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#45541 ramenanmitsu

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:10 AM

@ramenanmitsu:
 
SK didn't happen because in Kishi's mind you can't have Sakura be a strong, independent woman who's single or even let Sakura pine hopelessly for Sasuke with him not reciprocating it forever because moving on would make her "a terrible woman".
 
Even the latter would've been a more realistic ending than what we got, putting Sakura in a pathetic light aside.

THat still doesn't answer the question though. Kishi could've left Sakura as a pathetic and weak woman regardless of SS happening or not.

I think it's because Kishi or the SP cannot have Sasuke and Karin have children. If Sasuke and Karin had a child with the Uzumaki power and the Uchiha powers, the kid would be too strong and therefore the NH kids will be outshined. If Kishi or SP had some small mentality of part one, they would use it as an advantage to make Boruto the underdog who will overcome the Uchiha genius. But that goes against the theme of part two manga and the movie, where power is all about destiny and bloodlines. So if a more powerful character is potentially there, they'll have to erase their existence. Not to mention, they cannot have a NH kid be outshined.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:11 AM

Naruto and Hinata are really having another kid. I thought that was just a rumor?

 is it confirmed? 


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:12 AM

 is it confirmed? 


I don't know, which is why I'm asking

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:13 AM

I don't know, which is why I'm asking

As far I know, it's not. We are ust speculating of what would happen or how could happen if it were the case.


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:15 AM

THat still doesn't answer the question though. Kishi could've left Sakura as a pathetic and weak woman regardless of SS happening or not.

I think it's because Kishi or the SP cannot have Sasuke and Karin have children. If Sasuke and Karin had a child with the Uzumaki power and the Uchiha powers, the kid would be too strong and therefore the NH kids will be outshined. If Kishi or SP had some small mentality of part one, they would use it as an advantage to make Boruto the underdog who will overcome the Uchiha genius. But that goes against the theme of part two manga and the movie, where power is all about destiny and bloodlines. So if a more powerful character is potentially there, they'll have to erase their existence. Not to mention, they cannot have a NH kid be outshined.

 

I know whatcha mean, Ramen, man. It's kittening pathetic. So why not do it with Naruto and Sakura's kid by making them canon? There's that stupid hypocrisy on both ends, which is ridiculous!



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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:23 AM

THat still doesn't answer the question though. Kishi could've left Sakura as a pathetic and weak woman regardless of SS happening or not.

I think it's because Kishi or the SP cannot have Sasuke and Karin have children. If Sasuke and Karin had a child with the Uzumaki power and the Uchiha powers, the kid would be too strong and therefore the NH kids will be outshined. If Kishi or SP had some small mentality of part one, they would use it as an advantage to make Boruto the underdog who will overcome the Uchiha genius. But that goes against the theme of part two manga and the movie, where power is all about destiny and bloodlines. So if a more powerful character is potentially there, they'll have to erase their existence. Not to mention, they cannot have a NH kid be outshined.

1. SS is the most popular hetero-couple in Japan if I'm not wrong.
2. SS effectively removes Sakura from NH's Road To Canon.
3.It deals with Sasuke as Naruto's no longer Sasuke's strongest connection to team 7 and Konoha.
4.Sakura is not an Uzumaki.So an SS kid still remains dominantly an Uchiha.I'm thinking Kishimoney is trying to reboot the series with the same SNS dynamics as there were in part one.Thus no Byakugan for Bolt.He still remains formost an Uzumaki.
All in all imo SS is the WORST case of pair the spares I've ever seen.

Edited by TheBestUsernameEver, 03 January 2015 - 09:24 AM.


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:25 AM

If anything, the fact everyone gets paired up and show nothing else is a sign of bad note. I don't remember this series is about partner up. It just seems so out of place. Like no one else have different goal? What? Is this a payback to all school life genre for not concluding love story? This screams SP. But that's not my concern.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:29 AM

If anything, the fact everyone gets paired up and show nothing else is a sign of bad note. I don't remember this series is about partner up. It just seems so out of place. Like no one else have different goal? What? Is this a payback to all school life genre for not concluding love story? This screams SP. But that's not my concern.

