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[ramenanmitsu]

Both Naruto and Sakura was kittented on in the end both of their characters were made pathetic so opposite if what they were and all the development rectoned  . Neither of their actions was good or made sens in the long run and by the manga .
 
In the end Kishimoto f**cked them up so bad  so I ask the both of you  does it really matter who got the worst more or less ? So why do you guys even try to defend this kitten  logically when all the logic  was thrown out of the window  ? You both do realize both Naruto and Sakura's action contradict each other right ?  I hope you guys realize how stupid this is  and your debate is only causing a splitting in the fandom which I think is wrong .  But if you guys still think that in both of their actions you can find some ridiculous logic or justifying the whole kitten  then be my guest .
 
I did not mean to interrupt and I'm sorry  but really I'm sick of the whole  one is more sympathetic then the other   when in reality they were both trashed  by Kikitten and SP   and I've been saying this from the start  its pointless to blame them  but whatever  I guess if people don't see this.

I agree with this. I was just disagreeing that after the tremendous Sakura bashing done after chapter 699, 700, the people are complaining about the lack of bashing towards her and the unfairness of Naruto getting the bashing after the LAST. Now that it's Naruto's character being destroyed NS fans (or should I say Naruto fans?) try to overstate how bad Sakura's actions are so it will be equal to Naruto's. Because it's somehow okay to bash her alone, but it's not okay to bash him alone so they need to have Sakura also take the blame.

But now that I'm anti-big three I don't think I care anymore. NS was always about Naruto, NH was always about Hinata, and SS was always about Sakura.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 January 2015 - 04:30 AM.

[rocci]

Well Hashi wouldn't be that godly if they didn't retcon the idea of Third one being the best. Funny how one picture in the past has Minato looking damn serious and badass. Must be old artwork. But yeah...

Yeah the reincarnation is unnecessary. I mean what's the point of hamura? And what next, kaguya has sister. And sasuke is her parallel.

Well, as soon as hashi use mokuton, I know that he's stronger than hiruzen.
The creation of valley of the end is the mark of how strong he truly is.
But when it show that hashi could use super healing and sm, I get wtf?
It ridiculous even from the standard. Thus it create a question what actually kill this guy. Dude practially able to solo narutoverse.

I don't remember that hiruzen called the strongest hokage. I remember he called the professor for his knowledge of (konoha) jutsu. He's the stronger version of kakashi.

Minato design get explanation. I don't remember if it explain in interview or author note.

[Khaleesi]

I just cant accept the fact that ns wont become cannon.

It won't. Naruto and Hinata have 2 kids and Boruto's movie is in progress.

Kishimoto and SP kittented on us. That's the end, kiddo :/ They don't care about the ones who didn't like it. They will spend their lifes trying to make it more and more shiny and that's all.

[Narufan85]

I agree with this. I was just annoyed that after the tremendous Sakura bashing done after chapter 699, 700, the people are complaining about the lack of bashing towards her and the unfairness of Naruto getting the bashing after the LAST. Now that it's Naruto's character being destroyed NS fans (or should I say Naruto fans?) try to overstate how bad Sakura's actions are so it will be equal to Naruto's.
But now that I'm anti-big three I don't think I care anymore. NS was always about Naruto, NH was always about Hinata, and SS was always about Sakura.

I guess my perspective as someone who has had one of these arguments with you is why does it have to be a case of bashing either character? Why does one need to be pro-Naruto or pro-Sakura? Why does it need to be a competition to see who is worse? I think all AHK is asking is that we acknowledge that all the characters are turned to crap by the ending.

Edited by Narufan85, 03 January 2015 - 04:31 AM.

[RyohkiFan]

I didn't insert "fight" word but yes I did insert "atmosphere" word. Then there's chance you might misquote and it went to me     
 
 


What I recall that you once dropped the series then came back here. 

I did, I came back the beginning of last year since it was ending, so I caught up to be part of the cool kids but look how that turned out ps: Give Ramen a donut! It makes everything better

Directly or not its still murder attempt it doesn't make it look any better . But  here is why I always thought that SK  can work oppose to SS its bc both Sasuke and Karin are f**cked up in the head  they compliment eachother  and went trough the same kitten there is no beautiful romance in here  but a dark one  hardly appealing but it works bc they are dark and crazy . But I rather Sasuke dropes DEAD !!! or stays alone . 


