate and undeniably willful ignorance to the evidence presented.

 

Besides, It's fun to watch her get curbstomped in every avenue of this ongoing debate by ThroughwithLove, lupina, among numerous other NS fans on this site to the point she's basing her reasoning on fanfiction/Twilight logic.   Besides, she was already given a warning by trickspie.  If she steps out of line, she's gone.

Trixpie?