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[FreakySandra1995]

You made that video ?

 

What do you know, it's a really small world XD

I made a lots of videos like that at that time   That's just the only one I uploaded on Youtube because somebody requested so :)

 

Yeah, it really is

[Psychox]

I made a lots of videos like that at that time   That's just the only one I uploaded on Youtube because somebody requested so :)

 

Yeah, it really is

 

lol , nice you are my new best friend .. :)

[FreakySandra1995]

 

lol , nice you are my new best friend .. :)

Yaaay, new friends! :) 

[Inferno180]

 

That sounds way off , its good to like the pairing ,support it and stuff like that , but demanding for a pandering is saying that , you can put to characters together without leting them spend time together developing that relationship.. In Hinata's case that girl has supproted you , you should love her . It just does not work that way , the characters were given emotions , so saying you should skip them like they were nothing.. Nah sounds rediculous if you ask me..

 

 

I never shipped anything in Avatar but I knew of the pairing war. Zutara fans however did have a reason for their pairing, they said it was the originally planned one, that it was going to happen because the creators were planning it out. This was the original intent but the creators changed it to Aang and Katara because they didn't want Aang to do all this stuff just as a kid and then get nothing happy out of it. Many thought Zuko and Mai was a joke or red herring but it came as well. The closest Zutara came to even getting a build off was near the end of season 2. The orginal plan following a zutara path was to defeat Azula at the end of season 2 and for Zuko to go good at that point but they figured, not really as exciting when you can have the entire world near lost and Zuko getting development from what he always wanted rather than just making him realize his wrongdoing all at once. Ep 40-50 for Zuko were learning about his wrong doing, the past reasons for the war, and his fate that could change it all.

 

I've said many times to NH and SS fans to heed the warnings of what happened to Zutara, despite it being the most popular, it did not happen and it was also concepted but one of the creators, Byran I think it was, plainly said they tried, they experimented but nothing came out to the story they wanted with Zuko and Katara. Ultimately he came to hate it, this pairing was literally grinded into the ground with not one simple mockery comment of it (in the ember island players episode), it was made fun of the summer following the finale in 2008, the SDCC in 08 or so had a short fanart gag movie about the pairing stuff, it was funny but thats was it, they chose Aang and Katara for that reason. Not to mention Aang and Katara allowed Korra to happen.

 

But for all intents and purposes, this is why NH and SS fans should beware the past, the fate of Zutara can definately apply in these reasons:

1. Zutara was the most popular like SS and NH (depending on the location for Naruto though SS or NH is more popular)

2. Zutara was the orginal concepted pairing but did not happen this way, the same way many NH fans claim Hinata was intended to be with team 7, well its just that concepts, concepts do not always make it in the final product. At some point Kishi may have intended NH but may just as well decided to focus on NS as the end one.

3. Zutara had a bad boy good girl setup like SS but it never had a lasting positive relation. Zutara began on hostilities, SS was neutral at first but then just kept going down, hardly any positive things exist for it.

 

These I feel are the reasons why they must beware, normally I don't compare other series for any evidence but all I do with this one is simple, these Zutara fans followed many of the same beliefs NH and SS are following today, Naruto and Avatar are different series but the same fandom rules apply, its not going to happen merely because you want it, the story practically needs to allow it and it needs to be reasonable. SS currently is near sinking and NH is in limbo but still highly lagging behind NS. 631 only gave a much bigger possibility to the end of Naruto having a NS relation. Nowadays zutara fans are just spending their time arguing why their pairing should have happened. If anything this could be the future for NH and SS if they don't take caution now.

[Psychox]

 

 

I never shipped anything in Avatar but I knew of the pairing war. Zutara fans however did have a reason for their pairing, they said it was the originally planned one, that it was going to happen because the creators were planning it out. This was the original intent but the creators changed it to Aang and Katara because they didn't want Aang to do all this stuff just as a kid and then get nothing happy out of it. Many thought Zuko and Mai was a joke or red herring but it came as well. The closest Zutara came to even getting a build off was near the end of season 2. The orginal plan following a zutara path was to defeat Azula at the end of season 2 and for Zuko to go good at that point but they figured, not really as exciting when you can have the entire world near lost and Zuko getting development from what he always wanted rather than just making him realize his wrongdoing all at once. Ep 40-50 for Zuko were learning about his wrong doing, the past reasons for the war, and his fate that could change it all.

