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#4541 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:20 AM

Yeah...

I would like to change topic now. Lol. This one moment is really gotten out of hand. So here's one for you guys:

If all the parallels never happened, how sure would you be for NaruSaku being canon? Be honest now. happy.gif

#4542 T XD

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:29 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 20 2012, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah...

I would like to change topic now. Lol. This one moment is really gotten out of hand. So here's one for you guys:

If all the parallels never happened, how sure would you be for NaruSaku being canon? Be honest now. happy.gif

For me, the parallels always came as secondary facts for NS cause the parallels are like push ups for NS especially the ones of Minato and Kushina in it.
But i always saw the parallels as something special for NS. In general, i like the parallels but i take them as secondary for facts and evidence cause it's important to have facts for a certain pairing without using parallels, that's way it will be obvious that this pairing will happen biggrin.gif

Edited by T XD, 20 September 2012 - 07:33 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2012 - 08:56 AM

i always saw the parallels as blatant hints that NS would be cannon. honestly it keeps me more assured but I cant say how i would feel without them because that's not possible for me to know

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:07 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 20 2012, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah...

I would like to change topic now. Lol. This one moment is really gotten out of hand. So here's one for you guys:

If all the parallels never happened, how sure would you be for NaruSaku being canon? Be honest now. happy.gif


I think i would be about 10% less sure then iam now wink.gif

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 01:16 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 20 2012, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think i would be about 10% less sure then iam now wink.gif

50% less, we all know that kids/teenagers tend to be like their parents when they grow up, so it's most likely that naruto will find a girl that looks more with his mother and this is where sakura comes in, hinata has nothing to add to naruto in terms of a relationship, and it's shown so many times where the nice guys dont get paired up with the tsundere girl, we only see the good side of rin but not the other side of her, naruto's memories of sakura should be the same way, i think this time it will happen, we have jiraya, obito, yahiko failures, yahiko was almost there but he died to save his friends.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 20 2012, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you seem to believe the end justifies to means. tell me if we could solve world hunger by sacrificing 10 innocent people daily would you do it? alot of lives would be saved by doing so.

Suicides?
There a lot of people that kill themselves every day...
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#4547 Branden

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Sep 20 2012, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Suicides?
There a lot of people that kill themselves every day...

be honest, do you really know the exact average of people who kill themselves daily? im almost certain you dont

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 20 2012, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
be honest, do you really know the exact average of people who kill themselves daily? im almost certain you dont


i dont but it's more than 10 certainly.
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Posted 20 September 2012 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 20 2012, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i always saw the parallels as blatant hints that NS would be cannon. honestly it keeps me more assured but I cant say how i would feel without them because that's not possible for me to know


Same here.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 03:40 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 20 2012, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
be honest, do you really know the exact average of people who kill themselves daily? im almost certain you dont


YEAH...........This theme is really going out of topic we started by saskue being a bad guy and now we are on how many people kill them selves daily.

Not the nicest theme to talk about i think. If you want to discuss about smth like that go to a suicide forum. biggrin.gif

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 20 2012, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
YEAH...........This theme is really going out of topic we started by saskue being a bad guy and now we are on how many people kill them selves daily.

Not the nicest theme to talk about i think. If you want to discuss about smth like that go to a suicide forum. biggrin.gif

Agreed. Please keep the posts centered on NS.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 08:26 PM

Since theres no one posting anything what do you guys think about my theorie, obito getting turned good again by kakashi and then saving sakura or naruto from madaras attack (dying from his attack) and telling him somthing like do what i wasnt able to do(to look after sakura) or something like that. I coudl really imagine that something like this could happen. I mean of course sakura would hear what obito tells naruto and it would be on of the final steps till NS happens.

Whats your opinion about that.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 20 2012, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since theres no one posting anything what do you guys think about my theorie, obito getting turned good again by kakashi and then saving sakura or naruto from madaras attack (dying from his attack) and telling him somthing like do what i wasnt able to do(to look after sakura) or something like that. I coudl really imagine that something like this could happen. I mean of course sakura would hear what obito tells naruto and it would be on of the final steps till NS happens.

Whats your opinion about that.

Good moment biggrin.gif but it's not one of the final steps, though it will be an important moment for NS, cause for Obito to change in some time in the fight will be very complicated for Kishi to make it happen. I see it that way.
I think Obito will most likely turn good when he's on the verge of death and maybe it will be considered as a redemption too which depends on what the moment consists to whether it should be considered as a redemption or not.

Edited by T XD, 20 September 2012 - 09:10 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2012 - 11:07 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 20 2012, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you seem to believe the end justifies to means. tell me if we could solve world hunger by sacrificing 10 innocent people daily would you do it? alot of lives would be saved by doing so.


Euhm the difference being that those 10 people are in fact innocent while sasuke is not... ( you know wanting to exterminate an entire village and all.)

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 11:18 PM

Well it seems like nobody is hurt if there weren't any parallels.

