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[ThroughWithLove]

From a Stroywriting standpoint it also affected anything in a negative way. 

Making Sakura be a obsessed Fangirl around Sasuke just puts her in a bad light. It would be okey at the beginning, and then to develop her out of that death zone.. but Kishimoto didn't.

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He kind of did . . .

 

 

 

Then he changed his mind sometime after the Pain arc from the looks of it.

[LuckyChi7]

 

 

He kind of did . . .

 

 

 

Then he changed his mind sometime after the Pain arc from the looks of it.

 

 

Which databook was that from? 

[Illnevergiveup3]

not to mention that Kishimoto HIMSELF made the date of April the 3rd being the date that Naruto fell in love with Sakura-Chan, the creator has stated that Naruto loves her OVER AND OVER again. It's indisputable.

[Kagomaru]

 

 

He kind of did . . .

 

 

 

Then he changed his mind sometime after the Pain arc from the looks of it.

Sometimes, I wonder at some point if Sasuke deliberately became a literary inversion device to the progression of Naruto and Sakura's character development because whenever he is mentioned or reintroduced to the plot,  Sakura's sense of self-confidence in her strength, dedication to her duty as a ninja/medic-nin and maturity seem to buckle under and Naruto turns into a complete, emotional clod.  

Edited by Kagomaru, 22 September 2017 - 05:29 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

 

 

Which databook was that from? 

 

I believe it was from the 4th databook.

 

 

 

He kind of did . . .

 

 

 

Then he changed his mind sometime after the Pain arc from the looks of it.

 

Let's not forget about this databook entry's reinforcements:

 

[Illnevergiveup3]

 

Going to correct you: Kishimoto did not do that. 

 

 

Uhh...

 

 

yeahhh....

[Nostradamus]

The thing with Sakura and Naruto is that Kishi or more like Yahagi (That's his name, right? I ask because I remember a couple of times I wrote Yahanagi in the past lol ) really wanted to show that one should always save their friends no matter how far they're gone.

Problem was this has gotten to the extreme and beyond it, to the point of insanity. He should've had a limit to it, which unfortunately was never implemented.

It's gotten to the point in which Sasuke can do anything to anyone, and Naruto and Sakura would not only be perfectly fine with it, but also defend him. Especially true with Naruto.

[Riverkid]

 

 

This enduring love is very thematic in the manga.  

 

 

There shouldnt be 'love' in the first place, it was unjustified.

 

 

A relationship can't be unhealthy for a story

 

every element can be unhealthy within a story if its done poorly and out of the line. which happened with the relationship and the obsession
 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

How can NH has most development if Naruto literally talked to demsel in distress less than 10 times manga?

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 22 September 2017 - 05:42 PM.

[gamma]

^ Fanfiction, easy.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

Oh yeah, Naruto totally never loved Sakura.

[LuckyChi7]

 

Oh yeah, Naruto totally never loved Sakura.

 

 

It even says the same thing about Karin to Sasuke...

 

yet he wants us to believe that was a red herring too yeah right. 

[Nostradamus]

Those are just databooks and guidelines, they can't be taken seriously. They're meant to fool the readers.

Only statements from the author after the ending are true.

 

 

 

 

/s

Edited by Nostradamus, 22 September 2017 - 06:03 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

Those are just databooks and guidelines, they can't be taken seriously. They're meant to fool the readers.

Only statements from the author after the ending are true.

 

 

 

 

/s

 

 

I see what you did there! 

[Illnevergiveup3]

 

That's Jump, not Kishimoto though. That's why I sent the correction. 

 

 

 

 

lol, so where did Jump get the date from? Their ass like Kishi's ending? No. Kishimoto obviously supplied them with the date for them to put it on the calendar.

 

 

 

 

Well, these were both crushes. That is really the extent of it. I wouldn't say SK is a Red Herring though, more that, it was never really a thing. NS at least had a chance. 

 

LOL! HAHAHA. So even though Kishimoto himself wrote that Naruto loves Sakura-Chan and Karin loves Sasuke in the databook and it's right in your face, you're STILL trying to dismiss them as crushes? No disrespect, but just get out.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

Not even touching the problem with that number, it's what happened in those "ten times". Because simply, it developed from point A to point B, with the difference between the two of great magnitude. 

 

Development does not rely on quantity to shift and morph and change and evolve. Saying hi to the same person three hundred and sixty five days of the year is not going to produce as developed as a relationship as meaningful realizations and conversations would just twelve times in that same year. 

Naruto's pov of Hinata never changer from chuunin exam. 

[ThroughWithLove]

Only statements from the author after the ending are true.

 

Unless they evenly remote suggest NS in any favorable light whatsoever, in which case they are just humor or bad diction, thus not to be taken seriously. And if you don't agree with that, you're a conspiracy theorist.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

This is actually objectively false, well revealed in those later "ten" talks.

Less than 10 and not even close to revealed.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

See, the first can't be supplied, and even if it could...it doesn't really have bearing on the manga itself.

 

That sounds like an opinion as opposed to a counter-argument. You told us there was no indication that Naruto loved Sakura. You were presented with proof from the databooks. Databooks are canon. What's the world's longest river?

 

 

 

Conspiracy Theorist is actually very specifically used on insinuating that the company intervened, or something changed what was "supposed" to happen, when nothing can really source something else was "supposed" to happen, or that this great overthrow even occurred.

 

Sure it can. You simply reject the sources and rationales given. In other words, you have a different opinion. Maybe if we were suggesting the moon landing was fake and 9/11 didn't happen, you'd have a point, but executive meddling and lying is pretty common in this industry (and every industry where promotion is everything), so it's not a stretch.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 22 September 2017 - 07:34 PM.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

1: Except the Manga establishes what the parameters of that love is, which is a crush. 

 

Oh yeah? Chapter and page please. I wanna know exactly where this is stated. I also want to know why you insist on ignoring canonical material.

 

 

 

2: Except it is a stretch. We are presented with facts that counter-act this . . .

 

I'm aware of no such facts. What I am aware of is you trying to alter the definition of unambiguous terms the author has used in an effort to conclude that he hasn't repeatedly contradicted himself in pre and post-series interviews. I'm also aware of you outright ignoring canonical material, as we see in your response just now. Therefore, the stretch, if any, is your "arguments." 

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 22 September 2017 - 08:04 PM.