 

I've said many times to NH and SS fans to heed the warnings of what happened to Zutara, despite it being the most popular, it did not happen and it was also concepted but one of the creators, Byran I think it was, plainly said they tried, they experimented but nothing came out to the story they wanted with Zuko and Katara. Ultimately he came to hate it, this pairing was literally grinded into the ground with not one simple mockery comment of it (in the ember island players episode), it was made fun of the summer following the finale in 2008, the SDCC in 08 or so had a short fanart gag movie about the pairing stuff, it was funny but thats was it, they chose Aang and Katara for that reason. Not to mention Aang and Katara allowed Korra to happen.

 

But for all intents and purposes, this is why NH and SS fans should beware the past, the fate of Zutara can definately apply in these reasons:

1. Zutara was the most popular like SS and NH (depending on the location for Naruto though SS or NH is more popular)

2. Zutara was the orginal concepted pairing but did not happen this way, the same way many NH fans claim Hinata was intended to be with team 7, well its just that concepts, concepts do not always make it in the final product. At some point Kishi may have intended NH but may just as well decided to focus on NS as the end one.

3. Zutara had a bad boy good girl setup like SS but it never had a lasting positive relation. Zutara began on hostilities, SS was neutral at first but then just kept going down, hardly any positive things exist for it.

 

These I feel are the reasons why they must beware, normally I don't compare other series for any evidence but all I do with this one is simple, these Zutara fans followed many of the same beliefs NH and SS are following today, Naruto and Avatar are different series but the same fandom rules apply, its not going to happen merely because you want it, the story practically needs to allow it and it needs to be reasonable. SS currently is near sinking and NH is in limbo but still highly lagging behind NS. 631 only gave a much bigger possibility to the end of Naruto having a NS relation. Nowadays zutara fans are just spending their time arguing why their pairing should have happened. If anything this could be the future for NH and SS if they don't take caution now.

 

 

I see, well what is your interpretation of the sketches of Hinata with background Naruto and Sakura holding an uchiha  fan.. Were those the original pairings to begin with?

[Inferno180]

 

 

I see, well what is your interpretation of the sketches of Hinata with background Naruto and Sakura holding an uchiha  fan.. Were those the original pairings to begin with?

 

Show me the picture? Never heard of this.

Edited by Inferno180, 27 July 2013 - 06:44 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
 
I see, well what is your interpretation of the sketches of Hinata with background Naruto and Sakura holding an uchiha  fan.. Were those the original pairings to begin with?

Hinata sketch is the old sketch that Kishi has drawn a long time ago. She was originally supposed to be a citizen, that's it.

Sakura with a fan, not sure what are you talking about. I can't find it, so I can't really say. I got no comment about it, but I wouldn't look hard to it. The funny thing is that Kishi said he wants to do romance for part 2. That said what was all that in part 1 then? That would mean the seriousness began in part 2, which is NS.

[Psychox]

 

 

 

 

Those two.

[Psychox]

Hinata sketch is the old sketch that Kishi has drawn a long time ago. She was originally supposed to be a citizen, that's it.

Sakura with a fan, not sure what are you talking about. I can't find it, so I can't really say. I got no comment about it, but I wouldn't look hard to it. The funny thing is that Kishi said he wants to do romance for part 2. That said what was all that in part 1 then? That would mean the seriousness began in part 2, which is NS.

 

Well yeah ive heard of it too , i mean ive seen panels with SAkura holding Sasuke's hands interlocked yada yada .. she filled his lonely excistence.. ( which i think was naruto but that is less important)

 

 I never saw romance in part 1 , it looked so forced on SAkura's side -.- not being biased at all i think

[TouKen4Life3g]

First one is not Uchiha. It's just a symbol, a shuriken no less. It's a way to say, "Yeah, this is ninja theme." In short, don't think deep.