 
Me takes it and goes to watch Memoirs of a Geisha  .

That was a good movie..too bad I don't remember it too much

Everybody is wrong
Not but really every single character was kittented on, some more than others. You can have nice debates(not being sarcastic) on who's was worst, but at the end of the day, Kishimoto destroyed, no, committed genocide with his manga.

You sir are fantabulous, only after me lol

[ramenanmitsu]

I guess my perspective as someone who has had one of these arguments with you is why does it have to be a case of bashing either character? Why does one need to be pro-Naruto or pro-Sakura? Why does it need to be a competition to see who is worse? I think all AHK is asking is that we acknowledge that all the characters are turned to crap by the ending.

I'm acknowledging it. Both are crap. Did I say otherwise?

I'm only disagreeing with his insistence to make them "equals".

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 January 2015 - 04:36 AM.

[Candleguy]

I always thought SK could work if it were a Bonnie and Clyde type of relationship. Karin was much more inclined to amorality than Sakura ever was, which is why I think she complimented Sasuke more despite Sauske sh**ting on both of them. Up to 698 Sasuke's concept of morality was very very flexible.

 

But the reality is if one can decipher romance from Sasuke's half of SS then you easily say he was just as in love with Karin.

Edited by Candleguy, 03 January 2015 - 04:33 AM.

[DeathGodMack]

It won't. Naruto and Hinata have 2 kids and Boruto's movie is in progress.

Kishimoto and SP kittented on us. That's the end, kiddo :/ They don't care about the ones who didn't like it. They will spend their lifes trying to make it more and more shiny and that's all.

Kish can easily do some divorce story realizing true love we were perfect for each other all along thing once his contract ends. There is a chance even though its low there still a chance.

Edited by DeathGodMack, 03 January 2015 - 04:33 AM.

[Narufan85]

I'm acknowledging it. Both are crap. Did I say otherwise?

I was only responding to your comment about AHK being pro-Naruto.

[Khaleesi]

Kish can easily do some divorce story realizing true love we were perfect for each other all along thing once his contract ends. There is a chance even though its low there still a chance.

That's commiting career suicide.

[DeathGodMack]

That's commiting career suicide.

How?

[RyohkiFan]

I agree with this. I was just disagreeing that after the tremendous Sakura bashing done after chapter 699, 700, the people are complaining about the lack of bashing towards her and the unfairness of Naruto getting the bashing after the LAST. Now that it's Naruto's character being destroyed NS fans (or should I say Naruto fans?) try to overstate how bad Sakura's actions are so it will be equal to Naruto's. Because it's somehow okay to bash her alone, but it's not okay to bash him alone so they need to have Sakura also take the blame.
But now that I'm anti-big three I don't think I care anymore. NS was always about Naruto, NH was always about Hinata, and SS was always about Sakura.

Before the ending, I felt NS was about both Naruto and Sakura but this ending changed all that :/ I agree, though Sakura has done some wrong, I feel Naruto did far worse but that's Kishi fault

[LuckyChi7]

Who told you to be modest?! Be like "that's right I am" lol Thanks for that, it must be hard dealing with the BS

 

I was playing along with the modesty part it's my way of playing the hero lol   , but standing up for our fan base with the recent BS is very true. Besides we're all in this together till the very end or after end in this case   

[AHK]

Yeah yeah, because it's understandable if Naruto goes blind after Sasuke or Obito, but it isn't when Sakura does it right? You're alright with it, that's why you're only complaining when Sakura does it right? Can you explain to me what's the difference? And stop with the "abandoning the village" nonsense because you and I both know that leaving a village temporary for a year or two with with permission does not equate to "abandoning" it. I hate that Naruto and Sakura chased after Sasuke for a guy who never cared about them. I hate SS/SK/SN. And I hate arguments that justify one after the other.

So Naruto was only depressed after a girl he didn't love? He didn't try to give up on her? Yeah, you made Naruto seem a lot more sympathetic and Sakura more demonic by undermining what Naruto did by saying he was only "depressed" when we both know that were it not for Shikamaru he would not have saved a friend in danger, and writing a long ass sentence about Sasuke's previous crimes which you really didn't do when talking about how you understood that Naruto forgave him.

Stop putting words to my mouth. I never said you were terrible. And I don't hate you either. I just believe you're a pro-Naruto and anti-Sakua from the way you use your words and arguments.