Thankfully Kakashi was spared from being pointlessly paired up. One of the few characters I don't hate with a passion now.


 


#45549 ramenanmitsu

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:33 AM

Well according to The Last wikia Hinata never gains the Tensiegan.It gets destroyed when Hinata retrieves Hanabi's eyes.

Wait till you see the Boruto movie.

1. SS is the most popular hetero-couple in Japan if I'm not wrong.
2. SS effectively removes Sakura from NH's Road To Canon.
3.It deals with Sasuke as Naruto's no longer Sasuke's strongest connection to team 7 and Konoha.
4.Sakura is not an Uzumaki.So an SS kid still remains dominantly an Uchiha.I'm thinking Kishimoney is trying to reboot the series with the same SNS dynamics as there were in part one.Thus no Byakugan for Bolt.He still remains formost an Uzumaki.
All in all imo SS is the WORST case of pair the spares I've ever seen.

1. Okay. This I agree.
2. The thing is they didn't need SS for NH to become canon. NH happened from a genjutsu and asspull setting of the past. Sakura could have stayed single, become a lesbian, marry Kisame and the plot of the movie still won't change.
3. But Sasuke doesn't need a strong connection to Konoha because he's almost never there.
4. Even if Sasuke married Karin, the kid can still gain the Sharingan and have a few traits of the Uzumaki clan. Or like you said, they could have done the same thing with Boruto and give Sasuke's kid only Sasuke features including power.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:37 AM

Kishi really thought he was being so clever with his little twist ending. I hopw it was worth it, because it seems like it has cost him a large portion of his fanbase.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:38 AM

Kishi really thought he was being clever with his little twist ending. I hopw it was worth it, because it seems like it hascost him a large portion of his fanbase.

Except the majority of the western fandom will still support his work through piracy.


 


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:40 AM

Except the majority of the western fandom will still support his work through piracy.


But they wont give him money and that's all that matters.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:42 AM

But they wont give him money and that's all that matters.

I know, but it's sad that anyone would still have the slightest amount of respect for him and his work.


 


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:47 AM

Since there are fake interviews going around let me give you guys some tips on how to distinguish them.
1. The Japanese text is the exact replica when you translate the English 'translation' text on google translate.
2. Kishimoto ALWAYS laughs when he says something atrocious. You will see this mark (笑)
3. When asked about NH, he will talk about NS.

Please keep aware of this and stop spreading fake interviews around.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 January 2015 - 09:54 AM.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:57 AM

Wait till you see the Boruto movie.

1. Okay. This I agree.
2. The thing is they didn't need SS for NH to become canon. NH happened from a genjutsu and asspull setting of the past. Sakura could have stayed single, become a lesbian, marry Kisame and the plot of the movie still won't change.
3. But Sasuke doesn't need a strong connection to Konoha because he's almost never there.
4. Even if Sasuke married Karin, the kid can still gain the Sharingan and have a few traits of the Uzumaki clan. Or like you said, they could have done the same thing with Boruto and give Sasuke's kid only Sasuke features including power.

2. Yes even though SS wasn't the catalyst for NH it still helps in the idea of girls always staying true to their first love. Had Sakura moved on from Sasuke to somebody else it would make Sakura's praise of Hinata in the movie ring hollow.Who is Sakura to advocate Hinata's childhood obsession if she herself isn't doing the same? Moreover it would imo present Naruto in a bad light. Sakura moves on from Sasuke and comes to love somebody else but not the Hero?
Also I think it was easier for Kishimoney to simply have Sasuke come to love Sakura because he's just been that fickle ever since LOI.
3. Yes but the point is Sasuke's effectively no longer an obstacle in Naruto's love life. Naruto wouldn't confess to Sakura because he couldn't bring back Sasuke. It doesn't matter if Sasuke isn't back in Konoha for long durations.Sasuke is still connected to the village this way.Thus Naruto's promise is fulfilled.Hence Sasuke's line-I'll see
you when I get back was directed at Sakura.
4. That leaves Sakura single.Unnaceptable to Kishimoney-need more kids. Karin is also a connection to his past life.His crimes.Thus the line- you have nothing to do with my sins. Also an SS kid being the kid of the most popular hetero-pair with the two main characters for parents would be better received.

