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[TheFirstEvil100]

Well, at least the activity's up again. ;p

Oh that all depends now, doesn't my dear Sushi.

[sushi.]

You think Naruto is that awful..and enjoy NS at the same time.

Hmm. Einstein would scratch his head on this.

[Illnevergiveup3]

GREAT KRYPTON LOIS! IS THAT A NH/SS FAN I SEE?

[TheFirstEvil100]

You think Naruto is that awful..and enjoy NS at the same time.

Hmm. Einstein would scratch his head on this.

lol well I know that Einstein would scratch his head on this bad ending.

[ThroughWithLove]

Guess we're gonna pretend that conversation a couple of pages back about Naruto loving Sakura never happened . . . 

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 25 September 2017 - 09:41 PM.

[Kagomaru]

Guess we're gonna pretend that conversation a couple of pages back about Naruto loving Sakura never happened . . . 

Selective memory and arbitrary interpretation is the Analyst's game, don'tchaknow.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Selective memory and arbitrary interpretation is the Analyst's game, don'tchaknow.

lol I see what you did there.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I'd also retort that every member of every canon pair has a happy ending, and not every fan is hyper-focused on a single character within that pairing as is

*every pic of Naruto without smile after 698*
*every pic of Sakura raise ceasar salad alone being housewife*
*Look_at_this_dude_meme.mp3*

Well, if Hinata, Sasuke is "every", than yeah.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 25 September 2017 - 10:57 PM.

[lupina]

Guess we're gonna pretend that conversation a couple of pages back about Naruto loving Sakura never happened . . . 

 

... or that conversation with Naruto supposedly liking Sakura because of a "Rivaly with Sasuke", wich is directly disproven by the manga itself and by the fact that it dosen't make sense to like someone "out of rivaly with someone else", if that "someone else" isn't interested in the one you desire in the first place.  

[TheFirstEvil100]

lol what's funny is if Naruto was changed and stuck in his girl form Hinata wouldn't want Naruto, Sasuke who know. But Sakura wouldn't care she will love Naruto no matter what.

[kirabook]

The problem I find with Burrito's dad is that he tarnished a cute hair style on Naruto.

 

CHIE was giving Naruto cute short hair cuts that were actually cute for years. It's not the short hair, it's the entire Burrito's dad getup that I don't like.

 

 

[My Living Curse]

The problem I find with Burrito's dad is that he tarnished a cute hair style on Naruto.

 

CHIE was giving Naruto cute short hair cuts that were actually cute for years. It's not the short hair, it's the entire Burrito's dad getup that I don't like.

 

 

 

I remember from this article stating that nearly everything in Burrito was designed to cut costs.

 

Link: http://fandom.wikia....tions-cash-grab

 

I quote: "It was obvious from the get-go that almost every aspect of Boruto was designed to make money for the studio. Every character, including Boruto, has a simple design with a minimal use of colors and patterns. This is a stark and disappointing departure from the unique and charming character designs of the original Naruto cast."

 

"The motivation behind this change is likely to be that more basic designs allow for quicker and cheaper animation. These more simplistic designs also make it much more cost-effective to make and sell merchandise featuring these characters."

 

Years ago, I always thought his hair would grow to resemble Minato's, not a terrible buzz cut... 

[Nostradamus]

Years ago, I always thought his hair would grow to resemble Minato's, not a terrible buzz cut... 

Well he wanted to become a scumbag like his hero. And he achieved his goal, now he is the Greatest Scumbag.   

[Yyubie]

Well he wanted to become a scumbag like his hero. And he achieved his goal, now he is the Greatest Scumbag. 

Yup , he wanted to be that guy he called  "The Coolest Guy Ever". And by the way i have another name for him besides Boruto's Dad , he is a "Uchiha Ass Cleaner".

[Nostradamus]

GREAT KRYPTON LOIS! IS THAT A NH/SS FAN I SEE?

Yes, yes it is what you see.

It's just someone who likes to hide behind rules.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Sigh.... gimme this kitten...or even LadyGT's version. 

I hear that!

[ThroughWithLove]

Because the actual published material actually confirms that he never did. 

 

Pre-ending published material confirms he did. Post-ending published material confirms he didn't. Retcon.

 

 

As far as I am aware it is only the databooks that suggest Naruto loves Sakura. 

 

States. Not suggests. Outright states. Multiple times. You've been shown. Multiple times.

 

 

 The explanation to what extent is within the manga, in that, it is, just a crush, and then later, platonic love. 

 

Nope. To say his feelings are platonic would mean he no longer has platonic feelings for her after the ending: "She decided to protect his dream.To pay back Naruto Who always protected her and loved her until now." Pre-retcon Naruto loved Sakura. Anyone who denies this denies facts.

 

 

This is when this panel above, is deduced not to be a promise he made not because of feelings for Sakura, but something that was important to himself. This is why he does not approach Sakura at the end, because it was never about Sakura, really, never tied into those feelings, because those feelings were never there like that. 