I believe I just said maybe two posts ago that I hated Naruto forgiving Sasuke, and I disliked forgiving Obito (even though I'm a Obito fan.) Had you asked me about the whole chasing after Sasuke thing, I would have straight up told you that it ruined the story for me. I hated the Sasuke obsession. The only thing, the only thing, that slightly redeemed that part of the story for me is the fact that I was under the impression that Naruto was fighting tooth and nail to bring back Sasuke because the girl Naruto loved was "in love" with Sasuke, and he wanted to see Sakura happy, so he was willing to sacrifice his feelings to do so. All of that "brothers" stuff was kitten. It doesn't matter what you call it, whether it's abandoning the village, or "leaving with permission", it still doesn't change the fact that she was willing to throw everything away for somebody who never cared about her. I hate the three pairings you mentioned as well, at least we can agree on that. 

 

Are being depressed and giving up not one in the same in this circumstance? Did he not give up because he was depressed? Did I really need to state both? As for that long ass list of crimes that I wrote for Sasuke, and how I tried understood Naruto for forgiving him, I said absolutely no such thing. Once again, I hated that Sasuke was forgiven like nothing happened. What I did say is that I disliked Obito being forgiven, and I disliked the "coolest guy" comment, but I felt that I understood what was trying to be said. Obito. Not Sasuke.

 

As for the bold, have I not called Naruto trash on multiple occasions? Have I not said that he's a scumbag that got completely wrecked for Hinata's sake? I don't understand how I can say, and maintain, that Naruto and Sakura equally became trash, but yet somehow be pro-Naruto and anti-Sakura, when I've labeled both their characters as complete and utter garbage, and given them both equal weight by saying how trash they both became. Do I need to call Naruto an kitten a couple more time in my posts or something?

[RyohkiFan]

How?

If you are gonna have hope, just be cautious, the creator can't be trusted :/

[FireFox]

I agree with this. I was just annoyed that after the tremendous Sakura bashing done after chapter 699, 700, the people are complaining about the lack of bashing towards her and the unfairness of Naruto getting the bashing after the LAST. Now that it's Naruto's character being destroyed NS fans (or should I say Naruto fans?) try to overstate how bad Sakura's actions are so it will be equal to Naruto's.

But now that I'm anti-big three I don't think I care anymore. NS was always about Naruto, NH was always about Hinata, and SS was always about Sakura.

I can understand that   but to me I don't even look at it like that bc  its ridiculous to me there is no better or worse bc both they have been ruined beyond believe so  I choose not to blame them bc they are not at fault for what was done at them  but put all my anger and frustration at Studio Clown and Kikitten .   Really you need to look no further then Kikitten sexist and ridiculous contradicting interviews to understand that Naruto and Sakura are not at fault at all bc NH/SS happened bc of pity and sexist ideals .

 

Now you know that this is were I would disagree with you  bc 99 % of us here  don't defend anyone more or less then the other but point all the rectons   and almost all of us shipped NS not bc of one character but development and mutual understanding and foreshadowing  in short it bc the story supported it  and was leading that way , but I can understand why would you think  like that from anti Big 3 POV .  One thing is true though  there is no point of caring about this kitten anymore   .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 03 January 2015 - 04:46 AM.

[Candleguy]

Kish can easily do some divorce story realizing true love we were perfect for each other all along thing once his contract ends. There is a chance even though its low there still a chance.

No chance.

 

Look how much he rewarded the girls for their loyalty....Divorce? Sakura and Hinata would commit suicide first under Kish's rule of first love

 

Plus why would you trust anything in the hands of Kishimoto?

[Popuri]

I did, I came back the beginning of last year since it was ending, so I caught up to be part of the cool kids but look how that turned out

ps: Give Ramen a donut! It makes everything better

Idk why RyokiFan suggests this but Ramen here is donut for you

 

 

@DeathGodMack

I admire your faith! But to avoid more "mislead", take it lightly. 

Edited by xpopurix, 03 January 2015 - 04:43 AM.

[RyohkiFan]

 
I was playing along with the modesty part it's my way of playing the hero lol   , but standing up for our fan base with the recent BS is very true. Besides we're all in this together till the very end or after end in this case   

Glad I came when I did I would like to ask, do you feel that the NS fandom grew after this ending?

[RyohkiFan]

Idk why RyokiFan suggests this but Ramen here is donut for you
 

Where's my strawberry with sprinkles?