It wouldn't affect me bad at all. I admit though, these parallels seem like the seal deal, but let's not get cocky. This is just my opinion that's all. I'm just happy that these two have developments with each other.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:36 AM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 20 2012, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
YEAH...........This theme is really going out of topic we started by saskue being a bad guy and now we are on how many people kill them selves daily.

Not the nicest theme to talk about i think. If you want to discuss about smth like that go to a suicide forum. biggrin.gif

its the principle that applies, not the actual statistic. i couldnt care less about the actual number, in fact it wasnt at all related to any comment i have ever made on this forum. the point was that he doesnt know the number.

QUOTE (tricksie @ Sep 20 2012, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agreed. Please keep the posts centered on NS.

same as previous comment

QUOTE (narusakufan122 @ Sep 20 2012, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Euhm the difference being that those 10 people are in fact innocent while sasuke is not... ( you know wanting to exterminate an entire village and all.)

its the principle sleep.gif that was just an example of the principle.

death is never the answer for anyone, all that happens is pain and wasted potential.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:09 AM

QUOTE (narusakufan122 @ Sep 20 2012, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm i'd still be quite sure of NS turning canon. We still have a lot of NS moments ( the hug, her running towards 4-tails Naruto, Yamato's unfinished sentence, Sakura crying out of concern for Naruto when she hears the jinchuuriki dies when their tailed beast is extracted,...)
Also NS just fits perfectly with the theme of the anime. You know Naruto overcoming obstacles to achieve his goals(Saving his friend, becoming hokage,getting romantically involved with his dream girl.) and never giving up on them. So it would be weird if he then just gives up on 1 of his goals. It would completely go against his nature and character.
The parallels just reinforce the theme more. Surpassing his masters, succeeding where they failed. Following in the footsteps of his parents.


narusakufan122@ please no double posting you can edit and delete the repeated post thank you. smile.gif

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:45 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 20 2012, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and how is that any different from Sakura trying to kill him? Sakura was going to kill a man who was aching in pain before Sasuke retaliated.


Aching in pain because he was trying to kill someone and again him wanting to exterminate an entire village. Context my friend context.

He's one of the bad guys. While you can feel sorry for him as he's just a kid that made 1 bad choice (joining Orochimaru) that put him on the path of revenge. There's no denying he has to be stopped. So you can't blame Sakura or anyone for that matter for trying to kill him.

Apologies for going off topic. This is my last post on the matter.


QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 20 2012, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah...

I would like to change topic now. Lol. This one moment is really gotten out of hand. So here's one for you guys:

If all the parallels never happened, how sure would you be for NaruSaku being canon? Be honest now. happy.gif



Hmm i'd still be quite sure of NS turning canon. We still have a lot of NS moments ( the hug, her running towards 4-tails Naruto, Yamato's unfinished sentence, Sakura crying out of concern for Naruto when she hears the jinchuuriki dies when their tailed beast is extracted,...)
Also NS just fits perfectly with the theme of the anime. You know Naruto overcoming obstacles to achieve his goals(Saving his friend, becoming hokage,getting romantically involved with his dream girl.) and never giving up on them. So it would be weird if he then just gives up on 1 of his goals. It would completely go against his nature and character.
The parallels just reinforce the theme more. Surpassing his masters, succeeding where they failed. Following in the footsteps of his parents.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:18 AM

I certainly don't believe the parallels "seal the deal" so to speak. While it may be easy to look at Obito/Rin or even Minato/Kushina (although I think you can compare the former easier than the latter) and think Kishi will do this and this with Naruto and Sakura since the other pairing dynamics look similar, it doesn't mean he'll make it canon because that other thing is .

Right now its easy to lose sight of this. There's been good fan service via anime and some parallels that could suggest ideas, and I feel that its making us not see that when it comes down to it, the chances of NaruSaku happening is directly controlled by their interaction in the manga. Until romance happens between Naruto and Sakura on or off the battlefield, until reinforcements arrive and we see or not see shipping moments, nothing is set in stone.

The good thing is that this won't take too long to come to pass. After the flashbacks are over in some chapters we'll be able to see for ourselves.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:39 AM

Parallels don't "seal the deal" for sure but that doesn't mean they don't count. It's a pattern. The only difference is whether or not those characters actually become couples. Minato/Kushina did, Obito/Rin and Jiraiya/Tsunade did not. But the point is they were all in similar situations with love like Naruto. That can't be ignored. and while the "future isn't set in stone" It isn't a random, nonsense, spiral either in fiction. Kishimoto can make any pairing happen, that's true but does that mean he WILL? Not unless he, for some reason doesn't care about reason anymore and makes random people with zero compatibility come together for no thought or logic other than he CAN. Does it seem like Kishimoto would do that? I would not think so. He plans before he sets anything so while we can't disregard what can happen we can't ignore everything NS has right now either. As you said The pairing will be decided by their interactions, and as far as I can tell Naruto and Sakura hasn't shown interest in anyone else thus far. And whatever Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are now at this point is shown as nothing but conflict and shame. she shows no hope of him being the same first crush she had anymore. Or love. Whatever you want to call it. the fact is She no longer has positive emotions about him.

Edited by Phantom_999, 21 September 2012 - 03:43 AM.

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