Edited by TheBestUsernameEver, 03 January 2015 - 10:07 AM.


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 10:04 AM

2. Yes even though SS wasn't the catalyst for NH it still helps in the idea of girls always staying true to their first love. Had Sakura moved on from Sasuke to somebody else it would make Sakura's praise of Hinata in the movie ring hollow.Who is Sakura to advocate Hinata's childhood obsession if she herself isn't doing the same? Moreover it would imo present Naruto in a bad light. Sakura moves on from Sasuke and comes to love somebody else but not the Hero?
Also I think it was easier for Kishimoney to simply have Sasuke come to love Sakura because he's just been that fickle ever since LOI.
3. Yes but the point is Sasuke's effectively no longer an obstacle in Naruto's love life. Naruto wouldn't confess to Sakura because he couldn't bring back Sasuke. It doesn't matter if Sasuke isn't back in Konoha for long durations.Sasuke is still connected to the village this way.Thus Naruto's promise is fulfilled.Hence Sasuke's line-I'll see
you when I get back was directed at Sakura.
4. That leaves Sakura single.Unnaceptable to Kishimoney-need more kids. Karin is also a connection to his past life.His crimes.Thus the line- you have nothing to do with my sins. Also an SS kid being the kid of the most popular hetero-pair with the twk main characters for parents would be better received.

2. Ah I see. You're right.
3. True. But Naruto keeping his promise had no signifying development or meaning to the end chapters and the movie. So, I don't really see the necessity of keeping Sasuke connected to the village.
4. But I would think that SP would NOT want an SS kid being in the same generation as their NH kid. Because an SS kid would trump in popularity compared to the NH kid. Salad is a girl, yet she still has more popularity than Boruto at this point. It would have been better if it were a SK kid. SK isn't popular so her kid wouldn't be as popular as a SS kid would be.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 10:05 AM

I know, but it's sad that anyone would still have the slightest amount of respect for him and his work.

I know how you feel. I'm still unsure if I should continue to follow the anime. For now I've decided to do so, but I have a sneaking suspicion that my interest will eventually fade on it's own.

No matter what, I am certain that I will never support this franchise financially ever again.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 10:11 AM

It doesn't make sense. But it's canon. Unless Kishi comes out and say that it was Hinata's genjutsu, which would actually make more sense. This movie is different to the anime filler because it took place as chapter 699.5 and the author confirmed it.


The reason for why the film is inapplicable to the cnaon timeline is that it violates Naruto's established inability to use clones at the beginning of the manga. Readers are lead to believe that Naruto was a dimwitted underdog who began with nothing but the clothes on his back and a fiery will to change himself. What The Last tries to do is subvert his first actual accomplishment by retroactively writing that Naruto was able to use clones from early childhood when he apparently already had an established connection to Hinata when in the manga his knowledge of her was limited to his perception that she was awkward and quiet.

The crap from this film is not coincident with the manga. It spits in the face of what was established because Pierrot can't separate their hormones from their wretched skulls. When events from the film are contradictory to the manga, the order of importance dictates that the manga's explanation comes first, regardless of Pierrot's petty attempt at claiming their anime is important to the story Kishi established.
 

Yes, and that was shown with how they advertised the movie and their numerous frauds hiding that this is an NH movie. Only revealing the movie to be focused on NH AFTER people bought the tickets.

If they had this so-called researchers don't you think they would have known that Hinata has the biggest number of hate threads regardless of her being a side character? Especially, they should've known that a lot of Hinata hate comes from SP's over glorifying of Hinata. No, they don't know or they do but don't care.