Non sequitur. That Naruto is wanting to bring Sasuke back for himself as opposed to his feelings for Sakura does not invalidate his feelings for Sakura, as we can plainly see in Sai's flashback. Whether you like it or not, that scene happened. And Naruto's bond with Sasuke is established clearly at the first valley of the end fight. So there was never any notion that he was going to abandon Sasuke even if Sakura told him to forget about his promise. The promise and the his bond with Sasuke are independent of each other and have always been.

 

Not that it matters. The 4th databook came out long after chapter 470 and it states in clear terms that Naruto loved Sakura until a certain point. So everything you've told us about "crushes" and "platonic" feelings is malarkey. 

 

 

This is why he does not approach Sakura at the end, because it was never about Sakura

 

Nope, we're flat out told why he can't in Sai's flashback from Naruto himself. He tells us in plain in simple terms when asked about why he won't confess "How can I when I can't even keep my promises?" This is in the manga. I thought you liked the manga. Yet here you are pretending certain parts didn't happen. Didn't you just criticize somebody for refusing to acknowledge everything post chapter 697 as canon? Truly baffling. Nevertheless, actual scenes in the manga trump your headcanon any day of the week.

 

 

I think it's silly to suggest the databooks or the Last are retconning anything, more so that, if one decisively suggests that these feelings are weak, you reveal too much of your hand too soon. The Last Databook mentions any such suggestion of love the least. There was no reason to hide anything anymore in the Last, thus we got what we got. 

 

That sounds like your idea of a 'conspiracy theory' to me. "They didn't want to reveal their hand too soon?" How do you know any of this? Not that it matters of course. Early sets of material say one thing. A later set of material says the opposite without rhyme or explanation (which is what we would get if your conspiracy theory had any merit). Say it with me: Retcon.

 

 

The fandom error in things, my belief anyway, is assuming the crush was status quo after 467. I think those who saw this was not an unchanging status, and entertained the possibility that Naruto was not seriously pursuing Sakura were more able to see the strings and how they tied themselves to fit into the end, than those who did not. 

 

As we've seen above, your belief is not based on any facts, contradicts facts and relies on deliberately disregarding unambiguous scenes in the manga.  There is zero, zero, zero confirmation of a "crush" on Naruto's part. Nowhere is that word used. Not the manga, not the databooks, not the interviews. Nada. Instead, we have the word love. Not once, but multiple times. And rather than accept this, you try and make up new words (i.e. platonic love). You're less interested in the truth than you are an agenda.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 26 September 2017 - 04:55 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Pre-ending published material confirms he did. Post-ending published material confirms he didn't. Retcon.

 

 

 

States. Not suggests. Outright states. Multiple times. You've been shown. Multiple times.

 

 

 

Nope. To say his feelings are platonic would mean he no longer has platonic feelings for her after the ending: "She decided to protect his dream.To pay back Naruto Who always protected her and loved her until now." Pre-retcon Naruto loved Sakura. Anyone who denies this denies facts.

 

 

Non sequitur. That Naruto is wanting to bring Sasuke back for himself as opposed to his feelings for Sakura does not invalidate his feelings for Sakura, as we can plainly see in Sai's flashback. Whether you like it or not, that scene happened. And Naruto's bond with Sasuke is established clearly at the first valley of the end fight. So there was never any notion that he was going to abandon Sasuke even if Sakura told him to forget about his promise. The promise and the his bond with Sasuke are independent of each other and have always been.

 

Not that it matters. The 4th databook came out long after chapter 470 and it states in clear terms that Naruto loved Sakura until a certain point. So everything you've told us about "crushes" and "platonic" feelings is malarkey. 

 

 

 

Nope, we're flat out told why he can't in Sai's flashback from Naruto himself. He tells us in plain in simple terms when asked about why he won't confess "How can I when I can't even keep my promises?" This is in the manga. I thought you liked the manga. Yet here you are pretending certain parts didn't happen. Didn't you just criticize somebody for refusing to acknowledge everything post chapter 697 as canon? Truly baffling. Nevertheless, actual scenes in the manga trump your headcanon any day of the week.

 

 

 

That sounds like your idea of a 'conspiracy theory' to me. "They didn't want to reveal their hand too soon?" How do you know any of this? Not that it matters of course. Early sets of material say one thing. A later set of material says the opposite without rhyme or explanation (which is what we would get if your conspiracy theory had any merit). Say it with me: Retcon.

 

 

 

As we've seen above, your belief is not based on any facts, contradicts facts and relies on deliberately disregarding unambiguous scenes in the manga.  There is zero, zero, zero confirmation of a "crush" on Naruto's part. Nowhere is that word used. Not the manga, not the databooks, not the interviews. Nada. Instead, we have the word love. Not once, but multiple times. And rather than accept this, you try and make up new words (i.e. platonic love). You're less interested in the truth than you are an agenda.

Nicely said, dude :)

[thelordofspace72]

What would this mean? Naruto cares about Sakura only for his rival with Sasuke. This is nonsense and an insult to Naruto that he is only a man of interests and not a good man. Naruto really loves Sakura, which is not a crush. This argument is very weak from Mr. Kishimoto.

[VanitasDS76491]

lol well I know that Einstein would scratch his head on this bad ending.

Dude Einstein and spocks head would explode trying to figure out the logic of the Naruto ending and spocks whole thing is on logic.
"Captain this pattern indicates two dimensional thinking "