The second one, I already explained.

[Psychox]

First one is not Uchiha. It's just a symbol, a shuriken no less. It's a way to say, "Yeah, this is ninja theme." In short, don't think deep.

The second one, I already explained.

 

 

Well some fans think that this Shuriken was on the Uchiha police force building and therefore it must mean SS canon.. Same goes for Nh ..

 

And in japanese uchiha means a fan or what not..

 

Wait , that is what that guy said:

 

 

 

 

 

She’s holding a fan… What does Uchiha mean? Fan. Who does Sakura like? Sasuke, an Uchiha.

And then there’s the Beach in the background & Sakura’s cherry blossom-patterned Clothing. That holds some significance also.

In shintoism, which the Uchiha have many connections to (Much like with Byakugan & Taoism and Rinnegan & Buddhism), Sasuke is represented by the god Ninigi, the grandson of Amaterasu.

Guess what? Ninigi finds and marries his wife, the goddess of cherry blossoms, on a beach.

Now, on to Hinata’s sketch, which was drawn in 1998, kishimoto's own character, which was NOT suggested by an editor.

Firstly, I’d like to say that this sketch of Hinata was drawn before Sakura & Sasuke were even created. Keep that in mind.

So, what’s in the image anyways? Well, Hinata is standing there, she’s looking shy like she usually does. But looking at the background, we see Naruto, staring at the Sun, which also has a spiral pattern on it. Hinata’s name (along with “Hyuga") means ”Place in the Sun’ or “Towards the Sun" ’ and this image depicts that meaning very well. We can also see Hinata wearing a necklace, which has a spiral pattern to it too, the same as the Uzumaki’s (and Naruto’s).

And she’s ALSO wearing rings….Wedding and Engagement rings maybe? ^_^

 

 

It does not make any sence , cuz its sounds like fanfiction .

But you guys tell me , im a little slow as i explained .

Edited by Psychox, 27 July 2013 - 07:02 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
 
Well some fans think that this Shuriken was on the Uchiha police force building and therefore it must mean SS canon.. Same goes for Nh

This is thinking deep. I would agree IF she has the Uchiha symbol because it's missing that. It needs that to represent Uchiha, no matter what. Thinking deep is going within without true verification. Trust me.

Btw, pointing to your last post, lonely existence translation was altered to make full fledge SS rather than friendly term. Holding hand didn't happen unless you're mistaking that video with hand grabbing, which is fan made. So yeah...anything else? ;)

[Psychox]

 

 

Talking about this

 

 

Wait do you mean that the lonely existence was altered ?

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
 
Talking about this
 
 
Wait do you mean that the lonely existence was altered ?

Not sure when that happened but judging by the arm, definitely Chuunin exam. I think that's when Sasuke knocks her hand down and tell her to back off. Feel free to correct me. That said you know how can you tell NS was meant to be if chapter 3 wasn't convincing? Naruto vs. Gaara: the beginning to the end and the aftermath. Think over it and see why NS was always in plan until otherwise.

Tell you what, I will link you a really great post on SS though it has SK but you can choose to ignore it. However, I do advise you to read it still not because I want you to be an SK fan but it does show a contrast between never meant to be pairing and potential pairing. It does nod on NS as well. I'll find it ASAP.

And yes, it was altered by SS fans. No joke.

[HauntedCake]

 

 

Talking about this

 

 

Wait do you mean that the lonely existence was altered ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those two.

 

Ok so that fan has the uchiha police symbol on it?

 

 

This one?

 

And wheres that handholding panel from?

 

Most of all when were these covers created what chapters?

 

Ugh, i hate when people bring up "evidence" created like 10 years ago.. during part 1 when sakura's obsession controlled her

[Psychox]

Not sure when that happened but judging by the arm, definitely Chuunin exam. I think that's when Sasuke knocks her hand down and tell her to back off. Feel free to correct me. That said you know how can you tell NS was meant to be if chapter 3 wasn't convincing? Naruto vs. Gaara: the beginning to the end and the aftermath. Think over it and see why NS was always in plan until otherwise.