Resentment felt towards Hinata only escalated into a raging wildefire once the actual contents of the film were revealed and people came back from the theatres realising that they had been duped by false advertisement. General opinion seemed fairly modest before the 24th of November and 6th of December came around. In fact, from your own account, it seems that most people were more interested in vilifying Sakura for her lack of acknowledgement towards Naruto in the last two chapters.

The supicious placement of Hinata in the promotional content may have caught the eyes of the Japanese fandom, but how many of them could have anticipated that it was to be her role to butcher the sanctity of the characters we know for her own benefit? It was assumed that her role would be greater since Toneri was established as a villain interested in the Hyuga - not that "Hyuga" would mean Hinata alone while her emptyheaded pining for Naruto takes centre stage.
 

They knew Neji was a popular character and people felt sympathy for him. Yet that didn't stop them from creating interviews saying he only died as a Cupid or writing blogs that Neji sexually harassed Hinata and only wanted to touch her boobs. They brought opposite effects. What did they do? Create more :zaru:


Words coming from the studio that is already reaping the benefits from their underhanded tactics. If the backlash is severe enough, they may just distance themselves from the comments given by two men to preserve whatever dignity they have left before it's destroyed in their next scheme, after which they will attempt to protect themselves again and the cycle will go on for the 12 movies that are rumoured to be in development.

Frankly, I never cared for Neji myself. To me he was just a Hyuga equivalent to the Sasuke archetype with an added quirk of being a loyalist dog to Konoha who thought he and his clan were better than they actually are (this is prior to the bastardisation that takes place in The Last). Neji's legitimacy as an important player in the game dried up sometime at the end of Part 1.

You'll have to forgive me because I don't recall Neji's face being in the last popularity cover that Kishi drew. It could just be a memory lapse brought on by my utter contempt for Kishi and Naruto though.
 

You give too much credit to these guys. You can see that the more the fans oppose the more they feel the need to force-feed us to convince us how the movie and the ending was 'great'. If they were smart, they would realize that force-feeding gives an opposite effect. They're not, and thats the problem. You can see this by how they delete one-star reviews and create five-star reviews in it's place that only contain words of FANTASTIC, GREAT, BEST MOVIE EVER!


The fact that they feel it important enough to go out of their way to bribe for fradulent reviews and automated machines is a clear indicator for all of this negative reception actually having an effect on them. It's perceived as a threat to the benefit of their film. While that may not be the sort of consideration from Pierrot that most of us are hoping for, it's a sign that they are able to recognise us.
 

If they wanted to keep the fan population they wouldn't have done fraud to fans who loved this manga for years. If they wanted to keep the fans they wouldn't even make Boruto the main character. No they don't understand the fans. They will use the same tactic again and again,
 
How you think they would make a logical choice baffles me when everything they've done so far is illogical and irrational to the highest caliber.


This is only a thought, but I believe that it's going to take more than just a 2 or 3 second cut of Sasuke to pique the curiousity of fans. If the rumours about Sasuke being the sensei of the Hinata spawn are somehow proven accurate, that may be enough for a percentage of the disenfranchised to reconsider their stance on not watching it.

With a newly reformed Sasuke taking up the mantle of sensei, some might even begin to see him as being a combination of his old personality with the responsibilities, grit, and intelligence of a teacher like Kakashi who he was once likened to. Two popular characters in one!

Such an event wouldn't earn back everyone, of course, but it may just be enough to salvage the studio's reputation if they feed the Sasuke fans (and by extension, Kakashi fans) what they want.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 10:15 AM

Since there are fake interviews going around let me give you guys some tips on how to distinguish them.
1. The Japanese text is the exact replica when you translate the English 'translation' text on google translate.
2. Kishimoto ALWAYS laughs when he says something atrocious. You will see this mark (笑)
3. When asked about NH, he will talk about NS.

Please keep aware of this and stop spreading fake interviews around.

 

 

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 10:30 AM

I tried to sleep but failed :zaru:

 

 

 

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