Tell you what, I will link you a really great post on SS though it has SK but you can choose to ignore it. However, I do advise you to read it still not because I want you to be an SK fan but it does show a contrast between never meant to be pairing and potential pairing. It does nod on NS as well. I'll find it ASAP.

And yes, it was altered by SS fans. No joke.

 

Yes, the  chuunin exam after he got the cursed mark , the second is knocking her hand down and you are right.

Yep , it was pretty convicing gaara fight included ^^.

 

Yeah , i'd like to see it.

 

@haunted cake chuunin exam

Edited by Psychox, 27 July 2013 - 07:34 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
 
Ok so that fan has the uchiha police symbol on it?
 

 
This one?
 
And wheres that handholding panel from?
 
Most of all when were these covers created what chapters?
 
Ugh, i hate when people bring up "evidence" created like 10 years ago.. during part 1 when sakura's obsession controlled her

Don't worry, I got this. This is another thinking deep without actual proof case. In other words, don't worry. It's not a valid point at all. Honestly, at this point, NS got all the reasons to make the logical sense.

 
Yes, the  chuunin exam after he got the cursed mark , the second is knocking her hand down and you are right.
Yep , it was pretty convicing gaara fight included ^^.
 
Yeah , i'd like to see it.
 
@haunted cake chuunin exam

It's not even about the fight, it's how it's presented. Ask yourself: is Sakura knowing Naruto saved her a necessary moment, let alone done in flashback?

About the translation, I don't have it. Many people here knows about it though. Sorry that I couldn't help you there. Honestly, it's true the alternation. So far, I'm in the zone!

[Psychox]

Don't worry, I got this. This is another thinking deep without actual proof case. In other words, don't worry. It's not a valid point at all. Honestly, at this point, NS got all the reasons to make the logical sense.

It's not even about the fight, it's how it's presented. Ask yourself: is Sakura knowing Naruto saved her a necessary moment, let alone done in flashback?

About the translation, I don't have it. Many people here knows about it though. Sorry that I couldn't help you there. Honestly, it's true the alternation. So far, I'm in the zone!

 

 

It shows that he does not wanna take credit for it , or to profess his love after that , he was glad she was alive and aokay. Expressed selfless love to no end he didnt stop attaccking till gaara's sand disappeard, honesly i began licking NS at that point a lot , after the POAL it grew too ^^>

 

Meh, no worries ^^ its cool.

Edited by Psychox, 27 July 2013 - 07:44 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
 
It shows that he does not wanna take credit for it , or to profess his love after that , he was glad she was alive and aokay. Expressed selfless love to no end he didnt stop attaccking till gaara's sand disappeard, honesly i began licking NS at that point a lot , after the POAL it grew too ^^>

Right. Which begs the question, is it truly necessary to the plot? No. So why show it? Because it's a character development. A development to grow closer to Naruto. Ever notice that unique smile hardly appears, only when Naruto comfort her, indirectly and directly. i mean Kishi did it on purpose to have Sakura sad on balcony, to remember a flashback in which Naruto comfort her, which resulted her to smile. Why in that format? You know why. End of part 1 shows their relationship as a close bond. End of part 2, knowing it's continuing their bond, I see love at sight.

[Psychox]

Right. Which begs the question, is it truly necessary to the plot? No. So why show it? Because it's a character development. A development to grow closer to Naruto. Ever notice that unique smile hardly appears, only when Naruto comfort her, indirectly and directly. i mean Kishi did it on purpose to have Sakura sad on balcony, to remember a flashback in which Naruto comfort her, which resulted her to smile. Why in that format? You know why. End of part 1 shows their relationship as a close bond. End of part 2, knowing it's continuing their bond, I see love at sight.

 
Yeah i know what you mean , ive never seen her givin SAsuke those looks:
 
 

 

or that. 

 

 

So, yeah its pretty obvious who she loves , but then again why did kishi made 540 i still kind of ambigious many fans say that is her conformation of her love and she didnt tought of Naruto at all and such , but knowing kishi he will work it out.. :)